i cringe everytime i read a comment with “the Left” or “the Right”

YOURE NOT GONNA HAVE A SIDE TO PICK ONCE WERE VAPORIZED

I cringe everytime I see "the 1%"

99% vs 1% is another divide and conquer

Your average millionaire has no power

Let's talk about the 0.01% instead, banking families and all that jazz

The government should be the thing issuing money. Pretty much begins and ends right there.

Nope, decentralize everything

take control out of the hands of the few and put it in the hands of many

Things work best when theyre centrelized tho

Single points of failure/control

No thanks for me

Well ideally the people will still be in control of the gov

Oh for sure lol

but surely we could decentralize parts of the gov too, I mean, with the internet and blockchain technologies I'm sure we can figure out a way to give a voice/vote to everyone instead of 1 dude we're stuck with for years lol

Nope money is just a note that represents a scarce item that carries value like gold or silver. Fiat currency is worthless, and it leads to massive inflation. Look at how well that shit worked for Zimbabwe. The federal reserve is just a stones throw away from replicating that shit show.

I know a small business owner that won't hire anyone supporting the left. He is constantly trying to sway local politics to the right. His voice carries much more weight than the average person. He is very influential by any measures and your classic 1 percenter.

He’s only hurting himself. On the other hand he doesn’t want anyone demanding more pay than their worth.

It's ironic you subtly slipped in that divide people on this thread are talking about. You couldn't help yourself, could you?

This sub has a lot of socialists. There’s being anti corporation and then there’s communism. Trust me the evil corporations want you to be socialist. Makes them richer.

This sub geta brigaded all too much

Every other thread now

It’s not a brigade. People here are socialist. No one reads the Protocols of Zion and sees socialism and communism and Utopianism is how the Joos control them.

There's communism and then there's socialism. They are not the same thing.

That’s how I know this sub has socialists.

Yes, it does. So does every subreddit. I don't see the problem.

They’re being duped.

The kulak population, north Korean population during 1995, and many others would beg to differ about communism.

Socialism could work, but that would require a complete comprehensive revamping of... well, everything. Including morality of a nation and its ideology. It looks good on paper, but never a self sustained and effective nation has lasted with it.

Are there any examples of either one which you could point to that have been successful?

Arguably Cuba, currently Rojava

Yeah cause they were funded by the ussr. Without it it would perish.

The USSR hasn't existed for 30 years

Thanks captain fucking obvious. Cuba’s not communist anymore is it now.

And it's quite the shining example of how well communism works. Lol

I can’t take you seriously. Jesus.

By what definition? By the definition "social ownership and democratic control of the means of production" no country has ever been socialist/communist, but you people don't like that. Convenient how it's communism when it fails and isn't when it's successful, eh?

Of course. Because full socialist Communist countries can’t exist because it doesn’t work. That’s why there are always capitalistic elements that save the economy. There’s no blaming here. Calm yourself Karl Marx.

What? Either private property is legal or it isn't, there is no such thing as socialism "with capitalist elements" or "not full socialism".

Are you serious? The USSR branded itself as communist, there were no privacy property for any farm lands, yet when the economy was faltering they had to open up import exports (aka capitalistic trade). Oh look at post Maoist China, how did China rise from the ashes of Mao's communist policies, oh wait, yeah, partially opening up free markets.

You know why "there is no such thing as socialism "with capitalist elements" or "not full socialism"." is true? Because socialism doesn't work, can't be achieved, has never been achieved, the illusion of socialist success is because the engine of capitalism supports it.

Define "successful". Can you give me an example of any system that has been "successful"?

I asked you first.

And I responded with a question that shows why your question is nonsense.

How in the hell would corporations profit off of (for example) single payer health care? That would be the decimation of the entire health insurance industry.

How wouldn’t they? They’re getting money from the government.

Exactly! Come on . . I know Obama care isn't actually socialized medicine like its praised to be. . But when the government FORCES people to buy your shitty, overpriced "product" can it get any better than that?

Obamacare isn’t actually socialized medicine though, that’s the point. It’s the Richard Nixon/Heritage Foundation/Mitt Romney plan, so course it’s going to funnel money to corporations. Citing that as an example of how socialism makes corporations money is absurdly delusional.

I just said it ISNT but it claimed to be

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what-is-single-payer

This is a nice right up on what single payer is all about. We stop feeding the profit-hungry healthcare machine that takes up the majority of our tax dollars through Medicare, and replace it with simpler tax-payer funded medical care.

And it works until you decide “nazis” don’t deserve it.

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Fuck fascists, but they still deserve medical care. Potentially limiting care from people isn’t a reason not to work towards single payer, because that happens in the current fuckin system to the poor.

"Small business owner" does not describe someone in the 1%. Let alone a "classic" 1 percenter.

Maybe they’re the 1% if you’re looking at it in terms of just that city/town. But you’re right, definitely not what most people think of as a 1%er.

I'm not sure about that... 1% of the population is still a LOT of people. Over 3 million people are "1%" in the US

I mean I guess at the end of the day it depends on your subjective semantic interpretation of the word "small business" lol.

That "0.1%" I refer to was just approximation, as someone else pointed out, it's probably closer to 0.0001% or something lol

The group we should be uniting against is the "superclass" as /u/whenisnezzy2quest pointed out

Basically the big name banking families and their crony friends, who happen to run most multinational businesses and international entities (Think IMF, BIS, WTO, etc) .

Exactly, and the last thing we want to do is alienate anyone outside of that 0.0001%, but that's exactly what we're doing. The very small group of people within that figure are very happy to claim all of the millionaires as they're very own, and the millionaires are happy to align themselves with them because everyone else hates them.

To reach the threshold of the top 1 percent of income earners in the U.S., you need to make $389,436 a year or more, a 2013 Economic Policy Institute report finds.

Yeah back in 2013 and that’s a nationwide statistic.

In Malibu, CA the average income for homeowners is higher than that. You aren’t even considered hot shit if you make only a million dollars a year, and you can’t even own a piece property anywhere there if you only make $500k a year.

"the one percent" is referring to nation-wide statistics. so..yes, it's different in Malibu. the point is people think "the one percent" only consists of CEOs and Monopoly men but that just isn't the case at all.

Its super cheap to influence local governments.

If he's a small business owner, he's not a 1 percenter, but he's certainly a 1 percenter booster.

How do you define "influential" in his case? How many employees does he have; how much pull does he have in local politics? As a small business owner, I assume he has no weight outside of his immediate community.

it's the 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001 that worries me

The top .000000000013% is a single person, so I guess you're saying that noone worries you!

Hes talking about jesus?

nah, he's worried about a specific white blood cell in the richest person in the world

happy cake day!

thanks! :)

worried that bezos has any white blood cells

Do reptiles have white blood cells?

Osmosis Jones.

Honestly tho we all know Jeff Bezos has some crazy robo-mutant genetically engineered crap flowing thru his veins right now so maybe that is what we need to be worried about.

That’s just a bad cold sore you have. Don’t worry about it, worry won’t make it go away.

Mine has at least two more zeros

It's not just the top of the top but the vassals which surround and feed them with their "expertise". A certain psychopathic intellectual class whose jobs depend on creating strife and ruining other people's existence. A self sustaining Pathocracy.

Still worth talking about the top 0.1%, too.

From a recent study:

The top 0.1 percent was composed of 160,000 families with average wealth of $72.8 million. All told, they owned 22 percent of the nation’s wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 90 percent included 144 million families with average wealth of $84,000, and they owned an equal 22.8 percent of America’s wealth.

"Wealth is getting more concentrated in the United States," the researchers observed, "but this phenomenon largely owes to the spectacular dynamics of fortunes of dozens and hundreds of million dollars, and much less to the growth in fortunes of a few million dollars. Inequality within rich families is increasing."

In 2016, the Census Bureau only showed 82.18 million families in the US. The number of households in the US is about 126 million, which is a little closer to your 140 million figure, but not close enough.

Just trying to sort out where you got that number, if it wasnt from the Census?

It is really smaller than that. 0.01% represents 1 in 10,000 people. I would suggest that a figure of 1in 100,000 people wield any real fimancial power in this country.

Could you please introduce me to a few millionaires so I can figure out what "your acreage millionaire" looks like and how he behaves?

Today, in the United States, there are about 11 million millionaires in 3.5 million millionaire households. While I'm sure they are more likely to support the 1% than your average joe, most of them are simply people whose house and retirement fund total a million or three. While they are quite comfortable and I personally would love to be one (I never will), they don't have the political pull of the 1%. A mere millionaire ain't the titan they were in the 1920s.

Thats not very many. In 2018, $1M isn’t much, if you consider many people will live 20 years into retirement with no defined benefit plans.

I’d argue that even millionaires are ‘middle class’ in the US- particularly on the coasts.

Agree completely. Your average millionaire has nothing in common with Gates, Buffett, Bezos, or the Koch brothers.

To be fair, focusing on the 1% is certainly a start and hardly qualifies as “divide.”

Wrong.

Yeah let's go through the horrors of the Soviet Union again, that turned out really well last time.

If socialist made this clear a lot more would support them. We're not wanting the guy making a little more pay. No the guys that got billions are the problem.

billions? Those are rookie numbers

That's great and all, but what policies only target billionaires and leave the 'guy making a little more' unharmed?

Seizing assets, property tax cap increases, Social Security tax cap increases... there's honestly a shit ton of possibilities if the motivation is there.

As i replied above, most of those policies will just chase away the rich guys leaving the state with a massive deficit in their budget. Which the middle class will have to fill in the form of overall tax increases

Money per se is irrelevant paper (or, realistically, bits on a server); what matters for actually sustaining countries / people is land and resources. If "the rich guys" decide to peace out of the country, they lose their assets, which can be put to much more productive use.

Practically speaking, tax flight on any scale that would actually impact a country is A) pretty much a myth even now, when we aren't flat out seizing mansions or yachts, and B) isn't at all a concern given that what actually matters for producing something are talents and skills, which the extremely wealthy don't have themselves- they merely pay others to have them.

Money is irrelevant? Money is literally what gives the 1%ers power. Without a steady stream of income a government can't pay unemployment benefits, state workers, pensions, maintaining public infrastructure, etc.

The government can quite literally mint a platinum coin worth 1000 trillion dollars tomorrow if it wants and claim all its prior debts settled.

Again, money is completely irrelevant if you have capital and labor dancing to your tune. Liquidity is a convenient fiction that modern economies agree on for a variety of pragmatic reasons, but it's not power. Capital, and the ability to accumulate more capital, is.

capital depends on money for 100% though. Also printing 1000 trillion dollars is about the stupidest way imaginable to balance a budget. You are aware that money would lose value in that circumstance, right?

capital depends on money for 100% though.

Nah, capital depends pretty clearly on how much labor is required to make the capital.

Good luck getting people to work for you if you don't pay them.

I think guaranteed food, housing, clothing, entertainment, etc. are preferable to pieces of paper, but that's just me.

You are aware that money would lose value in that circumstance, right?

100%. What's anybody actually going to do about a hegemon that still has thousands of nuclear weapons, though? And again, what does a piece of paper matter when you're getting more than what you got when you had the pieces of paper?

Even without jumping quite that far off the deep end into complete collective control of capital, MMT makes cogent arguments for why it's pretty easy to invent jobs out of thin air (did it post-Great Depression, and we can do it again when we care to); we also have more empty houses than we have homeless and under 2% of our population is employed in feeding the entire country (and then some).

Ok, let's backtrack this for a second. Your solution is to print money en masse, devalue your currency, use said money to buy food/housing/clothing/entertainmen for your labourers, who will be working useless fake jobs that don't contribute to society, and threaten anyone who opposes this plan with nukes?

What kind of Orwellian shit is this?

I will agree that there's a lot that can be done about the inequality gap, but unless you threaten people by force, you'll hurt the middle class much more than the 1%.

Ok, let's backtrack this for a second. Your solution is to print money en masse, devalue your currency, use said money to buy food/housing/clothing/entertainmen for your labourers, who will be working useless fake jobs that don't contribute to society, and threaten anyone who opposes this plan with nukes?

Why would disparate points be a proposed solution to anything? All of the above was just an illustration of the many ways in which money isn't actually equivalent to power at all. Absurdities abound when you try to peg what's actually valuable (labor and capital) to pieces of paper or potential voltages on some server in New York City.

I will agree that there's a lot that can be done about the inequality gap, but unless you threaten people by force

I'm alright with threatening people who engineer inequality by force in the last instance, but I'm pretty sure the unconscionably wealthy don't actually have the balls to play that game and would roll over in the face of a couple thousand people outside their doorsteps, general strikes, etc.

Why would disparate points be a proposed solution to anything? All of the above was just an illustration of the many ways in which money isn't actually equivalent to power at all. Absurdities abound when you try to peg what's actually valuable (labor and capital) to pieces of paper or potential voltages on some server in New York City.

Money literally defines value. On its own, it doesn't mean much. but it's just as valuable as labour or capital because we all collectively agree, that it has the value we attribute to it. You can get anything you want with money (including capital and labor) so how doesn't it have any value in your eyes?

1, Italy is doing some interesting things to encourage worker co-ops; workers own and democratically operate their workplace. Managers and CFOs are hired by, and work at the pleasure of, the workers. Slowly change the population's perspective on which direction power should flow. 2, take monopolies that the people rely on (internet, Amazon...) and make them public utilities: either owned by, or at least regulated by the people, democratically. 3, establish a national bank to provide small business loans as start up capital to co-ops without the profit motive or reckless gambling done by private banks. 4, allow for drastically more participation in governance by the citizenry. This would likely lead to a shift in national spending priorities from destructive things (bombs) to constructive things (infrastructure, education, health care).

Just a couple thoughts, i'm sure smarter people than myself could do better.

these are actually decent ideas that I can get behind, thank you

estate tax, progressive tax, removing the cap on social security, Capital gains taxes. There's a shit ton of well known policies that target billionaires and multi millionaires.

progressive taxes work ok-ish, but if you put them at a high enough level to actually take away power from the 1%ers, they'll just move to countries that don't have that. Guess who's going to have to cover for the missing tax revenue? that's right, the lower middle class

Unfortunately you can't touch the ones who are the problem. Bernie, Warren, and any other Marxist are just useful idiots. Utopian socialism will never be achieved, the end result will just be consolidated power with even less accountability. Americans need to realize they pioneered the most feasible branch of socialist thought, and it's not something to be afraid of. Benjamin Tucker knew what was up.

That is not really true. They can influence local politics

Left Wing or Right Wing, doesn't matter when the goose is cooked.

they are allowed to influence the politics the 0.01% wants to see influenced. if they supporting the wrong politics they could just go poor for reasons

The "Superclass" is a very real and mainstream thing. These roughly 6,000 people control the bulk of the world's affairs. Change can happen as long as a mass of people get together to bring it about.

Thanks for that link!

So your saying all we have to do to change the world for the better is to kill 6000 people?

Yes!

First step: make inheritance tax 100% for the 0.1%

Then kill the 6k 0.01% elite

Then the US uses all the money on the military

username checks out

Won't matter, 6000 others would take their places. Humans are humans and will abuse power if given the chance, with few ideological exceptions.

Someone else would just take their place. The line between good and evil doesn't cut through the population, it cuts through each individial heart. Every one of us has it in us to be as evil as they are, given the right circumstances.

Good and evil is just another false dichotomy. There's just no such thing. There is only selfishness and altruism.

That's yet another false dichotomy, and I don't mean to invoke no true scotsman's on false dichotomy in syntactic worded arguments, so if we can forgive these silly dis-pleasantries momentarily to talk of solutions:

Selfishness and altruism can be rationally bounded in a time-ordered system. The effects of long term decisions on the species is the only real meta-category to judge against.

This rational bounding occurs from an active, educated, participating society, that is empowered enough to improve its environment without threat of exterior force.

"That's yet another false dichotomy"

• Doing for myself: selfishness, doing for others: altruism. They are as real as you're going to get in terms of idealistic polarities, as real as the division between you, and I. False dichotomy essentially means false binary- what's more binary than two people?

"The effects of long term decisions on the species is the only real meta-category to judge against."

• There's only two types of decisions you can make: for yourself, or for others.

Eventually there Will be nobody to take their place. Men opposed to the good of the human race should be eliminated. People arent ready to hear that though.

Was going to post this. Evil is made of lots of choices we all take every single day. We can all do good things if we work together to make it happen. It when these 6000 have goodness rather than greed in their hearts will we see positive changes. Be the change you want to see and set the example that others can follow.

These people are only as powerful as the some of those who do their bidding for them. It's not inevitable that evil wins in the end.

Exactly. Cut one head off and another appears. Put oppressed tribes in power over their former oppressors and they'll oppress them too just the same. People aren't born inherently good or evil, they can become one and/or the other based on what circumstances they're presented with.

Yup. In the soviet union, after they killed off the "1%ers," the business owners and the property owners, the revolutionaries were far more brutal and oppressive than the old regime ever had been.

It's like there's this vacuum of oppression that humans feel a deep need to fill, some kind of gap.

The Shadow, as Jung called it

Less collateral damage than any of the military "police actions" we've been involved in over the past 70 years.

One of the top Facebook execs did an interview where he said there are about 150 people who run the world.

Link?

Link? I'm curious to see it

https://youtu.be/PMotykw0SIk

Your link is broken

Preach u/rayfloyd.. Couldn't agree more. It is the .01%, not the 1%, and this is such an important distinction.

We need the support of doctors, lawyers, small business owners who encompass the 1%. In fact, no one is getting fucked more than them in terms of tax liability as a percentage of income. There is significantly more financial disparity between the 1% and the .01% than there is in the entire bottom 99%. I think this was a huge miss of Occupy Wallstreet..

Also. The fuck is the 1%? Why just in America? The American average wage is living a king compared to the majority of the world. The US is the worlds fucking 1 %. Bunch of morally superior hypocrites.

Yeah like I'm in the 1% statistically and if theres an option for me to pull some strings could someone tell me where its at

Hahaha exactly

more like 0.0001%

No power? You could easily fund the fucking up of most banks in the country with a million dollars. Pay people $50 a whack to go to the banks as fake customers and clog up their desk people all day. You could get people in ever major city to really fuck up the banks.

Everyone in this sub is in the top 1%, or at least their parents are.

A bunch of people with comfy lives and nothing but time to bitch about perceived world controlling elites.

your average millionaire is not in the 1%

Why don’t we just take the 99% and move them into the 1%?

Let's talk about the 0.01% instead, banking families and all that jazz

Why? Because reducing the target of all your wrath into a neat package is convenient? Even billionaires are people, too. Judge people by the merit of their actions, not the size of their bank account.

I hate the term "the 1%" as well, is that 1% of.. the whole world? Cause that's all of us. 1% of the USA? What about the Rothschilds etc.

It's an absurd term.

While I agree. It is the .01%, I think it's a bit more of a easy remember for people to say the 1% is using their wealth to manipulate the 99%

Lol people talk about "the 1%" as if they're an elected committee. Yes they're are definitely some bad people there but not all of them. The reason we have conspiracy is because we don't know. In these cases, being rich doesn't make you evil, but being evil can sometimes make you rich.

true and not only that. 99% of the 99% would do exactly same things like the 0.01% if they were ever taken into that club and receive all the benifits. human mind can be very sneaky.

Yes! Came here to say this.

99% vs 1% is THE CORRECT divide and conquer

FTFY

The federal reserve (a PRIVATE) bank needs to be audited

Reddit is one big circle jerk now for, the most part. Say that in any other thread and you’ll get crucified.

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Well it doesn't have to amount to that or be that extreme, you do have the other option of a civil war depending on how the chips fall and the guys at the top who set both up aren't fussy, they just want to see as many of you useless eaters dead, either way.

i cringe everytime i read a comment with “the Left” or “the Right”

It's actually Individualism vs Collectivism. There's a reason that bad people use Collectivism as a tool. It's much easier to control a herd than it is to control a whole slew of individuals, often with guns.

My primary metric when deciding someone is a good guy or a bad guy: Are they mostly advocating freedom for individuals, or freedom for groups? If it's groups, then chances are, they have a secret agenda (even unknowing) to control people.

That's not to say I believe in Anarchy or even Libertarianism. Extremes of anything are bad. We still need public roads and public parks are great. But those are still about empowering individuals and the entire society, not specific groups.

Collectivism is the great evil that seeks to enslave everyone.

Alternatively, collectivism is arguably responsible for creating basically everything you enjoy today. Without collectivism, we'd still be nomadic hunting tribes wandering around the world in familial groups.

Again, it's a balance. The reason the United States has been so successful is because we created a government that codified specific limits to the power granted to it. The founding fathers knew the danger of giving someone too much power, yet, as you say, you need some amount of organization to run the society.

What societies have been the biggest disasters in history? The ones with the strongest, collectivist governments: Soviet Union, Nazism, Italian Fascism, etc, etc, with the latest example being Venezuela. The Nazis nationalized hundreds of industries, including colleges and health care. European Democratic Socialism has only worked to the extent it has because they've kept a underpinning of Capitalism (along with the United States subsidizing their economies because they never needed a military). But even now, look at all the rot we're starting to see in the EU: Imprisoning people for speech. No rights to self-defense. Tyranny is alive and well, and is trying to get a foothold in the U.S.

You're saying now that "it's a balance" -- but you also called Collectivism "the great evil that seeks to enslave everyone", which is absurdly hyperbolic. By that logic, Individualism is the "great evil that seeks to divide us all."

Ultimately I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, as I agree that heavy, top down control of societies frequent ends poorly when the "wrong" people get the reins of government. But I don't see the point in demonizing collectivism explicitly when individualism can be just as destructive.

But I don't see the point in demonizing collectivism explicitly when individualism can be just as destructive.

That's where I disagree. It's always better to err on the side of individualism than collectivism. Too much individualism just means you need more private individuals taking up the slack via private organizations. Too much collectivism -- you're screwed. What can you do?

Collectivism is a necessary evil trading freedom for various benefits. It's necessary. But freedom is an extremely valuable coin that should only be spent when absolutely necessary.

But even now, look at all the rot we're starting to see in the EU: Imprisoning people for speech. No rights to self-defense. Tyranny is alive and well, and is trying to get a foothold in the U.S.

/r/ShitAmericansSay

Nice try Ayn Rand, but “individualism” is exactly what leads to societies where power is concentrated at the ultra-rich. Anarcho-capitalism. When you don’t have a government that protects consumers from corporate thuggery, protects elderly/veterans/disabled/minorities from disenfranchisement, or provides basic forms of social welfare such like Education and Health Care, you end up with extreme wealth disparity, poor health and education, low quality of life, etc.

Advanced societies require a MIXED system that promotes human development, social elasticity, and a strong, robust middle class.

Advanced societies require a MIXED system that promotes human development, social elasticity, and a strong, robust middle class.

It's almost as if that's exactly what I said, if you'd bothered to read to the end, instead of being triggered by the first sentence and skipping the rest.

The entire society, always. Which can only be achieved through the abolishment of class ideology. It's not some kind of conspiracy, it's pretty plainly laid out.

Make sure you set the proper temperature for proper high.

unless you're lucky enough to be in the deadzone.

Here's a conspiracy for you - they are actively trying to mess this sub up.

That's a conspiracy I can easily believe.

Because this sub is a think tank full of only the best and brightest of reddit?

I'm actually a bit depressed to say that you're not far off there. The other subreddits are really that much worse.

Here's something not cringeworthy:

It's not left vs. right, it's the State against YOU.

is this supposed to be sarcasm? considering i post this anytime and everytime i’m tired of seeing the words left and right? or are you agreeing with me, i can’t tell.

It's only supposed to be the truth.

oh word? i thought you were creeping through my history and mocking me lol

dayum, you're paranoid af xD

ain't nobody got time for dat

paranoid or affinity for attention to detail. the world may never know. haha

What happened to the middle?

Brigading on topics relevant to the establishment agenda.

Like this sub suddenly becoming pro-vax after the election?

Care to back that up with some proof? Or do you make it a habit to lump 600k+ minds into one opinion on a specific topic? I'll be considerate in my request, 1% of 600k is 6k, 1/2 of that is 3k. Show me a post on this subreddit with 3k total upvotes/downvotes that backs up your claim.

Either way, your thinking is dangerous and for the sake of reality I hope you don't throw labels (thereby narrowing your views) on everyone you meet irl as easily as you do for an entire subreddit of individuals you know nothing about personally.

The math here is skewed by arbitrary number generation. Take the mean up/down votes per post, that's the number you're looking for.

I think you mean after using common sense

Partisans from both sides attempt to game this forum in order to steer the narrative. This is a large demographic now. More people are questioning the system.

You mean defending...

We should shut it fown and start a mew sub

Whenever they get too big dhareblue brugades it

Is there another conspiracy sub that isn't so infested?

/r/trueconspiracy but it's dead now. A bunch if people tried to move over a year or two Ago but it ded

Yeah it turns out you need the crazies in a conspiracy sub to get things going. So taking all the level headed people and starting a new sub was never going to work

r/skeptic is ok.

Top post is literally anti-trump. I couldn't care less. I just wanna look at aliens n shit.

4chans X board.

Ugh... I haven't looked at anything conspiracy related in over a month. I'll probably unsub.

Unless someone makes r/aliensandshit or something!

r/aliensandshit

Is actually a great name for a subreddit.

Clear, to the point, and no ambiguity about content.

Subreddit has been created, come talk about aliens or the pyramids, or both even.

People with strong opinions and a lack of evidence arguing with other people with equally strong opinions who also lack evidence.

FTFY.

This.

I've gone back to lurking here. There's no point trying to discuss something on conspiracy any more; you either get shot down for not being on the proper political band wagon, or the post isn't designed for discussion and the poster isn't interested in any possibility of being even slightly wrong.

Wasnt there a study done recently that showed this was the only sub on reddit that has an almost perfectly balanced left and right balance? I mean that's just impressive for this site. Guess both sides can pretty much agree that the government are a bunch of pricks that if not constantly watched and questioned will try and fuck the populace over at first chance.

Quite right, and well said. Like Alex Jones, people who used to be aggressively anti-establishment have now become corporate little cocksuckers.

Anyone out there who sees this: If you lie for the corporate government, you're a traitor to our species. Please go to the beach, go for a swim, and just keep swimming.

First, learn to swim.

First, learn to swim.

Or better yet, don't.

It's a lyrics reference but something tells me they agree

Jon Stewart people who used ti br anti war anti establishment are now fbi bootlickers and lro war with Russia

Wut

If they don't know how to swim they won't get far enough from shore.

See you down in Arizona Bay!!

Upvoted for Tool reference.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky..

Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.

Followed by fault lines that cannot sit still

Followed by Maynard's henchmen searching the crowd for the youngest amd hottest girls which Maynard will uncerimoniously bed like a man whore.

No fucks given about your opinion Bro, but if Tool gets you bent out of shape. Slayer will surely make you lose your mind. Enjoy...

At least Slayer doesn't misrepresent themselves. Maynard is a tool.

The lead singer of slayer is catholic, so yea it is misrepresented. They call that showmanship in some parts.

As for your beef with Maynard/Tool, once again no fucks given.

Alright, you got me on the Slayer thing. Maynard is a whore bag who can't even seduce his own women, or shall we call them teenage girls, just sayin.

Upvoted for Bill Hicks reference!

Both would be correct. Tool got it from Bill Hicks.

The lead singer is a big fan. The same album features some recordings of Bill Hicks stand up during the bonus track.

The lead singer was close friends with Bill Hicks and did stand up comedy with him before becoming a singer for Tool.

What! That's awesome. Thanks for sharing.

Now I'm going to have this song stuck in my head all day, I'm not mad though

One great big festering neon distraction, I have a suggestion to keep you all occupied...

Learn to swim... Learn to swim... Learn to swim...

Mom's gonna fix it all soon... Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it beeeeeeeeee!

See you down in Arizona bay.

That's because we are in the bizarre situation where supporting the president is actually anti-establishment.

What a crock. What part of Trump or his cabinet is "anti-establishment" in your view?

I don't know, have you turned on the TV in the past year?

Yes. And?

Pretty much everything Trump does is the polar opposite of what the previous administration has done. His views of immigration, free trade, NAFTA, the EU. He is universally hated by the media, other governments, etc etc. Trump very much believes in the idea of national sovereignty, which most establishment politicians do not. They want a more integrated global system without borders.

You're such a tool, in the most literal sense. You really think the elite are against "free trade"? You believe the elite eugenicists are pro-immigration? The EU? What does the EU mean to you? Please tell me as I'm living in it and my view seems like it differs from yours. None of what you mentioned is even relevant. Bankers, corporations and weapons manufacturers rule the Earth and Trump is theit golden boy. But for single issue voters like yourself shitting on some broke ass migrant family is all someone needs to win your heart. Shallow and cold!

No, the elite are complete for free trade without any kind of barriers or tariffs. And that normally means production goes to countries with the absolute lowest wages, and or non existent safety regulations or environmental protection. The EU is an obvious power grab. The goal is to eliminate borders completely and make all countries just states in one giant country, one currency, one EU army, one political system. Obama was the golden boy, he was given a free rein to do almost anything he wanted. Trump gets apposed just walking out his front door.

"The goal is to eliminate borders completely and make all countries just states in one giant country, one currency, one EU army, one political system." Your whole ideology relies on this bullshit. You realise the EU doesnt decide shit? Tariffs and immigration qoutas are decided by Parliament not the EU illuminati. Both Obama amd Trump were set up to complete objectives. Trump is just of the republican flavour. His hate from the media is staged, the mainstream Media have a growing liberal audience because mainstream conservatism and patriotism is a dying trend and so they are saying what people want to hear. When you hear CNN making fun of Trumps hands, it makes everyone come to the same conclusion. They out to get Trump. But in reality if they wanted to get rid of him they'd be talking about his business deals with shady countries or his overzealous support and rotating door for the Israeli lobby. Instead they talk about his hands and how he made a remark towards a pornstar. Straw men criticisms which give the illusion of opposition but really just push people to his side.

anti-communist propaganda?

You are so far off base it's ridiculous.

His hate from the media is staged

That's the crazy theory I've ever heard. Almost delusional. Trump was given a 1% chance of winning by the media, and universally mocked. In fact newsweek was so sure Hillary would win they printed a madam president edition. The media (CNN) even went as far as to help Hillary cheat in the debates by feeding her the questions before hand.

Tariffs and immigration qoutas are decided by Parliament not the EU illuminati.

Why are you talking about Illuminati ? Are you paranoid?

Your whole ideology relies on this bullshit, old anti-communist propaganda. So they aren't pushing for an EU army?

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-angela-merkel-endorses-eu-military-plan/

The anglo-zionist world order is tumbling down to a more multi-national zionist order, Trump is completely zionist controlled he even stated he ran because the iran deal which hardcore zionist hated, Clinton has been comprised from the beginning and the contender jeb was also comprised by the Epstein honeypot

I never mentioned the EU army. And they gave Trump far more airtime than any other candidate. Then gave Bernie and Jill Stein practically none, which is their standard tactic for ruining someone campaign. Ignore and distract. With Trump they covered him continously and ran him up Hillary who was possibly against the most hated and untrustworthy candidate ever.

Bernie didn't even get that far because he was cheated out of the primary. Jill Stein was never going to go anywhere.

Every US president has been just an actor. They just need to draw attention to stupid issues and thats it. Muddy waters makes it easy to catch fish.

As always, Fox News is the biggest msm news channel. Still firmly establishment.

Not to mention Sinclair broadcasting taking over a lot of local stations.

Well, it's a strange situation because Tucker Carlson has taken O'Reilly's spot, but he's against war in syria and he questioned the vegas shooting. Not exactly typical of Fox or MSM.

So Trump is anti establishment because Tucker Carlson opposes war in Syria. Got it.

Fox News is the biggest msm news channel. Still firmly establishment.

Read the post I was replying to, r/politics pleb. I didn't mention or imply anything about Trump.

Haha, politics pleb? I think I made one post there once?

My bad then, I just assumed that based on your tenuous grasp of logic.

How so?

Uses TV as a reference point and believes the MSM is genuine, what are you doing in this sub?

The part that just questioned the American intelligence community on an international platform yesterday.

He loved the intelligence community until they were tasked with investigating his potential corruption.

Trump is obviously an authoritarian. He supports anyone that is loyal to him, including establishment republicans, and he has lined his entire cabinet with bankers, billionaires, and corporate shills.

So there is nothing couldn't be spun as him being bad if it is an anti-establishment position of his?

That's because he has no ideals at all except whatever increases his fame or wealth. He hasn't a single redeeming quality.

The redeeming quality is that his wealth is not increased by war but by peace. So if he is selfishly pursuing peace in order to build more condos, I am all for it.

Trump doesn't build condos to make money, he launders money for others by using his shitty hotels.

That may be the case, but his profit isn't based on war. That's was the positive I was trying to highlight.

That's way too simplistic a view to take.

The redeeming quality is that his wealth is not increased by war but by peace.

Come on. Why do you think Trump has vastly increased the already bloated military budget. Why do you think he wants to create more military branches? Why do you think he wants military parades? Why do you think he schmoozes with militant authoritarians like Kim Jong Un and Putin?

How can you possibly think he wants peace?

Here's a thought experiment for you. If the investigation ends up recommending indictment for Trump, how do you think he will respond?

Here is the problem with this, we are caught in this catch 22 of evil, yes the CIA is an evil organization, and russia and china are actively trying to take down the CIA's and the current elites imperialist's strangle hold on geopolitics, but that does not de facto make them good, these are two of the most oppressive regimes in the world that are just trying to replace the current elites strangle hold with their own elites strangle hold. Yes the CIA is evil but that doesn't mean they are wrong in their assessment or that those that are fighting against them are any better than they are.

This is either disinfo or just disingenuous. It depends how far down you think this goes. Clearly, Trump is being attacked by establishment entities (intelligence community, MSM, captains of certain industry, foreign establishment, etc), so at that point you either have to:

• a) ignore the fact that the people who are usually pushing propaganda are pushing propaganda against him.
• b) assume this is a song and dance and an expected part of a bigger plan to accomplish...something (fill in the blank).

or

• c) he actually is a threat to TPTB and this is an attempt at a coup.

We know the lengths they'll go to remove a threat (JFK anyone?) and trying what they've done in the past in just having him assassinated would cause civil war, so they do what they have been doing since the 80s which is undermine and subvert. This, to me, feels just like the type of propagandistic fervor you'd see before a major war they're going to start. You honestly don't belong in this sub if you think this is just a grassroots uprising.

Which, at that point I'm left to decide whether it's scenario B or C, and I'm honestly not sure. Everything is a rich man's trick.

I personally think B. Just a circus show to increase support for both parties. Its impossible to be bi-partisan now days.

Yeah all those corporate goons he puts into power really screams anti-establishment to me. More like different-establishment. The 1% are battling it out right now among themselves.

How can you still believe this?

supporting the president is actually anti-establishment.

You guys need to give this stuff a rest. Trump has been colluding with the state for decades. He's a corporate darling. We live in a corporate state. Trump is the state.

Alex jones serves the government? would care to share some insight on how or why? I do realize he very much seems more like an entertainer now than anything else especially since he has this big news network I assume he makes serious money doing what he does. It would definitely be more productive trying to help people set up a better future for themselves even if it's just through information rather than making angry jokes about gay frogs.

One of the common theories is that he's a misinformation agent out to discredit conspiracy theorist. I don't buy it, for a misinformation agent he says the right things alot of time. I think he's just silly politics for views.

One of the issues is this is his living now. I've seen it before and I'll continue to see it in that when a person monetizes their life's passion their message always ends up diluted and polluted. They are now at the whims of the viewer and as their expenses go up their content has to be catered more to what they think people want to hear rather than what they want people to hear regardless of their reaction to it. I've seen this happen every single time in every single case they always end up becoming clowns to the masses in one way or another to increase revenue. He know's he's a meme and he's going to play up to it knowing it generates more dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJEOxWpTfw

He is endorsed by the president of the united states as one of the few accurate news sources. The president has said, on multiple occasions, that Alex Jones is one of the few news programs he constantly watches.

Alex Jones also, in turn, has changed quite a bit of his content from anti-establishment (he was against both Bush and Obama) to practically sucking the cock of the president and coming up with every excuse not to blame the president for government actions that not even 19 months ago, he said were Obama's fault.

He makes the cash based on controversy, but he interestingly has always been able to incite the anti-establishment crowd regardless of the politics of that crowd. He's now fully establishment, but has tried to also keep on his crowd by differentiating 'the establishment' and 'the deep state.' As if there has ever been any difference.

Obama or trump? is trump a puppet too? Alex Jones never seemed like an anarchist to me, he's always seemed to be a right leaning person and trump being on the right makes it sensible for him to be on his side. You're right though he should be able to dig up dirt on him not just get on his nuts. I would assume he's of the mind that there's enough leftist nonsense as it is and he doesn't need to add more fuel to their fire. Then again if he did do that he could potentially help unite the right and the left. Until the right left bullshit comes to an end this country's gonna be fighting each other over petty nonsense.

I have no clue, but maybe this link will help you?

trolololo

Obama or trump?

Trump

is trump a puppet too?

All Presidents since 1880 are puppets, but Trump is a puppet to a different master (hint: not the American people)

Alex Jones never seemed like an anarchist to me,

He has called for war multiple times against Obama's "tyranny"

he's always seemed to be a right leaning person

His work in the early 2000s matched other conspiracy theorists at the time, which is most assuredly anti-right.

You're right though he should be able to dig up dirt on him not just get on his nuts. I would assume he's of the mind that there's enough leftist nonsense as it is and he doesn't need to add more fuel to their fire. Then again if he did do that he could potentially help unite the right and the left. Until the right left bullshit comes to an end this country's gonna be fighting each other over petty nonsense.

It should be establishment versus anti-establishment, however the right has spent the last 10 years courting the anti-establishment crowd and brain washing a large portion of them (every thing from tea-party movement that was confirmed to have been started by Republican billionaires to discredit Bush-era regulations, to the modern 'alt-right')

However, instead of seeing that they were duped and now the people that used them to strengthen establishment power are in complete control of the government -- they're doubling down, saying there's a massive conspiracy, but instead the current anti-establishment crowd is the one secretly controlling everything from the shadows preventing the establishment from being the good guys.

He's pro Trump. Trump is the president. That connection is... I mean it can't be put any more plainly.

Does trump serve the globalist tyranny?

Or just take a long walk off a short dock...

How creative. Touching. You touched me.

Not mine, however, it's a very old saying from way back that the swimming comment suddenly brought back to mind. A slightly more civil and interesting way to tell somebody to "get lost".

The sad part, most of the time they dont even realize they're lying for the corporate government. They create so many opinions about the oh so many things they read. They cant be right every time they speak, but they dont really realize that either. Sometimes it's better not to speak. In reality, its the large majority of time that is better spent in silence, but they dont realize that. Think long and hard next time you all share your opinions and feelings on every issue you recognize. Use your brains, not your mouths.

Can you elaborate on his corporate cocksucking? I stopped listening to him long ago when it became apparent that he wasn't genuine when he broke up a Ron Paul protest in 2008.

I haven't listened to what hes up to lately. Please share more.

Lately he's been hawking his own 'health' products from his own massive company. And he's been backing the corporate darling, Trump. But you know all this, you're just wasting both our time(s).

I told you I stopped listening to him. How would I know?

Thanks for saying the words Trump and corporate together. Super informative...

Would you become a corporate shill if you got paid 6 figures plus for stiring the pot? I know I would

Would you become a corporate shill if you got paid 6 figures plus for stiring the pot? I know I would

Then you're a lost soul. May I prescribe 5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms at your next convenience. Open your eyes up.

Is there a post like this in every sub?

Why would there be? This is supposed to be a conspiracy sub. Anyone and everyone who has ever researched even just confirmed conspiracies would know that there is no such thing as democrats or republicans. It’s a left right paradigm used by sociopath elites to distract, divide and conquer. When you see people debating politics in this sub, they are either lost on Reddit or paid to saturate the content. Anyone that would argue with this statement are one of the two.

Shut up libtard

Lol. I just got done explaining how the left and right are part of the same monster. I guess that’s a big problem on Reddit though. Retards that can’t comprehend what they just read. Either that or you’re a paid shill. Both are pretty sad.

I don't get paid I work for Christ

So you’re a dumbass? Lol.

Do not offend my religion

Are you one of those Reddit crybabies who can’t handle it when anonymous people call them out on their bullshit. You’re in a conspiracy sub. If you truly cared about your religion you would study every aspect of it. A good place to start is right here in this sub.

"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.". Napoleon Bonaparte.

Wow a Wikipedia quote

So smart

So it’s not relevant because it’s not in the Bible? Lol. It’s a fucking quote. I didn’t get i from Wikipedia but I did find this. It’s on Wikipedia, so by your own logic, it’s so smart. Lol

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So it’s not relevant because it’s not in the Bible?

Exactly

It’s on Wikipedia, so by your own logic, it’s so smart. Lol

The Devil is also smart.

Lol. Well that answers my initial question.

All answers come from God

Is that what you were told as an altar boy? Lol.

Not really, but I did get raped

Ohh that sucks. Did you tell Jesus about it?

It was a rhetorical question, I've seen it in every sub.

Lol. How? This sub isn’t a political sub. This sub is about conspiracies. That’s why the post was relevant. If you were in the Donald, the post might be asking why left wing liberals are controlling the sub but it doesn’t. If you were in march against trump it would ask why right wing conservatives control the sub but it doesn’t. This is relevant to this sub because like I said, it’s not a political sub. Seeing posts that glorify the left or right while demonizing the other is not what this sub is for. It’s the equivalent of subscribing to the Star Trek sub but seeing post about Star Wars all day. This sub will light knew about operation mockingbird. So why do I see sources that lead to the mainstream media? You can learn about John Kerry and George Bush both being part of the skull and bones society. So why do I hear debates about the left and the right they are obviously on the same team? You get it now? Or 9/11 was an inside job and how is this possible without the cooperation of both the left and right?

You must be thick, my comment is referring to the "this sub isnt what it used to be" you're making it deeper than it needs to be.

So a bunch of subscribers noticed that the sub isn’t what it used to be and you have a problem with that? Are you insinuating that the sub is fine?

No, I'm saying I find it odd that literally every sub isnt what it used to be. Maybe that's the case. I'm just tired of people complaining everywhere I go.

I only see it here but I also don’t subscribe to any political subs. If that’s what you’re referring to (political subs) read about operation mockingbird and cointelpro. It’s a good explanation as to why you’re probably seeing similar posts in other subs that discuss policies and government.

I'm well aware of them both. I'm following the conspiracy sub... thank you though. Maybe I'm the odd one out here I dont know.

I’ve noticed similar posts in this sub a lot lately but at the same time, I absolutely agree. I can’t talk shit on trump without being called a libtard and I can’t talk shit on Hillary without being called a Trumpet or Russia troll. It’s gotten pretty ridiculous. In no way do I support either side of the government but I’m constantly being put in one of these groups. This should be a sub where we openly discuss how elite powerful sociopaths conspire against us. After all, it’s us vs them. Not, left us vs right us.

I understand your point completely. And agree 100% this sub is for the opens minded, not the already decided.

That's normal. People like to complain. It's a natural part of human communities. Most of the time it's just people complaining to complain, irriated that things have changed from their nostalgia glory days. Sometimes, their complaints are real. I can't really tell you how to spot the difference, though.

This sub isn’t a political sub. This sub is about conspiracies.

Aren't the majority of conspiracies political in some way?

No. That’s what cointelpro are making it seem like. Real conspiracy have nothing to do with politics. Using money to influence an election is not a conspiracy, it’s common practice in a capitalist democracy. it doesn’t matter where that money comes from. Real conspiracies are things like the JFK assassination, 911, the Moonlanding, Sandyhook and so on. All those conspiracy need you to be focused on politics instead of seeing what’s really going on. All those conspiracies need complicity from all sides of the government. Focusing on a person like Trump is what their illusion of democracy is supposed to accomplish.

Yes there will always be people who think "this _____ isnt what it used to be" who make posts like this that does nothing but ask for people to agree with them and people to disagree.

"Yes this sub/game/TV show sucks now" Next comment down "Honestly I think it's as good as it has ever been" Next comment "Its always been this way. You just weren't ___ then"

I am personally ok with the back and forth partisan discussionions. Kind of leaves us in the middle. The open racism I often see in this sub really worries me. Dividing people based on skin color and class are the oldest tricks in the book for people in power. We need to get over that shit real quick.

The open racism I often see in this sub really worries me

Can you give some examples, I hear this claim being made all the time on /r/topmindsofreddit, but even they never source anything

I am curious as well. I hope its not what I think it is.

how about a thread where interments camps in a authoritarian country is praised just because it targets Muslims ? https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8n1str/muslims_forced_to_drink_alcohol_and_eat_pork_in/ The whole thread is a mess. There is a particular user on /r/conspiracy who posts race baiting or straight up racist post 24/7 but I'm afraid I would be banned if I called him out

They're a race?

There it is.

Yeah... my SiL is Muslim and BiL is Christian. There's no Christian race either.

You can change your religion, you cannot change your race.

Maybe don't conflate the two.

They're still linked, usually whenever people draw charcactures of muslims I never see them draw it as a a white guy wearing a polo

Yeah, but who ever characterized a group simply with a representation of it's outliers? I mean there are ginger muslims in the UK, but when you look at that pie slice it's an abismaly small portion of the total populace of muslims.

It's just a representation issue. For example: when people around the world think americans, they generally think a white person, not because we're all white, but because it's just common knowledge that it's the dominant demographic.

Which is what I'm saying, acting like people dont usually think of muslims as darker is disingenuous

Either way, on a conspiracy sub we shouldn't be celebrating any overly authoritarian act

They are linked in simple depictions, of which I agreed

The assumed link that if you dislike a religion, you have to dislike the person is a hot load of bullshit.

I doubt people who hate scientology are anti-white. It's bigoted to assume anti-Islam is anti-brown.

Sure you can dislike an ideaology without disliking the person, but in reality it doesnt always work like that

Shit skin, sand nigger, goat fucker, etc etc. I've never seen these insults used against white muslims. And for a lot of people that already dislike minorities based on skin color, it's not a huge stretch for them to also racially discriminate against darker muslims.

Well since you've never hear it happening, then it must never happen.

As far as darker muslims, boy howdy you are not going to like how severely racist most muslim brown people are.

People think they see a unified POC demographic, but it is a fairytale. I've seen first hand how brown people will shit talk other muslims because they are 3 shades darker.

I didn't say it never happened lmao, I said it's not always clean and perfect and works out that way. Obviously people can strictly dislike a religion, but humans are emotional and hatred can take people much further than that

And yes muslims can be racist. Every race can. Point is irrelevant though

Jesus, no. This is such a bullshit rationalization for bigotry.

Walk up to a Muslim, Christian or Jew and say "don't believe in that" and see where it gets you.

Actually, what do you believe? OK great, that's illegal now, change it for me real quick.

That is absolutely the worst argument.

No shit you cant just tell people not to be indoctrinated. Don't pretend like that's how it happens, neither of us are that stupid.

Getting anyone of any religion to change their minds takes patience, care, and a whole lot of time.

I was catholic, but I left the church. My wife was muslim, but she's left them too. I've a ton of in-laws that are still muslim to this day. I know what I'm on about. I live it.

OK, cool. So are you an atheist?

I want to make it clear that I am going to throw you in jail for that. Now, with that knowledge, are you going to just bend over and start going to church again?

Probably not. Do you think if I stuck a gun in your wife's face she would automatically want to praise Allah again?

If I said that everyone who is pro - choice is going to jail, is that ok because they can just "Change their minds" to be pro life?

You are using a very lame excuse (based only on the laws of the country you live in!!!!!!) to be a bigot towards people you don't like.

Have you ever objectively thought about the idea of choice and what it means?

wut.

Where the fuck are you getting jail from.

It's an example, doofus.

of what

What governments have done and will do again to people they don't like or understand.

Obviously religion is a choice. But it's not on par with "choices" like, say, choosing beef over chicken.

Religion, philosophy, politics to some extent; all have bases rooted in your upbringing and subconscious. No person under the age of 15 has ever gone to church via a choice, at the very least not a choice they ever realistically considered. That blurs into adulthood where now most of all the decisions you ever made in life are based on some kind of personal philosophy you were more or less indoctrinated into.

By the time it comes to a crossroads most people literally do not have the ability to just "choose" a different path. It's a main reason why people that get raised and braibwashed in cults have such a hard time coming back even though the concept they've been following is batshit. (see scientology)

As an exercise: Find something you and your wife disagree on. Try to change each other's minds, diligently. When yo inevitably fail, imagine if someone came along and said "we are going to kill you if you don't change your mind" can you or her sincerely change your mind at that point?

Bigotry is based on ignorance. Case in point...

Islam is a political/religious ideology not a good damn race.

Yeah, mate. That's why white dickheads scream "Go home to your own fucking country!" at women in hijabs.

That happened here in this sub?

Glad to see you aren't interested in the discussion at hand. Good on your for pushing your narrative though.

Nah buddy, you have to go outside to see stuff like that. I know the thought terrifies you.

I see, you have nothing. Thanks for trying at least.

"'If it doesn't happen to me in my mom's basement, then it's not real," says reddit shut-in. Real world laughs harder and moves on. Stay tuned for sports and weather.'

your personal attacks and lack of evidence says it all.

It does, actually. Your inane assertion doesn't warrant anything with greater depth.

How disappointing.

Obviously Arab Muslims are specifically targeted.

No one is going after Kazakhs or Indonesians.

The story link specifically is about native Chinese Muslims. What are you even talking about... are you that stupid?

I posted that link because I remembered about it and it was easy to find since I commented on it, of course Islam is not a religion but I feel that posts encapsulates the shift this sub (more like reddit and the internet in general) has taken, where human rights abuse does not matter just because they are targeting the minority they dislike.

Here are some more links, it may be arguable that some of these links are not racist in the dictionary sense of the word but you can definitively see the racial superiority undertones https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7tauqe/why_are_the_genocides_of_people_of_color_native/dtc5kkp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/81btoq/virtually_no_media_coverage_on_sa_parliament/dv2qw6d/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8xd0qy/up_to_15000_white_south_africansboers_are/e23aq8d/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8xd0qy/up_to_15000_white_south_africansboers_are/e23ms87/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8xsypd/til_the_nearextinction_of_the_american_bison_was/e25l6wp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8yo8vt/native_americans_who_protested_dakota_access_get/e2ctyiy/ (this one might be a really bad joke)

This was a quick search, I won't link to it but there is a whole sub dedicated to racism in /r/conspiracy.

Those are all negatively down voted, if anything they go against your narrative.

Where did I say they are popular opinions? The post I replied wasn't talking about the popularity of these comments but just their existence? Also I am not trying to push any narrative. I am mostly a lurker and saw his post and since I feel strongly about the increasing racial and ethnic tension all over the world I just thought I'd share my thoughts

The open racism I often see in this sub really worries me

Why are you worried about open racism on this sub when this sub condemns it in EVERY example you gave?

increasing racial and ethnic tension all over the world I just thought I'd share my thoughts

you are responsible for this yourself in this example right here. You post about open racism being on here when it is condemned here.

Stop being the problem.

The open racism I often see in this sub really worries me

Why are you worried about open racism on this sub when this sub condemns it in EVERY example you gave?

Downvoting is disagreement not equal condemnatiom, also why are you speaking of this sub as one entity? Of course the majority doesn't agree but you don't need the majority to change undecided and easy to manipulate minds.

increasing racial and ethnic tension all over the world I just thought I'd share my thoughts

you are responsible for this yourself in this example right here. You post about open racism being on here when it is condemned here.

Stop being the problem.

If merely discussing it heightens it then the problem is with the people letting hate distort their world view, not me, and I do not appreciate you insinuating that

But were they downvoted during the initial period after they were posted, or after left-leaning subs migrated in? Karma counts change dramatically depending on exposure.

Maybe proponents of affirmative action and calls for race-based reparations.

The racism argument is ridiculous. I rarely, if ever, see anybody being racist. That's a cop out statement and agenda in its own.

There is a shitload of anti-Jewish rhetoric and propaganda. It's not just "fuck Israel". Outright lies and propaganda are constantly peddled here about Jewish Bolshevism, the character of Jewish people, and what 14yo Soros did during the war. It's like fucking Stormfront sometimes. Shame on you for attacking a guy just because you're not personally paying attention.

I didn't attack anyone and I will not be shamed for stating a basic opinion. Back to /r/politicalhumor.

You said they were progressing an "agenda" but somehow your input is "a basic opinion". That's totally hypocritical. You presented their views as "ridiculous" and a "cop out". Yeah, I think it was a very deliberate attack.

If you don't like my opinion that doesn't mean it's an attack. They are simple words on a screen, calm down.

If you don't like his opinion that doesn't mean it's an agenda. He said he saw racism. I have too. You tried to present that as absurd and disingenuous. That's not just your opinion. I think the word is gaslighting.

calm down.

Should I use less punctuation?

Stop attacking me.

Well I had someone tell me that interracial marriages shouldn't be allowed and he had more up votes than down votes. I am not calling you or this sub racist. I just hope we can stop with the racism and focus on the conspiracies.

This is the result of pro-globalism astroturfing. If the admins deleted this sub it would be obvious that they are pushing an agenda, so this is the result.

Yeah, successful conspiracy sub gets astro turfed to oblivion. Who would have thought that eh?

It's a holding manoeuvre until they can clamp down on the free speech (like you tube, fbook and twitter).

Yeah, successful conspiracy sub gets astro turfed to oblivion. Who would have thought that eh?

Well, /r/politics went from pro-Bernie to pro-Hillary in 24 hours. That doesn't happen with admin complicity.

Well, /r/politics went from pro-Bernie to pro-Hillary in 24 hours. That doesn't happen with admin complicity.

It happened because shareblue bought out the mod slots and started deleting anything that went against their narrative.

IMPOSSIBLE! it was so organic, just look at how active the hillary sub was!

Also hilarious to see politics go from majority pro gun to full on authoritarian gun control in such a short time.

The media is a pied piper for large segments of the population. Wherever it goes, millions will follow and happily change their minds as needed.

Media has been anti gun for decades, just sad(not surprising) to see how easily alternative media/sites can be influenced.

Hell this sub is currently seeing the effects of that now.

Don’t forget the day after the election, when politics was actually politics for a brief moment.

Australian here. Full disclosure: yes, I have political preferences and I don't believe that any party anywhere is "the same" as their opponent. Smartarsery aside though:

I guarantee you though that, for every person who subscribes to this sub who is genuinely, sincerely non-partisan to the bone, there are a hundred who pretend to be to circumvent criticism.

Bingo

I don't believe that any party anywhere is "the same" as their opponent

People said the same thing in the illusory democracy of medici-controlled Florence. Game doesn't change, the pieces just become more sophisticated and the rules become more complex.

If partisanship doesnt manifest in the message communicated I dont have an issue with it

Or that not everyone is American????

Same deal all over the world. Divide and conquer.

okay, out of curiosity. "they" have made it their plan to "divide and conquer" so what do you do about it? That statement can be said about taking pretty much any and every political position.

We can only grow as a species if we are headed in the same direction. How to achieve this is something way beyond us I'm afraid.

So do nothing and die, smug on our own cynicism. Thanks for trying?

Doesn't it all make you cynical sometimes? In a better mood I'd tell you that I'd be where I need to be when something positive might go down.

Well, for starters I don't buy into the idea that there's a cabal of powerful elites that are pushing every political position. For instance you're going to have a vastly disproportionate amount of money spent by billionaires that push for things like right to work policies, and far less pushing for unionization.

It also doesn't really matter to me if someone who I don't like is trying to push for the policies I want since I want those policies for my own reasons. It doesn't matter to me if some Russian agent tried to push BLM narrative one time because i agree with the premise of BLM.

You don't have to believe in a cabal, what's in plain sight is more than enough. Lobbyists from a plethora of organizations that have politicians in their pockets push agenda's. Some shadowy secret government thing doesn't need to be a talking point here.

if it's from a plethora of organizations then it's no longer "divide and conquer". It's just various groups trying to enact their policies. I'd also note that, like, 90% of the money going to buy politicians aren't coming from progressive pockets to push progressive policies. I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that the kochs alone outspent the top 10 Unions 3-1, that's just 2 dudes. Not to even mention money coming from outside like Russia funneled through the very not progressive NRA.

I mean this is a conspiracy sub. Just because you're not American doesn't mean the American government isn't out to fuck you over

Yeah, but the difference is that the American government is out to fuck over both your government and you as an individual.

Don’t get me wrong, as an American I wish our government would go fuck itself and leave everyone else alone.

"Any hole's a goal."

-U.S Government circa 2018

Melania Trump - Snatch Game, 2018

Exactly the problem right here

Shut up Russian bot

Aquaria, turning looks and stunting pretty since 1996

I am American.

Yeah, if your not American there is a good possibility they want a piece of you. Where if your an American, they've already got a piece of you.

Either live inside America and pay for the bombs with your taxes, or live outside America and risk being bombed.

Literally why I will not leave the US....yet

I'm just visiting this planet so your human centric discussions are pretty discriminatory.

Wonderful.

Fascism is global.

No it isn’t.

Yeah it is....find one example in one place, anywhere in the world where fascism hasn't harmed the poor.

Everything harms the poor.

Inaccurate statement

It would help if we just shut down that sort of talk here. This isn't the place for it. It's the same as slamming anti-vaxxers here. There's a reason they exist, they're not entirely off-base, and this is meant to be the very place they can talk about that stuff. This isn't the place for towing the party line. Fine to "respect everyone's opinions," that's just fine, but this isn't the place to come and spout that kind of rhetoric. This is for the other perspectives. This is exactly why the shills and their kind have so much success here. Either the purpose of the sub is honored or there's really no point in even having it. You don't see them over at r/science entertaining speculative material and this sub needs to set similar requirements for returning its integrity.

Makes sense. Why all the downvotes?

The ones doing the stuff I talked about up there downvote what they don't want people to realize.

When I started reading this sub several years ago, it was all articles about 9/11, Bush, fringe weirdness, etc. When Trump came into play, the same off-the-wall shit that was going on in T_D started bleeding into this sub. It really became an offshoot. Then a bunch of people were making this same post, "What happened to this sub?"

Fast forward to Trump being elected and generally doing a horrific job, this sub was being constantly called out elsewhere as being an offshoot of T_D. Subs mocking people here, i.e. Top Minds of Reddit started popping up to highlight the pro Trump/Putin nonsense, which of course was interpreted by the pro Trump/Putiners as vote manipulation (those RU bots haven't figured out to manipulate this sub yet?).

Now we have threads all the time calling for the mods to censor this sub and do mass banning like the T_D fascists. I don't know about you, but that is as anti-intellectual and dishonest as it gets, and I don't spend a lot of time reading the posts here anymore.

Just my two cents, but I know I've seen the same concerns raised.

generally doing a horrific job

Aside from social injustice that riles people up for no reason with shit that has no effect on them. What has been so bad?

Honest question

I legitimately haven't agreed with a single thing he's done. That's as simple as I can make it for you.

That's unfortunate.

I cant say my life has meaningfully changed from presidents, bush>clinton>bush>obama>trump that I can sit here and say wow hes worse!

I hear this argument a lot, but if you didn't care about what men with the amount of power that bush>clinton>bush>obama>trump have all shared wield said power, I don't know why you'd have reason to discuss those people on a sub that is supposed to subvert the mainstream narrative.

Highlights the fact they are puppets and you are gaslighting a thread, participating in a brigade, and spreading your own propaganda.

There it is. Everything you don't want to hear is a brigade. You need your safe space, etc. Gotcha.

This is exactly the shenanigans I was talking about.

Saying everything Trunp has done is bad is pretty hyperbolic as are the other comments here. Just my opinion

Not really. Its all been pretty objectively bad.

Whats bad about tax repatriation?

What tax repatriation has actually occurred to date? Of that revenue, however meager it may be, what fraction of it actually ended up circulating in the economy as opposed to being used for buybacks and bonuses?

LOLOLOLOL Are you fucking serious with this bullshit line of questioning?

What tax repatriation has actually occurred to date?

You cant be serious, honestly.

A lot. And Im done with your shit in just one link, so please eat shit.

All told, the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) reported, some $305.6 billion returned to the U.S. from overseas accounts. That's a $1.2 trillion annual rate, and far more than the $35 billion one year before.

Pretty good for just Q1 data.

My favorite line and it will make you squirm:

In short, the Trump tax cuts did it.

Got any more fucking stumpers for me? Because this is a rather simple case of anything is better than nothing.

Just one that you seemed to miss:

what fraction of it actually ended up circulating in the economy as opposed to being used for buybacks and bonuses?

Wait, i have a few first.

Did you imply that no money was repatriated?

Did you also consider off shore profits estimated at 2.6 trillion as meager?

Then did you try to catch me in an ah ha moment by posing a question that we both know is not quantifiable?

Talk about fucking dishonesty holy shit. Shoot yourself please

Wait, i have a few first.

Did you intentionally imply that no money was repatriated?

Nah, I implied that relative to the amount of money that's overseas, the amount that we actually repatriated (and the tax levied on that money) was a pitiful fraction of what was actually owed.

Did you also consider off shore profits estimated at 2.6 trillion as meager?

Of course not, there's a ton of money overseas, especially since that estimate also doesn't account for personal holdings in tax havens.

Then did you try to catch me in an ah ha moment by posing a question that we both know is not quantifiable?

How on Earth is it not quantifiable? Compare stock buybacks from the last few years to stock buybacks from this year, etc. Just because you're not competent at the craft doesn't mean it's not quantifiable.

Talk about fucking dishonesty holy shit. Shoot yourself please

Reported, I guess?

Edit: one final question

Are you ok with collecting little to no tax revenue on off shore profits as it stood? In this specific case, isnt any tax revenue better than what we had collected before?

Getting tax revenue is great; we should make sure we get more of it. One-time stimulus is a horrible policy for sustaining policy, and won't do anything to curb continued withholding overseas.

You are not worthy of a response.

Lucky you

Thanks

Just want to say, my Russian troll comment got more replies AMD downvotes than any post in a long time... it's not proof but it doesnt make me feel less like there are bots or trolls here. One reply to me makes 0 sense

Im not sure what you are referring to here. I see time and again vote manipulation and brigading. I notice it mainly from /r/politcs posters. Its hardly ever on articles/comments supporting Trump.

My general browsing and observation normally sees massively inflated comment scores on pro Democratic or msm talking point comments. My favorite kicker is reddit gold.

The community here isnt supportive of admins, so gold giving should definitely raise a flag.

I feel many bots post with canned responses to political conversations here

I'll be honest I dont exactly remember, and maybe didn't post correctly attaching that to your comment. As long as I've been on reddit I'm horrible on mobile with how I post.

I agree with you, I see it outside the default subs as well.

If it isn't political its marketing brigades

Oh wait did you edit after you post? Hold on.

I added the rest yeah, sorry?

Yeah, I did sorry I def should have placed where.

I added everything after lucky you after realizing lucky you was a shitpost

Specifics..... Now All I hear is this candy ass bitching with no specifics

Well you should read on the TPP then. If you agree with that i dont know what to tell you

Yeah, Trump begging to be back on the revised TPP that no longer includes copyright overreach is kinda a pussy move that I don't agree with.

so you agree that the democrat stance was even worse then. ok.

We did t get further involved in Syria even after the false flag attacks.

That's a big positive in my books.

We didn't let gun control narrative move forward after any of the shootings, I'll take that.

Supreme Court picks have been acceptable, and way better then if Hillary would have been in charge. So far so good, though if the crypt keeper dies that might go out the window.

TPP pulled.

Parris Accord pulled.

How was pulling out of the parris accords good

It didn't nothing to actually work towards a solution, would have damaged our economy and given an advantage to China.

It was zero grain for a large potential loss.

Put people in positions that shouldn't be there. Profiting off of our tax money by redirecting it to his own properties. We are being scammed. That effects us. Does that answer your question? Perhaps try paying attention to something other than right-wing propaganda. But I'm no Democrat. They're all trying to scam us.

Guess its a long term scam

Thanks for including that part about not being Dem either, that's the worst thing about criticizing Trump on reddit.. "but what about the..." "No, FUCK THEM ALL"

Thats kinda weak actually. From all the hysteria the implication is DT is the second coming of Hitler. Heck its not even implied in some circles. So you dont think an oilman should run the epa etc. Fine there are questionable appointments in any administration. Profiting in his hotels? Maybe. Not something that hasnt been done oh prolly 35 or so times before...and so much much worse ahem Haliburton. Ahen Clintons.

So yeah typical but hardly "destroying our country" or "hitleresque"

Thats the point Im trying to make.

Anybody who says this is the worst by far is pushing a political message.

His trillion + dollar deficit is not a sound fiscal policy. We are coming out of the recession, and should be padding for the next one instead of cutting revenue and increasing spending.

We are coming out of the recession,

What recession?

I currently didn't vote for more spending or want that!

2008, as of 2016 we were finally getting to pre-2008 levels.

We're arguably past that now, but as Trump's Tariff's take effect(the same tariffs that failed previously), and as the reality of our exponentially accelerating debt thanks to the GOP spending bill take effect, we're going to crash again.

Reversal of Dodd-Frank and the destruction of the CFSB by Trump also really, really makes for an easy recession. Be prepared for sub-prime debt to sky rocket again (it's already spooling up) and when mixed with the still unfixed Student Loan issue, we're going to see at least half the country default on their debt shortly after the next presidential election at the latest. Which will lead to another 8 years of a democrat using all of their political capital trying to just restore the US.

Im not sure I vibe with saying we are just coming out of a recession after 10 years. Im not sure what the CFSB is but am familiar with the CFPB. Of which not Trump, but US courts determined its structure questionable. Afterall Trunp made a pick for it's head a month ago.

So with that said, these are GOP plans, not Trump. Student loans are concerning but not unmanagable. And Dodd-Frank is still the same as it was

https://www.brookings.edu/research/no-dodd-frank-was-neither-repealed-nor-gutted-heres-what-really-happened/

So it seems your facts are a little misconstrued and am dubious at best of your claims

I was referring to the 2008 recession. Which technically we have recovered from, but there is still a pretty serious hangover. We are not in nearly as good a shape as pre-2008. Inflation is way up, wages are down and personal debt is high. Not saying that things will go as bad as '08, but we should be cautious, and increasing the deficit while stirring up trade disputes is not being cautious.

The GOP hasn't exactly been good on spending. Their platform has always been to increase military and defense spending, whether there is a need for it or not.

No. We didn’t recover at all. Rates are impossibly low. Debt is historically high. Tax stimulus already spent. Quantitative easing already done and failed. Wages are stagnant. There’s no recovery apart from asset inflation. Your boy Obama and his bernake done nothing but inflate the history ending bubble.

When Trump came into play, the same off-the-wall shit that was going on in T_D started bleeding into this sub.

That was right around the time I unsubscribed, there was such a tidal wave of utter bullshit it was easier just to fuck off elsewhere and ignore it.

The same off the wall shit from r politics started appearing around that time

The ridiculous russian conspiracy theories

swing that partisan dick!

Lol "reee the republicans!"

"What? How DARE you criticize dems! Stop being so paetisan!"

Ressentiment

Your terrible spelling and grammar is out in force today.

Do you expect any less?

Dems are worse.

Tbh you can be both as bad as each other sometimes, nothing more than different sides of a double faced coin to me.

Wowww. This is exactly what we are talking about. You are the one being partisan. The other commenter is definitely right about r/politics/

Why the fuck r u downvoted

Except the Russian conspiracy theories actually have evidence backing them up. You can't equate that with pizzagate or the uranium bullshit. When you treat both sides the same you are tacitly supporting the side that spews the most bullshit.

the Russian conspiracy theories actually have evidence backing them up

"The CIA said so" is now unassailable evidence on r/conspiracy. Never thought I'd see the day.

Can you point out any intelligence agencies that have suggested there wasn't any Russian interference? Off the top of my head, I know that several US, Dutch, German, Australian, and UK services have all pointed to various forms of meddling, but I haven't heard anybody assert that Russia was actually innocent.

Can you point out any intelligence agencies that have suggested there wasn't any Russian interference?

I think his point is he doesn't trust any agency. Y'know, being a conspiracy theorist, and all. Though to actually answer your questions, I'd like to point out the Russians have probably, at some point, claimed their innocence. It would seem a little weird if they hadn't.

He does completely trust the US president though, lol.

Yup and now T_D and many here are taking Putin's word as absolute truth (the Hilary $400 million quote) which is just bonkers to me.

exactly. I came here from the old above top secret forums and everyone had some very well researched and educated discussion.

This is exactly what OP is talking about. You try to spin this as one side, when that is not at all true.

You forgot how this sub hated Hillary for the last 10 years. Along with 9/11, we talked about Uranium One, Benghazi, and the Clinton legacy of corruption and Obama's horrific job done with a pleasant smile. You forget that this sub was overrun by ShareBlue and instead say it was just all T_D. It was all just one side and you are bogus for pretending it was.

I guess you conveniently forgot what was happening here to push the same thing the bots have been saying, "OMG T_D herpa der!"

They wanna say the sub "all changed once Trump was elected" as if Pizzagate and the DNC emails in general didn't start steering our consciousness towards a place that people like him don't want it to go. Questioning the establishment, in REAL ways, besides "DAE LOL TRUMP CHEETO LOL DAE"

If you don't limit your conspiracy theories to Trump and Russia you can't get upvotes these days. I'm pretty sure it's in the rules?

either that or go after the sitting president's enemies.

Or it's TMOR, /r/politics and their 50+ spam subs

Funny how comments calling out T_D brigades such as this are alwaya upvoted and supported, yet comments calling out the brigades /r/politics and TMOR are always downvoted and mocked. Those T_D brigaders sure vote often against their interests.

"To learn who rules over you, find out who you're not allowed to criticize."

This comment, and many comments like it, is what's wrong with this sub.

Ha I’ve be been here for ten years. You have no idea how this place has morphed into the propaganda machine that it is now.

He has a pretty good idea.

This is why I can't listen to info wars anymore.

Man, AJ is a complete sell out cocksucker.

Controlled opposition. He's a mockingbird agent, watch.

His family is all CIA. Read up.

Imagine that.

I've actually thought that seemed likely for a while now but I haven't actually seen any evidence to confirm it.

Since when is Alex Jones a Fox News republican? And why does he STILL have a following after that?

I mean, he was always just playing a character, and more or less admitted to as much in family court, of all places.

not enough people have read understanding power by noam chomsky.

not enough people listen to bill hicks, george carlin et all.

and as a result we are being ass raped by the wealthy and powerful.

education, the printing press, the internet was supposed to open everyone eyes to this. instead we're livin' the same as workhouse peasants in victorian england.

Russian trolls happened

Ah. The layman's conspiracy.

You can't deny that they are a thing

Pretty brazen, telling someone what to think on /r/conspiracy.

Swing and a miss

Do you believe russian trolls are around every corner?

I'm sure they're "a thing," just like JTRIG bots, CIA bots, Israeli bots, EU bots...

Acting like a few dozen Russians are some outsized destructive force is just the same old Red-scare warmongering bullshit I thought most Americans had gotten wise too, but apparently not.

Lmao yeah I'm sure theres a better explanation, i'm open ears

That's my take on it. What happened to this sub is that Russia, vestiges of the USSR and the KGB, succeeded in their decades-long plan to take down democracy. They have been working forever to sow discord in the US and NATO countries that the west would tear itself apart. Trump, Brexit, the growth of the fascist movement throughout Europe? It's clear that the efforts of the former Soviet Union have now come to fruition.

All other conspiracies pale in comparison.

So economic considerations mean nothing?

No, they mean everything. The Russia-Trump conspiracy is entirely about money. Trump couldn't get loans because of his toxic history, turned to state-sponsored banks, private "investors" who were really Putin fronts, laundering money, and Russia got their hooks into Trump, seeing him as a useful idiot who they could use to continue undermining NATO and US power and sanctions.

And speaking of money, let's not forget, Putin is the richest man in the world, and is using that wealth and power to knock down barriers from becoming even richer.

Lmao you’re actually fucking retarded. Go write a novel.

Hey, even 9/11 fits better into this GOP/KGB world conquest conspiracy than middle eastern terror cells

So, this is their new ploy? Reverse psychology? Because from what I can tell is that this sub is now full of US government lickspittles.

They plant seeds and they follow as best as I can tell, but you're not wrong about that either, in my personal opinion

That's exactly what they want you to think.

More like Shareblue shills blaming their shit on Russian trolls.

If anyone out there seeing this will pay me to post please absolutely contact me.

I wish I was a shill hahaha lucky Russians

I never said that there weren't useful idiots, too. Shareblue hopes to propagandize people so that others who aren't paid end up shilling for them. See half of the posters on r/politics (the other half are shills).

Whoosh

Nice mainstream narrative! That's so underground conspiracy that the mainstream media is pushing it ruthlessly!

The irony is cringey

This. My bro just randomly sent me a 30 minute Rachel Maddow video where she is talking about how bad this Putin/Trump thing is (which I havent kept up with) and Im like dude really Rachel Maddow? Anyway I always try to explain to him like stop thinking the left is the answer to everything, they are all full of shit, ESPECIALLY talking heads like her.

So you admittedly haven’t paid attention to what’s happening and then purposely stay ignorant to it cause you don’t like Maddow?

No, not exactly that in the way you worded it. I go in periods off and on keeping up with what mainstream news narratives/stories are but I have been out of the loop on this one.

It is amusing that you say I am "purposely" staying ignorant cause I dont like Maddow though. She is not going to be my go to to hear whats going on so I gave her and that video a hard pass.

I purposely don't know what's going because it's not going to change anything for me. Open your eyes!

You're coming at it from the wrong angle. You and I know Rachel Maddow is full of shit, but if he already watches her then it's like you're trying to criticize his favorite show. You can't talk somebody out of a personal taste.

Instead you should show him things that the left has done which are unforgivable and blow their claims of being "tolerant" or "objective" out of the water.

Show him news articles like WaPo's "Is it okay to hate men?", or maybe stuff like Matt Damon and Henry Cavill making reasonable statements and getting torn apart by an outrage-fueled mob.

A subreddit dedicated to exposing/discussing conspiracies.. hmm I wonder why it's changed... /s

Team A vs. Team B.

That pretty much defines everything these days.

What’s with this partisan dick swinging bullshit? Are we all forgetting that the government doesn’t give a single shit about us? Are we forgetting the 1% are the one pulling the strings and making this divide greater so they can stuff their pockets. Democrats don’t care about you and neither do republicans they only care about how they can screw us over and get even richer.

Dude. We trust the FBI and CIA now. Where have you been?

Dude. We trust the FBI, CIA and media now. Where have you been?

Dude. You don't have to trust the FBI, CIA, or media to see what's happening. There is plenty of public evidence both direct and circumstancial.

Also, by implication not trusting the FBI, CIA, and media in this case means you are trusting Putin and the Russian state so...

Also, by implication not trusting the FBI, CIA, and media in this case means you are trusting Putin and the Russian state so...

"You're either with us or against us!"

That's often a manipulative and dishonest but it's sometimes true. It is true in this case. Either the American Intelligence community is lying or Putin is. There is no third way. To believe one is to disbelieve the other.

Nope, it's a plain-faced false dichotomy, and myopic as ever. They could both be lying!

Grounded folks can remain skeptical of both parties and insist on being presented evidence for each of their allegations

They could both be lying!

"Russia hacked the DNC."

"No we didn't."

They literally cannot both be lying.

Grounded folks can remain skeptical of both parties and insist on being presented evidence for each of their allegations

Sure, and anyone who's actually doing this (not just pretending to) concluded a long time ago that the Russians are far more likely to be lying.

People jumping to conclusions based on unsubstantiated information taken at face value from any intelligence agency or geopolitical figure are the ones pretending to be grounded

jumping to conclusions based on unsubstantiated information taken at face value from any intelligence agency

Is not necessary to conclude that the Russians are likely lying. Look no further than the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting (the emails were released by Don Jr. himself) and the emails between Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik. Those two pieces right there, which are publicly available, practically seal the deal.

Neither are remotely close to evidence that this was a hack was conducted by Russian military intelligence, as alleged by the FBI. Your insistance that this even resembles proof makes clear your prejudice

Neither are remotely close to evidence that this was a hack was conducted by Russian military intelligence

No, but the fact that we know both parties were motivated to collude makes it a lot easier to doubt the Russians' version of events.

"Russia hacked the DNC."

"No we didn't."

They literally cannot both be lying.

Not necessarily, "Russia" could mean anyone in Russia, or using a VPN that pipes through Russia, etc., making the first statement true, but Putin's denial of involvement also true.

"The Russian government hacked the DNC."

"No we didn't."

They literally cannot both be lying.

Happy now?

Also, by implication not trusting the FBI, CIA, and media in this case means you are trusting Putin and the Russian state so...

What? No you dont.. This sub hasnt trusted the FBI, CIA for YEARS. Long before Trump was a politician. Dont be ridiculous.

If you dont trust the FBI/CIA. You're obviously a Russian. Really? lol..

What a ridiculous straw man. That's not at all what I said. I said disbelieving the American intelligence community in THIS particular instance is to believe Putin and the Russian's.

What a ridiculous straw man.

Straw man? You literally just said if you dont agree with the media narrative that you must trust Putin.

What the fuck? LOL

You literally just said if you dont agree with the media narrative that you must trust Putin.

That's just a fact. The media narrative is that Russians hacked the DNC. Putin's narrative is that they didn't. So if you don't believe the media/intelligence community, you do believe Putin.

So if you don't believe the media/intelligence community, you do believe Putin.

What a ridiculous straw man.

Please explain how that is a straw man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Without unintentionally insulting you. I'll leave it at that.

I know what a straw man is. Please explain how my statement qualifies.

I know what a straw man is.

No. You obviously dont.

Then enlighten me. For the third time, please explain how my statement qualifies as a straw man.

just fail at trolling

Ding Ding.

America has always loved war. It's how they make their bread and butter.

This sub and the Americans in it may not love war, but without it the US would be bankrupt.

I agree with you that we should'nt trust the CIA/FBI/Media, but we sure as hell shouldnt trust Russia either.

I don't agree with you that the media is calling for a coup. They just are all taken aback by Trumps comments in Helsinki. Whether you think whats happening is good or bad, I think we can agree its new/different (in regards to russia relations) so obviously the media is going to talk about it nonstop.

As for their consensus that Trump committed treason, im not convinced on that - but it still looks really, really bad.

I would say accusing the President of Treason could be seen as Sedition.

so...don't trust the government, but if you say the president is a treasonous piece of shit you're actively contributing the downfall of the united states.

do you not see the conflict between these two thoughts?

I say "it could be seen as Sedition", not "I think it is sedition".

Besides can the President technically even commit treason, since he is the one defining the policies? And if talking with the "enemy" is treason, how could you ever make peace?

I don't agree with you that the media is calling for a coup.

Its not my opinion. Watch the clip. CNN litterally called for a "Shadow Government" to step in.

Yeah i heard it. The one guy says "when do we see an almost shadow government come out and say I dont agree with the government" and that equates to "the media is calling for a coup"?

They just are all taken aback by Trumps comments in Helsinki.

If Obama had behaved that way, it would be a "new dawn of Peace in America," and a "Russian reset."

But Trump not being a warmonger is a scandal.

He ran on being friendlier to Russia, backing off on Syria, etc. and he won. Anyone acting outraged is - knowingly or not - an MIC stooge.

Fox news would have lost their shit if Obama said what Trump said. I think a president disagreeing with the American intelligence community is a bit more than trying to bring peace between us and Russia. But hey Trump just double back on what he said in Helsinki anyways, so whose the stooge?

But hey Trump just double back on what he said in Helsinki anyways

Yeah, no shit, no one's above a bullet from the CIA.

Lol where have you been? The president and his administration and russia are the new justice league here to save the world! They can do nothing wrong!

C O I N T E L P R O

I always read this as "coin-tel pro"

Ahh, good. I was worried there wasn't going to be the obligatory "what happened to this sub" post this month. I was about ready to ask what is happening to this sub.

Media war, every area is a battleground and people want their team to win.

What are you talking about? This is the "what happened to this sub" post #2 for me today. Perhaps a few more got downvoted before I noticed them. I'm looking forward to more tomorrow.

These posts about how we should all stop talking about politics are conveniently pushed by “politically independent” users every time Trump does something monumentally fucked up. Seems odd to me.

Both sides are shit since it's party before country anymore.

Never forget it's only like this on the internet and maybe in some major metropolitan cesspools and a few college towns. Anywhere else in the country it's still the same old USA.

Aside from old people who casually watch fox news, the only people I run in to who even watch the cable news gauntlet are my crazy aunt and some druggie I went to high school with who is on my facebag feed for some reason.

Amen

Left vs Right politics fuels a lot of click bait reductionism aimed at each side dehumanizing the other in order so that both don't discover any shared ideals.

After all, how could you share ideals with person X when party X is doing XY & Z.

Political nonsense is filling this sub, it's literally the swamp that was supposed to be drained. I miss reading about UFOs, ancient civilizations, experiments, etc...

Lol I gave this same opinion like 2 years ago and got downvoted to hell just because i questioned the “zionist agenda on the right/left” everyone was ranting about.

Does anyone here wonder why the Qanon phenomena is largely dismissed, downvoted and even deleted when brought up in this sub?

The illuminati killed Anthony bourdain

Maybe they drained the swamp and it all came here.

They say we’re delusional for believing 9/11 was a hoax, jfk was killed by the CIA, etc, yet they believe in the Russian collusion scandal and Peegate.

Yea it's very deeply rooted to try to have a tangible us vs them. I suffer from it too at times and try to direct it exclusively towards people who exhibit psychopathic behavior, rather than over my own biases on how I don't like how someone speaks or sounds etc.

It's because liberals are suddenly 100% supportive of democrat government.. and can't understand that trump got a lot of votes because he is an "outsider."

Sure, that's not a ridiculous straw man argument.

no it's the truth, liberals used to be the one's that called out the government on their bullshit, and were deep in a lot of the "conspiracy theories".. as of now to someone that identifies as liberal the government can do no wrong.. get it?

Um most people who think there is something to the trump russia conspiracy are liberal. Conservatives are acting like its a "crazy conspiracy ".

Yes and Trump is an "outsider" he doesn't belong in the government.. by agreeing with and parroting everything that democrats and establishment republicans say.. they are siding with the government or the "establishment".. the same "establishment" that liberals used to always despise.

You can't say that here...this place is T_D 2.0 yet at the same time it clearly isn't. Just don't think about it ok, we will handle the upvotes and downvotes to follow the correct narrative thank you.

What is a government exactly? They consist of people like us

There is no "us" between myself and the things who did MK Ultra.

I actually was in favor of MK Ultra.

Really? Please explain

Well, when they released i,t I was on this whole no-carb kick and I honestly thought the flavor wasn't all that bad.

What?

Well, some people automatically hate mass produced beers out of hand--I like to give everything a chance.

My Ultra is a beer. That is fucked

Centrist conspiracists continue to be polarized by left and right shills (and ferverous non-shills). It's the zeitgeist of social media, now.... Gonna go listen to some old Art Bell episodes.

Identity/group politics taking over

Im legitimately shocked this hasnt been removed.

this sub is infested with pro-Shadow Govt. bots that defend the Russiagate narrative even though Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Ray McGovern and Glenn Greenwald have said it's bullshit political posturing

"they" took over man, information everywhere online is being rigged and suppressed not to mention they keep shoving their divide and conquer agenda bullshit in our face 24/7

What the hell are you trying to say with this post?

Oh look it's one of these posts again for the 10000000th time.

and now watch this thread descend into

wait for it...

more partisan dick swinging.

What I have noticed lately is partially the partisan stuff, but also that many of the people browsing on this sub are only looking to *disprove* anything they see. If the info on here is something that makes you upset or you don’t believe then why even subscribe or come here in the first place? Don’t you have better things to do with your time?

Says “enough with the partisan dick swinging bullshit”. Two sentences later presents a division that separates people into classes based on nothing more than identity politics....

The irony is priceless.

The historically unprecedented income gap is more than "nothing."

Wait, wait, material conditions are "identity politics" to you?

What ISN'T identity politics, in that case?

Umm..... Yes, making assumptions about an entire group of people based on the fact that they have earned more money than the rest of society is the definition of identity politics.

Wikipedia: Identity politics are political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify...Examples include social organizations based on age, religion, SOCIAL CLASS...[all caps added for emphasis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics

What isn't identity politics, in that case?

Addressing any issue head on rather than “us vs them” statements where you limp people together. Taking a step back and realizing that our bottom 10% is among the top 1% wealthy in the world, for example. Everything is relative. All you are doing is using relativism to paint an us vs them mentality. It comes across as envious and greedy. The vast majority of the wealthy in this nation are first generation. They earned it.

Addressing any issue head on

What part of single payer healthcare or social ownership of capital, for instance, doesn't address the issue head on? Somewhat more to the point, how does one "address any issue head on" without popular support for said issue (support that is necessarily going to result in a belief that one is part of a group fighting for particular rights- y'know, something that would be part of one's identity)?

Taking a step back and realizing that our bottom 10% is among the top 1% wealthy in the world, for example.

Nonsense, you'll need a citation for that; you don't seem to understand how much poverty actually exists in the US, nor what percentage of the world population 1% is.

The vast majority of the wealthy in this nation are first generation. They earned it.

Huge source required on this, and an actual metric for what we're considering "wealthy."

Thanks for posting this. I also see the government as one entity that wants to enslave and ultimately destroy us.

Don't forget corporate masters that routinely make the government their collective bitch!

What happened is that TD autists have turned this sub into r/rightwingfanfiction

More like globalist weebs have turned this sub into /r/politics just like the rest of le Reddit.

((globalists!!))

Exactly, so many people have been pushing MSM bullshit like it’s a fact.

And licking the boots of trump and russia

Says the account who literally based his username on the issue... Thats totally normal! Nothing to see here.

Nice diversion tactic.

No just blatantly obvious fact.

Why would having a username critical of Putin be seen as a criticism of Trump?

It’s almost like there’s a connection.

lol seriously? It's the opposite, fascist "patriots" bootlicking the CIA.

Lol wake up

The majority of this accounts comments are focused on attacking a single politician. How organic.

Since you post in the Donald should I assume you are not organic?

The existence of commenting in a particular sub isn’t what I was referring too. Your account is almost exclusively used to push one narrative. That narrative is evident in a suspiciously large amount of comments.

A combination of a few things:

• Around the time of the Benghazi hearing, leading up to the election this sub was filled with anti Clinton posts, along with anti DNC overall posts. With wikileaks only releasing anti DNC content, that flooded this sub. A LOT of the posts were speculative garbage TBH.

• During the election cycle, an equal and opposite reaction happened where anti republican content started popping up, mainly pointing out stuff Trump had said or done. Most of these weren't a 'conspiracy' - they were just political posts to counter the anti clinton / dnc posts.

• Outside of the political spectrum, many of us deep conspiracy folks realized Trump wouldn't be able to keep any secrets, so things like aliens, space travel, reptilians, 9/11 and other popular conspiracies are likely not true, because Trump would be using them for political gain by now - considering how he ramped up the JFK papers, then didn't actually release any new information.

At this point it's mostly far out speculation being posted by Trump supporters, flat political news by non Trump supporters, and the conspiracy folks who had been here for years with nothing to talk about since most of it would be leaked or pushed politically by this administration.

William Binney, Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and Ray McGovern have all said the Russiagate narrative is bullshit political posturing/propaganda. All of them are well respected whistleblowers known for their integrity.

On the other side of the Russiagate narrative, the ones pointing fingers at Putin are.. career employees of the corrupt United States government from agencies that operate in secret and known for deceiving the public.

Who are you going to believe?

The same agencies that employed asshats like Meuller and Rosenstein...and Evil Rat Strozk? Prop up traitors like John McCain, and support literal witches like Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush?

It's like putting your dirty clothes in a washing machine without soap or water, and trying to come out clean.

TPTB want war with Russia.

Both parties suck, but anyone who says they are the same is being foolish and/or naive. It is like saying they are both criminals, but one is a shop lifter, and the other is a serial killer. Or they are both a disease, but one is the flu and the other is full blown AIDs.

Oh look, we created a thread filled with pretending Trump supporters are the ones brigading the threads here while pretending this is a non-partisan topic.

Trump supporting commie traitors are among the usual posters.

This thread looks non-partisan.....

Regardless of colour, religion or ideology the 1% hate each of us exactly the same

Same 1% wants us to focus on the russian Reds Under The Bed, not on the DNC colluding against Sanders and undermining democracy.

The 1% has put in a LOT of money and effort to steer that narrative. RUSSIANS, not LEAKS!

But most republicans want us to ignore Russians

I grew up in a red state and "killin ruskies and commies" is a common play archetype, and also a consistent presented enemy.

The right-wing anti-communist slant in modern times comes from this mccarthy-era-holdover toxicity.

But you claim the 1% want us to focus on russia collusion. When one side of the politcal aisle dont want us to think about it

Protip: the 1% doesn't adhere to party lines. The duopoly is one single thing: oligarchical domination by the ruling elite.

Making you fight or argue for Team Red or Team Blue is part of the game.

The 1% are not monolthic too. I class Trump and Koch in the 1% and they definitely don't agree with RussiaGate

You're everything the OP is complaining about.

Its fun browsing the frontpage without logging in, lots of trump is a traitor posts and even obama was better atleast he wasnt bowing to putin stuff. Are people that blind? Every single U.S president since atleast jfk has been an israeli puppet probably putin too is working for the zionist pedo psychopaths. And any country that is using the zionist slavery system aka fiat currency is bound to obey them and follow their agenda. Where ever you live politics and elections are nothing but a distraction to give you an illusion that you have the power to change things.

I fully believe Putin is part of the same enemy that is entrenched into almost every modern nation. It's a big club and we aint in it.

I agree on every single point you make. You touch on some of the most important, like how they're fucking our kids and enslaving us with petrodollars.

I think one of the biggest conspiracies here in this sub are liberal activists pretending that they are non-partisan

I would say r/conspiracy/ was mostly overtaken by a political group, probably something they would call a "troll factory" if it wasn't them.

There is a conspiracy that the sun changed because it came too close to figuring out the Russia/collusion story.

For the last few months the sub was swamped with sub average posts and bots that ruined the conversations that got going. After the Wimbledon defeat of roger Federer and the French World Cup win the Illuminati decided an new world order based around Macron and the central bankers of France. This was long the plan but it came into to pass officially this week.

The rothschilds now have received the payment from n Korea in gold bullion and the debts payments from Russia for the loan for the German natural gas pipelines buildout. Now that the cabal has all it needs with new leadership, the sub should continue to see downsizing like the agents of social media wanted. There is just ok much at stake for someone to know this and post it on a site as popular as this thread on this site. It’s just not safe anymore to post or comment

Noted.

Let's be real, you can't co-opt the highest office of the planet, without muddying the waters and thoughts of all available places and persons susceptible to such fuckery.

why isn't this stickied?

They aren't gonna sticky no 'dick swinging' lol

Prudes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESAmKudsKKY

MY PENIS IS BIG AND FAT LOLOLOLOLOLOL #slutwalk #Fucktrump #dumptrump #berniecanstillwin

There is no doubt this sub has been targeted by certain groups. This used to be my favorite sub now I only come here to see what narrative is being pushed.

Their goal to sway opinion, at least as it pertains to my opinion has had the opposite effect.

So they are still swaying your opinion, just in the opposite direction? What if that was their aim all along?

Like OP said, their goal is to divide and faction out the masses so it’s basically playing into their hands still

This place turned into a hole since hilary lost the election.

And it makes me wonder... Oouuh yeaah really makes me wonder...

since hilary lost the election

Did you miss the period from 2015-2016 where there was nothing but a steady stream of Clinton and Seth Rich stories?

This sub was lost waaay before Hillary lost the election. 2007-2014 RIP

Yeah there sure was nothing to that whole thing. Just a sad coincidence botched robbery.

It was pizzagate, before then the MSM would mostly ignore conspiracy theories. Something about that theory struck a nerve, so much so that they even created a new term: fake news.

i think the thing that struck a nerve was when a guy walked into a pizza place with a gun because someone on the internet replaced the word 'pizza' with 'child sex slave'.

I'm pretty sure all signs pointed to that guy being a crisis actor. He even had an IMBD page. Not to mention there was a traffic camera pointed at the restaurant that was moved to look somewhere else just for that day and then moved back after the shooting took place. The police formed a perimeter and were aiming outward instead of inward at the guy being arrested. And he supposedly went upstairs and fired just one shot that perfectly went through a door and hit a computer in its hard drive.

Also about Pizzagate, Evies Crib made it pretty fucking real to me but nobody ever addresses that evidence.

why

https://imgur.com/gallery/yNDgsF8

There's an info graphic detailing some of it. Pretty much all of it's been scrubbed from the internet but the people at the voat sub have archives of it recorded.

Edit: "raw and uncut" I wonder what that means?

...what about that is supposed to be. like. in any way a problem.

Read the small text under Evie's Crib. The point is, known pedo code words were used in the emails and here is an email talking about this woman's kid. Upon visiting her site, people found out that anyone willing to donate was able to spend time with her kids "raw and uncut" and "anything goes". Go to the voat sub for the whole story, it was wild.

like, without pretending that raising a kid is all smiles and cuteness?

Democrats = Republicans is a false premise and one being advocated primarily by the people who lean towards republicans. This post IS the problem with this sub. Your comment could just as easily imply that people on the left are targeting this sub since it seems like the obvious Russian conspiracy is finally getting traction here while a much more likely scenario is the complete opposite. That this sub is being ruined by rightwing propaganda but the russian election conspiracy is so clearly real that they couldn't shut down every post.

Conspiracy theories aren't fun or helpful without facts. The right wing bullshit being parroted here is devoid of facts. There are no facts backing up fema death camps, crisis actors in mass shooting and pizzagate but thats what this sub is really about.

I lean towards Democrat.

Democrats = Reupublicans

You're not expressing your views in a way that could ever convince someone of their value. Good luck.

Huh? You want me to somehow prove it, is that it? Even though we both know you'd say I'm a lying concern-troll?

Sure, prove it. Or talk like an adult. You could have tried to make a case that the small difference between republican and democratic platforms doesn't make a noticeable difference.

Of course I'd counter with "it definitely is making a difference to all the immigrants being locked up, deported and separated from their families". It definitely makes a difference the workers who won't be have access to a union in the future based on a recent supreme court decision that would not have gone that without trumps appointment.

Basically you're refusing to acknowledge that if two groups of people are robbing and killing people, the one more eager to kill more people is actually worse. And even if two groups engage in similar behavior, if one that advocates intolerance while the other doesn't, well that right there is a real difference.

you are inferring way to many things most of which are based on your bias

Saying "bias" isn't a magical spell that absolves you of all expectations of rational discourse. What did I say that isn't true? What am I misrepresenting or what context should I have taken into account that I did not?

If you have a good point, you'll be able to explain it. If you can't explain your opinion and support its merit and accuracy with facts, then you should probably reexamine what you believe and why you believe it.

I never made any claims in my post that pertains to any one group.... You did. You made it political in nature not me.

You haven't made any claims at all. you simply made a personal attack on me as being too biased to have a valid point. You completed ignored any validity my comment might have had then implied i was biased and therefore my comment had no validity.

Once again, if you have a point about my bias or OP's comment then make that point but you need to be able to explain it and back it up or you're not doing the bare minimum for rational discourse.

Once again "you did, not me" isn't a magic spell. You have simply said nothing in any of your comments here. Provide content or rational criticism if you want a role in a conversation, you've done neither.

No offense but I don't have enough energy to go back and explain. You may be right if you are apologies. I will never know because its too time consuming currently. Maybe late this evening

It isn't a false premise. Its looking at the feet of a giant and saying "well thats a right foot and thats a left foot! They're totally different!" and not being brave enough to look up to see who is really controlling those feet.

No, it's looking at people about to get crushed by the giants right foot and instead of helping them get out of the way you lecture them on how dangerous the other foot might be.

The danger is the giant.

Agreed. Their efforts are obvious and serve only to cement my suspicions.

Again, what if that's been their aim all along?

Do you recommend any other subs that are better currently?

The problem is my opinion isn’t going to change because one dude with 1k upvotes says something. Same with someone with -100 downvotes.

So this whole pushing narrative thing is pointless, unless your goal is to turn this sub into an echo chamber

If all Chambers echo are any of them actually echo Chambers? (The answer is yes)

unless your goal is to turn this sub into an echo chamber

The goal is to turn EVERY sub into an echo chamber.

Reddit itself is now an echo chamber.

Haha yeah I stay off of the popular feed tab and stick to my own sub Reddit’s. I can’t stand the popular feed tab

Very true, but this sub is for at least people who think outside the box a bit. But we are slammed for evening disagreeing with current MSM talking point.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is that if we attack the MSM narrative that we must somehow be blindly loyal to Trump/Xi/Putin. It's entirely possible to be against all of it but for different reasons.

I'm banned from the_d because apparently you can't disagree with any politics there. Massive increase in military spending? Yeah no thanks. Steel tariffs? That's gonna hurt any US based manufactures. But I think Trump also does a lot of good. But the media is like OMG Nazi racist, resist regardless of what he does. It's crazy.

What used to be isolated pockets of radicals from all corners have now been thrown into the same massive vat of shit called the World Wide Web. It's quite a sight to behold. The result is now surprise: group think, echo chambers, hive mind, ad hominem, blind worship, mob mentality, defamation, dogmatism, you name it.

this whole pushing narrative thing is pointless,

Then why do you do it?

What makes your contributions different from anyone else’s?

i think the purpose of this sub now is to sow division while shunning people with different opinions.

I've had kind of the same experience as you. This used to be my favorite sub and I felt like I could actually learn things here that no one else would talk about. People requested links and sources for outlandish claims, and the discussion was fairly civil. Now I basically just check it to see what the narrative being pushed to the "fringe groups" are.

I'm not sure if the authentic users fled to another forum once it became obviously compromised, or if their voices are just lost in the partisan bickering at this point, but I'm not sure how the sub comes back from here. Congrats, we (I use this term because I have been guilty of it from time to time too) drank the left vs. right kool-aid.

Agreed. I've not been on this sub long, but I read it a couple of times before I was into reddit and this shit is all fucked up. I hope to see something different somewhere else like what I was expecting. I hate narrative pushers and applaud actual discussion. The latter is non existant here

Most of us just left. I come back sometimes just to see if it's gotten better and lurk but it hasn't. It just continues to get worse.

There is still greatness in this sub. However it is now just a lot more time consuming and frustrating to find.

That goes for all platforms that provide information. There is active measures in place to control information and that will never be a good thing

Everything is a conspiracy so nothing is

Everything is political so nothing is

Everything is fake so nothing is

what happened is T_D co opted this sub.

Preach it. That's the truth.

incoming Trumper downvotes

Oh look nobody downvoted you. But watch this: it was not the_donald but the freaks of /r/politics and the rest of the Reddit cabal.

This should be obvious to anyone who was browsing this sub before and after the election but partisanship is a hell of a drug.

Hi PutinLikesPenis... Stumble too far out of /r/politics?

Did you stumble to far from the Donald? Your bias is showing

Again, your name is literally PutinLikesPenis. You're obviously a shower, not a grower.

Holy shit I literally just visited /r/politics and thought this name sounded familiar. LOL right up top. You're not even trying: https://imgur.com/yyaH2Kh

Omg I comment in more then one sub!!!

Have we forgotten that we haven’t had a real leader since JFK? Prior to him it was probably Taft, everyone else has been owed by the federal reserve. And the only president to question them was shot in the head in the middle of the street like a rabid dog

The notion that no politician at all cares about average people is extremely intellectually lazy. Get involved and make a difference, if you care about politics. Threads like this are pointless.

trump does care about the people of this country. that is why he is hated by almost all media and the deep state

that is why he is building the wall, and why they can’t stand it - the right wants to keep getting cheap labor and the left want to continue their globohomo project to destroy any distinctions among people (including states/borders) and bring about global communism

If we want something to change, then we need to take action.

Groups try to co-opt this sub constantly because it's one of the most influential ground-subs on Reddit. The brigades come and go, but individuals with bullshit meters on high alert keep sniffing them out.

One true sentence can bust an entire brigade.

What the hell happened to this sub planet

There’s literally a guy in office right now trying to stop all this and more than half of this sub thinks he’s literally Hitler. That’s what happened to this sub- most of the great posters left for higher ground after the election.

Country before party

Blind party Allegiance is one of the major factors in why we are in our current state of affairs.

Humanity before any country, especially America.

Where's the party?

Where's the party?

Propaganda is legal in the US. I feel like they are going into overdrive, and I don't know what to believe anymore.

it's a conspiracy!

The mods pussy footed around as the take over began and continue to do so.

That makes it sound as if they weren't active participants. Let's not forget when T_D made their sub private for a publicity stunt, and the /r/conspiracy mods invited all the T_D posters here. The politicization of this sub isn't just coming from the outside, it's been intentionally orchestrated by the moderators and the Conclave.

Pal you belong in the 1% when considering the world. What makes you any better ?

Why is there always a post like this whenever there's an indefensible anti-Trump story? Why aren't there posts like this when Trump does something good or there's some big anti-Democrats story?

Russia is the king of creating conspiracy theories, mostly to get Americans not to trust their government. Now they have teamed up with the Republicans to try to bring in one party rule for as long as possible. like putin's control over Russia.

All this has happened before and will happen again.

So say we all.

We are all responsible because we are all sinners. If we get right with God we can have the country we deserve.

We all know what the real conspiracy sub is now.

Maybe they just want you to think it’s the 1% man, it’s all a lie

/r/politics happened to this sub, sadly

Hey you can't say that here. Only T_D happened, we don't speak of the blatant /r/politics virus.

Both sides are pushing a narrative. It's not only T_D. It's naive to think that only side side is actively trying to sabotage discussion.

He's being sarcastic

Both sides are pushing a narrative

It's just one side, both subs work for the same boss.

Dude. Its both sides here. You're literally pushing the narrative that the point of this post was warning against.

I think it's really funny that the "left" think donald trump is the all powerful elite.

My thoughts are that the people who have been quietly running the show behind the scenes have lost an election they intended on winning and now all hell is br asking loose, thus... "donald trump eats ice cream wrong"

Yeah. They're acting like useful idiots.

The contents of this thread belong in /r/cringe.

"Muh 1%"

There is nothing wrong with being successful. Wealth is not static. Wealth can be created through the market. The percentage you own is irrelevant. Would you prefer 25% of a table pie or .05% of a pie the size of Texas?

And what about the reptilians and the fake replacement celebrities and all the good old conspiracy stuff because it was all Trumpy all the time?

THE MOON LANDING DID 9/11

If you make over 35000 USD a year, you are the 1%

The goal of the establishment is to keep us divided into two camps. After we burn out on one the other suddenly offers enough incentive to get your attention. They play it back and forth this programming and not a coincidence. After Trump the left will suddenly change their game and offer a new face with a new approach. This is the carrot on a stick.

I agree except for the 1% part. 1% of 8 billion is 8 hundred million (if my math is right). It's more like the .0000001%

That's suggesting that children, the elderly and the disabled should be earning an income. I would redo it from people who are employed or seeking employment.

1% of 8 billion is 8 hundred million (if my math is right).

...it's not.

Can't really fit that cleanly on a picket sign can you?

your math isn't right

https://apnews.com/2e11aadd40a349cdb020cb6fe25c1e30/US-official:-Russia-using-social-media-to-divide-Americans

Brigading by Russians and Drumphies.

So much brigading by drumphies that everything they say is suppressed and downvoted, oh my!

No, the comments are brigaded. If they mass downvoted the posts, it would be too obvious. Then again, you're probably one of them.

Anyone pro any politician clearly doesn't have a clue. Fuck Trump. Fuck Hillary and fuck everyone and anyone else who tows the line.

There’s the truth.

Honestly, I agree with OP.

Look at any conspiracy forum these days. Psyop'd to hell. Trump stuff used as backdrop for shill-o-rama

They got conspiracy forums to praise the government, now I really didn't think it could be done, but they used the epic shadiness of the DNC as a reverse-catalyst to get people jazzed about the opposition, who I would like to remind everyone ARE STILL THE GOVERNMENT

Meanwhile you have all the leftists praising the fuck outta two former Republican heads of the FBI. Times' a-wacky man

Nope, those aren't leftists. Leftists are also against the security state.

Fair enough. I was referring to nu-quasi-leftist-millennials. You've reminded me how sad it is that I now use the word "leftist" to refer to those cryptofascists. :(

Deep web

The propaganda train has a station here. They ride through and the shills upvote then go to the next station. Its gaslighting and propagands desighed to make you question your beliefs and feel isolated. Its easy to see how full of shit they are with even the simplest logic. Use the down vote and hide functions liberally. They could change some of the rules of the sub but that could go sideways like it has in other subs.

The (((1%)))

You see, this is what I do not like about people like you, you guys ACT like there is no one in this world who actually wants to do good. This world may be getting worse but there IS good people. I think you are just too intoxicated from looking at a whole bunch of goverment stuff and you forgot that there is good people in this world. Don´t lose hope yet.

The republicans are in power now, and we have to hold whoever is in power accountable

no. That's r/politics.

Too bad they let Obama run wild!

Who are they?

They, the media and Washington.

Yup seems like it

don't forget, 90% of redditors now battle with AI bots and spontaneously fabricated content.

in fact, how do I know if this OP and headline is real or not?

ALL politicians are power-hungry, attention-seeking sociopaths. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU, except friends and some family members.

I thought this sub was about aliens and the illuminati...

Both of the major parties are filled to the bream with both.

Cmon dude! The billionaires Bezos, Soros, and Zuckerberg are on our side!

INFILTRATED

Especially when the real conspiracy has been revealed. The information is plain to see, Russia has waged paychological warfare on us long ago and we’re feeling the effects. We need to focus on the part of ourselves that doesn’t want to believe our fellow countrymen are insane, and work to eradicate the threat. A longstanding, extremely dangerous, outside threat.

I like trump and support him and I like what he is doing. That is a problem on this sub. Sorry guys.

I think r/conspiracy was divided into irl pro trump conspiracy fighters on r/greatawakening after the q movement then the corporate conspiracy guys following alex jones and jerome corsi (dunno much about them) Then the left propaganda infested anti trump guys and the non partisan dudes that think basically left and right corrupt as shit First group as I said are now on r/greatawakening and the non partisan group get fed up with those left propaganda infested anti trump guys that are now over represented and dont allow real debates Cant say much about the alex jones following group

Writes a totally non partisan post including “left propaganda infested anti trump guys,” twice.

So sick and anti partisan my dude.

Sry am not native english speaker didnt want to confuse the groups of ppl I mentioned I personally think I have accurately described the groups Do u have a actual point regarding my hypothesis or did u just want to confirm the animosity u seemed to perceive towards a group I mentioned

r/politics people got sick of circle-jerking each other about what a hero Madame Bloodfang is and how Trump is literally the Cheetos Hitler so they started fanning out looking for more "wrong think". And lo! They discovered unbelievers! And now they're here brigading every post that doesn't scream for Putin's head on a lance.

Full disclosure: I'm an old school lefty but I have nothing in common at all with these people who claim they're "left". I doubt they have one blue collar worker friend among them.

You should check out The Jimmy Dore Show. It is great for those of us who can see the lefts betrayal.

Already there, buddy. Thanks for the tip, though...

Democrats are center-right corporatists, not the left. Not even close. I think a good many people on "the right" and Trump supporters would absolutely find a lot of overlap with the anti-authoritarian left.

I think a good many people on "the right" and Trump supporters would absolutely find a lot of overlap with the anti-authoritarian left.

Like these guys?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/scY7Cbu0gg_VKkYA-iu16c_Uofg=/480x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/5BFA6LOVGY3VNK6IXBQ3RUMNYM.jpg

Did you even read my sentence before you replied?

I did. And I really don't think my pic of people on the right would have any overlap with the anti-authoritarian left.

Nor do I. But there is also an anti-authoritarian right. Some of them may think of Trump as a tactical temporary sacrfice of morals to achieve a greater good (dismantling of corrupt intelligence agencies, aggressive deregulation of markets, originalist interpretations of the Constitution in the SCotUS, etc). Even though we'd disagree on two of those three examples I listed, there are dozens of policies I can think of where we strongly overlap (surveillance state, military industrial complex and endless war, localism, preservation of gun ownership rights, corporate globalization, neoliberalism, etc.)

Yep. They're working overtime today for sure. Treason this, treason that. How well do these brigade companies pay? They pay benefits? 401k? What's price for surrendering someone's independent thought?

Conservative minded people that have been saying the same stuff here for last 7 years apparently aren’t allowed to discuss the same conspiracies now that a conservative has the White House. It’s like since election night the left (being a majority on this site) decided it was no longer fair game because their chosen one no longer had the power.

The left bashed Obama regularly. His policies were corporatist, hawkish, and often a continuation of the Bush-era violation of civil liberties. It isn't the left who you are fighting, it's the false center.

^ This is what we call gaslighting

Nope, it's what we called actually representing the left and not the neoliberal centrists.

People bring ahistorical approaches to topics, not understanding the context in which things happen. Or rather, they ascribe the context that corporate or reactionary media gives them - not thinking for themselves.

This happens every time there’s a major power change in the political structure. Whichever side is out of favor will tend to propose conspiracy theories about the people who are in power, and their opposition will try to pick those theories apart.

Usually it’s pretty straightforward. Obama was a relatively scandal-free president, at least as far as his personal life goes. So most people focused on other things like aliens or whatever.

The transition to the Trump administration is a lot more complicated and there are more outgroups. Obviously there’s the Dems, but he’s also alienated his own party’s moderate wing, and also the Establishment and/or Deep State. And his personal life/history is way more of a mess than Obama’s ever was, and his assets and business dealings span a global scale with more entanglements and secrecy than any president before. There’s a lot of conspiracy fuel there.

Bunch of black pills in here

Trump is our boy draining the swamp tho! ^/s

its ony becuz just like regain met with gorbachev and the left went nuts, same deal with trump and putin meeting. The left is going nuts and the media is calling for civil war and CNN for the shadow gov to take out drumpf

as someone not quite in the 1% who is surrounded by people in the 0.01%, there's a huge difference between being almost in "the 1%" and the elites that actually run things.

those guys meet with top politicians, are friends with CEOs, get their kids internships at each others' companies, and live in the best places with awesome schools, public pools with no crime.

in high cost of living cities like NYC and San Fran, being in the 1% is like being middle class. you have to earn that much just to pay the rent. Folks here still work 60-80 hour weeks for people who under-appreciate and underpay them and still can't get their kids in a decent school or afford childcare. NYC schools in particular are a shitshow.

That said, there really is an elite class of people out there with power and money to get what they want.

If only 1% of our society is middle class, then we're all ready light years beyond utterly and hopelessly fucked.

ShareBlue happened

God you are so transparently full of shit. No one cares about what you have to say. All you have is left hating. That is it. No evidence. Just hate. Must suck to be you.

Sure was effective wasn't it? All it takes is a bit of astroturfing and soon they don't even need to do the work themselves anymore, with an entire army of window licking morons willing to do it for free.

The issue is the other side is monster, while my side is not. It's beneficial to see both sides as the monsters they are and how they fight for power.

Moral relativism has killed more people than any weapon. There are clear lines that must be established. I’m no shill for the right, but I am also willing to point out the corruption in the Democratic party. After hearing Hillary’s comments on Edward Snowden during the debates and watching the media brush pizzagate under the rug, I became rather skeptical of these “progressives” who appreciate conspiracy until it threatens anyone they want to protect. Then, they abandon all principle and “shill out” for their party. It happens on the right too, but that does not excuse any of their actions.

This sub has been spouting MSM propaganda on both sides. Those who spew propaganda is starting to outnumber the true conspiracists. This sub has become too mainstream.

Everyone hates Trump.

It would be the Republicans leading the anti-Russian campaign if Hillary won.

It’s been like this for a couple years now. Reddit is dog shit.

I’m only here for the food pics and tittie pics.

Imagine if they screwed us people over to the point to where there was a civil war in America, Itd be a cluster fuck lol

Well we are all Russians of course. /s

CT shouldn’t be about left vs right it’s about the truth seekers vs the establishment that’s trying to poison us all and hide the truth.

it is another conspiracy.

I never understood why so many in the conspiracy world have jumped onto the republican wagon during the last couple years. How bout staying off the wagons and try driving your own car. When we are divided we are weak. Like duhh

Found this sub during a dark period of questioning everything once I became “aware,” and was pleasantly surprised at the number of people who shared my same feelings, but over the past year of periodically dropping in, i just admit that i am deeply saddened to see what this place has become. Republicans this, Democrats that. Israe this, Russia That. This place has become r/politics except we occasionally discuss aliens in the midst of partisan bullshit. Sad indeed

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Well gee, it's almost like there was a hostile takeover or something. Almost like the powermods staged a coup, and had the admins back them up. But no, surely that can't be the cause.

Thank you.

Everyone always forgets this, amd that's why other subs and social media in general is just a mud slinging match of epic proportions.

It's always red team vs blue team, and I'm real tired of the manipulation.

Complains about partisanship

Includes popular partisan talking point

hmm.

I think I need you to explain how this is partisan.

It wouldn't be r/conspiracy if this same thread didn't get posted every day.

This is one of my favorite subs. It's a great mix of free thinkers, propagandists, trolls and crazies. The truth is somewhere in between it all.

I agree, I think it's kindofa good mix.

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This sub has turned into US-centric politics sub. Fucking sucks.

Isn't there a conspiracy on the World Cup?

If you can't tell the difference between partisan and documenting conspiracies, that is YOUR problem.

These days a great number of the most interesting or most heinous conspiracies and illegal collaborations are happening in the political arena.

No one is stopping you posting a conspiracy about big foot.

And besides, there are a lot of bots and fake accounts on here now, that make it seem more partisan than long time posters who know the blue red divide is a joke.

Taken over by shills, the establishment couldn't have us talking about their crimes and connecting dots. I'm not going to besmirch the MODS I dont know them but I do know their political beliefs/leanings based on what has happened here.

Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.

lol, where is that from again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I90Q2bChBX8

Dawg, this has been going on since at least mid-2016. Started then and hasn't let up.

Everyone should down vote partisan agenda.

Bots and shills

Besides paid incursions into this sub ther's another huge thing.

Two years ago Wikileaks published a bombshell leak of the operations of a major party in the middle of an election. Suddenly everyone who knew almost nothing about conspiracies were confronted with the reality of (possibly) illegal DNC behavior done in secret: An actual current conspiracy.

And obviously the reverse seemed to be at play: a conspiracy to expose and discredit the DNC, through illegal means of hacking internal party secrets.

So yeah, thousands of new sub members who only know about 2 conspiracies, namely the most political ones.

Politicians and political actors get assassinated all of the time if they step out of line. There was a reason JFK was assassinated, and he got through the mess. There's still people who pose a threat to the power structure and its worth supporting them.

Well, upvoting this is one way to end up on a list lol.

If I had a dollar for every time we had a thread with this title, I would be as rich as Putin!

It's not about money any more, they own 98% of it. It's down to control and they are doing a fantastic job of it. I give this country one more generation before it falls into a third world nation. Once everyone is broke and stupid, Rothchild will push for and gain the one world government that they've been wanting for so long.

Over on The_Donald right now, one of the top posts is about how the intelligence community lied to get us into Iraq... which is something nearly every single self-identified "liberal" and "leftist" I know has been saying since 2003. Yet, also in that very same comment thread are people bashing "muh libruls" and creating a rift.

It's quite sad, really. There are many areas where the far left and far right are united in spirit, but the false narratives created by the ownership class and labeled "moderate" or "centrist" keep us all fighting each other instead of them.

People act as if politics wasn't always an integral part of this sub, but looking at archives for even a second it's apparent this sub has always been heavily involved in politics (since most conspiracies are directly tied to politics in some form).

The "let's not make this sub about politics" thing didn't start at Israel bombing Palestine and it won't stop at Trump defeating that evil fucking witch of a woman.

I'm not saying it's aliens.....It's Extra Terrestrial mind control?

Because the government makes conspiracy theories, duh.

This sub doomed itself, i saw it on a youtube vid.

The sub has been taken over by the 1% so they can use it to advertise Hot Pockets™

You know what keeps me going during my hours of shilling trying to take back my freedom. The crispy, tender, flaky crust of Hot Pockets!

We all my have different views on things, but I think we can all agree, Hot Pockets are delicious

Does anyone notice a difference between the weekend and weekdays?

Divide and conquer. Our nation is in serious trouble because we've been conditioned recently to hate our opponents with vigor. We feel like our outrage justifies our actions to further the divide. Our outrage feels pure and justified like never before.

The people behind this divide and conquer agenda aren't motivated by racism, bigotry, any of that. It's a power game. A money game. While we're all fighting about race, gender, sexuality, abortion these ass holes are doing whatever they want.

Does anyone remember the Panama Papers? The Paradise Papers? They've got us hating each other so naturally before those Papers we didn't realize we were being taken for a ride. Then proof came out in the Papers that we were being subjugated... and we still didn't care because we were too busy being outraged at one another.

Divide & Conquer

Fuckn bots and new subs. I hate em all.

(((the 1%)))

This sub has fewer active visitors than r/greatawakening now, I'd rather go there for information

What are you talking about? This sub has been a shithole since the last election.

A Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies

Pretty sure most of those techniques, plus many new ones are utilized here. And probably by at least a half dozen different organized groups, with sometimes overlapping motivations.

We have the republican party, the trump party, and the democrat party. Just because Trump ran as a republican doesn't make him one any more than it makes bernie a democrat.

I think what you're seeing in this sub is a lot of people who are centrists but support the POTUS (in some regard) are aligning more closely than this sub has been aligned in the past and it's leading to this idea of left vs right. It's really more of a people vs deep state from my perspective.

I don't care what party people claim to be because as long as they are fighting for the people, then they will have my support.

I agree. I used to come here often but the political bullshit hose was on full blast way too often. Had to back off.

Just a bunch of people failing to perceive the deep state and believing everything to being a partisan issue.

The Deep State, The 3-Letter Agencies with massive Cyber-war capabilities, The biased/controlled/infiltrated/manipulated media, and a malevolent geopolitical agenda,,, - You know Putin has all those things too.

Wouldn't you like to know if he was using all those things to damage your country?

Why is it every time I bring up corruption in our country, someone has to bring up Russia?

How about we get rid of corruption on the home front first?

That is a good point, and I didn't mean to change the subject. It always has been true, and always will be true, that corruption exists locally, regionally, nationally, and globally.

Yup, global corruption does play into it all, and Russia does have a hand in it.

I'm sorry, but I have to rant.

I lurk on this sub, but don't comment much. I'm not a shill, I'm a liberal-type crypto-redneck regular dude. I've been interested in what we call "conspiracy theory" throughout my intellectual life and I was once avid in my belief in many of those conjectures. I still subscribe to some, but not many, and I have noticed a few things. One of which I will henceforth describe.

From, therefore, an outsider: Most of the information in these various conjectures, conspiracy theories, is specifically designed to change your viewpoint to an irrational one.

What do I mean by "irrational viewpoint?" Belief without evidence.

Why do I believe this is true? Because these conjectures range from god/alien super-consciousness and flat-earth, (i.e. preposterous,) all the way to Hillary-killed-everyone and Trump is a Russian puppet, (i.e could be true, but not enough information, just circumstance,) on the Same Web Sites. "Conspiracy Clearing House! Step right up and have your minds blown." The range of options for you to believe is very much like a marketing net which is cast very broadly, is it not? (Yes, that is circumstantial conjecture.)

Now, Who would want you to believe irrational things? Or, likewise, to believe things without adequate evidence, only circumstance?

The answer is salesmen. Whether those salesmen are selling books about the Mars face or Obama, or asking for you to donate to a political cause, you are being had.

That is one of the few conspiracy conjectures i retain.

BTW, it was Richard Hoagland who killed that golden goose in my case. NASA blew up the Mars face? Come on.

I mean well. That is all.

I agree, and will add that it makes people feel good about themselves if they have some special knowledge about a topic that others do not accept, - like they're 'in on a secret'. People who are below average intelligence, or don't have a lot of power in their lives are particularly susceptible to this perfectly natural human need.

The counter-argument is: it is true that powerful people, groups, corporations, and nation-states, do often malevolently conspire to achieve their goals, and history is full shocking examples.

That's fair and most of the time money is the motivation. I also think a lot posters are teenagers or guillible 20 year olds who think a youtube explanation of electromagnetc waves as proof of the Deep State's Atlantis base is flipping amazing.

The entire point of conspiracy is to subvert authority, not side with one half of it. THE. DEFINITION. OF. PAWNS.

This sub has been compromised by the globalist machine. It's easy enough to join Reddit and infiltrate this place, after all.

Here's how to tell whether there's an intruder: the user in question pledges allegiance to any government, be it American, Russian, Chinese, European, or otherwise, as a matter of course—a default benefit of the doubt.

OP and comments answer that question 100%. Who are you guys, and why are you here?

OP doesn't even post here btw.

> Front page says "It's 2018 but Hillary is secretly a pedophile lizard controlling the deep state"

Business as usual

> Front page says "Trump trusts a Russian dictator over every US intelligence agency"

Guys the sub is clearly compromised

We all figured out how to use those Talmud decoder rings David Icke was selling.

Race car now.

were the beaten generation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ustXRPke9lM&list=RD7zh9NcG5uWA&index=7

Shills, Russians, bots, trolls.

“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”

― George W. Bush

(Iraq WMD, WACO, Oklahoma, 9/11, and now this) how many times are we going to be fooled.

There is a post like that every time I come to this sub. And it's been going like that since at least 2016. And while I agree, I'm kind of glad that people don't talk about Bigfoot or chemtrails that much. Sorry, but I don't believe in that stuff, if you do, you do you. Each to their own.

Pretty sure it where russian trolls.. /s

Divide, divide, divide

The mods are working hard to push a narrative.

The general population or reddit/this sub is pushing back.

That's it really.

It's the same fate that befell AboveTopSecret and most other conspiracy sites.

Ever since Alex Jones and his ilk stopped even pretending to be freedom fighters and became shills for Trump, people of that persuasion have gotten it into their heads that somehow by being a fan of Donald Trump they are part of some underground resistance movement against the Deep State, failing to recognize the irony that Trump is now head hancho OF the Deep State. But of course it was never about that, as seen by their denial of any conspiracy theory that implicates Trump - those, they insist, are never true. Only ones involving Obama and Hillary and the DNC and Soros are true.

Well for one people continue to post repeat conspiracy's. Some people want to control what people think as well so that attracts some attention.

Well, it's a strange situation because Tucker Carlson has taken O'Reilly's spot, but he's against war in syria and he questioned the vegas shooting. Not exactly typical of Fox or MSM.

It's a lyrics reference but something tells me they agree

Yeah, Trump begging to be back on the revised TPP that no longer includes copyright overreach is kinda a pussy move that I don't agree with.

The same off the wall shit from r politics started appearing around that time

The ridiculous russian conspiracy theories

Yup and now T_D and many here are taking Putin's word as absolute truth (the Hilary $400 million quote) which is just bonkers to me.

Yes, it does. So does every subreddit. I don't see the problem.

They're still linked, usually whenever people draw charcactures of muslims I never see them draw it as a a white guy wearing a polo

If they don't know how to swim they won't get far enough from shore.

They are linked in simple depictions, of which I agreed

The assumed link that if you dislike a religion, you have to dislike the person is a hot load of bullshit.

I doubt people who hate scientology are anti-white. It's bigoted to assume anti-Islam is anti-brown.

Ressentiment

Jesus, no. This is such a bullshit rationalization for bigotry.

Walk up to a Muslim, Christian or Jew and say "don't believe in that" and see where it gets you.

Actually, what do you believe? OK great, that's illegal now, change it for me real quick.

Your terrible spelling and grammar is out in force today.

so...don't trust the government, but if you say the president is a treasonous piece of shit you're actively contributing the downfall of the united states.

do you not see the conflict between these two thoughts?

Shut up libtard

And licking the boots of trump and russia

It didn't nothing to actually work towards a solution, would have damaged our economy and given an advantage to China.

It was zero grain for a large potential loss.

Media has been anti gun for decades, just sad(not surprising) to see how easily alternative media/sites can be influenced.

Hell this sub is currently seeing the effects of that now.

Dems are worse.

Tbh you can be both as bad as each other sometimes, nothing more than different sides of a double faced coin to me.

Same 1% wants us to focus on the russian Reds Under The Bed, not on the DNC colluding against Sanders and undermining democracy.

The 1% has put in a LOT of money and effort to steer that narrative. RUSSIANS, not LEAKS!

God you are so transparently full of shit. No one cares about what you have to say. All you have is left hating. That is it. No evidence. Just hate. Must suck to be you.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon... Mom's coming 'round to put it back the way it beeeeeeeeee!

The lead singer was close friends with Bill Hicks and did stand up comedy with him before becoming a singer for Tool.

"the one percent" is referring to nation-wide statistics. so..yes, it's different in Malibu. the point is people think "the one percent" only consists of CEOs and Monopoly men but that just isn't the case at all.

Sure was effective wasn't it? All it takes is a bit of astroturfing and soon they don't even need to do the work themselves anymore, with an entire army of window licking morons willing to do it for free.

What! That's awesome. Thanks for sharing.

It was a rhetorical question, I've seen it in every sub.

Do not offend my religion

I understand your point completely. And agree 100% this sub is for the opens minded, not the already decided.

Wait, i have a few first.

Did you imply that no money was repatriated?

Did you also consider off shore profits estimated at 2.6 trillion as meager?

Then did you try to catch me in an ah ha moment by posing a question that we both know is not quantifiable?

Talk about fucking dishonesty holy shit. Shoot yourself please

At least Slayer doesn't misrepresent themselves. Maynard is a tool.

We can only grow as a species if we are headed in the same direction. How to achieve this is something way beyond us I'm afraid.

Money per se is irrelevant paper (or, realistically, bits on a server); what matters for actually sustaining countries / people is land and resources. If "the rich guys" decide to peace out of the country, they lose their assets, which can be put to much more productive use.

Practically speaking, tax flight on any scale that would actually impact a country is A) pretty much a myth even now, when we aren't flat out seizing mansions or yachts, and B) isn't at all a concern given that what actually matters for producing something are talents and skills, which the extremely wealthy don't have themselves- they merely pay others to have them.

I told you I stopped listening to him. How would I know?

Thanks for saying the words Trump and corporate together. Super informative...

is this supposed to be sarcasm? considering i post this anytime and everytime i’m tired of seeing the words left and right? or are you agreeing with me, i can’t tell.