If immigration is such a good thing and diversity is our strength why does the left oppose colonialism? What's the difference?
1 2018-08-08 by RMFN
When whites colonized the "New World" were they not enriching it with diversity? If Islamic hordes are so good, why aren't white Europeans? Isn't immigration always good?
52 comments
1 kdubs21 2018-08-08
I think I just died a little
1 DasBeefcat 2018-08-08
Shoudn't this be in r/RacismWhiteSupremacy
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
How dare you!
1 DasBeefcat 2018-08-08
Lol
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
What is "racist" about opposing the ideas of a religion?
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
And using the English language is cultural appropriation! So stop!
1 Nick11288 2018-08-08
At what point do we start calling out posts that are only intended to bait people? I mean, this isn’t even remotely related to conspiracy.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
The promotion of Islamic immigration into western nations isn't a conspiracy?
1 Nick11288 2018-08-08
Again, this is bait and you know it.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
Yeah, what's your opinion on border policy? Should we emulate nations like Japan and Israel?
1 montrr 2018-08-08
Put on your right wing hat for a bit.
Peaceful, tribal Indians being self sufficient then a long comes a ruthless gang of people with corrupt morals and begin to take over and slaughter the locals.
I can see where op tries to draw his parallel in how some Islamic extremists can mirror some colonial extremists.
I doubt every person on that ship wanted to slaughter Indians, but I'm sure the few that did, took great pride in doing so.
The way Islamic extremists view women, rape, abortion, jihad, and general hatred for us because we devistated the fuck out of their land with bombs - I can see where the parallel can originate from. You don't have to agree, but I think we as people need to work better at standing a perspective we don't agree with before just being rude to it. One is more constructive then the other.
1 JeffHall28 2018-08-08
When the post contains “Islamic hordes” you know a thoughtful sociopolitical discourse is afoot.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
What's more appropriate?? Backward religions nut jobs from the middle east?
1 NeighborhoodVeteran 2018-08-08
If they’re so backwards, why would they come to a country that separates religion and government?
1 skywalkindud 2018-08-08
What the fuck is going on in these comments...
1 h4zardz 2018-08-08
because the power dynamic greatly favors the colonials?
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
Just initially..
1 h4zardz 2018-08-08
explain
1 paulie_purr 2018-08-08
Yr not so good at Reddit my man.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-08-08
I love these kinds of posts that highlight the absurdity of people's ideologies.
But, OP, allow me to turn this around on you. If white immigration to the US was good, why cant black immigration into europe be good?
1 mastigia 2018-08-08
Wasn't right then, isn't right now.
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-08-08
what wasnt and isnt?
1 mastigia 2018-08-08
Wasnt ok for the colonists back then. Not ok for the "refugees" now.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
You're the only one who gets it.
1 mastigia 2018-08-08
That's because everyone has been assiduously trained to be brain dead and angry.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
From my post you are gathering I approve of colonialism and it immigration? Because I don't..
1 Zap_Powerz 2018-08-08
No, I get youre highlighting the hypocrisy and I appreciate that. Im just switching it around. Basically, most people are hypocrites because they just want an advantage over other people and dont want others to have an advantage over them....even though they have no problem holding an advantage over others....
1 JinParmesan 2018-08-08
Because you're a bigot, you can shut up now.
1 CasinoReality117 2018-08-08
I'm economically left wing, socially non-authoritarian. Yet I'm not pro-mass immigration....But I also don't shit on innocent exploited immigrants (criminal immigrants are a different thing).
You can't say "the left" believe one thing because not all left wingers believe the same stuff. Also, some left wingers are not really left wing. And brainwashed SJWs muddy the waters (most unintentionally). Again, I'm left wing and not an SJW.
Identity politics is cancer.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
This is the answer I was looking for. Two gold stars for the A+ student!
1 CasinoReality117 2018-08-08
Assuming you're not being sarcastic.... thank you. :)
1 nisaaru 2018-08-08
The so called "Neoliberal" movement aren't IMHO "right shitty economics" either. These people are mostly "Trotzkyists", progeny of the professional revolutionaries they sent as part of the "Bolsheviks" forces to Russia in the case of the USA.
What they do has no real economical ideological purpose and is just a means to an end. It's all about destroying the nation's social structure and take over by their toxic economical policies. Political/Economical hitmen and probably operators of the "cabal", foreign agents or both.
In Europe the "Neoliberal" program was first pushed by Tony Blair ("New" Labour) and Gerald Schröder (SPD) who in the later case then destroyed the classic worker rights left in the party. All in line with the transformation of the economies and the EU/Euro project.
1 CasinoReality117 2018-08-08
Extreme right economics to be precise. Moderate right close to centrism is not that bad in comparison (but I believe centrism and center left economics are much better). I do not think the elites are Trotskyists. But I think you're right saying it's a mean to an end for those psychopath elites. Just like fascism is a means to an end....world domination and enslavement by the ruling class.
Their tools are usually social and economic fascism, state capitalist dictatorships (tankie ideologies like Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Chauvism) and NEOliberalism + far right libertarianism (which is almost the same thing as NEOliberalism). (But left, center and moderate right libertarianism are completely different to the American propaganda extremist version). State capitalist dictatorships have some similarities with cronyist authoritarian NEOliberalism.
Approximate NWO politics:
https://i.imgur.com/bNz2DHP.jpg
Yeah I think Tony Blair was center right (I would say that qualifies as NEOliberal shill) similar to the EU (although some countries are far right economically like the UK Tory party).
Old Labour was real left wing (Corbyn is center left, non-authoritarian).
According to political compass, Germany's SPD is moderate right I guess? Or something between moderate right and center right NEOlib. Corporate media always tries to make extremes look normal. Totalitarian tip toe. Germany's current party I think is CDU which is far right NEOliberal. Why people think Merkel is left wing lol? Because they think pro-immigration = left wing which is not true.
I agree with you about the anti-worker EU. It is a mostly corrupt NEOliberal beurocracy pretending to be progressive (they have done a few decent things like ok regulations but many other things are suspicious).
In America NEOliberal talking heads on TV are calling themselves "conservatives" and "liberals" and arguing about trans bathrooms O_o The deception is ridiculous in the U.S.....two shades of the same corrupt ideology.
https://i.imgur.com/fUH4nZp.png
1 ljout 2018-08-08
Why did the US colonies revolt against colonialism?
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
Good question... Wasn't it stamps?
1 ljout 2018-08-08
No. And if you aren't going to answer questions seriously why make this post?
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
.... It wasn't stamp duties that caused the riots in Massachusetts?
1 ljout 2018-08-08
So taxation without representation? Which is what the stamp act represented.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
If you want to phrase it that way.
1 ljout 2018-08-08
How would you phrase it?
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
How I did previously.
1 ljout 2018-08-08
Yeah you don't actually care about this discussion. Enjoy your post.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-08-08
1765 Stamp Act.
Also note the popularity of the Massachusetts Bay Note, and it's peg to a fixed commodity as a rate of exchange.
1 RMFN 2018-08-08
Aye!
1 ljout 2018-08-08
Taxation without representation then?
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-08-08
I don't know if I would even call it that though.
Straight up theft.
1 armorkingII 2018-08-08
Because the people who subscribe to left-wing views are inherently racist against white people. I'll be downvoted but that is the foundation of their platform, exploitation of the proletariat (non-white people, women in 2018) by the rich (white straight men regardless of income/education in 2018).
1 NeighborhoodVeteran 2018-08-08
Left wing views about immigration in non-white countries are inherently racist against whites?
1 labledcrazy 2018-08-08
You make me laugh sir, while bringing up good arguments against the ignorant pro-humanity type of folks
1 elcad 2018-08-08
People have the right to live and work were they want, but some seem to want that power to be wielded by big government. And then others like OP try to use fear and divisiveness to convince some that handing over the most basic right to government is in their best interest. I guess some people just can't handle freedom.
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1 NeighborhoodVeteran 2018-08-08
Well to put it simply, colonialism is forced integration of your population into another, while immigration is the forced integration of other populations into yourself.
Seen this way, the two are the exact opposites of each other. I’ll be the first to say this is rather simplistic, but it’s the easiest way to show the differences.
1 ljout 2018-08-08
So taxation without representation? Which is what the stamp act represented.