Bingo. I read an article in the past few years; seems like it was in the WSJ. Anyway said that vast majority of doctors who receive cancer diagnosis refuse chemo. Nuff said.

Anyway said that vast majority of doctors who receive cancer diagnosis refuse chemo.

The majority of cancer diagnoses are end-of-life -- at which point, chemo is associated with a 3 month extension of life.

They aren't refusing it because they think chemo doesn't work, they are refusing it because it won't work for them and they've seen the medical reality. There's a similar pattern with DNRs.

They aren't refusing it because they think chemo doesn't work, they are refusing it because it won't do much for them and they've seen the medical reality.

Hmm....

Chemo has around a 2% chance of extending your life, but a 100% chance of making you feel very sick, making your hair fall out, destroying your white blood cells. I can see why the oncologists refuse it themselves.

90 year olds don't survive cancer anyway -- so they skip chemo. A 40 year old doctor with cancer, however, chemo can still help him -- but many many more 90 year olds get cancer than 40 year olds.

Does that make it easier to understand?

I agree, they might not see the point of three more months in agony.

What is DNRs?

Do not resuscitate wills

Thanks!

They don’t want the misery of being poisoned by chemo, but for just 2% possibility that it will extend life, while Big Pharma gets paid $100,000+, total insanity

After seeing what it did to a family member, I think I would opt for a more natural approach. Diet, exercise and CBD treatments probably. If I die, I die but at least I wouldn't suffer nor would my family members like I did when I saw what it did to him and he still died. Now I'm teary eyed.

Ozone treatment, yo

The Steve Jobs approach.

He lasted a lot longer than he was meant to, then went for Big Pharma treatments which quickly killed him

Lol no, he had an easily treated cancer and went for the 'all natural' remedy, parts of which actually worsened his illness until near the end he opted for chemo.

What was it like taking acid with Steve?

I see history is now being rewritten

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You have provided links to a type of diet

"Five-year survival is about 55% when the tumors are localized and resected but only about 15% when the tumors are not resectable" Cancer.gov

Steve Jobs lived over 7 years by using natural methods Wikipedia

In 2009 Steve Jobs flew to Europe for chemotherapy Steve Jobs went to Switzerland in search of cancer treatment

Steve Jobs died in 2011

Whereas Patrick Swayze, diagnosed 2008 with pancreatic cancer, received chemotherapy, died in 2009 Wikipedia

Stage 4 is what Pat had. Meaning it wasn't confined to just the pancreas. In Steve's case it was, and he ignored the treatment available leading to it's spread to his lungs and elsewhere.

He had the less aggressive form of pancreatic cancer but his insistence on not removing the cancer immediately is what uktimately did him in

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Damn you must really like chemo therapy

Yup. That's how they do it.

Pancreatic cancer generally has extremely low survival rates, regardless of treatment.

Only because it's found to be stage 3 or 4 when first found. Meaning men should ideally get screened more often for it.

There was also this very famous Chinese female actor who had a very aggressive type of cancer, she choose traditional Chinese medicine over chemotherapy. Towards the end she realized that the medicine wasn't working so she shifted over to chemo, but it was too late.

Maybe choose a different approach, because that one led to Steve Jobs dying from a cancer he could have had treated.

His diet was the complete opposite of what kills cancer. Cancer loves sugar. Jobs fed the cancer instead of starving it. Without sugar, cancer dies. Healthy cells can run on alternative fuels (ketones), but cancer cells cannot. Fasting is the cure. In fact, most people who fight cancer with Chemo are fasting due to loss of appetite from the drugs. So what's actually curing the cancer? Is it Chemo. No. But they love all the things they can bill you for. What's the cost of fasting? Zero. The media would NEVER be allowed to tell people to not consume. Their entire system depends on consumption.

CBD is great but THC cures cancer

Make people sick>give them chemo>most likely take every penny the family has, or rape the insurance companies.

Who gives a fuck about insurance companies

That has nothing to do with what I said.

My point was that you didn’t need to mention insurance companies.

And you didn't have to reply either. People do things all the time that are not necessary.

Some cancers sure, but some literally cannot be cured without chemo or radiation, some can't be cured at all. I do agree that chemo may be largely unnecessary, and there is probably an easier way, but I'm not a doctor

I'm normally into natural treatments, but chemo isn't always terrible. I have a friend who's hair fell out, but she didn't lose much weight and she didn't even stop working. Really depends on which chemo I guess.

And they are coming up with better technology to deliver chemo to the localized tumor site, not the whole body. If they can really get that working, it will be a huge advancement.

That will be a huge improvement, but even better still just reverse a cancer with natural methods

You can't 'reverse' cells that have damaged dna multiplying

If you've had chemo it can then be hard to reverse, but yes, cancers can be reversed naturally using diet, but Big Pharma don't want you to know that or they stand to lose a lot of money

Oh so you have cured cancer have you? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ALL

ancers can be reversed naturally using diet

How can you "fix" cells? They're damaged at a DNA level.

Eating healthy means not introducing carcinogens, etc that create the mutated cells in the first place, which I 100% agree with you.

But I've seen no evidence of eating certain foods to target cells and fix their dna.

India has a deep-rooted tradition of eating for healing, but all its Ayurvedic clinics for cancer patients only help cancer survivors recover back to normal life after undergoing radiation, chemotherapy, etc. And this is in a country that denies multi-national "Big Pharmas" the chance to patent their drugs there, resulting in dirt-cheap generics that are affordable for everyone. Even where Big Pharma is powerless, the first weapon against cancer is conventional western medicine, and not any diet-based therapy.

There are many people in India who reverse their cancer naturally, as soon as a place is using chemo/radiotherapy for cancer that's when you know there's corruption behind the scenes, there's simply so much money to be made from them.

It leaves permanent brain damage, increases your risk of all cancers, temporarily supressed your immune system leaving you vulnerable to normally mild viruses. You are unlikely to live a long healthy life afer you have been poisoned with chemo

Doctor-assisted suicide.

I have a neighbor lady who has become like another mother figure to me. Her father was diagnosed sometime in late 2016, early 2017 with STAGE 4 pancreatic cancer. It was spreading fast and there wasn’t much he could do other than get his shit together. I had told her not to do chemo cause it would just accelerate his death and make him feel worse. Give him some bud and cbd meds and it would make it easier. Well her sister talked him into doing chemo (even after my neighbor had talked him OUT of it). Not even 6 months after treatment started he died. I swear it’s cause of the stress of the chemo therapy

Not even 6 months after treatment started he died. I swear it’s cause of the stress of the chemo therapy

That's pretty much the standard outlook for someone diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, unfortunately -- they'd be lucky to make it a few months.

Steve Jobs did very well with his alternative methods until he eventually gave in to Big Pharma and got killed off

he did not take medication and when the symptoms become to strong he decide to search for real medial help, then he died.
in brasil we had a similar case, the man was a tv anchor, he started natural until he can't bear the pains and was rushed to a real hospital were he died in days... his doctor sacked his house with the help of a nurse and cleaned it of ALL that she precribed to him. there are the of messages betwen the doctor and him, where he said that it is all goin bad and that the pain is to much. it was very sad and verry public.

Jobs caught it early and had a milder form of pancreatic cancer.

If he hadn't gone with the alternatives, he had an 80 - 90% chance of being here today.

He survived far longer than would have been expected

No: he had islet cell cancer, he very likely would have survived with treatment.

There are natural ways to reverse it, Big Pharma made a killing from your neighbors father, you gave good advise, there was no point in that chemo leaving him so sick, apart from Big Pharma making $100,000+

What are these natural methods of reversing cancer?

Spoiler alert: there isn’t one.

There are a number of diet related approaches, none of them are a perfect cure. Yet, there are many who claim it worked for them.

These methods are not as extensively studied due to a lack of profit potential. They mainly just make you eat unprocessed plant foods. Plant foods are not raking in the money.

The real issue is the double standards. When chemotherapy saves just 2 or so more people per 100 it is considered a relative benefit and accepted as a treatment. When a diet related approach does much better than that it is not seen as a cure, because it doesn't save 100% of the participants.

We let money decide public policy and medical policy. Actually, there are cheaper and safer ways to deal with many of our illnesses with nutrition. Our doctors are very ignorant in this field though.

How much would you trust a car mechanic if he demonstrated that he totally disregards checking your brake fluid, engine oil, transmission fluid or power steering fluid, but repeatedly wants you to make expensive repairs as the parts of these very systems fail?

Well, you'd think he doesn't care about you or your vehicle, only his own income. Well, that's how the medical professionals work. They ignore the chemical inputs needed to maintain our vehicle in proper working condition, because they want us to pay them for expensive interventions. This is not done at the doctor level, but th education level. Doctors are good people, but they are set up to be ignorant by shrewd businessmen that profit from the medical industry.

The truth is that the body fights cancer by default and we get it regularly. It takes time to grow into tumors. Usually it dies long before then. If it does make it to a tumor, it means our body isn't fighting the cancer. Many times that's because it lacks the chemical tools it needs to do so.

It's not a magic bullet. You can't always fix the vehicle by giving it what it needed the day before yesterday. Fortunately, unlike cars, we can heal. Unfortunately, we do not have the diagnostic capacity to effectively ensure it will work. It's a gamble and many will fail.

Some compare the gamble to the one they get with hundreds of thousands of debt, mutilation, radiation and poison. They often find death preferable to an expensive, miserable aftermath. We forget that we all will die one day, no matter how well we eat, or how many exotic medications we take.

Her father was diagnosed sometime in late 2016, early 2017 with STAGE 4 pancreatic cancer.

told her not to do chemo [...]. Give him some bud and cbd meds and it would make it easier.

Not even 6 months after treatment started he died. I swear it’s cause of the stress of the chemo therapy

is your professional assessment?

No it’s not my PROFESSIONAL assessment. I am not a doctor. Im just speaking about a time where i related to chemo being shit and what i did in the situation. He had stage 4 cancer. There really isn’t shit you can do except live your life til it ends. Why do chemo when it just makes them feel 10000000x worse?

for how long he was in the cannabis and cbd before the chemo? was he stable in his symptoms during the cbd, before the chemo?

I dunno, my mom had breast cancer and while chemo did a number on her she is fine now. I don't doubt that big pharma wants you to spend tons of money on cures, but I also believe my mom wouldn't be here if not for chemo. Have to take the good with the bad I guess.

Much of what they diagnose as breast cancer could be left and it would never cause any harm, just another excuse to sell you some $100,000 chemo and poison your body, which could result in a real cancer, chemo gives you some brain damage too along the way

Maybe, but would you bet your mom's life on a natural remedy? Isn't that how Steve jobs went out, (If he's dead)? Not arguing with you, but until a bunch of people become the Guinea pigs to test these natural remedies and don't die, chemo will still be the way to go for most people.

Maybe, but would you bet your mom's life on a natural remedy?

Absolutely, Big Pharma ones cause carnage, everyone one I know who had chemo and radiotherapy died soon after, simply not worth the risk. And even if you leave you'll be left in a weak and vulnerable state after all of the heavy damage from the toxins.

Isn't that how Steve jobs went out

No, he had chemo two years before which killed him off. Chemo is also what killed Patrick Swayze so quickly.

but until a bunch of people become the Guinea pigs to test these natural remedies and don't die

There are many people who have used themselves as guinea pigs, after being sent home to die by modern medicine, having been told they have days to live, and they fully reverse their cancer using natural methods. It's actually becoming quite common these days. Big Pharma don't want you to know that as they want $100K+ for brain and immune system damaging carcinogenic chemotherapy.

chemo will still be the way to go for most people

Only because they've been misinformed though

To be fair you've got good points, but it all comes down to personal experience. If you know people who have been cured by natural ways, you'll believe that works, just like I believe the way that saved my mom works too. If I got cancer I would try a natural way first, but if I didn't see results right away I would go straight to chemo.

just another excuse to sell you some $100,000 chemo

So how does that work exactly for people in countries like Australia or Britain where we don't pay a cent for chemo?

Lol. Taxes. Ever beard of them?

Yes, as has been pointed out to you already, socialized health care does not mean Big Pharma giving stuff out for free, they get paid by collective taxes

Much of what they diagnose as breast cancer could be left and it would never cause any harm

proof?!

The proof is your body is constantly healing and maintaining itself. "cancer" is simply damaged cells. That's all it is. If damaged tissue builds up faster than your body can eliminate it then the doctors call it a cancer.

I agree, it's the best we can do right now for some types of cancer, sadly. But my honest belief is that chemo is a stepping stone, it will be replaced in the not so far future.

It already is in the form of immunotherapy. Many cancer drugs you see on tv are for drugs that cause the patient’s own immune system to amp up attacks on cancer cells.

This is why those of us with autoimmune diseases can’t use them.

There are some strange statistics about breast cancer that show women who follow mammogram recommendations are more likely to die of cancer than women who simply ignore breast exams. It's almost as if many women have breast cancer but never experience symptoms and somehow it cures itself. Or maybe mammograms are actually causing the cancer.

Preventing and Reversing Cancer Naturally

Good source, but it's missing some important information. It's critical to greatly reduce all sources of added sugar too. And overall, monitor closely sugar intakes. Added sugar are in like every single food.

Fasting is great to prevent cancer. I fast for a month long each year.

Your link mentions reishi mushrooms. I consume that while I fast. It tastes like shit, but this mushroom's properties are well known and have been well documented. They have consumed this for over 1000 years in Chinese medicine.

The truth is your best bet to fight cancer is to take preventive measures to start with. and it essentially boils down to the right diet. Once you are diagnosed a cancer stage 3 and over, whatever you do, chances are it's too late. Even stage 2 I think. Most people won't follow these preventive measures, because they involve a lot of self-discipline and self-control. Most people cannot resist it when they go to the commercial center and see and smell all kinds of junk foods, and unhealthy foods.

Excellent additions calliflower!

Chemo is poisoning your body, and hoping the cancer dies before you do.

Good analogy

Man, with all these peer reviewed comments, I bet big pharma is quaking.

I remember hearing somewhere that keto or no carb diets shrink tumors since the tumors need carbs to grow

Most tumors and cancers yes, but a small percentage of them thrive on ketones.

Chemo saved my moms life, so fuck off

It saved her life? Or she survived despite it?

Sometimes I read this sub and think we may be on to something. Other times I think this sub is full of morons. This the latter.

I agree. Blanket statements are nonsense. Not all chemo is bad, and there are certainly times that it's not effective. But that's just common sense, not a conspiracy.

A friend of mine with bone cancer was advised not to do chemo for whatever reason. He was not taken advantage of at all. USA citizen for what it's worth.

One day you'll discover and realize we are but millions of individual humans that cannot be blamed for the actions of others of the millions of individuals humans. It's just easier for the mind to place people into groups and address them all as a singular entities.

Chemotherapy has been shown to cause cancer to spread as well.

On another note, I'm now seeing tons of pharmaceutical commercials for new (and absurdly expensive I'd assume) medice just to treat the side effects of chemo. It's a racket I tell ya!

You're a fucking moron.

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I stopped taking my immunotherapy drugs. My dog too.

Solution to autoimmune disorders, which have rocketed up in numbers since the advent of mass factory farming, isn't to fix the food supply, but to kill off the immune system that's only doing its function. A lifetime of chemo drugs is the solution, they say.

My grandmother and one of my best friends both had cancer and got chemo for it. They are both alive Bc of it. Chemo is not a way for the pharma and govt and such to kill thousands of people it's one of the only options for cancer that is available to the public. Both of them had lower immune system whilst on chemo and couldn't eat leftover food go to many public place Bc risk of even a common cold could be deadly and they lost all their hair but both survived. Not everything that is somewhat damaging is an evil overloads plot

I'm normally into natural treatments, but chemo isn't always terrible. I have a friend who's hair fell out, but she didn't lose much weight and she didn't even stop working. Really depends on which chemo I guess.

What was it like taking acid with Steve?

They aren't refusing it because they think chemo doesn't work, they are refusing it because it won't do much for them and they've seen the medical reality.

Hmm....

I agree, they might not see the point of three more months in agony.

What is DNRs?

I see history is now being rewritten

If you've had chemo it can then be hard to reverse, but yes, cancers can be reversed naturally using diet, but Big Pharma don't want you to know that or they stand to lose a lot of money

Pancreatic cancer generally has extremely low survival rates, regardless of treatment.

It saved her life? Or she survived despite it?

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