Just FYI, no need for submission statements on self posts. Only links 👍🏼

Because it's easier to follow ignorance than to understand the situation to make it better.

I’m also not a fan of the idea of “protected classes”. All classes should be equally protected as human beings. If somebody commits a crime against you for being part of a certain class, then they should be held accountable accordingly. Holding some groups more or less accountable for their actions based on their race seems racist.

Assumed racism is prejudiced in and of itself. It's judging someone without understanding their position.

Agreed, and it’s attributing a negative characteristic based on... race. I thought that was verboten?

White racism is more consequential because white people have more power in this world.

Did the British not fuck India for a century?

No? Why are you arguing? What is your point even?

They fucked the US colonies for a while too. Colonialism doesn't inherently beget racism, though most often it does. There exists a strict caste system in India that seriously predates any contact between the British and India that establishes a proven history of race and class segregation.

Are all white people British?

The Brits also fucked my country, Ireland, for most of our history. But we're white, so we're also responsible for everything else the Brits did.

Uh..

it still happened and there was racial motivation

Every race seems to have this inherent racism. It's not just white people.

What about the Rwandan genocide? Kurds in syria attacked by Turkey? Former Yugoslavia conflicts? Affirmative action? Uighur "re-education" in China?

the english considered irish another race

And yet here I am being lumped in with all white people for colonising Africa and whatever else. Hardly fair, is it?

lol, im pointing out history, you can take it however you want it

The original Irish were black pygmies. St. Patrick chased them out.

Oh well I guess I owe black Americans reparations too then. My bad.

Nope. Just sharing a fun and possibly true myth.

Ah okay, you stated it as fact.

I’ve seen the thinking behind this myth and it’s the usual black supremacy propaganda. It’s purely been invented because Irish people don’t fall under the typical ‘white people’ history label that black people use.

Source?

I mean, I'll happily admit it's a myth but seeing a source for your claims about it's origins would interest me.

And did the people today fuck them over? What's your point? We cannot be held to some lasting stigma because of our grandfather's actions. We're not them.

By all means, be mad at the historical british. But are the British today fuck over India?

Yeah, through banking and industry, just like they still do all over :P

And that makes them racist?

They really do. Who do you think trades with Chinese slave owners / China Inc.? The American / European oligarchy!
Who protects Saudi Arabia? American Empire. India was the most massive colonial project of the Brits for generations.
It seems you are ignorant of our white colonial history.

It didn’t start with white peoples there tho. Just like India has crazy class, caste, and ethnic issues going back millennia. This is the problem, social justice folks try to claim it’s only white people.

Social Justice Folks who live on Earth in the 21st Century have a right to criticize white people generally for benefiting from and taking advantage of an unequal distribution of power that exists in the world today.

Some do some don’t take advantage. My whole career is working on various forms of justice. So once again, here you are assuming the right to criticize all whites, rather than white individuals based on their behavior. You do realize that stereotyping is bad right?

Hey man I never said YOU were to blame. What a strange post this is.

Lol you still aren’t realizing you are making problematic statements. Once again, you made a reductionist, steretypical statement implying “all white people.” Therefore, your wide net implies me. Therefore, I have a right to reject it.

This is why you sjws are impossible to discuss anything with.

If I said, “all black people are negative x,y,z,” and a black person said that this was offensive and stereotypical, you as a social justifice person would get it.

Identity politics has gone off the rails. It’s full of double standards, hypocrisy, lack of common sense, and yes even prejudice now.

You seem hypersensitive here. Like you are refusing to admit that as a white person, you enjoy benefits and opportunities that non-white people would not share. It's not a big deal, especially if you admit that about yourself. How else can you be friends with non-white people?

Nope, it’s called critical thinking and rejecting identity politics toxicity. You need to be able to handle feedback and criticism without reverting back to yet more talking points. People disagreeing with you aren’t “fragile” nor hypersensitive. In fact, it’s disrespectful and poor dialogue to use such dismissals.

I criticized your wide stereotyping that only sees people by race, not individual behavior. Stop turning that around on me as some sign of privilege. That’s a standard social justice manipulation tactic.

I am friends with about as diverse a group as imaginable. Hint for you, people of color don’t always want to be put into your monoliths either.

There are locations though where non white people have power. That’s why sjws are so myopic and ironically, euro centric.

Arguably, it's pretty myopic to wonder why only white people are criticized for being prejudiced when you live in a white supremacist state such as America.

America is such a white supremacist state that our last president was black. America is so racist that black artists are overwhelmingly over represented in the music industry. America is so racist against blacks that black people do better in America than any majority black country.

Your comment is ignorant and divisive.

Obama was a fucking minstrel show of a Presidency. And black radicals would agree, Obama was a fucking disaster who worked for wall street.. So that's not the greatest example.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/cornell-west-obama-revolutionary-mandela-180715195817422.html

There's nothing wrong with bias. We all have bias. The important thing is to be honest about it. Obama was a liar like Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Bush, etc.

I'm glad we're on the same page.

Your comment has nothing to do with my point. The fact that the majority of Americans voted a black man as president undermines your ignorant claim that America is a “white supremacist state.”

Keep fighting those strawmen and inserting red herrings though to distract from your claim that is used to divide us.

Ok, America WAS a white supremacist state. It still displays many elements of white supremacy, like for example any damn statistic you can come up regarding income inequality, education, opportunity, bla bla bla bla...

If it is a white supremacist state, why do Asians do better in any statistic regarding income inequality, education, opportunity, blah blah blah than white people?

If it is a white supremacist state, why do African immigrants do better in any statistic regarding income inequality, education, opportunity, blah blah blah than white people?

Is it actually an Asian supremacist state? Or an African immigrant supremacist state? Based on the statistics you seem to care about, it must be! Stats never lie or are manipulated to push narratives...

Asians do better? How about those asians in the slave camps in China? Your racist essentialism is mistaken.

I like how you totally ignored my context when clearly I was talking about Asians in America compared to whites in America when it comes to economics and education.

But since it undermined your original statement you deflected and fought a strawman argument that had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Also, if race is an illusion, how can America have ever been a “white supremacist state”? If race is an illusion, why are their any black radicals?

race is only as real as the society treats it to be real. My only point was white people are justifiably criticized in places where they hold more power.

All white people? Your logic is as racist and prejudice as people who think all Muslims are terrorists or all black people are thugs. It’s a lazy and bigoted way to see the world.

“That happens to be most of not all places in the world.”

China = over one billion people. India = over one billion people. Rest of Asia = over one billion people Africa = over one billion people Central/South America = 600+ million people Middle East = 500+ million people

The vast majority of people in the world do not live in countries or societies controlled by white people but flee to countries that are where whites hold more power. Weird they would flee to white supremacist states...

Just white people generally. Not you per say calm down.
You ignore centuries of colonial exploitation of ALL those places. Yikes.

So China today is still messed up because of white people? Not Mao?

India today is still messed up because of white people? Not their racist caste system?

The Middle East today is messed up because of white people? Not the thousand years of religious war that still rage on?

At what point is it no longer the fault of people hundreds of years ago for the problems of today?

All valid questions. Of course it's all shades of grey. You want me to take some absolutist stance so you can win the argument.
There are ways in which those three regions of the world are messed up because of a long colonial history of exploitation, which continues today in various forms of 'globalization' and 'free trade'.

borders are an illusion.

So your house or apartment’s boarders are an illusion? Anyone can just stay there?

Yeh, walls are real. I'm kinda old school when it comes to hospitality. And I'm downright primitive when it comes to legal definitions. Ownership, borders, and crimes are all imaginary trappings used to ensnare the weakminded into slavery.

I think we’d have interesting conversations in person.

I think we're having an interesting conversation right now.

Lol, so first someone responds to me stating that we are talking about the US. Then someone asking about Asians in America, and NOW you want to qualify it by talking about Asians worldwide...

phew sounds like a tough day

Sounds like you don’t have much training in logic and good argumentation.

Just a bit of the old Hegelian dialectics!
Dialectical thinking refers to the ability to view issues from multiple perspectives and to arrive at the most economical and reasonable reconciliation of seemingly contradictory information and postures.

I haven’t seen it from you. I’m seeing lack of critical and thorough thinking based on both global and domestic history. Your reactions are ideological.

Are you post ideological?

No show where they are. Yes, I am a critical thinking and evidenced based ‘ideologue.’ Identity politics has become a religious ideology, and your responses are textbook talking points.

What, statements like 'racism is an illusion'?

Who said that? I didnt. Straw man argument. Man you really aren’t good at this.

ME, I said that.

Okay. What did that have to do with your previous points?

A majority of Americans never voted anyone into the presidency. Presidents need less than a third of the population's vote to win. Every president I know of was voted in despite a majority of Americans wither voting for their opponent or not voting for them at all.

Yyyup.

This, folks, is why we need to participate in direct democracy.

Also, why should we listen to self proclaimed “black radicals” regarding race relations? That’s as stupid as listening to “white radicals” like Richard Spencer when it comes to race relations in America. Both of the radical groups want to divide us, stoke racial tension and create a race war. Your a useful idiot for the radical propaganda.

To be radical is not necessarily bad. It really depends on context.

But blacks are 2x more likely to be pulled over and searched despite driving less and being less likely to jave contraband on them.

Your prisons are disproportionately filled with blacks and Hispanics.

Let's not pretend racism isn't a thing in the USA.

I didn’t say racism wasn’t a thing in America. Another strawman argument. I said America is not a white supremacy.

Also, by your logic, America must be sexist against men because over 90% of the prison population is male. It’s almost like statistics can be manipulated to push any agenda you want...

Ok. That's fair.

Don’t get me wrong, there are race issues in America, especially in inner cities. But many of those problems are the same in “white trash” communities (high drug use, crime, poverty, poor education, single mothers and deadbeat dads etc...).

Identity politics is putting people on different sides who face the same problems in their communities.

As much as I dislike Marx, he has a great point that the proletariat need to join forces to make positive changes that benefit more than just the elites.

I love agreeing with sensible people.

Precisely. How many legitimate white racists do you know under the age of 50? Racism is sensational and so the media loves it. The Western media is toxic. It's called mankind. Not white mankind or black mankind or womankind or Peoplekind. Sorry Justin Trudeau :P There are inherent differences between the races and inherent differences between men and women but these differences don't necessarily make us enemies. Often, as in the case of men and women which is most obvious these inherent differences are the same thing that means we complement each other well. One offers that which the other cannot.

Hold on a sec. Racism is a universal problem. There are assholes everywhere just like there are good people everywhere. The same minority's that make the most noise in the US only have a political voice because a predominantly white populace voted to give them one. White people freed the slaves and gave women the right to vote. I know the counterpoint is that it was withheld from these groups beforehand but it was the same state of play for many countries mired in a patriarchal system. The point is that the dominant group had a moral compass. Even if it's a result of Christian morality the point is that they showed empathy and compassion and changed their ways. Even though it diminished their power as the dominant class on the long run. White men are not the devil. We've fucked up. Repeatedly. Name a rave that hasn't. Identity politics is absolutely bullshit. You can't legislate for assholes. And of course there's institutional racism in the US. But let's not pretend that drug dealing and gang banging isn't an institution in and of itself. It takes an exceptional negro to look at the quick and easy material rewards their gang banging counterparts real and not be swayed to do the same. Who wants to hit the books when you could be doing drugs and getting your sick sucked? I know which one id rather :P There was a time when racism was widespread in the US and blacks could have considered themselves genuinely oppressed. As time goes on, while there are still racist assholes, the matter of their legitimate oppression by whites is diminishing. At a certain point the black community needs to unshackle themselves from an unhealthy victim mentality which seems to prevail today. They're largely hurting themselves and landing themselves in jail in the process. Let's not pretend that even though there might be double the blacks in jail in the US than whites that they are all innocent or instances of jailing merely because of skin colour. I'd wager if you interviewed each individual prisoner they'd concede they were young and dumb and fucked up. Racism is a thing everywhere and institutional crime is more prevalent in areas where there are a high concentration of blacks living. It's up to them to break the cycle at this stage. Unfortunately it's a self-fulfilling and self-perpetuating prophecy at this stage.

And there's your racism. You're willing to pretend that all imprisoned people belong in jail, attribute abolition to white people, deny racial profiling in crime enforcement and the workforce, and ignore ongoing racial conflict.

Yes, I'll concede racism knows no borders. No, I won't deny that anyone can be an abolitionist. But I also won't pretend that racism was (and in many ways still is) a de facto policy of the United States. And I won't ignore the inherited ramifications of such oppression in the United States.

I won't ignore that it happens in other countries. But I'm not gonna resign myself in defeat that it's an unbreakable cycle. And let's drop any pretense that racism isn't just a tool used by the rich and powerful to dupe the stupid and oppressed into infighting. That deserves to be said more often.

Together we can take liberty. But divided, we'll forever be slaves.

Nope. Not a racist but you go ahead and label everyone if it makes you happy. I don't pretend that but its equally true for white prisoners as it is for any other race. Yes white people abolished slavery. The slaves didn't imprison themselves but they didn't free themselves either. It doesn't make it okay but it shows a moral conscience developing. By the way, in modern slavery white women are the most coveted slaves along with children. I don't deny racial profiling at all but there's a reason they do it and it involves prior indiscretions. Just like a semetic looking person probably gets pulled for security checks more often in a pot-9/11 world. Nobody is saying its a policy of the US. Its a natural facet of human beings. A black baby in a mixed race room will look at black faces over the white ones. It discriminates in a sense. This is an extremely benign form of racism but its racism nonetheless minus all the hateful connotations. It happens all over. Its an inherent property of humans. Of course the media, as the propaganda arm of the elite, using divide and conquer tactics to cause division across racial lines but the same is true for religious, political and socio-economic lines. But we're not all the same. All men are not created equal. There are differences among the races. Difference is not necessarily a bad thing. Pretending we're all equal cuckery is bullshit. Very nice of you to group me with a group you view as despicable (racists) thus creating a division between yourself and I and then end your post with proselytizing bullshit about being together. Wankstain.

Slavery hasn't been abolished.

Okay Kanye

Penal slavery is alive and well across the globe. Often poverty, ethnicity, or political affiliation itself is enough to brand you as among the criminal class, who is fit for slavery.

Kanye. Best compliment all week. It hasn't been the best week for compliments. But I'll take it.

Get learnt.

While he might be a great artist hes also confirmed bipolar. Thanks for the advice but I generally don't take it from "woke" users who read the works of an esoteric bullshit peddler. But by all means continue your practical further education.

1. He has made some great music.

2. Who isn't mentally ill these days?

3. Thanks, but no thanks? Which is it?

4. How do you know what I've been reading and why do you assume it's esoteric bullshit that I paid for.

5. Thanks for your permission, or was that sarcasm? I can't tell because the whole comment reads like nonsense in the context of.

6. Slavery persists into the 21st century. It hasn't been abolished. It's used extensively as a means of societal control and cheap/free labor.

7. Who dismisses social issues by calling the messenger Kanye? Like, I know you did, but WHY? Was your intention to dismiss disapproval of slavery as a mental illness?

8. Can you define 'esoteric'?

1. I love Kanye. I just don't agree with everything he says. He legitimately has bi-polar though. He's even admitted this. Listen to Ye or even FML from TLOP for proof of this.
2. As someone who has an immediate family member in a psychiatric unit right now (who worships Kanye by the way) I can categorically say, not me. Good of you to make light of legitimate psychiatric illness though.
3. No thanks.
4. Because your username is Robert Anton Wilson you fucking douche.
5. It was sarcasm and you couldn't tell because you're an idiot. Do what thou wilt motherfucker. You don't need my permission I give zero total shits.
6. You're an uneducated fuck. Black state sanctioned slavery was abolished. Of course it still exists on the underground just like it existed before abolition. It may be cheap but it's not free is it? Money in exchange for goods/services. Welcome to capitalism. If you have an actual working alternative that wouldn't result in mere anarchy being loosed upon the world free to fly it by the UN.
7. You're a messenger of nothing. I called you Kanye because it sounded like you were parroting something he said recently. You're point here is garbled nonsense. Wage slavery, as you see it, is just the fucking system we live in. Think about it. If there were no incentive to work (money) how much work would get done? Apart from a few outstanding motherfuckers who produce something of worth it would be extremely difficult to get most people to do anything productive. Don't believe me? Ever been in a welfare line? It's a long fucking line. A lot of those people are able bodied. The will to work isn't there. Do you have an alternative means to incentivise production? Just keep shot posting and screeching on the internet about how it's a fucked system just be aware that the platform you're screeching on wouldn't even exist without capitalism. Is it a perfect system? Fuck no. Is it the best we've got? Fuck yeah it is.
8. I'm not your fucking dictionary. If you want a definition ask google but here's an approximation. Fringe topics.
9. Get learNED you ignorant dunce. Don't try to hide behind Kanye like a shield or pretend he's some paragon of wisdom. He's not. Don't try to label me as someone who derides the mentally ill when I literally spend more time with people who are legitimately mentally ill then you ever have in your life. You actually belittled those people with your stupid comment about everyone being mentally ill these days. I don't care what anti-depressants you're on. You're just talking out your ass and you don't even understand the system you're attacking. Good day.

Many rule 10s here. Your next comment like this is going to result in a permanent ban - here's your warning.

I think you have reading and writing problems. When people say “only white people are prejudiced, project power, or harm other groups,” without qualification, that means white people and all other groups worldwide, not just the west... That phrase does not state US, or western countries. At best, it’s poor writing and failure to qualify where someone means.

You do realize that -most- people, regardless of where they are from in the world, only talk about -their- area of the world, right? So while you are technically correct that people are not qualifying...that's just human nature across the board. On any topic.

Okay, well, generally speaking people need to be careful about widespread declarative statements, such as about racism. If they aren’t open to being called out it means they are in an echo chamber and not very educated on the issues. Writing 101 is to use qualifiers. Also, lots of people on here aren’t from the US, so qualifying things shows awareness of that fact and good argumentation.

You're obviously just arguing for the sake of internet points or something. You win have a nice day.

Actually no, I pointed out something about having to analyze things globally, and you tried to make it about the US, literally as if you didn’t read or understand my point. My refutation stands. Thanks for playing.

damn with the internet points! You win again!

If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.. saying you are responding to Nazis or racists is not conversing, for your reference.

White guilt used to be an exclusively white thing.

Now minorities (traditionally racist af) have noticed how fucked-up of a complex white people have and have turned it up to 11 as a way of getting back at us and enriching themselves. Of course, if a white person goes against the minority saying this opinion they are themselves racist. It's a feedback loop.

Whites aren't one group of people.

Yeh but we can be better by dissecting such fallacies and reminding people just how diverse humans are and how whilst we should learn from our ancestral mistakes, we are not doomed to repeat them.

This idea that there is one monolithic white group, both in culture and in historical guilt, is absurdly reductionist and a form of ignorance itself. It actually violates other social justice norms such as not stereotyping or essentializing people by race, gender, etc. Swedish people are not the same culture as Greek. Not everyones family comes from one of the main colonizer groups. Not everyone’s family was even in the US during slavery, etc. Yes there is much more to the institutionalized racism argument, I know, but people also stop throwing around their own hateful, stereotyping, monolithic statements about white people. It does nothing for justice nor understanding.

Those who are able to and do abuse others will get criticized. This varies from one country to another.

It is the unequal distribution of prejudices that make it imperative that people counter the dominant prejudices. It is a form of social eugenics where if not challenged may further persecute minority views.

Obama, MTV and progressive media made this ok. BLM is a pack of lies meant to further enslave blacks, and sever their relations with others.

phew sounds like a tough day

You seem hypersensitive here. Like you are refusing to admit that as a white person, you enjoy benefits and opportunities that non-white people would not share. It's not a big deal, especially if you admit that about yourself. How else can you be friends with non-white people?

Penal slavery is alive and well across the globe. Often poverty, ethnicity, or political affiliation itself is enough to brand you as among the criminal class, who is fit for slavery.

Kanye. Best compliment all week. It hasn't been the best week for compliments. But I'll take it.

Get learnt.

1. He has made some great music.

2. Who isn't mentally ill these days?

3. Thanks, but no thanks? Which is it?

4. How do you know what I've been reading and why do you assume it's esoteric bullshit that I paid for.

5. Thanks for your permission, or was that sarcasm? I can't tell because the whole comment reads like nonsense in the context of.

6. Slavery persists into the 21st century. It hasn't been abolished. It's used extensively as a means of societal control and cheap/free labor.

7. Who dismisses social issues by calling the messenger Kanye? Like, I know you did, but WHY? Was your intention to dismiss disapproval of slavery as a mental illness?

8. Can you define 'esoteric'?