What's wrong with the late stage capitalism sub

Bad parenting, or lack of medication. Something along those lines.

Ohhh man, i missed a big one.

Great sub

You must be an oncologist.

Im just one of the many of us that find late stage capitalism sad, depressing and quite evil

You know what caused it???? BIG GOVERNMENT. How do you want to fix it? ...more Government?

Bingo. Socialist are the result of talking point, virtue signaling, and hearing one side of a story or debate. The truth isn't pushed. Socialism is pushed from a one-sided perspective. It's one the reasons republicans get shunned unfairly on social media. Another attempt to hide the truth.

The truth is not somewhere in the middle. The truth is socialism is and always will be an epic failure. They push this "republicans are against progress" narrative. This too is complete bullshit. We're against progressing backwards to a failed system that is and always will be destined to fail.

Hell, just look at modern day socialist countries, such as Scandinavian countries. Highest cost of living in the world! B-but they have such a high min wage, and all this free stuff. A pair of levis is $120, a gallon of gas is $7, a value meal at McD is $12. Rent is off the fucking charts. All that money and they can't afford anything.

If that is what the sub was about, I would still be subscribed. It is just another one of the hundreds of corrosive troll subs now.

Bollocks?

It could be that people thought it was refreshing to have a post made to discuss instead of 100% stating something is a fact. But the post can really get you thinking on our current system of slavery. You get so much flak if you try to live frugally off the land instead of going and 'earning your living' at a job. Homelessness and starting self-sufficient communities is illegal. So I don't really understand how a post that questions if our society is being forced on us and asking for discussion on it is cancerous. Its way less cancerous than "Omg this foot in this guys mouth is 100% a childs foot" or "Trump is god saving our country"

I never post anywhere though? I keep to comments and I read through posts on conspiracy every day. Its full of cancerous I'm right you're wrong posts and comments. People don't want discussion just like you don't want discussion but just want to be validated. And I think the point of the quote is that money shouldn't have value and society evolve past that to promote further learning and consciousness for everyone. Its obviously depicting a fairy tail world as something like that will never be possible due to greed. Someone will always want to control everyone and everything.

" ... people that DON'T COME HERE, to spread their poorly thought out economic beliefs."

I don't know, man. I see a lot of conservative, regressive politics on here.

Could it be that it was upvoted and commented upon because it was an interesting discussion? I know that’s why I upvoted it. I enjoyed a lot of the points made from a variety of different perspectives, and I assume other people did, as well.

Maybe people just disagree with you, and that’s why you get downvoted. Maybe people downvote you because you’re trying to control the narrative and stifle conversation here, instead of letting people discuss what they want to discuss. Maybe some people in the world think pure unfettered capitalism is a failure, and that we can do better.

It’s funny to me that you don’t even consider that a possibility. It must be some massive nefarious plot against you, it couldn’t possibly be anything else.

Oh, so we’re not actually having a discussion, you’re just here to troll people. Carry on then.

Yeah, because everyone being able to eat and pay bills is cancerous.

STEALING people's labor or generated income from their labor in order to feed and pay the bills of people that DIDN'T earn that money is cancerous.

This is exactly why I'm a leftist.

Your self-own was free, and I valued that.

But we gotta think bigger than what is. We have to imagine a world where there is no such thing as stealing others labor, because AI will have automated out almost everyone and allowed for super-abundance. We have to envision a different future if we want to change anything.

I think that one day, if we played out cards right, a Star Trek like post scarcity, post money future isn't out of the question.

I think that a "culture of Socialism" must be established first. Without this the post-scarcity system will never sustain itself. What I mean by a culture of Socialism is one in which we can all agree on basic things- such as a desire to provide things like Healthcare to all citizens, or College/Trade educations. As a People we must see each other as our greater family, and realize that we must all work together to see the world change in this way.

Without this, once the automation comes it will be maintained within the hands of the Elite's and only further the divide between ruler and ruled. Now don't get me wrong- I understand how difficult and even divisive just my two stated goals above are to many people. But I believe in fighting peacefully, within the framework of the Republican Commonwealth we call the United States, to persuade the People that this is the proper course of action. And I expect, respect, and hope for, opposition in doing so. So that these policies might be better forged and the People given a True choice.

not government taking my money and distributing it how THEY deem fit

See, we have to work simultaneously to change the government to one that represents our own interests while maintaining the capability to defend and enforce our interests via arms. We have to believe in a better government of the People, and then fight for it. No simple task.

I don’t believe that education and healthcare are a right.

And I think that with enough work and effort, we can change this in anticipation of the post scarcity situation where this should indeed be a Right, due to the overabundance of resources and goods to make it possible.

Imagine how strained the systems would be here, or how abused they’d be if free to all?

This ties into imagining a different future, one radically different from the world we currently inhabit. It's about preparing for the Realities that that new world will bring with it- and seeing a different way of doing things and taking care of each other.

I know we are pretty opposite on these things here, but I still think that through these opposites we can forge a better future.

Implying the free market isn't the best system for this to happen?

I was in there trying to get a convo going about synergetics! That quote is one of the less interesting Buckminster Fuller-isms. I never expected that to rise to the top when I first saw it in /new.

The ELI5 would be that Bucky looked at physics "upside down." Up was viewed as "away" and down was viewed as "inwards."

He sought to create new means by which one could engage in problem solving with an emphasis on visual and spatial phenomena.

Essentially, some major league looking at things from a different point of view.

https://www.bfi.org/about-fuller/big-ideas/synergetics

Not necessarily required to dive into the whole thing but it's fun

I knew better than to dip into that cesspool of a post. There is no arguing with a bunch of young “I shouldn’t have to work” brigadiers. A person only has so much patience, ya know.

I don’t think it’s uncommon for younger people to rebel against the mainstay of adulthood, of course they rather not have to work. Reality of being an adult is a force that some are just not ready to deal with just yet. But this “FreeLife” mentality is being encouraged, and that is where it’s a problem. History has shown it doesn’t end well.

And another thing, fuck no I’m not paying your way so you can think of what gender you want to be today.

Bitch, you betta work!

Lord knows, you ain’t wrong.

How is that cancerous? It's a damn fine and valid discussion. Get off your high horse. Sheesh.

So then are you a fan of the idea of a socialist big government taking hold here in the US?

So what if someone is? Does that make them inherently cancerous to this sub?

I responded and gave an upvote, but didn't realize it had so many upvotes. Since I feel we're already acting as a quasi democratic socialist country, my thought-reasoning was...

I'm kind of inline with this thinking, but because of greed there will always be people at top that need a population to suffer to gain their wealth.

interesting upvote volume none the less.

why that post was even brigaded is weird. Is someone trying to play a long game?? Because I've seen plenty of "philosophical thought" posts on here, and maybe a few hundred upvotes tops.. But never generating that much interest.. with as much fake narrative upvote brigading we've gotten over the last 2 years, why shouldn't we question those high numbers.

To those who think that all this sounds like science fiction, we point out that yesterday's science fiction is today's fact. The Industrial Revolution has radically altered man's environment and way of life, and it is only to be expected that as technology is increasingly applied to the human body and mind, man himself will be altered as radically as his environment and way of life have been.

I agree about pushing to fabricate a fake majority here on r/conspiracy of all places, it comes off as dumb as fuck.

fake thoughts pushed here: "hey don't talk about that stupid conspiracy". my thoughts: "what the fuck are you even doing in this subreddit?? Defending r/conspiracy from... conspiracy??" ridiculous.

As for Bernie, (whom i'm a staunch supporter of, and i can't defend the "half baked mental children", especially the ones that went hill anyways.) remember he got shut out by the elites, dems and media too. He was my anti-establishment choice. I feel the democratic socialist label is just more two party paradigm labeling. I'm happy that trump is shaking shit up, and i'm hopefully for the future, but I think it's still just establishment labeling.

Yeah I don't think a 2020 run for him will happen, definitely not as a dem, and dems won't win anything until they nuke their current leadership base. If they think shifting to a "socialist" card makes them more appealing that would just be a facade, because their current leadership is pushing heavy fascism-esque narratives all the while accusing others of just that (whaaaa?).

As for reddit, I don't know when the dam is going to break. Simple critical thinking sinks any brigaded narrative, and the streissand effect just paints easier targets. If solely PsyOps they're making me feel like a master digital sleuth, so... thanks, tptb??

haha well that's because i'm an independent that only went dem for bernie then promptly demex't it out of there after the primaries and had my ballots changed to "permanent vote by mail" which i've never been. Thanks Alex Padilla, CA SOS!

Cancerous? It is obviously about the ancient hierarchical system that requires the labor of 99% to support the 1%.

Buy what authority do those with power use violence to maintain their power?

It can't be called a natural system, because it there are always revolts against that excessive control.

this system that you seem to hate has helped elevate a large majority of this country INTO the 1%

Read that over a couple of times and see if you can find anything wrong with it.

"A large majority into the 1%"

Well I don't know what that means in relation to the posted comment...but...clearly a large majority of people aren't part of the 1%...unless new math has 1% being a large majority of 100%

And what is the source of this risked money?

The top 1% has made tremendous success since 1981, but the working middle class and working class once the ones in the U.S. were richest on the globe, but are now near the bottom of the modern industrial nations. The working and middle class has declined in wealth and political power as the wealthy gained more wealth.

And you fail to note the game for the last 50 years has been to privatize the tax monies, that didn't take any investment or risk.

Why didn't you just do like Romney told you to do, and like Trump did, just have daddy lend you some money. /s

If you weren't born rich, you must have stolen it from the rich. /s

this is interesting. Attempts to crosspost where whomever thinks there needs to be more "narrative control".

reddit crossposting of the "what do you all think"

Dunno. Resource production is up, yields are fatter with less human labour.

One day the human population will achieve equilibrium, but because we grew populations too use in labour and those jobs are being taken by even better technology we will have a vast population that can't work.

Every drop of water and every ounce of wood will soon be accounted for soon. Doing work without finding employment means you are stealing wood and water for your own side project. There just won't be the jobs to buy the food we can easily grow.

This zombie nation of people that can't do anything but eat and wait for the government to restock the grocery shelves. Biggest threat to all our accumulated knowledge.

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. ~ John Maynard Keynes

Fascism is capitalism in decay. ~ Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. ~ Archbishop Helder Camara

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

In the 1980s capitalism triumphed over communism. In the 1990s it triumphed over democracy. ~ David Korten

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Oh dear Lord God in heaven, please help this lost soul.

Dear sweet Jesus Christ. Where in any of those quotes make you think I am supporting communism. I pretty much reject all 'isms'. Haven't seen one that works well yet.

'Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent.' ~ H. L. Mencken

I guess you're not paying attention.

What you have is capitalism for the 99% and socialism for the 1%.

You have to be smart enough to see that.

Remember the housing bubble that messed up the economy?

Anyone with an IQ more than a rock saw the the rich got bailed out, while everyone else lost their homes.

Think about it. Why didn't the bailout go to the home owners. The home owners would have got their homes and the banks would of got their money. Instead the banks got their money and the homeowners lost their homes. Does that really make sense to you. It is obvious socialism for the rich.

If you are unwilling to see and admit to that, you pretty much suck Satan's peter, and I don't mean the apostle.

It is a government of the people by the people for the people no longer; it is a government of corporations by corporations for corporations. ~ Rutherford B. Hayes

Are you labeling this as wrong thing?

This thread is no different than FP garbage, and full of nothing but pro-big government socialists who have zero concept of economics and know nothing about what it takes to start/run/own your own business.

It's absolutely hilarious hearing people argue for UBI, but somehow HATE the current government.

Seems like you're labeling it as wrong think and using an accusation of a brigade to try and get this point across. But yeah, seeing as you so quickly label people / counter viewpoints as stupid I'll thankfully bow out of this conversation.

You know what caused it???? BIG GOVERNMENT. How do you want to fix it? ...more Government?

Bingo. Socialist are the result of talking point, virtue signaling, and hearing one side of a story or debate. The truth isn't pushed. Socialism is pushed from a one-sided perspective. It's one the reasons republicans get shunned unfairly on social media. Another attempt to hide the truth.

The truth is not somewhere in the middle. The truth is socialism is and always will be an epic failure. They push this "republicans are against progress" narrative. This too is complete bullshit. We're against progressing backwards to a failed system that is and always will be destined to fail.

Hell, just look at modern day socialist countries, such as Scandinavian countries. Highest cost of living in the world! B-but they have such a high min wage, and all this free stuff. A pair of levis is $120, a gallon of gas is $7, a value meal at McD is $12. Rent is off the fucking charts. All that money and they can't afford anything.