The human-race

1  2018-08-09 by von-pennypacker

Long time lurker, decided to make an account. One thing I’ve always wondered about us humans since we are so drastically different from any other species on this planet. And this kinda goes with the ancient aliens theory (at least from what I remember) I honestly do feel like we (humans) were tampered with, whether that’s with DNA or whatnot, I don’t know. But I’m getting to the point where I refuse to believe we simply evolved from cavemen or monkeys to where we are now, sure we have similarities to other species but our differences outweigh them by a long shot. I think we are an experiment, almost reminds me of that episode of the twilight zone where (forgive me my memory of the episode is vague) two men from space or the sky were looking at humans and how we live and interact, as well as how we react when in danger or fear for our lives. Maybe there are signs in the pyramids or the Vatican since from what I know nobody is allowed in certain areas of it. This could also all tie in with everything being a simulation and perhaps the powers that be or even the “creators” don’t want us to know or feel like we aren’t ready to know. Anyway I’d like to know some opinions on this because I know I’m not the only one who thinks it. Also some good documentaries/videos or even books on the topic are also welcome.

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Here's a book on the subject!

Looks interesting I’ll have to check it out.

Really fun read.

Long time lurker as well, but I feel compelled to comment since this is something I have been thinking about a lot lately. I also don't believe we evolved from monkey's on this planet, it just doesn't make sense seeing where humans are now nor does it account for the huge differences in people around the world. I really think that we are all eternal beings and in our past, we were transported here from other planets. I think our human bodies were definitely genetically modified, not by the Divine Feminine (the creator), but by other alien species who wanted to control the human race and ultimately Earth. If you take time to meditate and really know yourself, you'll start to remember this yourself and it will ring true with you.

This is a time of awakening on Earth so you are not alone in asking these questions, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a huge discovery soon that changes how we think of human origin worldwide.

Annunaki?

account for the huge differences in people around the world

Trade routes.

Not sure I understand your point. Wouldn't the development of trade routes make humans more similar around the world due to interbreeding of different societies? This seems like it would result in a more uniform race, but that is not really the case.

Haplogroups.

I'm friends with quite a few animals. I really don't see much difference between us and other mammals.

Whilst this is true, we are remarkably different from each and every species on this planet.

Not in a narcissistic way, we harness tools and to what that extends. It's as if someone came to Earth, observed all the life it possessed, looked at monkeys/chimps and thought they would be suitable vessels for their intentions.

Ants and bees would be the logical vessels for outside intentions.

I think that the grains have done more to influence humans than anything else. We give them the best land and attention, and we think it's for our benefit.

Logical and practical, agreed.

Compatibile with our origins? Perhaps not.

> simulation and perhaps the powers that be or even the “creators

(Other than "because they're weird like that") For what reason would you say these intelligent forces decided to create a world/scenario as "shoddily" as they've supposedly done: where there's even the possibility of doubt to the "truth" they wanted?

Possibly because we are an experiment is what I would guess.

I really like the stoned ape theory. Kinda makes sense

But we're not 'so drastically different from any other species'. Look how similar we are to other apes, especially chimpanzees. It's really not that difficult to see that all apes that exist now share a common ancestor.

I already said we have similarities, however our differences are far greater and a lot of it has to do with consciousness, not completely the physical aspects.

Well, chimps have a consciousness up there with ours, and they can learn sign language...

I seriously doubt a chimps consciousnesses is even nearly close to ours lol. Sign language doesn’t really mean much. Unless you have a source that shows monkeys/apes have deep tonight’s/ consciousness id love to see that :)

But they definitely have been proven to possess a theory of mind. Self awareness. This is maybe why they were the selected species, so to speak.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of their intelligence - I think the only thing that divides us from them is language.

As Prof. Hawkins says as the intro to Pink Floyd's Keep Talking "For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination. We learned to talk."

They’re definitely intelligent, I’m not denying that. I feel it’s kind of a lazy way to say we’ve come so far just from talking. When you think about it you can still bring great and ideas and innovations without saying a word. I’m sure it played a part in our advancement but I still feel that’s a ridiculously oversimplified way of putting it.

I'm sure it played a major part in our development. Imagine how difficult it is to get across concepts and ideas when you have no form of structured communication. There's only so much information you can pass on through repetition and demonstration.

I agree now the question would be how did we begin talking as well as eventually coming to a full language. Granted since we came from waving our hands and making grunting sounds. Interesting to think about

A clear demonstration of our brains evolving to to give us the ability to invent and understand speech.

Exactly. Two theories I’ve heard of is our Brains doubled in size when we ate more meat and there’s also the stoned ape theory. Both of these theories I know very little of though.

someone's never heard of Coco

Enlighten me lol

It's a trained ape, learned to communicate. We can train individual animals to respond to stimuli, I do not think training a singular ape to make gestures indicates species-wide anything.

Ohh ok that’s the same ape robin Williams played with right? Regardless I’m sure it’s an intelligent animal and is probably smarter than we think but then again how smart are we talkin lol? Like on the level of a 5yr old maybe ?

you're right, it doesn't.

can you really not grasp the fact that this animal communicated with us tho? that isn't just "being trained to make some gestures" it had to process what each sign meant when "listening" and then come up with and display it's own response, there's clearly some critical thinking taking place there

Oh for sure it communicated with us. My cat meows at me for food and outside, pretty sure we're communicating there too.

We trained a singular ape in sign language. Apes did not teach themselves nor evolve into using sign language (tho they do have their own set of communication tools of course). I'm not sure this accounts for elevated consciousness or language skills for the species.

it communicated IN OUR LANGUAGE, surely you can see the difference between that and your cat meowing at you for food?

I would say that the fact that the ape learned another species language and then communicated with that species is proof of elevated consciousness. this isn't like some AI that has pre set responses based on the stimuli imparted on it. this is an animal understanding/processing/responding to a completely different species in a non native language

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

There's no such thing as a 'human race'. People are as different from each-other as different breeds of dog.

Some 'humans' have a difference of 0.05% DNA between eachother. Some primates have a difference of 0.05% DNA with some 'humans'.

I disagree. Yea humans have differences but our general advancements are all the same. Humans are conscious self aware beings ( there has been studies some animals could be self aware) but not nearly on the same level as a human. The way humans interact and communicate is vastly different from animals, similar ? Sure, but still vastly different in general. Also our intelligence is different, animals are more intelligent when coming to survival i.e finding food, water, trying not to get eaten and shelter. The smartest animal probably can’t even know how to use YouTube fluently. This is where the differences come to fruition, an ape can’t invent a tv, computer, go to space, a car.

How many 'humans' do you know could invent a tv, computer or car?

Well I know quite a few people personally who built their own cars from scratch. Regardless if I know them personally means nothing since there’s plenty of them out there. How many apes do you know that can build an airplane, highways, bridges, tunnels etc...

I'm not equating apes to humans, like you are. I'm stating that some of what you refer to as 'human' differ from others that you refer to as 'human' to such a degree that they shouldn't necessarily be called 'human'.

Well the whole point of my post is about how different humans are from every other species lol. So what differences besides a small dna percentage would make a human not considered “human”. Unless maybe you’re speaking of people with Down syndrome or diseases which makes them unable to do basic things. I’m not sure where you’re going with this lol

We are our DNA. I don't know what differences exist. I just know that is our blueprint and that blueprints of others differ by significant amounts. What that means? I think it means that proper study and documentation is required in the interest of full disclosure.

People are as different from each-other as different breeds of dog

This is false. Dog breeds are essentially highly inbred, extended families. Do you really believe that the "black" race i.e. the entire continent of Africa is less diverse than say, Golden Retrievers?

There's no such thing as a 'black' race. People from African can be as different as people from differing parts of the world. Skin color is not a suitable indicator, structural features would be much better.

The point is that your subgroups would have to have the granularity of inbred cousins in order to make the dog breed comparison work.

Who's "superior" me or my cat? He didn't have to invent TV or build anything, he doesn't even have to hunt unless he does for fun. Rather, he has a bi-pedal giant that feeds him, pets him, provides him a comfy bed spots, in fact, several, air conditioned, periodically cleaned, and he gets medical care and grooming, all free. He doesn't worry about retirement or rent or getting a job or paying for college, or driving, banking, or shopping. He can't read so he's not bothered by "why we're here" or worry about what is to become of him, or his place in the universe being happy with his place which is as much his as mine.

Actually that would make you superior since it’s a house cat he literally needs you to survive/be spoiled , throw him out on his own and his life would be dramatically different (for the worst). The fact your cat isn’t bothered by “why we’re here” is because his brain isn’t nearly as advanced as ours, his brain works in a very simple pattern. Eat, shit, sleep, clean repeat. That’s all it really cares about or at least as much as his brain will allow him to care

He loves me and I him and we're both the better for it.

I think the answer you're looking for will one day reveal itself by a study of "junk" DNA. Someday there will be a computer that can derive an image from segments, in other words, zoom and translate the segment into an organ or, say, a claw, or a beak, or wings? Somewhere there will be evidence like programmer notes to himself within the code, or even a language, a personal note like, "I see you have found me, good work, herein you will find plans for a compiler and a library of progress." Then we get to work on eliminating disease.

We were GMO'd by Enki and Enil. They took a stock animal, likely a primate, and started monkeying with the genetic code. Yay puns. In theory, they created several different versions of human until they settled on one they liked.

The Sumerian creation story is pretty nifty. The carvings of the bird-man "inserting" a pine cone (Pineal gland) into the human is visceral.

I've heard another newer theory that humans are actually really really old and came from space. It would tie in with the ancient alien theory...except in that theory it's not ancient aliens but ancient humans.

Idk, maybe best thing you can do is try tp remove all the mental barriers/limitations blend all knowledge together and show the expirementors you are ready for the next dimension of consciousness.

Humans aren't the only animals with a fatty lump of jello sitting in our frontal cortex and neither are we the only genetically modified animal to "evolve" by way of generational domestication. So after 12k years we got domesticated horses, dogs, wheat and humans too. The idea that a certain group of humans have pursued their own selfish interest to control a certain other group of humans by programming that fatty lump with abstract fantasies ...is... common sense. I don't see where the twilight zone metaphysics figures into the problem, except that as an strategy to derail the conversation away from the reality of fundamental conflict of interests.

I only used the twilight zone reference as an example of us being an experiment. Mind you I’m not saying this is fact or anything, maybe a possibility/ theory. Interesting to see different opinions on this though

"experiment"? ... as in a scientific test? For me, the "twilight zone" line is drawn whenever some metaphysical cause is invoked to explain some physical phenomenon. The concept of a test doesn't seem relevant unless you are saying there is some reward involved. Saying humans are experimenting on other humans is radically different from saying The Big Headed Martian Scientist (pick your deity) is experimenting on humans. The only people who benefit from bringing abstract metaphysical concepts into a contest over limited resources are those attempting to psyche their competition out... or those who've already been victimized by the lie and are merely explaining their unfortunate predicament.

"experiment"? ... as in a scientific test? For me, the "twilight zone" line is drawn whenever some metaphysical cause is invoked to explain some physical phenomenon. The concept of a test doesn't seem relevant unless you are saying there is some reward of judgement involved. Saying humans are experimenting on other humans is radically different from saying The Big Headed Martian Scientist (pick your deity) is experimenting on humans. The only people who benefit from bringing abstract metaphysical concepts into a contest over limited resources are those attempting to psyche their competition out... or those who've already been victimized by the lie and are merely explaining their unfortunate predicament. Or ...I think I get it... maybe that's the "test", as you say... the proposition of idealism tests the subject's jello performance, if they buy the story they get to live, but if they reject divine ideas... history.

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. “

Well the whole point of my post is about how different humans are from every other species lol. So what differences besides a small dna percentage would make a human not considered “human”. Unless maybe you’re speaking of people with Down syndrome or diseases which makes them unable to do basic things. I’m not sure where you’re going with this lol

Actually that would make you superior since it’s a house cat he literally needs you to survive/be spoiled , throw him out on his own and his life would be dramatically different (for the worst). The fact your cat isn’t bothered by “why we’re here” is because his brain isn’t nearly as advanced as ours, his brain works in a very simple pattern. Eat, shit, sleep, clean repeat. That’s all it really cares about or at least as much as his brain will allow him to care

"experiment"? ... as in a scientific test? For me, the "twilight zone" line is drawn whenever some metaphysical cause is invoked to explain some physical phenomenon. The concept of a test doesn't seem relevant unless you are saying there is some reward involved. Saying humans are experimenting on other humans is radically different from saying The Big Headed Martian Scientist (pick your deity) is experimenting on humans. The only people who benefit from bringing abstract metaphysical concepts into a contest over limited resources are those attempting to psyche their competition out... or those who've already been victimized by the lie and are merely explaining their unfortunate predicament.

"experiment"? ... as in a scientific test? For me, the "twilight zone" line is drawn whenever some metaphysical cause is invoked to explain some physical phenomenon. The concept of a test doesn't seem relevant unless you are saying there is some reward of judgement involved. Saying humans are experimenting on other humans is radically different from saying The Big Headed Martian Scientist (pick your deity) is experimenting on humans. The only people who benefit from bringing abstract metaphysical concepts into a contest over limited resources are those attempting to psyche their competition out... or those who've already been victimized by the lie and are merely explaining their unfortunate predicament. Or ...I think I get it... maybe that's the "test", as you say... the proposition of idealism tests the subject's jello performance, if they buy the story they get to live, but if they reject divine ideas... history.