Pedosexuals
1 2018-08-10 by stillexisting
So I don’t have any proof on it and i don’t exactly know how to do research on it. But I have a theory. The last couple of months I’ve noticed an influx in posts about “pedosexuals” or “pedofilia being legalized”. And on every post, there are threads upon threads of people calling it disgusting and relating it to/blaming it on homosexuality and lgbtq communities. What I believe, is that an anti-lgbtq group has been creating these pedosexual claims. By introducing this to society, they are forcing people to look back on “what could’ve caused things to go so wrong” that pedofilia is considered okay. Maybe there are comments planted on the posts to really get people started with the anti-lgbtq agenda. I’m not claiming this to be true but it is something to think about. And I do know that pedosexuals existed before this, but I’m focusing more on the rise of posts either promoting acceptance or shitting on aforementioned posts. Reading through the comments on these posts really weird me out. It gives me the feeling that this topic could possibly cause/force the lgbtq community to take steps back. It all reminds me of The Handmaid’s Tale. Id love to hear what anybody else has to say on the topic. apologies for formatting I’m on my phone
43 comments
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
What about people who find no fault with homosexuality who still find pedophilia to be a disgusting, deplorable act?
1 KickedinTheDick 2018-08-10
Pedophilia isn't an act, it's a mental illness. Child molestation is an act and it's one of the most disgusting acts one can take place in as well as a total destruction of someone's sovereignty.
That being said, pedophiles aren't always child molesters, they're sick people though.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
Did realize after posting that I should have said 'engaging in' or something to that tune, as not everyone acts on their urges.
Agreed on the whole lot. There is no successful way to defend the act of molestation.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Agreed. As long as they don’t act on it I think it’s alright. But even if they do feel that way and want to get help for it, it’s almost impossible for them to ask for help because it’s so looked down on. That’s a whole other topic.
1 KickedinTheDick 2018-08-10
Yep. So it's almost a catch 22 situation. keeping it internalized certainly doesn't help them, externalizing it is asking for social ostracization.
I think part of the modern problem is that it goes too far when people call pedophilia a sexual preference or a kink... It's inseparable from illness, because only someone who's wiring is fucked up would suffer from those urges chronically to the point of calling it preference or fetish. We need to recognize it as such instead of making these people feel comfortable and ignore the demons in their head. Calling other mental illness "lifestyle choices" doesn't get the one suffering them any help, it glorifies their behavior.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Exactly. We don’t need to accept it as a kink or preference. But we do need to accept it as an illness and let people know if they do admit to it they can get help. But also reading through your description of this it looks very familiar to how people used to think of homosexuality. I’m in no way saying it is the same. But people look at that and would see the similarities and rethink whether or not homosexuality is am illness.
1 TheRisenOsiris 2018-08-10
Great way of putting it.
Yes, let's get these people help. Help isn't accepting them chasing children.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Well I think that’s just normal. Not everybody is in on it. But with some people who are open to manipulation, I think reading through the comments and such they might begin to believe that the acceptance of homosexuality in society is what caused pedosexuals to emerge and begin to feel accepted.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
I understand how those with more (little c) conservative beliefs could interpret the situation as homosexuality paving the way for pedophilia acceptance, though I don't agree with it.
I suppose the difficulty is in identifying which people are pushing this belief maliciously, as opposed to those who were raised with strict religious/conservative beliefs.
Personally, regardless of whether or not someone or some group is trying to paint pedophilia in a negative light, that negative light is warranted. Whether or not someone has those urges, it should be known that it is unacceptable to act on those urges.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I’m sure there are people who truly do just believe that pedofilia is wrong and should be shamed. But I do think that there are others who not only believe it but want to use it to undermine lgbtq. I don’t think everyone is in on it but it can easily convince others. There are many people willing to believe such a thing. As I said I haven’t done much research on it. I wanted to post here to see what others think first.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
I definitely agree there's been an uptick in posts attempting to normalize pedophilia. I can only hope that the LGBT community becomes more vocal about distancing themselves from the subject.
Two consenting adults of the same sex shouldn't be associated with a person who is attracted to someone who doesn't have the emotional wherewithal to understand what they would be consenting to.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Agreed. More people need to stand up. It shouldn’t be associated with each other. But that won’t stop people who see homosexuality as a disease from equating the two.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
Exactly, it's fortunately/unfortunately going to be status quo for the "little c" conservatives. I think those people would benefit from seeing the LGBT community stand up against that to which some are trying to equate them.
Not saying it's the LGBT community's responsibility to make those people have a change of heart either, and don't agree with those people not being at least indifferent to the notion of homosexuality.
Can't we all just get along and agree no one should abuse kids?
It's amazing the issue is more complex than this!
1 cerebral_scrubber 2018-08-10
Happens a lot I’m sure, and with many other groups as well - especially online with its anonymity.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
It just worries me because pedofilia is such a serious topic that if someone in power saw these posts/comments they might buy into it.
1 sparrow_304 2018-08-10
Yes, 110%. No one actually wants pedophilia to be socially accepted, these posts were created by anti LGBTQ people to discredit the community.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
It’s just scary to me. I feel like with who is in power in the US we’re a lot more susceptible to being affected by these claims.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
In what way is the US more susceptible to being affected by these claims?
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Well that’s where I’m from and I don’t feel like I can speak for anyone else.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
I'm sorry, I think you may have misunderstood. I was asking how the person in power makes people more susceptible to these claims.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I don’t want to come off as some crazy anti-trump liberal or something like that. But I do think Trump would be more likely to make a tweet or a comment on this issue if he saw it on some social media. And if he were to make a statement on it many many more people would see it.
1 TheMadQuixotician 2018-08-10
No worries. I asked for clarification because that's honestly how it sounded at first but I do understand your reasoning for believing that now that you say this.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, and I don't mean it as an attack on your character in the least, but I feel you may be slightly overly sensitive to the subject of Trump if you feel he has any direct effect on this situation one way or another.
I'm not saying you don't have a right to feel the way you feel, or that you aren't allowed to not like Trump, just that in this instance, I don't see how Trump holds any real power to sway discourse in any direction. Like you said, he could tweet something inflammatory, proving me wrong, but I don't forsee that happening. I'll be the first to say you were right should that happen though.
Thanks for taking the time to clarify your position. I misunderstood your overall position at first.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
No it’s okay. I won’t take offense to that. I’m not so much saying that he would cause more discourse directly. But by tweeting it he would cause it to gain more attention. And with more attention comes more discourse. If anything I’d prefer to just snuff it out or keep it corralled off and let it die out on its own. (The argument that is).
1 Riceandtits 2018-08-10
From what i can see on fb, many lgbtq people do not want to associate with those worthless things. This may be a nambla push to try to get people to accept their worthlessness.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I’ll have to look up nambla. But I do see many lqbtq rejecting it. The issue is more close minded people still believe that by accepting lgbtq, what they initially saw as wrong, society kickstarted a wave of other wrongful acts to become acceptable. I see it a lot.
1 Riceandtits 2018-08-10
If you go to the namble page you will learn,but be disgusted at the same time.
<The issue is more close minded people still believe
That is a challenge to change. Some of those people get their news from alarmist places that bank on the fear they can generate page clicks.
<what they initially saw as wrong, society kickstarted a wave of other wrongful acts to become acceptable. I see it a lot.
A couple years ago a mod from /pedofriends(yes it was an actual sub on reddit for awhile) was trying to equate pedo hate with hate of gays. They claimed that most pedos do not wish to act on their desires an we should be understanding of them instead of persecuting them.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
Yeah I know a lot of people get information from articles on Facebook that are more opinionated than anything. That’s something I’ve lost hope in. You can’t change the minds of people who hold onto one belief and refuse to even learn about others. It’s crazy to see what subs there used to be. But yeah that’s what I see. They keep relating the two. And no matter how many people from the lgbtq community refute those claims, there will still be people who see the comparison and think both are disgusting. Then they spread that message.
1 mastigia 2018-08-10
NAMBLA and similar orgs has a presence not unlike our political shills on lgbt media platforms. They are trying to do with narrative shaping what can't be done in plain sight.
Here's how it works. You create this impression of acceptance and approval by flooding a forum with the message you want to be adopted by the community. Then you send in your group of shills to agree with it and reinforce the appearance of peer consensus of the desired belief. Humans, being the social creatures they are, start slowly adjusting their attitudes to agree with these percieved peer beliefs.
Once the regulars users start parroting these new beliefs as their own, you send the shills in yet again to agree with the converted user, to make the victim feel good about themselves for joining the consensus.
BAM! Synthetic consensus. It's totally fucked up, and completely reliable, even on otherwise intelligent and well meaning people.
1 Riceandtits 2018-08-10
<Once the regulars users start parroting these new beliefs as their own,
I can understand when it comes to politics, but never have been able to understand anyone defending pedophilia. But I see the guilt angle attempt an have a hard time bel9ieveing any user who defends pedos as being organic. Sadly though I know it is possible.
1 mastigia 2018-08-10
Social conformity pressures skip our logical processes. Also keep in mind, they have been working on this a long time gradually. We didn't get here overnight.
1 accountingisboring 2018-08-10
Very well explained.
1 mastigia 2018-08-10
Ty
1 jaydwalk 2018-08-10
The posts weren't created by Anti-LGBTQ, they were created by 4chan...I've seen the discussion how they were going to push Pedophilia and LGBTQ community together as one...Don't let those idiots fool you, the LGBTQ community wants no part, but that doesn't mean people are still trying to normalize pedophilia.
That is the worst!
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I know they want no part. But I do see many people trying to connect the two anyway.
1 intheview 2018-08-10
May I suggest a little website called 4chan, the actual origin of the pro-pedo propaganda. And yes, it’s a joke to them just to make the LGBTQ community look bad.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I’ve seen a lot of people point to that as the origin. But even with that being the case, somebody else could’ve seen it and ran with it to push their own agenda.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-08-10
Well, decades ago there was a "P" in the as-yet-uncreated LGBT acronym. At the time, the LGBT politics was such that they sorta welcomed... or did not dismiss, the "Ps." The thought was the more sidelined or persecuted sexual orientations, the more people, power, money, etc they'd have. It wasn't until relatively recently that the LGBT movement shed the "P" folks.
I doubt there will be any success if the right, 4chan, etc tries to smash a "P" at the end of LGBT. The LGBT movement has too much power, momentum, and money to be at the mercy of disparate online attempts.
They also super sensitive to "gays more likely to be pedos" type chatter. They'd like to adopt kids more and separate the conversation from "alt sexual orientations" to "consenting adults can do whatever."
1 pinkmaybebabycrazy 2018-08-10
Do you have any evidence to back this up?
The only P I've ever heard of in LGBT+ was for pansexual.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-08-10
Time frame is Stonewall riots and before. I only know it from speaking with dudes in the Castro (SF's gay mecca).
The "P" now is for sure pansexual.
1 pinkmaybebabycrazy 2018-08-10
So, no. You apparently don't have any evidence to back this up. Okay, just checking.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-08-10
The internet has way more sources than I do.
1 AnalForklift 2018-08-10
It's a 4chan thing.
1 my_friend_mmpeter 2018-08-10
This is normalization and you've fallen for it right here. The fact that you are saying for these monsters to be able to walk into a doctors office and ask to sit down and talk about the urges and whatever, probably on regularly scheduled appointments, just shows that this normalization is working.
You are even saying that this is the near same go around as it was with homosexuality.
The way to save kids with something like this idea is to use it to lure the sickos up and then fuckin drop them in a bottomless pit or something.
I dont know man. I'll never see it your way, but it doesnt matter anyway.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I’ll have to look up nambla. But I do see many lqbtq rejecting it. The issue is more close minded people still believe that by accepting lgbtq, what they initially saw as wrong, society kickstarted a wave of other wrongful acts to become acceptable. I see it a lot.
1 stillexisting 2018-08-10
I know they want no part. But I do see many people trying to connect the two anyway.
1 mastigia 2018-08-10
NAMBLA and similar orgs has a presence not unlike our political shills on lgbt media platforms. They are trying to do with narrative shaping what can't be done in plain sight.
Here's how it works. You create this impression of acceptance and approval by flooding a forum with the message you want to be adopted by the community. Then you send in your group of shills to agree with it and reinforce the appearance of peer consensus of the desired belief. Humans, being the social creatures they are, start slowly adjusting their attitudes to agree with these percieved peer beliefs.
Once the regulars users start parroting these new beliefs as their own, you send the shills in yet again to agree with the converted user, to make the victim feel good about themselves for joining the consensus.
BAM! Synthetic consensus. It's totally fucked up, and completely reliable, even on otherwise intelligent and well meaning people.