Filthy reds

no, it is a totalitarian, despotist construct. both fascism and communism will do the same things when allowed to grab power. two sides of the same coin and all that.

You mean capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin?

Yes. Communism and fascism were both created by the same people.

yeah. i wonder if chinese state propaganda is pushing 'america is a fascist power' onto their population, while over here they are perceived as commies?

Probably. Fascism and Communism were created by others, though. M

jesuits. they were and still are the principal power behind counter-reformation. thomas more was part of that in england and he wrote 'utopia' which served as an initial model for the jesuit redukcions in paraguay. finally, they put it in real practice after their bolshevik revolution.

but fascism, is the ideology that comes to them naturally, closest to their hearts (i mean that figuratively :-)

Yes. You know. They use others to further their agenda so it is not so easy to trace it back to the source.

they are so confident in their power, it makes them careless, plus surreal amounts of hubris. they often make a lot of mistakes, out in the open, on purpose, to demoralize us

Yes. They have been pulling this shit on humanity for a long time. I am not aware of them ever being directly challenged and defeated. Maybe it is about time this happened.

Maybe it is about time this happened.

if we can go by the bible (revelation), first they will achieve the nwo, then the antichrist will reign for a few years and then they will be defeated. the surest sign that the time is here is the construction of the third temple. so, until then, we just watch history unfold...

Those damn commies, amirite?

What do communism, socialism, and capitalism have in common?

They all start out different, but they end the same way.

It doesn't matter which Ism you prefer. As long as the rulers are evil, they'll make the Ism evil too.

The ism's were made to split people apart

exactly. its all artificial, synthetic. acquiring, keeping and using power is primarily a mind game.

afaik, marx invented the word capitalism. it didnt exist before 'das kapital'. i propose to banish the use of commie terminology. same goes for the fascists.

Monarchist, Religious and totalitarian dictatorships censor.

Great post and insight, I completely agree with you.

And as for capitalism, it's still communism, but corporations take control of the same things (Welfare, Wealth, Property, Freedom of Speech).

Yup.

TPTB had come, by the beginning of the 19th century, to realize that Christianity had failed as a tool for the control of the west. A new tool was needed. Indeed, two seemingly disparate tools emerged simultaneously: capitalism and Marxism. The one had gentile origins but could be manipulated by Jewish capital. The other was merely a form of state capitalism, controlled still by vested Jewish interests. It mattered little which one triumphed in any given country. In Russia it was Marxism, and in most other areas it was capitalism. Both were merely two sides of the same coin.

I wouldn't say that Christianity failed at controlling the west. Why the first attempts of the Bolsheviks to take over failed were because of eastern Europe's strong faith in Christianity and family support/ethnic identity. Now it's easier to take control of nations when they have been demoralized enough to lose their ethnic identity and pseudo-intellectualism has become their new religion

Why the first attempts of the Bolsheviks to take over failed were because of eastern Europe's strong faith in Christianity and family support/ethnic identity.

That was basically my point, I think we agree.

Jesus fucking Christ.

Communism and Capitalism wind up being the same thing because of the power structure at the top. Socialism isn't the same as Communism. Socialism is an ideological belief where the public unites and uses actual democracy to insure the public's needs are met. That's all.

Socialism is fascism in disguise.

Lol not really. Americans just tend to think that because the US is a 'capitalist' country and has been talking shit about socialism for decades even though socialism is what gave you guys your 'American Dream'.

Back in the 1930s, the US was actually fairly pro socialist due to the fact that no one had any rights. The depression made it so employers could basically work their staff like dogs and people just had to put up with it.

So they socialized, introduced unions, went on strikes and boycotts. They fought for their rights not as left vs right but as the working class versus the corporate class.

If you're not rich, you're proletariat, not the bourgeoisie. You're a commoner versus the elite.

Socialism is just about poor people uniting to fight for their rights.

By the 1950s, the US was in one of the best positions ever. People were getting paid well enough to afford houses, cars, raise families, and not be saddled with debt, because they fought for that. The US had a healthy middle class which is where you want people to be mostly.

since then, capitalists have done everything to undermine working class Americans by constantly suppressing 'socialism' and linking it to 'communism'. They're not at all the same.

Capitalism and communism are closer to the same than socialism is to communism. This is due to the power structure that rules over the public. That will happen under any system when the public stops being involved and protecting their rights.

US is a 'capitalist' country

Crony capitalism is not capitalism. In fact the united states has more regulations on businesses than communist China does. Also the united states spends more on welfare programs than any other country.

Socialism is just about poor people uniting to fight for their rights.

You don't need a political ideology to achieve this.

Capitalism and communism are closer to the same than socialism is to communism.

I don't agree with this at all. Socialism & communism are neighbors on the political spectrum because they're both in favor of a welfare state.

I don't agree with this at all. Socialism & communism are neighbors on the political spectrum because they're both in favor of a welfare state.

Lol welfare state. I live in Canada. We have socialized health care due to the fact that people get sick and injured and need support. You Americans think health care is something you should pay for like getting your car waxed.

Responsible governments take care of their people. If someone is sick, you make them healthy so they can back to doing their thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_Liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_Happiness

This is a key line from your Declaration of Independence.

Sick people tend to die. They aren't happy, they aren't independent. That entire line there qualifies as a really fucking good justification for universal health care but nope. Instead, you guys use it to justify building up your army, your police state, and do everything but help your countrymen.

I should remind you that this a conspiracy sub and the US government has been hijacked since the 60's.

You Americans think health care is something you should pay for like getting your car waxed.

You Canadians act like you don't pay for it through taxation.

good justification for universal health care

I completely agree we should have some sort of universal health care because we can afford it. We spend triple the canadian budget on medicare and that shows the system is broken.

Instead, you guys use it to justify building up your army, your police state

Do you honestly believe US citizens have a say or a choice in this?

Do you honestly believe US citizens have a say or a choice in this?

Not with the way the US public is divided.

I completely agree we should have some sort of universal health care because we can afford it. We spend triple the canadian budget on medicare and that shows the system is broken.

Obamacare was a sad joke version of real health care. You want affordability, cut out the middlemen. Insurance companies are a plight.

You Canadians act like you don't pay for it through taxation.

Of course we do. We just like the money being used efficiently.

We just like the money being used efficiently.

How much of Canada's federal budget is paid to private banks for printing the nations money?

I wouldn't say that Christianity failed at controlling the west. Why the first attempts of the Bolsheviks to take over failed were because of eastern Europe's strong faith in Christianity and family support/ethnic identity. Now it's easier to take control of nations when they have been demoralized enough to lose their ethnic identity and pseudo-intellectualism has become their new religion