I will tell you their secrets. They argue over what day to have the next pancake breakfast. Oh and... The punish the jr. Deacon by complementing the cheap pizzas he bought with the lodges money.

To be one, ask one

a mason or a freemason? or a guy named mason? a stone mason? or a stoned mason?

They are Gnostics/Luciferians. Read about Isis, Osirus, and Horus.

You can research Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. It is available online.

There is also William Cooper's Mystery Babylon on youtube.

They are NWO globalists who want a one world government.

Nimrod is considered to be the first Freemason. Nimrod tried to build the Tower of Babel.

The Curse of Canaan by Eustace Mullins:

http://johnkaminski.info/pages/the_next_chapter/pdf/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf

Always choose good over evil.

Everyone in this sub has a relative that is a mason, mine was 50+ years. You must be 12 because they haven't been good at keeping secrets.

My family have been masons for generations, I refuse. Met a grandfather inlaw for the first time (overseas holiday) and found out he was really high up in the lodge. So I asked him what he thinks, should I join? he said to me if he'd spent the same amount of money on educating himself he would have done fine. Oh with the added benefit of spending more time with his family. He said don't bother.

Who cares, do youre own shit. Do you really care that much. Ive followed the deep shit of conspiracy theories yet I wouldnt care about joining freemasons. Seems more like old school bro club.

Yeah, the lodge system which is full or porch Masons is a bro club... But you clearly haven't gotten deep enough.

He won’t tell me what Freemasons do until I join them.

Sounds like the biggest load of baloney.

Couldn't you just join, then quit?

I don’t think you can just quit

What's gonna happen, they just keep sending you unhappy mail?

Depending on the info you know, like to which degree you get to could be risky business

Read this book called Masonry Unmasked to learn everything you need to know.

Or read a book with real information. Yes you can leave - many do. Many just stop paying dues and showing up. There's also a formal process to leave in good standing called a 'demit'.

Dead men tell no tales

Sure you can. Happens all the time.

Yes, you can.

You don't learn the real shit until they "get something on you" at the higher levels I'm sure.

The ritual of almost every major college fraternity involves an oath to allow them to stab/pierce/rip out your heart if you disclose the secrets. It's symbolic, they don't really do that.

Where do you think those fraternity rituals came from?

Join them.

If they're nefarious, rat'em out.

If they're not, congrats, you've got a bunch of old dude friends/contacts.

You won't be told all too much when you just joined. You will have to earn their trust. As soon as you will learn the truth, they will already have you compromised. Don't do it, they will get you.

Just join to find out and report back here when you figure it out.

Yeah OP most od their "secret" symbols, gestures, poses words/phrases are all exposed at this point only good for secret communication.

They have diffrent layers to their agenda. New guys get entry level info. Maybe eveones is sypporring a new masonic endevourw maybe they planing the next parade.

Its would take years of what i would call undercover work to find the hiddin planns if there are any at all it would be equivalent to going undwrcover in the mob or biker gang only stranger

My experience is that local masonic lodges are largely benign. They're more like Men's Clubs backdropped with cryptic traditions. As someone already mentioned, they're gnostic/luciferian in philosophy but you might find you'll rise through the ranks of your local lodge and nobody is plotting evil or world domination or murdering people or anything like that lol.

Can you ask him a question?

Why is the "temple of solomon" the cornerstone of Masonic estotericism? I'm thinking of the founding legend of Hiram Abiff, and of course the two-column symbolism.

With all the marvelous (and more mysterious) stonework present in the world, whether older (the Pyramids) or younger (Gothic cathdrals), why would Masons choose to claim heritage over that particular building? Even its alleged former location is still undertermined (the so-called "wailing wall" in Jerusalem is likely to merely be the Western wall of the Roman Antonina Fortress, see this fascinating Zionist documentary about the controversy).

What is it with Masons and Zionism? It seems unlikely to be related to the crusades (and its chivalrous orders), as Masons are typically not Catholic, and as Masonry is a historical enemy of the Roman church.

temple of solomon

Speaking to those of the otherworld/djinns/whatever.

My uncle was one as well and pretty high up in his local chapter lodge..club? Whatever it is called... My aunt was in the order of the eastern star but wasnt as into it as her hubby. I think it was more of a tagalong thing for her than a lifestyle but he was into it enough that he had a masonic funeral and everything which is a pretty big deal considering that my family on that side at least prides itself on their hardcore Southern Baptist roots. That doesnt mix as far as the rituals go. I wasnt into the conspiracies as much back then to ask for their innermost secrets. I highly doubt that he would have divulged any anyway. I do know that when you die that they have someone come and collect your regalia normally which always is a red flag when you see items for sale that that family member at least wasnt down with the masons. I am always super suspicious of any group that makes you get knee deep before letting you know its inner workings. That is very culty to me. I know that not all things are divulged to all members but the secretive nature of the masons just sounds like they want you in so deep financially that even if you do hear some cult like quackery that you have already spent so much that you will be apprehensive to leave. You already bought and paid for such secrets and surely not everyone around you would fall for crazy stupid stuff right? I mean look around most of these 33rd degree guys are successful rich and in high stations in life so surely those guys must hear something enlightening that will make sense of it all right? If not then they at least have paid to be that fraternal and believe that it will possibly help them in business at least. I mean my uncle wasnt a stupid guy he worked for Anheuser Busch and had a pretty cushy job so even if he didnt quite believe all the tenants of masonry he at least went with the group think and it seemed to serve him well. I cannot help but think surely he read about Albert Pike and had to comprehend as well as I did and HAD TO KNOW that not only was he a high level KKK member but also what I believe was a luciferian too. How does a christian man get past that part? For the brotherhood? For business? Or do they by then have something much larger and darker on you so turning back isnt an option at all? So many questions...

If you are an up and coming business man in the community and you want to posture within your community as one then I would say give it a shot. But I for one have never been a fan of buying friends so the fact that you are basically doing that at least make me wary. Its the secretive about what else it includes part that could either be really good or TERRIBLE. Think real long and hard before you act and GOOD LUCK!

Haha. Their plan is simple. Get in and you’ll see it’s nothing like the YouTube videos. You’d be honestly surprised. There is no Illuminati.

Time for the real answers.

Should I join him?

Yes.

And give this sub insight of what their plans are?

No, we are a bunch of nobodies who will never make change, the ones who make change take action, they don't sit in their room on the computer taking tokes and hacking up butts browsing reddit.

He won’t tell me what Freemasons do until I join them.

Its basically a fraternity, its about logistics/networking/opportunity, you want to go work at mcdonalds and try to give a bunch of nobodies information that really won't be what you expect, go ahead, but its opportunity to be part of something bigger than yourself, its basically a brotherhood, some are MUCH sketchier than others obviously, but it sounds like your father is networked and well respected, you too can earn that type of network and respect if you follow his path.

Just because the internet told you all freemasons are evil, etc, doesn't make it so, most men want a better future, everyone does, everyone sees it a MUUUCH different way (FUCK YOU THANOS).

You won't even understands their ideology and their intended path for a few years after joining, and by then you could find out its benign, like simply a connected brotherhood for work purposes, etc.

He had been a grandmaster at 2 lodges and has been a Freemason for almost 20 years.

I have one serious question before I can go any further, and I need it answered before I can give my final response:

Deep down, is your father a good person? Would he stop to help people that he KNEW where in need, if he had the capacity/etc to help? Was he a good father? Did he earn your respect?

If you do not answer me, I will give you my answer, I hope you say hes respectful and was a good dad, because that would tell me that he had an opportunity to lead a brotherhood and was able to keep it together for many years, run multiple lodges, etc, he is likely a benevolent person who simply networked within the lodge to help him do what he wanted, take care of his family.

It sounds more like you have an amazing life opportunity and you would rather compromise that for a bunch of nobodies who don't give a shit about you, who have never met you, and can't truly know whats best for YOU, unlike the person who raised you.

The answer is never in our heads, its in our hearts.

[Mason here]

I'm not sure this is the best sub to ask.

Even if your father is (oddly) unwilling to talk to you about Masonry, you can educate yourself.

Here's my standard copypasta:

We're a centuries old fraternal order, who exist to improve our own character ('we make good men better' is one of our slogans), and through that improve our communities. Along the way, we do a lot of charity (forex: Shriner's free hospitals for crippled children), and have a lot of cool and private ceremonies using the construction of King Solomon's Temple as an allegorical base for teaching Enlightenment ideals. (yes, we really do have secret handshakes).

We have several million Brothers world wide, but no central organization. Many prominent men from every walk of life have been members, including over a dozen US presidents.

Regular Masonry is open to adult men of good character who are not atheists - we require a belief in some form of 'higher power', but aren't fussy about what. As a rule, we don't recruit; we want an potential member to make the first approach of his own free will.

If you're curious, drop by our main hangout on reddit, /r/freemasonry. You'll find a lot of friendly folk there. If you prefer a book, for North Americans I recommend (seriously, I'm not trolling) "Freemasons for Dummies" by Christopher Hodapp.

Seriously, check out Hodapp's book, or drop by /r/freemasonry to see what kind of people are there.

In before:

• You're low level, and don't know the real secrets.
• You're high level, and are hiding the real secrets.
• Will you fix my wall for free? (No).

You forgot to tell him about the pedophilia and ritual human sacrifice stuff.

you forgot the part where you guys suck each others dicks.

They make salmon cakes before lodge. The Shrine, drink at meetings. Both help people and kids. That's it. Making good men better men. That's all I can say and I said too much.

Or read a book with real information. Yes you can leave - many do. Many just stop paying dues and showing up. There's also a formal process to leave in good standing called a 'demit'.