Trump/FBI
1 2018-07-13 by Deltron30303030
Can someone please explain to me in a bit of detail the conspiracy theory that the FBI somehow is in on a plot to hinder trump's presidency or get him impeached after unsuccessfully stopping his election? The whole thing is hard to keep together.
39 comments
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-07-13
I think this video does a pretty great job explaining a lot of it. Trey Gowdy is a beast.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
This doesn't really explain anything. By his own logic he is a biased and completely unreliable person because he too has said bad things about the president. What is the overall conspiracy though? A couple of rogue agents texting each other? What else is there is what I'm trying to understand.
1 Sugarleaps 2018-07-13
The fbi agents who covered for Clinton in the email probe are some of the same agents who were leading the investigation into Russian meddling and collusion into the Trump campaign. The IG report exposed how Hillary was never questioned about her intent with the email servers by the fbi, even though the fbi decided not to charge her because they didn't think there was intent to circumvent security measures. How could they determine intent without questioning the person who would have been the one person who would have known the actual intent of the actions taken? All that while intent isn't actually required for her to have been indicted.
The report also exposed how Comey himself thought Obama's DOJ was too corrupt to handle her case, so he took it upon himself to simply broadcast his "findings" a week before the election on national television.
Above alone gave Trump reason to fire Comey, but when Trump fired Comey Trump said it was for the investigation into the Russian meddling which is what gave rise to the special counsel Mueller now leads. A curious aspect about it all is the day before Trump fired comey, Trump met with Mueller under the guise of interviewing for a potential new head of the FBI position even though Mueller was ineligible.
Trump meets with the person who would lead an investigation into him a day before Trump does something completely unnessecary which starts an open ended investigation at a time Trump knew people wanted to start an investigation into him, his campaign and of general corruption?
Smells like a set up, might not be, but it's certainly curious.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Hmmm. This is certainly an explanation.
Seems tenuous at best. I don't see the massive conspiracy though. Comey seems to have been wishy washy and had no real agenda. And I think it's a bit of a stretch to say those agents "covered" for anyone. I don't see the malicious intent.
1 Sugarleaps 2018-07-13
Well, when the person leading an investigation says the person they're supposed to be investigating should win the presidency "one million out of one million times" it shows they were investigating with what is called an outcome determanitive bias.
The investigators believed there was nothing for them to find, and subsequently found nothing. Shocker! That alone shows they were derelict in their duties.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Does this mean that Gowdy and every Republican who ever spoke I'll about Trump is a biased and completely unreliable person? That's the logic right?
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
When did this conspiracy start and what was the end goal?
1 DarthStem 2018-07-13
It started when the texts were released between Storzk and Page showing them literally saying "not my president". Then you have all the IG report evidence stating they had a case against HRC but dropped it due to political bias.
The goal for them was to taint the Russian investigation so it made trump look guilty. Were 2 years into it and how much evidence have we seen of Trump Russia collusion? How much evidence do we have of HRC/Obama admission collusion with russia? The demand accused trump of what they were doing which is a classic trick of the left, projection. Uranium One and the Iran nuke deal were set up behind the backs of the american people and our representatives. Does that not worry you a bit?
1 DasBeefcat 2018-07-13
When Mueller ends his investigation, will you accept his findings? Whether they are good or bad for Trump
1 DarthStem 2018-07-13
I'm not going to go full liberal freakout if he is found guilty. Because I know nobody in DC is clean.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Uranium one. Fully debunked.
Also, why is it that you expect us to know what proof Mueller has? Also, Trump made himself look guilty by having so many Russian meetings and connections and then lied about all of them. Where is the Dem collusion you speak of and why would it excuse trump?
So the conspiracy started when 2 agents texted each other? Who else is involved? Seems like 2 people couldn't really do much.
1 DarthStem 2018-07-13
How was U1 debunked? Post a source for that.
If Mueller had proof he would have came out with it by now, again 2 years and nothing but indicting Russians.
The dem collusion is then all shouting russia at the top of their lungs and not holding their own party accountable.
Storzk and page are 2 HIGH LEVEL FBI agents. He directly oversaw investigations in the HRC email investigation as well and the trump/russia investigation. His texts prove political bias. Plain and simple and you cant argue that away.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Shepard Smith from Fox News of all places does a pretty good job of debunking it. Honestly it's a little surprising that it's still even talked about.
Gowdy is in charge of the investigation into the investigation right? He's said bad things and critical things about the president. Why is he allowed to continue?
Mueller has locked up trump's campaign manager and Russian stooge Paul Manafort as well as many others directly connected to Trump. This isn't nothing and we don't know the connections yet. Paul Manafort's job for over a decade was to get pro Russian candidates elected in Ukraine and other countries ffs. Also, just a tangent, but why are there so many Russian meetings and connections that were almost all lied about?
Political bias doesn't preclude FBI agents from doing their jobs. Like it doesn't preclude regular police officers from doing their jobs or teachers or...
1 bardwick 2018-07-13
I think that's quite an over simplification.
These weren't "a couple of agents". You have the lead investigator for both the Clinton and Trump investigations. Using FBI equipment, on FBI property, during normal working hours, explaining to other FBI agents involved in the most critical investigations in modern history that they want to destroy one candidate over the other.
Senior agents of our chief law enforcement agency were actively discussing how they could bypass the US constitution and choose who was elected at the president of the United States. Post election, they actively discussed how they work to get a duly elected president impeached.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
I think that 2 people in law enforcement would obviously find a Trump candidacy bizarre and horrifying especially after what Strozk said about when he sent those texts. By this rationale, anyone who has ever spoke ill about Trump is a biased and completely unreliable person.
When did this conspiracy start and was its goal? How large or expansive is it?
Did they make up all of the Russian connections and meetings and subsequent lies about them?
1 bardwick 2018-07-13
I disagree that this is the case. There is a difference between speaking ill of someone and scheming with fellow Federal Investigators to have the president impeached. I don't think you grasp the scope. The lead investigator, at the highest levels of the FBI communicating with other high ranking FBI officials on the best ways to ensure a president is not elected? They needed an insurance policy to make sure that didn't happen. It was discussed openly in the assistant director of the FBI's office.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Trey Gowdy and the other people on that panel yesterday have almost all said critical and bad things about the president. That investigation is serious too no? Why should they be allowed to continue any type of investigation as they have the ACTUAL power to do anything about Trump?
1 bardwick 2018-07-13
I don't think you are getting it.
You keep going back to the "said something bad".
There is a VERY big difference in "I hope Trump doesn't win" and even "fuck Trump" with "We need to set up an insurance policy to make sure if he wins, we can get him impeached".
Making a statement that you don't like someone/something is fine. I draw the line when you take/threaten to take action. You and I (assume) have big problems when our elections are meddled with. The difference between you and I is that I also have a problem with senior members of the FBI attempting to do the same.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
When did they say that? I can't find that text.
Did you hear the tweets read out about the president by Republican members? They were very critical. Why is it ok for them to be able to investigate?
1 eugene-p23v 2018-07-13
No, do you know where you are?
You don’t come here asking people for shit. Only some anti intellectual shill would do that.
Come here why you have an interesting article to share, then submit it.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Damn you're sensitive.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
It is simple. The globalists who have been running and looting the country for the last 25 years are desperately attempting to invalidate the election before the American public figures out what they've been up to.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Can you define what a globalist is and how Donald Trump is NOT one?
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
Globalists promote the subversion of democratic institutions in order to promote their agenda of profiting from the economic decimation of the lower classes. Self-serving trade agreements, like NAFTA, illegal immigration and the promotion of social decay are prime examples of globalism in action.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Convenient.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
And correct. Pretending that Trump is a globalist only demonstrates that you don't comprehend the meaning of the word.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
I think you've made the word fit your view of Trump.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
And I know I was correct when I said that you have no idea what the word means.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
1.
a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.
adjective
1.
relating to or advocating the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
You've learned to copypasta. Splendid.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Your definition is shit.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
As we've already established that you are entirely ignorant of the definition, you opinion is irrelevant. Now run back to /r/politics and get some more talking points.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
I just gave you the ACTUAL definition. No mention of your little buzzwords. You're wrong.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
You copypasted some definition you found with the Google. Let's not confuse information with comprehension.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
THE definition. You lose. Take the L
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
Trust me, you lost before you ever started.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Thanks for the win lil Fart. It's been fun. You lose. Your buzzwords have failed you greatly.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
I know it is unfair that not everyone gets to be smart but don't ever stop trying.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Pizzagate isn't real my friend. Take the L like a real man. Not a soy boy beta. ;)
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
Globalists promote the subversion of democratic institutions in order to promote their agenda of profiting from the economic decimation of the lower classes. Self-serving trade agreements, like NAFTA, illegal immigration and the promotion of social decay are prime examples of globalism in action.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
You've learned to copypasta. Splendid.
1 Deltron30303030 2018-07-13
Your definition is shit.
1 FartfullyYours 2018-07-13
You copypasted some definition you found with the Google. Let's not confuse information with comprehension.