If immigration is such a good thing and diversity is our strength why does the left oppose colonialism? What's the difference?

1  2018-08-08 by RMFN

When whites colonized the "New World" were they not enriching it with diversity? If Islamic hordes are so good, why aren't white Europeans? Isn't immigration always good?

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I think I just died a little

Shoudn't this be in r/RacismWhiteSupremacy

How dare you!

Lol

What is "racist" about opposing the ideas of a religion?

And using the English language is cultural appropriation! So stop!

At what point do we start calling out posts that are only intended to bait people? I mean, this isn’t even remotely related to conspiracy.

The promotion of Islamic immigration into western nations isn't a conspiracy?

Again, this is bait and you know it.

Yeah, what's your opinion on border policy? Should we emulate nations like Japan and Israel?

Put on your right wing hat for a bit.

Peaceful, tribal Indians being self sufficient then a long comes a ruthless gang of people with corrupt morals and begin to take over and slaughter the locals.

I can see where op tries to draw his parallel in how some Islamic extremists can mirror some colonial extremists.

I doubt every person on that ship wanted to slaughter Indians, but I'm sure the few that did, took great pride in doing so.

The way Islamic extremists view women, rape, abortion, jihad, and general hatred for us because we devistated the fuck out of their land with bombs - I can see where the parallel can originate from. You don't have to agree, but I think we as people need to work better at standing a perspective we don't agree with before just being rude to it. One is more constructive then the other.

When the post contains “Islamic hordes” you know a thoughtful sociopolitical discourse is afoot.

What's more appropriate?? Backward religions nut jobs from the middle east?

If they’re so backwards, why would they come to a country that separates religion and government?

What the fuck is going on in these comments...

because the power dynamic greatly favors the colonials?

Just initially..

explain

Yr not so good at Reddit my man.

I love these kinds of posts that highlight the absurdity of people's ideologies.

But, OP, allow me to turn this around on you. If white immigration to the US was good, why cant black immigration into europe be good?

Wasn't right then, isn't right now.

what wasnt and isnt?

Wasnt ok for the colonists back then. Not ok for the "refugees" now.

You're the only one who gets it.

That's because everyone has been assiduously trained to be brain dead and angry.

From my post you are gathering I approve of colonialism and it immigration? Because I don't..

No, I get youre highlighting the hypocrisy and I appreciate that. Im just switching it around. Basically, most people are hypocrites because they just want an advantage over other people and dont want others to have an advantage over them....even though they have no problem holding an advantage over others....

Because you're a bigot, you can shut up now.

I'm economically left wing, socially non-authoritarian. Yet I'm not pro-mass immigration....But I also don't shit on innocent exploited immigrants (criminal immigrants are a different thing).

You can't say "the left" believe one thing because not all left wingers believe the same stuff. Also, some left wingers are not really left wing. And brainwashed SJWs muddy the waters (most unintentionally). Again, I'm left wing and not an SJW.

Identity politics is cancer.

This is the answer I was looking for. Two gold stars for the A+ student!

Assuming you're not being sarcastic.... thank you. :)

The so called "Neoliberal" movement aren't IMHO "right shitty economics" either. These people are mostly "Trotzkyists", progeny of the professional revolutionaries they sent as part of the "Bolsheviks" forces to Russia in the case of the USA.

What they do has no real economical ideological purpose and is just a means to an end. It's all about destroying the nation's social structure and take over by their toxic economical policies. Political/Economical hitmen and probably operators of the "cabal", foreign agents or both.

In Europe the "Neoliberal" program was first pushed by Tony Blair ("New" Labour) and Gerald Schröder (SPD) who in the later case then destroyed the classic worker rights left in the party. All in line with the transformation of the economies and the EU/Euro project.

Extreme right economics to be precise. Moderate right close to centrism is not that bad in comparison (but I believe centrism and center left economics are much better). I do not think the elites are Trotskyists. But I think you're right saying it's a mean to an end for those psychopath elites. Just like fascism is a means to an end....world domination and enslavement by the ruling class.

Their tools are usually social and economic fascism, state capitalist dictatorships (tankie ideologies like Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Chauvism) and NEOliberalism + far right libertarianism (which is almost the same thing as NEOliberalism). (But left, center and moderate right libertarianism are completely different to the American propaganda extremist version). State capitalist dictatorships have some similarities with cronyist authoritarian NEOliberalism.

Approximate NWO politics:

https://i.imgur.com/bNz2DHP.jpg

Yeah I think Tony Blair was center right (I would say that qualifies as NEOliberal shill) similar to the EU (although some countries are far right economically like the UK Tory party).

Old Labour was real left wing (Corbyn is center left, non-authoritarian).

According to political compass, Germany's SPD is moderate right I guess? Or something between moderate right and center right NEOlib. Corporate media always tries to make extremes look normal. Totalitarian tip toe. Germany's current party I think is CDU which is far right NEOliberal. Why people think Merkel is left wing lol? Because they think pro-immigration = left wing which is not true.

I agree with you about the anti-worker EU. It is a mostly corrupt NEOliberal beurocracy pretending to be progressive (they have done a few decent things like ok regulations but many other things are suspicious).

In America NEOliberal talking heads on TV are calling themselves "conservatives" and "liberals" and arguing about trans bathrooms O_o The deception is ridiculous in the U.S.....two shades of the same corrupt ideology.

https://i.imgur.com/fUH4nZp.png

Why did the US colonies revolt against colonialism?

Good question... Wasn't it stamps?

No. And if you aren't going to answer questions seriously why make this post?

.... It wasn't stamp duties that caused the riots in Massachusetts?

So taxation without representation? Which is what the stamp act represented.

If you want to phrase it that way.

How would you phrase it?

How I did previously.

Yeah you don't actually care about this discussion. Enjoy your post.

1765 Stamp Act.

Also note the popularity of the Massachusetts Bay Note, and it's peg to a fixed commodity as a rate of exchange.

Aye!

Taxation without representation then?

I don't know if I would even call it that though.

Straight up theft.

Because the people who subscribe to left-wing views are inherently racist against white people. I'll be downvoted but that is the foundation of their platform, exploitation of the proletariat (non-white people, women in 2018) by the rich (white straight men regardless of income/education in 2018).

Left wing views about immigration in non-white countries are inherently racist against whites?

You make me laugh sir, while bringing up good arguments against the ignorant pro-humanity type of folks

People have the right to live and work were they want, but some seem to want that power to be wielded by big government. And then others like OP try to use fear and divisiveness to convince some that handing over the most basic right to government is in their best interest. I guess some people just can't handle freedom.

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Well to put it simply, colonialism is forced integration of your population into another, while immigration is the forced integration of other populations into yourself.

Seen this way, the two are the exact opposites of each other. I’ll be the first to say this is rather simplistic, but it’s the easiest way to show the differences.

So taxation without representation? Which is what the stamp act represented.