Don't vaccinate. If you come to a conspiracy board for information about your baby, you shouldn't vaccinate.

My advice is not to vaccinate. The parent coming to a conspiracy board for advice, and Darwin are the reasons.

This sub has covered vaccines many times

Yes, it has, but you are still here asking for some reason. Those other "many times" weren't enough. You've got a baby and the clock is ticking.

Rule 10. You're going to need to find another sub if these are the types of contributions you have to offer the users here.

Because if you don't vaccinate, the child will surely die!

Its a miracle that anyone survived to adulthood in the not so distant past!

Roll the dice and vaccinate her.

I would. I think the benefits outweigh the harm done.

Unfortunately such studies have not been performed

Seriously? Asking the anonymous denizens of reddit for medical advice?

What does your pediatrician say?

That sounds a lot like BS.

By law there should be forms given to you with every vaccination describing what it is and what the risks are. That's crazy your doctor would not provide those to you, definitely find a new one.

Here is the CDC's scheduling.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

At the bottom under "acronyms" you can see the brand names for the various vaccines they recommend. You can then start searching for the drug names to learn more about each individual one, and the studies done to prove their efficacy and their dangers.

For instance, Hep B is a common virus vaccinated against.

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm224503.pdf

This is what the FDA says about ENGERIX-B, one of the vaccines.

Back in the day when my kids were young, we never even questioned what was or wasn’t in the vaccine. We just trusted the doctor and let them inject that poison right into the kids. Never even occurred to me to question it or see what was in them. I would research if I had a chance to do it again. We have not been told the truth about a lot of things from the govt etc and look at the messes we have now. Definitely research and don’t do anything until you know in your heart that you are making the right choice for your family. Good luck!

I was really disappointed, she wouldn’t give me information and just asked me to leave. I just want information.

I would love dearly to hear her side of that exchange.

Under the presumption that doctors aren't emotional, illogical, biased, or have skin in the game of pushing unnecessary vaccines?

I would love dearly to hear her side of that exchange.

Pediatrician probably says what theyre paid to say.

Anti-vaxxers make the flat earthers look like Einstein.

Not even remotely comparable, sad that you actually think they are. Why are you even on this sub?

You're correct. Anti-vaxxers make single cell life forms look like Einstein.

Well, now we can all see why you're really here...

.. to parrot mainstream narratives, and to recycle the same bad joke.

So again. If you have no interest in questioning anything, why are you here? Shouldnt you be arguing about Russia in a mainstream news subreddit?

Hey, do a bro a solid. I can't go back further than single-cell organisms.

Planck spherical units

Dark matter here. Represent!

vaccinate the child.. the positive completely outweigh the possible negatives

I'd rather be dead than have autism for the rest of my life.

When are you doing it?

Yes, definitely vaccinate. But ask the doctor if you can get separate vacations and not the ones grouped together. The CDC doesn't test the effects of multiple vaccinations at the same time and some people think this is the leading cause to vaccination illnesses and the rise in autism.

This seems like reasonable advice.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that overstimulation of the immune system is a concern for me, and spreading out the vaccinations might help alleviate this potential problem.

Based on what is it a concern for you?

Based on papers like this - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3890451/

And based on having studied biochemistry in general and having taken courses in immunology.

Here's a other to support your ideas: https://www.nature.com/articles/cmi2017151

Thank you!

Dont know, having an autistic kid is really tough.

Vaccinate your baby.

I respect that you want to be informed but be aware asking antivaxxers for vaccine advice is like asking the NRA if repealing the 2nd is a good idea.

You really would be better speaking to a doctor about your concerns.

You will find scientific papers detailing some down sides to vaccines, there are always dangers in medicines ranging from a minor rash to death. However in the overwhelming majority of cases there is little risk. A doctor may be able to give you a % risk to your child but I really don't feel comfortable giving such important advice myself.

I really don't tend to get involved in vaccine posts so I don't have any links I'm afraid. I am biochemistry graduate and just wanted to give some advice.

This redditor has posted several :

u/PrestigiousProof

Doctors are good at many things, but most of them aren't educated in immunology, nutrition, etc.

Vaccines have many unwanted side effects, including permanent injury and death. Read up on the vaccine court.

In theory, vaccines can prevent disease, but in modern practice, they are cheaply manufactured and contaminated with unlisted ingredients. (see recent study on this)

Every doctor studies immunology, they may not be experts but they have studied it.

My sister went through med school. She said they got a single 3-hour seminar on nutrition, which to her was the most surprising gap in what they were taught.

To be fair, she followed the recommended vaccine regimen, but I wouldn't call doctors especially knowledgeable on nutrition by default.

My sister didn't get her baby vaccinated. Nothing bad ever happened to him.

Vaccinate your baby or buy a very small coffin.

Talk about fear mongering. The risk of your child getting one of the diseases vaccinated against are very low.

The risk of infection however is 100% higher for an unvaccinated child.

Things like measles outbreaks are occurring more frequently and can prove fatal. There is a non zero chance your child is infected with something growing up.

Interestingly, some of these outbreaks have been traced to fully vaccinated patients! Personally, I worry about the risks and the unknown risks of vaccines. Scientists aren't nearly as all-knowing about these things as the public seems to think.

There was about 1 measles death each year in the United States in the past decade. Usually in people with a medical condition and immune system weakness. Not in healthy people.

In any given year your chance of dying from measles are 1 in 340 million. That is a lifetime risk of 1 in 4 million.

Lifetime risk of dying from a shark attack is 1 in 8 million.

Food for thought: maybe the chance is so low because most people are vaccinated.

yes vaccination seem to have reduced the number of reported measles cases near to zero.

More frequently? Even the pro-vaxx sources say there are fewer outbreaks than ever. (Thanks to vaccines! naturally) At least be consistent with tour messaging.

Actually it's called herd immunity. On their own unvaccinated children are fine and protected by the larger group that is vaccinated.

When the unvaccinated population increases the group loses this immunity and diseases will begin to appear more, just like they are now. Largely, this is due to the uneducated choosing to disregard sound medical advice.

Actually it's called herd immunity.

Yes, I'm well aware of herd immunity. At some point, the risk of catching a disease becomes so low (since it has mostly been eradicated) that the potential risks of vaccines outweigh the benefits.

Great, so what actual medical benefits come from not vaccinating?

What benefits come from having a natural immune system? I don't think that is the appropriate question.

I think the real question is, what are the potential risks of getting vaccinated, and are there potentially any unknown risks? I believe that there are potentially unknown risks, such as an increased predisposition to autoimmune diseases and other immune dysfunctions, like food allergies. I hate to break it to you, but scientists really don't have all the answers, and unknown risks are a distinct possibility.

The vaccines are not typically live. It's the same as catching the disease and your immune system recovering from it.

Please elaborate more on these unknown risks though, you should be able to if you're going against sound medical advice.

Its the same as catching many different diseases all at once, and your immune system reacting to it. In a young and developing immune system, there is concern that this can lead to a hyperactive and overstimulated immune system that gets "bored," for lack of a better word, that can might then go and attack other complex proteins (like legume proteins), and might even start attacking your own body!

I honestly would appreciate any reading you have on this, provided it's sourced and clinically researched and not someone crazy on the internet.

I haven't read anything recently, but that is my opinion after reading papers that I read in the past and cant exactly remember their titles. But after searching, this article seems like a decent summary of some of the concerns:

https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/vaccines-allergies-link/

Well you avoid allluminum being pumped into you which is known to cause brain related illness. You also avoid the chance of getting a poorly made/bad batch which isn't a conspiracy at all.

Considering most vaccines have had very little testing on very small amounts of people, I really only trust the most well known and oldest of vaccines like measles etc. Stuff like HPV vaccine is scary at best when you look at the facts.

You know you're exposed to more aluminium putting on deodorant or drinking from a can, right?

And most vaccines are tried out on small groups for potential side effects FIRST, before being introduced to a SECOND trial group to replicate the results. Then they typically go through another trial phase at the behest of the FDA. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's impossible to understand.

We've come a long way from rubbing puss from an infected person into another person's wounds, as was done in the first vaccinations.

I don't use anti perspirant(don't get that and deodorant confused please).

I don't drink from cans.

And neither of those are going directly into my blood and thus brain, even if I did. It's not even comparable.

And 'most'.. Oh yeah, I love when testing of something that could have life long health consequences had 'most' to describe testing for said life long health consequences.. Sounds legit 😂

Most, in this instance, meaning those that are approved for widespread use. While the Ebola vaccine has shown efficacy keep in mind it wasn't tested with such rigor first. Barring anything experimental, any vaccination you're to get from your general practice has been tested rigorously.

The amount of aluminum in certain vaccines is negligible, and specifically chemically designed NOT to cross into the brain, they are designed to be broken down and excreted by the body. I can say with certainty you've exposed yourself to more aluminium, even unwittingly through environmental contact, than is contained in any vaccination or series of vaccinations.

The HPV vaccine wasn't tested rigorously it was tested on 1600 girls before being pumped into 10's of millions.

And yes I would have been subject to more alluminum from the environment because I've never has a vaccine to give me any.

You make a lot of certain assertions with nothing to back it up. 'chemically designed to not cross into the brain' 😂 good one bro. You sure showed me. 1 more downvote please.

Actually research started on the HPV vaccination in the 80's, a cursory Google Search shows that, third phase trials weren't started until the 2000's.

Your second assertion is not comprehensible. I'm guessing you're saying you've no traces of aluminum in your body because you've never been vaccinated? While you might never have been vaccinated you'll still have aluminum in your body from the environment, you can't escape that.

Third, there's this wonderful barrier between your blood and your brain bud. While it lasts certain chemicals in, it keeps others out. Maybe study some physiology?

Elaborate on how it's chemically designed to not cross the blood-brain barrier was my point. And I was saying obviously I've been exposed environmentally, more than vaccines, because I've had no vaccines so any envirobmental would be more. Learn to read.

Yea at this point you're committing ad hominem attacks. If your point had been made clear and concise. It's still poorly, poorly written.

And I apologize for my faux pas, but you're clearly trying to bait me into attacking your person at this point and I will no longer respond to you after this. As for the exact chemistry, I'm no chemist but I put trust in those who are to be able to tell me exactly how a certain drug or protein interacts with the human physiology.

My general understanding is that the virus is chemically bonded to a protein, the protein often containing aluminum you're referring too. That is then what your immune system absorbs and disposes of through normal bodily functions, i.e. your lymphic system, kidneys, etc. None of that is contained in your brain, not would the blood brain barrier allow these proteins through. So go troll someone else, or better yourself and talk to an actual doctor.

As for the exact chemistry, I'm no chemist but I put trust in those who are to be able to tell me exactly how a certain drug or protein interacts with the human physiology.

Oh so you don't know what you are actually talking about and it's all just FAITH that bigpharma couldn't possibly ever hurt you or not care. A huh. You sure showed me dude! One simple question and you couldn't actually provide any information. Just 'belief'. What a sheep.

Stop fear mongering. It's not an absolute one or the other.

Gosh that's not fear-mongering.

But, how do we even exist as a species then? They didn’t have vaccinations 1,000 years ago.

Communicable diseases weren't really a problem until we started living in massive urban conurbations.

Both of the diseases you mentioned were an issue because of extremely poor sanitation, hygiene, and nutrition.

TIL: Plague could be cured by good sanitation, hygiene and nutrition.

No... not even remotely what I said. I don't think you understand how terrible sanitation and personal hygiene was back in those days.

https://history.libraries.wsu.edu/fall2014/2014/08/29/povertys-effect-on-the-spread-of-black-death-in-1348/

There have been various outbreaks of different diseases in the past, one very recognizable one being the Black Death in 1348 that spread quickly across Europe and claimed thousands of victims. The living conditions during this time period as well as in parts of Africa were very poor, the small dirty living spaces as well as the unsanitary animals and a lack of clean drinking water impacted not only the introduction but the spread of the Black Death. This lack of access to essential items made family’s more susceptible to the disease, whereas the rich who had food and clean quarters mostly escaped unharmed. Utilizing different writing resources and authors will show that outside factors such as living conditions, animals, and access to clean drinking water impacted the introduction and spread of the Black plague and it’s connection to the recent Ebola outbreak.

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July 8, 1348 the father passed away of the disease, as promised all of the money and property was left to his wife and sons. Over time the sons began to pass of the same symptoms so the daughter was sent away to live with nuns with the hope that it would cleanse her soul and keep her safe from the plague. The entire family died off but because of the clean amenities the daughter managed to live a full life. This family along with many other wrote wills in preparation for what seemed inevitable, an inescapable “curse” that challenged ties with people outside of the home. Many relied solely on family even if one became infected often times the entire family would remain loyal in the household facing death as opposed to fleeing.(Kelly Wray, S.) “The pandemic probably originated in the Central Asiatic steppe where a permanent reservoir of plague bacilli is maintained among the wild rodents.”(443) Due to the conditions rodents wandered through houses and sewers spreading the disease through various households. Once infected people became covered in lumps and developed high fevers, their bodies became contorted and after much pain and comfort they would die. Bodies were strewn all over homes and in the streets giving power for the disease to spread. The author describes how the people did not believe that the disease was “caused by infection but was sent directly from God,”(444) as a punishment for individual sins.(Michael Dols trans)

Vaccinate your baby or buy a very small coffin.

I fail to understand what you mean. Are you saying that people who don't get vaccinated are almost guaranteed to die young?

Personally, I will not be vaccinating my children. Its also a subject that I don't plan to bring up, because there has been so much propaganda regarding the subject.

It comes down to a matter of trust. Do you trust that the risk of your child getting a disease outweighs the risks of vaccination (and the unknown risks)? Nobody can give you a definitive answer on that, although they may pretend to.

There is a massive amount of pro-vaccine propaganda out there, so you should expect most people to respond extremely negatively, and even with hostility, to the idea. There is a lot of money on the line with the vaccine lobby, but I also worry that there are other reasons for the propaganda.

Believe it or not, I have a background in biochemistry. I worked in a research lab, and have published papers on myotonic dystrophy. And for me, it comes down to a matter of trust. I know how vaccines work, but I worry about unknown and hidden side effects and long-term effects. I also know that the chances of my child coming down with one of these diseases is extremely low.

So the way I see it, either way I'm taking a risk. And I'd prefer my child to be as healthy and natural as possible.

Of course!

I hate to say it, but nobody knows for sure. Of course if you google that, you will read that there is no connection despite the allegations, and I would take that with a grain of salt.

What I can say is that there appear to be more cases of children with extreme allergies and other autoimmune diseases (like Crohn's disease, for example).

As an aside, two of my cousins who were born two years apart were both born with what appeared to be extreme food allergies. They have no family history of these food allergies, and nobody knows how they got them or where they came from. We just recently found out that one of them has Crohn's disease, and the other apparently just has food allergies.

I've always wondered what caused that, and I've had a small suspicion that vaccines might have had something to do with it. Who knows, it really seems impossible to get a definitive answer. But I can definitely imagine how vaccines might have unintended or hidden side-effects that may predispose people to these sorts of immune system dysfunctions.

Well, I'm sure an oral vaccine would be absorbed, otherwise it wouldn't work. I'm not sure about weakening the gut barrier. Personally, I'm more concerned with the over-stimulation of a child's immune system, and potentially with unknown effects of the other chemicals present in vaccines. Perhaps T cell production can't keep up and so self-antigens start causing damage.

Again, there are so many unknowns here that I can only really tell you that I don't know, and having read papers on the subject I really don't think anyone can say that they know for sure that some vaccines couldn't predispose some people to auto-immune and other diseases.

By the way, here is a thread (that was censored) that gives some insight into why peanut allergies have become so prevalent. Vaccinations are implicated, which makes sense in the context of our conversation.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/askscience/comments/91sir2/why_is_a_peanut_allergy_much_more_common_than_say?sort=top

propaganda

I know there's a lot of "lie by omission" data out there, but I don't know of much actual proof of propaganda that X or Y vaccine must be done that really outright lies?

I don't think something necessarily has to be a lie to be propaganda. Someone once said that the best propaganda is that which is based in the truth. But I'm mostly just referring to all the hostile anti-vaxxer posts and ads and that sort of thing that I see so often.

first of all - as much as I love this board.. it is absolutely not the best source on this subject.

for the love of Christ if you love your child and want to give them the best chance in life please vaccinate them.

Do your research! Read the ingredients of the vaccines! Vaccinate with ALL the information. Mercury and Aluminum have NO place in human biology.

I agree! I don’t believe that formaldehyde or other people’s blood belongs in them either. Please do lots of research on the subject. We were able to get a waiver signed and notarized for my grand daughter that we gave to her doctor and daycare etc so they won’t be asking for any shot records for her. There may be instances down the road where we may have to decide to put her in a different school system but I would rather have that choice than have her become sick or develop adhd or some other issue. The human body is a very strong machine that can heal itself from lots of problems if we only give it a chance. Also don’t forget there is a lot of cash on the line for the big Pharma companies and doctors. Good luck!

I would start by watching the video John Oliver did. Go through all of his sources and make an educated guess. I'm having a baby myself in 2 weeks and he will be getting vaccinated.

https://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

What have you decided regarding circumcision?

He won't be getting circumsised either. We don't see a reason to mutilate his genitals for purely asthetic purposes. As an uncircumsized male myself, we will teach him how to clean and have proper hygene. We'll leave that decision up to him when he gets older if he wants to do it.

That's good news, glad to hear it!

Statistically, your baby is more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the doctors office than they are to have a life threatening reaction from the vaccines. Personally, my kids get their vaccines, just on a slightly delayed schedule so they aren’t getting so many at once. We also don’t do the flu shot. Look up delayed vaccine schedules. I think it’s a good middle ground and it may help you feel better about going forward with the vaccines.

The Dr Sears schedule. It’s from one of his baby books but you can find it online. Don’t be afraid to try a few pediatricians to find one you feel comfortable with. I went through some terrible ones before finding one I really trust. It’s hard enough having a shitty doctor that brushes off your concerns with something like this, but way worse when your child has a medical issue and they’re still brushing you off.

I'm a parent. I vaccinated my kids, but I did a delayed schedule because I don't believe the schedule has been tested enough to be trusted. I went with none before age one, and one vaccine at a time after that. Two months between each vaccination so if any problems occurred (they didn't), we had an idea of what might be the cause. By "one vaccine" at a time, I mean one needle stick, not one disease... to clarify for instance, they bundle diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis into one DTaP vaccine. I let my kids have the DTaP vaccine, but not any others that day.

I was inspired to caution by my family full of people with autoimmune disorders with no known cause(s), as well as association with a family who had a vaccine-injured child. I still wholeheartedly believe in vaccine technology, but I don't think it's moral to mandate them legally.

It's well known that new born babies' blood brain barriers are more vulnerable to toxins or drugs. While their blood-brain barriers are developed and their brains do have defensive mechanisms in place, they are much more vulnerable to disruption.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314990/

They also have an immunity carry-over from their mothers for about the first 6 months of life making any vaccinations during that period completely unnecessary.

I would have preferred to wait until they were 4 or 5, but having the ones for public school was a consideration. Just a mom instinct, but seems like there's less chance of systemic damage when the systems are more mature. The history of autoimmune disorders in the family, coupled with the lack of answers about what caused those disorders put me on high alert regarding things that directly affect the immune system, especially a developing one. Seemed unnatural and therefore potentially dangerous to inject this infant with (insert list of vaccine ingredients here) when he only had breastmilk running through him otherwise.

Rhonda Patrick is a doctor of Neuroscience, I believe, and discussed vaccines on the Joe Rogan show. She’s very informative. She talks about how vaccines trigger an immune response that is hard on the body and brain. Essentially you should space out the vaccines to one at a time with a significant time interval. And don’t let doctors or your family pressure you. Trust your gut and do your research. Vaccines are big money makers and even my two MD parents are very skeptical.

The hospital where my parents work requires them to get the flu shot but they both refuse and are forced to wear surgical masks for 6 months out of the year. Last years flu shot was 10% effective. Is it really worth putting some foreign substance into your body for 10%? No.

Last years flu shot was 10% effective.

You have a statistic for that?

My wife’s obgyn is where I first heard this statistic. This Time article claims that it was 17% effective in Canada and 10% in Australia. Other articles show as much as 36% in the U.S.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot

Also known as ineffective or perhaps even counterproductive.

Where are the pro-vaxxers telling me I'm murdering their children by not invading my circulatory system with foreign compounds?

I am pro vaccine, and I don't know if 10% is a correct number but this year flu vaccine was a miss. Flu undergoes antigenic drift and each year teams try to predict the dominant strains but picking the 4 most likely candidates. This year the strains were different enough so the vaccine was not terribly effective... although its hard to know if the vaccine decreased duration of symptoms or other effects like reducing spread.

I stopped taking it 4-5 years ago and have not had the flu since.

Rhonda Patrick is a doctor of Neuroscience, I believe, and discussed vaccines on the Joe Rogan show. She’s very informative. She talks about how vaccines trigger an immune response that is hard on the body and brain. Essentially you should space out the vaccines to one at a time with a significant time interval.

There is no evidence for this. The immune response from vaccines is a tiny fraction of the disease response from an actual infection, say chicken pox.

Most reactions to vaccine are fairly mild while a full blown infection comes with systemic inflammation, fevers, cytokine release etc.

The hospital where my parents work requires them to get the flu shot but they both refuse and are forced to wear surgical masks for 6 months out of the year.

Honestly, the only relatively good evidence we have is for health care workers to get he flu vaccine because it protects vulnerable populations like young children and elderly...

You should read up. You're statements don't match current understanding:

https://www.nature.com/articles/cmi2017151

Did you read the actual paper? not the abstract, the actual paper. Cross reactivity is true of pretty much anything we put into our system and this includes the actual pathogens. They address certain rare but known complications of current vaccines. There is nothing about antigen burden or about spreading out vaccines. Yes, nothing is 100% safe, there are rare complications to vaccines, but this is literally true of every medication. The benefits outweigh the risks and that is why we continue to use the medications and vaccines we have.

This is a) a superficial review paper b) does not address your concerns or claims c) I don't think you read more than the abstract d) this a rather poorly written review for a nature paper.

Find a local integrative or holistic doctor and ask them any questions you may have.

There is also an interview by Dr. Cammy Benton that is very informative. The interview should still be on YouTube.

Having had a friend who died in her early thirties of measles (not vaccinated) I advise you strongly to completely and immediately vaccinate. Autism has been around for a much longer time than vaccines. There are true risks with vaccines; they are acceptable compared to the true risks of not vaccinating. Your only hope would be that all kids around you are vaccinated, and that herd immunity keeps your kid healthy. If there is even a small number of missing vaccinations in your circle of friends your kid may end up with a life changing yet preventable disease.

Vaccinate for the same reason that you wear a seat belt in a car. There are risks with wearing a seatbelt (you could get trapped in a burning car) but they are far outweighed by not dying in a survivable accident.

If you want any easy to understand facts, google “child mortality graph USA” and you will see graphs that went down from 10% deaths to 1% over a 100 year period. That is all due to mainstream medicine; not to alternative medicine. Mainstream vaccination, 60s onwards, contributed to a drop of 2% to less than 1%. More than 2 tines likely to survive

Hope this helps.

Not every child can get vaccinated. There are conditions/disorders that prevent 100% of children from getting vaccinated. Those children (<1%) are protected by the other 99.9% of vaccinated children. It’s difficult for measles to spread to an unvaccinated child if all of his classmates are vaccinated against measles.

As more parents forego vaccination, herd immunity starts to lose its effectiveness.

These are questions you should ask a doctor. From the CDC website, it appears the vaccine prevents the child from contracting the disease, it does not mitigate the side effects. source.

I believe that the number of germs that are present in a carrier is less than that in someone who has succumbed to the illness. As an infection progresses in a sick person, the germs replicate and grow in number, which increases the likelihood of those germs infecting other people. With a person who may carry a disease but has not/will not become sick, the number of germs is small enough that they are statistically less likely to pass it along.

They won’t pass it on. Kids who cannot be vaccinated (because they have really nasty diseases) won’t get polio, measles, the works thanks to herd immunity. Thanks to a very very large fraction of kids being vaccinated. In other words: vaccinating your baby, if you choose to do so, is as much an altruistic contribution to the very ill kids in society as a contribution to your own child’s health. Arguably you take a, very small, risk of an adverse reaction. Parents whose children cannot get vaccinated do not take that risk but have no choice. And they are probably in and out of hospital with their kids because of underlying health problems.

It's just numbers. The more people vaccinated means the fewer sick people and germs to propagate diseases.

I will try and dig something out when I have a minute.

Vaccines prime the immune system. If or when a vaccinated kid contacts measles, the immune system will deal with it and destroy it immediately.

Vitamins are important for your body to function. Without a good balance your body will function less well; for example it may weaken your immune system, making you more susceptible to get ill.

Vitamins are important to stay healthy, but they cannot train your immune system to recognise measles or polio. So even with the best diet in the world, without vaccination your body will not attack, for example, the measles virus, it will multiply in your body before your immune system is ready, and you fall ill. If you are lucky (I was) it lasts a week. If you are unlucky, it can be fatal. In the meantime you will infect everybody around you. Vaccinated people won’t notice as their immune system will destroy it. People who’ve had measles the same. The rest will get it and the disease progresses. The more vaccinated people, the slower the disease progresses. If enough people are vaccinated, the disease will perish as their is no person nearby who can carry it along.

I didn’t find any light reading, but Wikipedia has some great information if you want to go in depth.

No worries. Good luck.

If you want any easy to understand facts, google “child mortality graph USA” and you will see graphs that went down from 10% deaths to 1% over a 100 year period. That is all due to mainstream medicine; not to alternative medicine. Mainstream vaccination, 60s onwards, contributed to a drop of 2% to less than 1%. More than 2 tines likely to survive

Hope this helps

this is complete BS. Over 90% of the mortality drop happened before the introduction of antibiotics and vaccines.

We violently agree. It is the last factor 2 or more (see the last sentence) that was vaccine related. The first factor 5 was other things, including hygiene. My point is: it was science that pushed this agenda; including hygiene. Including vaccine. There wasn’t an outcry that hygiene caused autism, and that soap has deadly ingredients in it.

There is good reasons to be sceptical about hygiene. There is a fair chance that too much hygiene is under training our immune systems.

100% correct. My argument is that all these were driven by scientists, and by the lion share of people following best practice. Science isn’t always right; but we are much better off following mainstream science than the person in 1930 who said hygiene is bad because soap contains elements that are poisonous.

(For the avoidance of doubt; I am making this but about the person up; but the same people who complain that there are atoms in vaccines that would be poisonous in different chemical substances, would have complained about hygiene in the 1930s, had they been around)

couple threads for you to explore through (no specific order)

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8yk0ef/the_impossibility_of_herd_immunity_through/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8yabax/discussion_you_are_putting_other_people_at_risk/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8ya3c8/the_whos_cdcs_and_fdas_vaccine_boondoggle_the_cdc/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8y93qt/vaccinegate_five_out_seven_analyzed_vaccines/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8yt9l3/health_canada_ordered_to_release_confidential/

I think this is a good book that might help you with decision making

https://www.drpaulapproved.com/the-vaccine-friendly-plan.html

Yes, highly recommended book. It advocates and outlines "a slower, evidence-based vaccine schedule that calls for only one aluminum-containing shot at a time".

Do not vaccinate! Do the research it is all over the web. Tell you in laws that if their children are vaccinated what are they worried about. Watch out for your doctor they are really pushing the vaccine and the schedule is absurd.

If your child was born in a US hospital, it's pretty much guaranteed that she's already had a vaccination of some kind on the day of birth.

Pregnant women are vaccinated as well.

The major side effect to vaccines are rashes and swelling at the injection site. The CDC records for public record all vaccine related illnesses in the VAERS or Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System. You can look at data there. Other countries like the UK also have similar databases. These are not all necessarily causal relationships, but rather a thorough reporting of any medical condition suffered soon after or somehow relating the administering of a vaccine.

here is a study by the NIH on VAERS and reactions to vaccines.

It is not in the slightest likely your child will suffer at all from a vaccine. The more people who do not vaccinate increase the likelihood of diseases being spread. Not vaccinating your child also means that later in life you have disallowed th from doing many things they might want to do for fear of dying, like working in medicine or traveling to countries without rigorous vaccination. You can look up death statistics and infant mortality rates in places like the DRC, Myanmar, and a Afghanistan for proof that vaccines aren’t just for show. Hundreds of millions of people have died over milliners to diseases we now don’t even consider an issue, like Rubella, Smallpox, and Polio, thanks to the amazing work put into vaccines.

Your family not allowing your child to see cousins and a likely result of your child not being allowed in public school is completely justified because by you not participating in the benefit of the public health means that you should not benefit from it yourself at the risk of others. It is your choice not to vaccinate according to the law, but you must be ready for the consequences, and if your child infects another, resulting in their death, you are wholly responsible and can face criminal charges and civil suits.

This isn’t meant to scare you, but if it does you’re understanding the consequences.

Not vaccinating your child also means that later in life you have disallowed th from doing many things they might want to do for fear of dying, like working in medicine or traveling to countries without rigorous vaccination

This is complete BS. You can still vaccinate at any point in life if you need or want to,

Some vaccines only take at a young age. It is possible to be tried for negligence in cases such as this. There is also nothing civil suits, so.. yeah.

I said look at statistics, as in the number of deaths from preventable diseases. Also a good deal of infant mortality is attributable to vaccination.

You don’t really sound like the kind of person who trusts the scientific method at all, so there’s really no point other teaching you these things other than to answer questions people on the fence might have.

Some vaccines only take at a young age. It is possible to be tried for negligence in cases such as this. There is also nothing civil suits

Never heard that happening so far.

I said look at statistics, as in the number of deaths from preventable diseases. Also a good deal of infant mortality is attributable to vaccination.

This is BS at least in the western world and I have consulted the available statistics for vaccine preventable diseases so it is a statement based on fact not wishful thinking. I challenge you to show me the historical data for a western nation that supports your claim.

You don’t really sound like the kind of person who trusts the scientific method at all, so there’s really no point other teaching you these things other than to answer questions people on the fence might have.

I am 100% pro-science, you might be 100% pro-science as a religion and you confuse not being 100% pro-science religion with being anti-science.

this article shows the drop in smallpox deaths in england in the 1800s. Upwards of 12% of deaths in England at the time were attributable to the disease. there were 0 smallpox deaths in england, or the rest of the world, since 1980 thanks to vaccination.

similar information about Rubella can be found through this link. Between 1964 and 1965, 2100 infants died from the disease and 12.5 million people were infected. over the last few years an average of 10 cases have been reported in the US, the majority of which contracted the disease due to travel abroad.

Also, science, by its nature, cannot be a religion. A person doesn't have "faith" in science the same way as religion. this is a very strange argument to bring up. When all the data points to a single conclusion, there is a consensus. People who are anti-vaccine hold onto a handful of papers and improper conclusions in order to bolster their inate fear of science and authority.

this article shows the drop in smallpox deaths in england in the 1800s. Upwards of 12% of deaths in England at the time were attributable to the disease. there were 0 smallpox deaths in england, or the rest of the world, since 1980 thanks to vaccination.

Smallpox mortality greatly declined in western nations with very low vaccination coverage or even in nations who did not vaccinate so you can not say it was due to vaccination. In fact some cities in the UK that did not vaccinate had lower mortality than vaccinating cities so that is not a good example. Do you have any stats that show the current childhood vaccination decreased mortality in a any significant way?

Between 1964 and 1965, 2100 infants died from the

That was a temporary epidemic if you average this over several decades and compare the deaths to millions of births it does not significantly affect mortality so that is a fail as well.

you are being completely unreasonable. Also, I don't understand the fascination there seems to be of directly quoting everything you want to talk about. Doesn't make sense to me.

Sure, small cities may have lower rates at a given point. if an outbreak happens though, and this happened a lot until vaccination became widespread, many many people will die, and then the survivors will not be infected for a time and then it happens again.

Also, as far as rubella is concerned, yeah, that was an outbreak. That's how rubella and measles infect. They surge in their presence and then fall back.

For both of these cases, you can't say that we went from 12% of deaths in england (and higher elsewhere) to 0% (that's a straight up 0/7 billion), without vaccines. otherwise you're being ridiculous. Numbers like this occur for nearly every single disease we've developed a vaccine for. The only reason for your movement is because people don't feel the need because the vast majority of work is already done.

all your arguments are either mischaracterizations of how diseases and vaccines function, or a refusal to understand basic concepts therein.

that's not how faith works. that's not science works. You heard this somewhere and it made sense to you so it stuck. it's not true though. And the wonderful thing about science, unlike religion, is that it works whether or not you believe it.

I have only continued this as far as I have because I think OP might be reading this. I have said more than enough to rebut your points for anyone who is reasonable, unlike yourself. Inasmuch as I have tried to educate you, I will not continue this any further because you have refused to accept any evidence or logic-based reasoning.

you are being completely unreasonable. Also, I don't understand the fascination there seems to be of directly quoting everything you want to talk about. Doesn't make sense to me.

Sure, small cities may have lower rates at a given point. if an outbreak happens though, and this happened a lot until vaccination became widespread, many many people will die, and then the survivors will not be infected for a time and then it happens again.

Also, as far as rubella is concerned, yeah, that was an outbreak. That's how rubella and measles infect. They surge in their presence and then fall back.

For both of these cases, you can't say that we went from 12% of deaths in england (and higher elsewhere) to 0% (that's a straight up 0/7 billion), without vaccines. otherwise you're being ridiculous. Numbers like this occur for nearly every single disease we've developed a vaccine for. The only reason for your movement is because people don't feel the need because the vast majority of work is already done.

I do not think you understand what I was saying. I did not say that vaccines can not prevent infection. I simply said that the vaccination program did not contribute much to our current low childhood mortality for various reasons:

As our society changed mortality greatly decreased for all diseases even before we started vaccinations or even when we had no vaccine for the disease. You can compare the mortality statistics and see that the mortality decrease was about the same in vaccinating and non-vaccinating nations. You can also see that most of the mortality of a disease declined before there was even a vaccine available so obviously vaccines were not the reason for the great drop of infant mortality.

For both of these cases, you can't say that we went from 12% of deaths in england (and higher elsewhere) to 0% (that's a straight up 0/7 billion), without vaccines

I do not think you even understand what I was saying. I never said that the vaccine did not prevent smallpox cased. There were many countries that did not vaccinate much and they had the same decrease of smallpox mortality obviously the drop was happening without vaccination too.

You understand this?

No, vaccines greatly the risk of infection, it is not a 100% guarantee in many cases. Also, being vaccinated can allow for carrying diseases meaning they can infect other children. It is a greater health risk to your family’s children for your child not to be vaccinated than it is for your child to be vaccinated.

I’m banging my head against the wall when I hear stuff like this here. GET YOU KIDS VACCINATED! I was vaccinated when I was still a baby, you yourself were probably, too. I do understand that you are worried, tho. Every good parent should be and should always act in the child’s best interest but don’t get worried over such stupid things on the internet like vaccinations cause autism. THEY DON’T. There are real threads out there. The world is fucking scary and a lot of bad things can happen to your child and you can’t protect them from all of them. But you can protect them from dying of measles or polio or other totally preventable disease by just giving them a shot. Stretch the time a little, if you feel saver with that and maybe one shot at a time and everything should totally be finde.

I'd suggest spreading them out as much as possible.

First kid, I was pressured to give him 6 different vaccinations before we left the hospital. Second kid, I said no, and just got them over the course of the next couple years as we went in for checkups.

That’s what my mom did, I’ve gotten vaccines spread out, most I’ve had was 3 in a day

You are already fucked if you dont vaccinate because they design those things to make you dependent on them. If you are vaccinated, your immune system is already dependent on the jolt given by vaccines.

Especially if mother was vaccinated.

I tell people to not vaccinate if they have a few generations without. But if all vaxxers, it may have affected the kid in turn already...thus they will be born with an already vaccine dependent immune system.

Vaccines are drugs...

If a mother does cocaine, baby wants cocaine.

If mother does vaccines, baby should get vaccine.

But yes they are poisonous in the long run. Short run they have benefits.

Propaganda is on both sides my friend.

I know a handful of kids who aren't vaccinated. Not dead, and super healthy. I know another handful thst have been vaccinated.. Not dead also but plenty of behavioural issues and a couple that are not healthy at all with allergies/immune disorders.

Don't vaccinate your kids. That's my advice. At worst, give them only the most heavily used and proven vaccines that have been around for decades.

Most importantly do NOT give your kids Tylenol/paracetamol after/before vaccinating. Use an ice bath or cold presses if they get a fever. There are links between vaccines and paracetamol being a cause of issue - look into it.

Here, have some of the research I did into this. I chose not to vaccinate both my children and they are very healthy.

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html?m=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCzdliixnmI
https://anhinternational.org/2015/11/04/swedish-cover-hpv-vaccine-side-effects/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531966

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17630224,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10648110,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20193633,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20708902

http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/first-medical-textbook-devoted-to-research-linking-vaccines-to-autoimmunity

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535/,

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0008382

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5133049/Aluminium-vaccines-cause-autism.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0946672X17308763

May I ask how old they are now, and have they been generally very healthy so far?

I have a 2 year old and a 3 year old. Was really tough breaking out of programming and fear by choosing the opposite of 95% of people in the country I am from. However, in my family, we have a lot of autoimmune diseases, including myself, and my kids have none... I believed in vaccination, and I got 9 vaccines when I went to Ecuador in 2008. In the aftermath, I developed shellfish allergy, gluten allergy and extreme grass pollen allergy. My dad has lupus, sjogrens syndrome, gluten allergy and rheumatoid arthritis. My mum has hashimoto thyroids disease and milk allergy. My sis has the same as my mum and my grandad has diabetes. I did a lot of research and found that there is a link between vaccines and autoimmune diseases. Seems like my genetics has a predisposition towards autoimmune diseases and I just decided that vaccinations might not be the answer... but it is a very individual journey and decision. I guess in the end, we all want the best for our children... Feed them healthy foods and make sure they get their nutrition. That#s is where the immune system is.

Also I did a lot of research into the diseases themselves... > Dtap> diphteria and tetanus. (ask yourself the question will your child be playing near sewage and or animal feces and rusty nails in their first 2 years? Probably not if you live in a western country.

Whopping cough: this is probably the most dangerous one, however, when that is said, I constantly came across babies who had a persistent cough aftwe whopping cough vaccine. The cough lasted for 3 months and stuff so I am convinced the vaccine actually gives you the whopping cough (albeit perhaps milder) anyway. After you have whopping cough though you are immune for life...

Hep B: not offered in our country for babies. But really, will your child be around needles, have sex or spend time in dirty toilets/sewage? Probably not...

Rotavirus: was not offered when I was a child, and decided against that as well... Your child will most likely be breastfed and protected in the first few months. Besides, your child will vomit from time to time anyway from stomach flu. Keep hydrated and will be fine.

MMR . measles, rubella and mumps (offered at 15 months) - rubella is not dangerous and getting it gives you life long immunity.

Mumps---- not a fun disease, but getting it gives you life long immunity.

Measles - was considered a normal childhood disease and not very dangerous for most people. The danger is that the disesase empties the body of vitamin A. Make sure your child gets extra vitamin A if they do contract it. Anyways, you are unlucky if your child get this as a baby anyway and the vaccine is not offered before 15 months in my country. In the past, the child would be protected with your antibodies in their first year through breast milk. Problem in society is that people just dont get measles anymore and doesnt have lifelong immunity that they have antibodies to pass on.

Summed up: My kids are healthy, not been to the doctor much. Just with small stuff like eye infections from kindergarden. They have had their share of cold, but usually they pass really quickly.

Good luck with making the choice. It truly is not easy and whatever you choose it is ok.

As a parent, not vaccinating was a risk I was not willing to take. We travel quite a bit as a family and I didn't want to worry about my child dying from something I could have prevented - that was just too much for me.

That said, I agree with the others here who recommend a delayed schedule. Ultimately that's what we chose. And our doctor was fine with it as long as our kids were vaccinated prior to starting school.

Lastly, if our family had immune disorder issues, I'd also be reluctant to have my family around unvaccinated kids. So try not to be upset with them and understand where they are coming from. Because at the end of the day, our choices have consequences.

/r/VaccinesCause

Not even going to state my position because my opinion on the issue is unimportant, just like the rest of these. Speak with a doctor. They are the people most easily accessible to you that have enough of an education on this topic to not be talking out their ass to you, and you deserve someone with a shitload of medical education. Anyone on here giving you advice one way or another is almost certainly not educated enough. If one doctor refuses to discuss this with you, look for another. Someone out there is willing to help you. Just get off reddit, get off the internet, and look for someone educated in board-certified medicine that can guide you to making an informed decision. This place is a cesspool and you're as likely to find a well-informed opinion here as you are making this decision by flipping a coin.

Except many doctors have been kept from pertinent data by a Pharma industry that controls education, research, publishers, regulatory agencies, professionAl guidelines.

http://ahrp.org/betrayal-of-public-trust-institutional-corruption-vaccine-safety-ratings-vaccine-science-falsified/

—“The focus of this appendix is how the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the vaccine industry control vaccine safety assessments, control the science of vaccines and control the scientific and mass channels of information about vaccines. These primary stakeholders gained control by establishing an elaborate web of collaborating institutional partnerships which they fund. The collaborating institutional stakeholders which include...”

This is the only link you really need: https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/immunocompromised-schoolchildren/rgis/

"The vaccination status of other schoolchildren does not pose a significant risk to immunocompromised schoolchildren"

as an example.

Just don't expect them to educate themselves when it is easier to participate in hysteria.

Before you get your children or other children killed due to negligence:

https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/understanding-vaccines/vaccine-myths-debunked/

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/autism-vaccine-link-debunked

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

https://youtu.be/3aNhzLUL2ys

https://youtu.be/UfpBr1OAHT4

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/5v72fw/how_herd_immunity_works_oc/

https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/work/protection/index.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0424-immunization-program.html

https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination

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Just lie and said you got your kid vaccinated.

I was skeptical of vaccines but would still get them until last week when I heard that Robert F. Kennedy Jr sued the HHS over failure to respond to a FOIA request. The request was for reports that the HHS was supposed to send to two other government agencies biannual about the safety checks they were doing for vaccines by order of Congress in 1986. After the lawsuit for failure to respond they came clean and said they didn't have those documents.

These reports were never done and thusly never documented OR the data was damaging to big pharma and destroyed.

This is the same Congressional order that made the government liable for vaccine damage and that took away from pharmaceutical companies

You're fucked this is a huge can of worms. Studies show that spreading out vaccines has no benefit, but you could look into starting MMR later. One of these vaccines is given when it is most likely to affect blacks, and it affects them negatively 3x as much.

I should have said there's no evidence that spacing vaccines or using alternative schedules is beneficial. There are no proper studies on it becuase it's pretty fringe stuff.

But here are some studies about specific alternative schedule related outcomes.

on-time vaccination is as safe with regard to seizures as delayed vaccination in the first year of life, and that delayed vaccination in the second year of life is associated with more postvaccination seizures than on-time vaccination

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/05/14/peds.2013-3429

The prevalence of allergic diseases and non-specific infections in children and adolescents was not found to depend on vaccination status.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057555/

Mortality rates among children following the schedule were not significantly different from those of undervaccinated children when excluding deaths with unknown causes, as well as when including deaths with unknown causes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29061349

There's for sure something fucky going on at CDC, and I feel like the adverse reactions are not properly understood, but I guess I still vote for vaccinations on a purely cost vs. benefit basis. The combined MMR vaccine vs. individually administered might be up for debate, I'm not qualified enough to say. I worry about fluoride and glyphosate more these days I guess.

You've got a good point there.

Check this out too. The pitcher is a piece of shit, but it gets out like 90% of bad stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Aquagear-Water-Filter-Pitcher-Chloramine/dp/B016LLLXJS

If their kids are vaccinated, your unvaccinated kid will not put them at risk. They are supposedly protected.

http://vaxxter.com/harvard-immunologist-demolishes-mandatory-vaccination-logic/

However, vaccinated kids shed virus after vaccinations, so maybe keep your kid away when their kids have had shots recently.

I have a bunch of stuff saved on my home machine, but can't access right now.

Recent post from another user with very good info.: https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8wb16i/the_purpose_of_vaccines/

Also, this one is absolutely key, because you need SCIENCE to deal with your family and others around you. The history we were taught about vaccines is pure propaganda and not even half-truths. They don't do what they claim to do and never have.

Remember that it takes an estimate 10x the information to uproot a belief as it did to create it:

http://vaxtruth.org/2011/09/proof-that-vaccines-did-not-save-us/

I'm a parent of three and know so many vaccine-damaged kids, especially in my youngest's peer group. None of them are diagnosed that way, but it's absolutely clear once you've researched the symptoms. They're all just diagnosed with "chronic-such-and-such" or ADHD, epilepsy, allergies, or a learning or developmental disability. There are 5 kids with symptoms like this within two blocks of my house, and no I'm not imagining that it's something else. My dad was an ER doc. and talked to me about how sketchy this practice was; he didn't really research it, he'd just seen enough to know that something was wrong with it. That and having kids made me look into it, and I started 17 years ago.

I so respect you for knowledge searching and wanting to do what's right for your child. It ain't easy.

Please vaccinate your children.

So you ensure that they're healthy. Take the chance for them.

It's a general answer for a general question. A lot of these anti-vaccination arguments use data that is disregarded for a reason. The movement spawned from people who go against mainstream science because it tells them things they didn't want to hear, so they believe anything that tells them otherwise with a scientific slant.

It's fear mongering.

I believe vaccines are hurting my child, therefore I should vaccinate. Seems legit.

If I had to do it over again, I would do a delayed schedule. No physical or mental issues I'm aware of but there's more info available.

I would imagine some pediatricians aren't open to this. I loved ours but got the HPV vax talk every annual, despite risks that were publicized. Maybe somebody's immune system or genetic makeup caused these issues but didn't want to risk it with my kids. And there are behaviors and preventions that can be taken in this case to minimize getting HPV.

Also learned from kids becoming nurses that they had to have their titers checked for antibodies and get a booster if they didn't have any even if they had had the proper vax schedule. Never heard that from any of my doctors.

How to know vaccines are bullshit?

If you get the vaccine and they die, it's never the vaccine and if you say so you are evil.

If you dont get the vaccine and they die, it's always because you didn't vaccine and you are evil.

Both cases you are evil.

In reality...

Vaccines are evil.

Once one learns what is really going on, we discover that unfortunately the science is not settled as the industry refuses to fund the necessary studies to find out if vaccines are bringing a net benefit overall, the industry doesn't want to find the harm their products cause as it can mean loss of confidence, sales and also huge compensation payouts. So what they do is whitewash their products, data is played with, statistics are used to lie.

A recent study found that the Tetanus vaccine was actually reducing life expectancy rather than increasing, yes, the vaccine was making people more likely to die.

The Introduction of Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis and Oral Polio Vaccine Among Young Infants in an Urban African Community: A Natural Experiment

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5360569/

Conclusion

DTP was associated with increased mortality

The honest experts are so sick of Big Pharma for not funding any proper studies into the safety of injecting Aluminum, that now they are crowdfunding for over $600,000 to perform the trials.

Private forces to raise funds for research into aluminum in vaccines

https://patientdanmark.dk/private-forces-to-raise-funds-research-into-aluminium-in-vaccines/

Here are some sources to get people started

For those from a scientific background I'd strongly recommend the presentations given at the Vaccine Safety Conference

The rest is a general starter pack for people who want to learn more:-

Dr Peter Gøtzsche exposes big pharma as organized crime

Birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine may not be necessary: Study

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/birth-dose-of-hepatitis-b-vaccine-may-not-be-necessary-study/article10033134.ece

Professor Gordon T. Stewart, Emeritus Professor of Public Health, Glasgow University, explains exactly the dangers of the Whopping Cough vaccine from a Emeritus Professor of Public Health

http://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/the-dangers-of-whooping-cough-vaccination-prof-gordon-stewart/

"the marginal advantages of the vaccine in children over one year of age have to be offset against adverse effects of the vaccine itself, which are very common indeed and may be followed occasionally by irreversible brain damage, paralysis and mental deficiency. Because of this danger, or for fear of it, many parents and doctors are reluctant to vaccinate their children."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries Lecture on vaccines and health

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQQOv-Oi6U

Dr Tenpenny, What the CDC documents say about vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1VwVBmx0Ng

Here a professor explains his findings regarding the dangers of injecting Aluminum, which is contained in most vaccines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCzdliixnmI

Here's the study itself:-

Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826/

Experts complain of the 'witch hunt' which takes place after any scientist reports on vaccine dangers

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28882443/

Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine Causal relation is likely

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

The Polio vaccines are causing problems worse than Polio

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873

"Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere was violated."

Recordings from the CDC whistleblower exposing lies, corruption, manipulation of data and destruction of evidence

http://fearlessparent.org/cdc-data-stranglehold-blocks-autism-vaccine-research-recording-2/

Follow the money!! (see below)

How Much US Pediatricians Make From Vaccines

"So how much money do doctors really make from vaccines? The average American pediatrician has 1546 patients, though some pediatricians see many more. The vast majority of those patients are very young, perhaps because children transition to a family physician or stop visiting the doctor at all as they grow up. As they table above explains, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays pediatricians $400 per fully vaccinated child. If your pediatrician has just 100 fully-vaccinated patients turning 2 this year, that’s $40,000. Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays your doctor a $40,000 bonus for fully vaccinating 100 patients under the age of 2. If your doctor manages to fully vaccinate 200 patients, that bonus jumps to $80,000. V But here’s the catch: Under Blue Cross Blue Shield’s rules, pediatricians lose the whole bonus unless at least 63% of patients are fully vaccinated, and that includes the flu vaccine. So it’s not just $400 on your child’s head–it could be the whole bonus. To your doctor, your decision to vaccinate your child might be worth $40,000, or much more, depending on the size of his or her practice.

If your pediatrician recommends that your child under the age of 2 receive the flu vaccine–even though the flu vaccine has never been studied in very young children and evidence suggests that the flu vaccine actually weakens a person’s immune system over the long term–ask yourself: Is my doctor more concerned with selling me vaccines to keep my child healthy or to send his child to private school?"

https://wellnessandequality.com/2016/06/20/how-much-money-do-pediatricians-really-make-from-vaccines/

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2016 Performance Recognition Program PDF

Harvard doctor admits he's too scared to speak truth on vaccines as Big Pharma are watching, implies there will be consequences

Human papilloma virus vaccine and primary ovarian failure: another facet of the autoimmune/inflammatory syndrome induced by adjuvants.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23902317

Smoke, Mirrors and the "Disappearance" of Polio

In the Senate Big Pharma getting told off for putting substances in vaccines without first performing the necessary safety studies

This study found that it is the vaccines made using aborted fetal cells which are causing Autism

Impact of environmental factors on the prevalence of autistic disorder after 1979

http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042

Under Freedom of Information we see that CDC experts privately admit the dangers of vaccines, they admit that vaccines are causing neurological problems, speech delays and they warn the information must be embargoed.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfdaexperts.htm

Key quotes below:-

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

I've been heavily involved in this for over 15 years, unfortunately vaccines are a scam, they are an attempt to induce profitable health complications in your child, making them into lifelong customers of the pharmaceuticals. Healthy people do not make good customers for the industry.

In Japan they stopped vaccinating under-2's and found that SIDS vanished in the country, their infant mortality rate also jumped right up to the best in the world.

The industry refuses to perform sensible studies to compare benefit/risk of vaccines, but fortunately there are some independent studies, on all of these the unvaccinated come out far better healthwise. Vaccinations are associated with neurodevelopmental disorders, autoimmune diseases, epilepsy and allergies.

The DTP vaccine was found to actually be reducing life expectancy, not increasing it. The evidence for vaccines does not look good, and the industry must know that otherwise they'll be pumping money to setup high quality studies to prove the overall benefit of vaccines, but instead they do the opposite, throwing researchers into jail and having them struck off for publishing about the harm of vaccines.

Big Pharma tried to strike off this previously pro-vaccine doctor who decided to research vaccines and infectious disease properly, but they failed as a panel concluded her research was better than that of the pro-vaccine side.

Dr. Jayne Donegan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N2dej8uqS4

Also remember that the biggest risk of spreading infectious disease actually comes from the recently vaccinated. A person vaccinated with a live virus vaccine such as MMR within the last 3 weeks will shed the virus and spread it around in public. These are the people who one should really keep away from if immunocompromized.

However, if you are perfectly healthy the short-term childhood viruses are not a big deal. This honest and independent doctor explains the benefits Vs the risks of each vaccine in the schedule https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVE2l2RJ8lY

Whether you end up vaccinating the baby or not, for everyone else's sake, don't ever bring your child anywhere near babies, old people and anyone with a compromised immune system. Thanks!

Hey OP. I know I’m a little late here and don’t want to confuse you further since a lot of information has been thrown at you. Sometimes it’s hard to see the forest through the trees. Here’s some high-level data about vaccines you can use or ignore.

https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/graphic-proof-that-vaccines-work-with-sources-61c199429c8c

Just take the vaccine they’re safe and cause no harm

If you want my opinion please do not listen to these people i have done plenty of research and there is absolutely no evidence that there is any reason to spread out the vaccines. Also your child not being vaccinated DOES compromise the health of immunocompromised children. You like everyone else wants the best for your child and my best recommendation for that is listen to your health care provider.

Theres a reason people live to be 80 nowadays.

Its the same as catching many different diseases all at once, and your immune system reacting to it. In a young and developing immune system, there is concern that this can lead to a hyperactive and overstimulated immune system that gets "bored," for lack of a better word, that can might then go and attack other complex proteins (like legume proteins), and might even start attacking your own body!

I would love dearly to hear her side of that exchange.