You can just sum up this post with Occam's razor. It is easier to assume that the universe exists because of the big bang because can see leftover radiation rather than an immortal omnipotent being creating everything.

Lol, the Big Bang is the dumbest religion ever conceived.

"You" can't see shit by the way.

What I meant is that it is possible to see it.

Not for you. You have faith in so-called scientists and authorities who dictate to you the answers to the questions man has had for all time.

There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of god, thus Occam's razor fits here. Also I believe we live in a simulation.

All I am able to say is that at least my consciousness exists, who knows if it is a game, and either entertainment or research.

The big bang theory was discovered/created by a Catholic priest. I always found that to be amusing.

I find it very funny.

The big bang is only a theory of what the universe was doing immediately after it came into being. It doesn't give any explanation for how or why the universe exists.

Simulation

It’s amazing how many think the Bing Bang is the beginning and the end of the matter. When you study it carefully you see it still requires some outside influence, so even if it were to be proven true, it would still leave the big questions unanswered.

I'm not a huge fan of atheism I think you have to be pretty close minded to think that there isn't some sort of purpose or creator(s)to us.

Do I think some sort of morbid Sky man created a guy named Jesus who died on the cross etcetera etcetera. No. Irrational.

As an agnostic I believe there's some sort of higher power. Aliens probably.

but then we must ask the same question, 'who created the aliens?'

that's their moral quandary.

:-))

Prove there is no God.

Thank you for proving my point. You are no more enlightened than any other person that has ever walked the earth.

You can't blame God for men that use his name to justify acts of murder, war, torture or slavery. There is no altruistic society that only strives to serve the good of man. Man is corrupt. Religion is man made. God and religion are 2 different things.

Let me try. There is no dimension or time, it's all perceived. Knowing everything is a part of singularity that has existed, will exist, and is infinite, then your consciousness must be a part of that. Because it's not physical it must be part of the infinite existence, the infinite consciousness. That infinite consciousness is what we would consider God, an your consciousness is a phase of it.

Can can elaborate on that point? I’m not clear on the argument you’re making?

I'm not sure if this was an intentional misunderstanding of what he was saying or not. He wasn't pointing to or relying upon a record of all existence and thought. In the original posters example such a record would be part of the overall whole and as such would become recursive, as it would also have to record itself ad infinitum, thus breaking the model proposed. This was not the intent of the op.

Your thinking in your response is concrete, whereas the op was abstract. I think this gives the impression of straw-manning and thus the downvotes.

Why does "God" have to be connected with organized religion? Perceiving "God" as a mortal being seems so limiting. You sound so bitter and defeated, perhaps it is you who has been tricked.

It turns out I'm not the one murdering other people in war over a likable caricature.

What does that have to do with God?

I'm also not a brainwashed follower

I disagree.

Your idea of spirit has been contaminated by stooges.

but it does make sense that wicked people would murder in the name of someone elses God. Not there own.

Chill out goy

Israel was founded by the false jews from Revelations. You do know the verified-Luciferian Rothschilds created the nation of Israel with the Balfour declaration, right? They're not actually jews, but they love pretending for the sympathy!

'god is dead' --nietzsche
'nietzsche is dead' --god

"...Woman inherits the earth.."

"Life... uh... finds a way..."

Our existence is physical ... its material.

Noun 1. mater - an informal use of the Latin word for mother; Main Forms: Mater, Matris (matrix)

Through our mothers we gain physical form.

Our bodies are material, they are "from the mother", our mind experiences and imaginative sparks we mental, which are supposed to come "from the father". Nervously, our bodies perform internal tasks of reparation and growth in passive state (sleep/relaxation) and full-body motor and circulatory tasks in active state (fight/flight) using our two complementary nervous systems.

Our existence is physical ... its material.

Noun 1. mater - an informal use of the Latin word for mother;

Main Forms: Mater, Matris (matrix)

Through our mothers we gain physical form.

Our bodies are material, they are "from the mother", our mind experiences and imaginative sparks are mental, which should be "from the father". Nervously, our bodies perform internal tasks of reparation and growth in passive state (sleep/relaxation) and full-body motor and circulatory tasks in active state (fight/flight) using our two complementary nervous systems.

God is dead, and we killed him

Actual quote lol

No joke, I have his book besides my bed

Tell yourself something : einstein did believe that 11 dimensions exist. You only see 3 of them but you could be living in those 11 dimensions. So when you die you could actualy still live in another dimemsion. And dying could be a way to access/see to those dimensions.

Keep in mind that we only know around of 3% of the universe and how it works.

Cern scientists the more they discover the more unlogical and complex things become.the god firewall is a real thing : When you'll finally explain the universe laws of physics and the big bang you will need to explain how was created what was before the big bang and you'll continue endlessly. What was before etc until our technology will not be able to answer those questions.

So yes there might be something or a kind of entity with a might that might have created everything.

However religion has been pretentious to say it could explain it.

We fear unknown, god, death amd the universe are unknown that's why you fear them. Those cannot be explained, and don't have answers. Is reality even real ? How do you know it ? Read rené descartes.

That's what the human brain is not able to understand something that is everything that has always been there and that has no beginning and no end. The human brain will never been able to understand it. As we will never be able to understand some laws of physics and how some dimemsions could work. Our brain is limited and restrained because of our biological limitations definited by evolution.

Not being able to answer some questions about the universe is not proof of God. That argument is the "God of gaps".

A god that resides in the ever shrinking gaps in our knowledge. Lightning used to be proof god.

That's not it. You can explain everything but you will never be able to explain existence. The only way to explain it is that existence always existed and it had no beginning no end. So then what is existence and reality ? Its simply god itself and we are part of it. We might be different but we share the same origins. We are made out of the same hydrogen and helium which was relesed at the beginning of times. Reality and existence only exists because it decided to be. Then if it decided to exist it has surely a might.

hmm... Keep studying...

I believe in God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Jesus was against religion which is why they killed him. Religion was created to control, yes. Religion was created by satan to bring it all under one religion over time. Why does no other God get mocked but Jesus over and over. For a person that people don't believe in sure do bring him up an awful lot. Evil is proof of God and the free will he gives on free moral agents. The bible is the only books that makes any sense at all in this world. The only book that keeps predicting the future over and over. The only book that tells you what elite groups try to control humanity and you can trace back all of there linage to the beginning of the bible. You are being deceived into thinking there is no God. Go outside and look at the material objects that come from a seed and transfer particles from the ground and turn it into a tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6piLTv9BMjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_D1LgYhA7w&t=3420s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epllU8AJOsk&t=7s

God is real. https://imgur.com/G6kYbCO

Religion has nothing to do with God, as the theory of the big bang is still relevant all scientific knowledge stats you cant have/start something from nothing, there for the big bang still needed something to start ie "God". Do you believe in ghosts, spirts and or entities? If so then again you cant have the evil without the good, that's not how the universe works imo. The evidence of another relum or dimension would still support the fact that our minds and spirits are only temporary inhabiting this body for our short time on earth or this dimension, you cant be small minded in thinking this is it when we die.

Then what do think people that are possessed speaking languages "tongue" that havent been heard for thousands of years? What about poltergeists? Alot of strong video evidence supporting it. I can see your very small minded and maybe your the one hallucinating and fantasizing of what is "real"

It was mental illness like schizo or bipolar disorders before we knew what they were.

Fair enough, what my point was, there is alot of evidence of the "unexplainable" that even science cant explain hence the theroy of a higher power.

thats the problem, just give up trying to figure it out. slap on a god label on it and learn nothing.

Then this song may be right up your alley.

God is Truth. Not a dude sitting up on a cloud; simply Truth. What Is. As opposed to What Is Not. Or lies.

Worship Truth.

Do you believe the universe is infinite?

Sorry to say this but you didn't stumble upon anything new here. Or did you think that you had maybe?

like this? --> Ex Communist Bella Dodd explains in 1953 how Communist infiltrated The US Gov and The Catholic Church https://hooktube.com/watch?v=VLHNz2YMnRY

impostors

Just not a topic discussed heavily enough here.

Although organised religions and cults are conspiracies to enslave the minds of the populace, a belief in god or gods is not in itself a conspiracy, is it?

Humans, since pre-history, seem to have been drawn towards a belief in god, or gods, because the question "why are we here" has always been the greatest puzzle of our existence, and a demiurge god appears to provide an answer that question. Of course, believing in a god is just a comfort blanket and it doesn't really answer anything, it just kicks the problem down the road (ie why and how does God exist?).

I have been an atheist since my early teens, but in recent years the simulation theory has thrown a spanner in the works, because the old question of whether gods exist or not has been shown to be a false binary question. It's possible that there is no supernatural deity in our universe, but that our entire universe is simply a simulation run by a more advanced civilization.

Imagine being OP.

Who are those people, and which one has the more luxuriant hair?

Sacred geometry is evidence of a designer of our reality

Absolutely. This is exactly what changed my mind. There is intelligence behind our reality. The math doesn't lie.

Yeah I see too many people with the misconception that god only exists under the Abrahamic paradigm.

For sure.. It's really unfortunate for their spiritual growth. Constant fear of eternal torture. It's sick.

A God makes more sense than everything created from nothing, scientificly speaking.

The Law of entropy requires it. Vast complexity springing from a singularly?

The complexity was apparently already part of the singularity. Time, change and distribution are all that moulded it

Do you have any reason to believe there was ever ‘nothing’?

Nope. That's what science says though. Sort of.

No, as far as I understand, current science explains that the universe expanded from a super dense singularity. That singularity wasn’t ‘nothing’.

So you think the universe being eternal or created from nothing is crazy, but a god being eternal or created from nothing isn't???

dat post history. flat earther, antisemite, satanist. tsk, tsk, tsk. you are a bad boy 420sugardaddy

I'm not a satanist however. Satan isn't real.

okey-dokey, you do you.

You are clearly trolling

"Bad things happen, therefore god doesn't exist"

-atheists

It certainly goes a long way to disprove the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent god.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil

By believing that, you just cheated yourself. Your unbelief will not affect any but yourself.

You technically can't disprove it, either.

Being a smug asshole about your beliefs doesn't get you anywhere, btw.

I think his behavior stems from being unable to accept human nature. In the face of millennia of testing to find out what structures work best for human advancement in an environment selected for fitness he desires things to be different than how they've turned out. The dissonance is painful and causes irrational behavior.

I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here and speaking from my own previous experience. His case may actually be quite different.

Believe it or not, I was once where you seem to be. As explained in the second part of that reply I'm basing it on personal experience and admit your situation could be completely different. Nowhere did I attempt to diagnose you with anything.

You do realize I was attempting to explain things so that other person may better understand where you're coming from and not judge so harshly, right? You're now arguing against someone who was attempting to humanize you in your defense. To add further to that you've argued with your defender in an antagonistic manner with an attempt to insult.

This is irrational behavior.

If you accept it why do you seem so angry about it?

Logic and reason have never been part of the core human experience. They are tools we've developed and used quite effectively but they don't belong nor fit into human nature. Even you have made assumptions, or accepted those of others, when you propose you've figured out how to live logically and rationally. Those assumptions can go unexamined and unquestioned all while you think you've got it figured out. Sounds quite a bit like faith, doesn't it?

Even while attempting to free yourself from human nature you will fall victim to it because you are an organism selected for fitness, not selected for logic or for ability to see reality truthfully.

Have you ever driven over the speed limit?

Have you ever made a sarcastic reply without considering the finer points of another's argument?

Have you ever decided to eat a delicious, unhealthy meal instead of a healthier option of equal availability?

Please explain the logic behind these common manifestations of human nature.

lol keep telling yourself that. Everything is based off Math. You are walking talking math. Golden ratio is in your face dummy. Everything has a designer.

Yeah decoding what a being designed. Science has no clue how we got here at all. Big Bang is a theory. Evolution is a theory. It don’t matter what u say or think or believe. Or What science tells u to think. There is a creator and he has set the rules. You have free will it’s up to u where u go in the game. Cause this is a simulation and it’s the God of Bible’s simulation.

What do you think ‘theory’ means?

lol ok you tell me. Only you know the meaning? We did not come from monkeys. There is a God he’s alive and well and he makes the rules.

lol ok you tell me.

“A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.“

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#Definitions_from_scientific_organizations

Only you know the meaning?

No, most people with a basic understanding of science understand what a theory is.

We did not come from monkeys.

Correct, we share a common ancestor though.

There is a God he’s alive and well and he makes the rules.

Why do you think that?

Lol I like it. But I’d say science as of today does not have all the info and variables to determine we came from an ape. Lots of missing information. Maybe we do have a common ancestor but I’m not buying it. I need 100% proof. And I don’t see that coming anytime soon. I see science dumping all the We came from apes and Big Bang nonsense and switching to simulation. But they’ll find a way to make sure and say some ET alien gray or Ai is the creator.

I need 100% proof.

What would that look like to you? There’s an enormous amount of evidence that all life is descended from a common ancestor, and none that it was created by a being. If new evidence is revealed in some way which overturns everything we know about biology, then it would be rational to accept it. Until then the only conclusion we can come to is that evolution by natural selection is the reason for the diversity of life on earth.

A time machine would be great.

God(to me) is the forces of nature. Of course I wouldn't be as presumptuous to declare his existence, or lack thereof, as an absolute matter of fact. If what I am perceiving is reality, then Gods existence is confirmed by every force of nature I witnessed. My life and death are God's will.

God is real. You'll meet him when your time is up. Until then enjoy your free will, sunshine, air you breathe while living on the creator 's turf.

Everyone pretends to be an adversary of God until the lights go off and the plants stop growing and the air becomes.

You're an ungrateful fool. But God doesn't care about your rambling.

God exists, because it’s one of the only words in every language that cannot be defined. People argue about something existing or not existing, but they can’t even agree on its definition.

The nonexistent God of Atheists is typically a man in a sky with a beard, reminiscent of Zeus, casting judgment and sending lightning bolts, which is asinine.

The fact is atheists make the same fallacious mistake that believers do, and that’s an “argument from ignorance” fallacy. The only real sensible position is agnosticism, unless you give yourself you own personal, proper definition of God, and then go from there.

I agree with you that religion can and has been used for nefarious purposes.

I can't agree that God doesn't exist any more than I can agree that he does. It is an unverifiable statement either way.

As to your suggestion that humans need more logic, I'm sorry to say that won't work out well. Here is a link that begins to enumerate why that wouldn't work:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-evolutionary-argument-against-reality-20160421/

It's worth a look and might help you gain more understanding of the matter.

I do hope you can manage to overcome your anger at the rest of humanity for something that has largely been beyond their personal control. Good luck in life.

Prove he isn’t, from everything I see I definitely believe in some kind of creator. Look at consciousness for example, no one knows why we have it or why we seem to be one of the only species capable of critical thought. Don’t get me wrong science can explain most things that are material and readily examined, at least in a way that makes sense to our intelligence level. It cannot explain why we are here, why everything is just naturally balanced or why anything is the way it is. Science tends to zoom in on subjects while spirituality is more about trying to understand the ever bigger picture. So yeah, if you zoom for enough out something probably did create all of this.

See, when people say 'God', generally they're referring to the Abrahamic idea of a 'God'. In actuality, so many different cultures have so many different conceptions of what 'God' is and means that to say all of them aren't true or are false is just ignorant. 'Atheists' are just rejecting a specific interpretation of 'God'.

How bout this: 'Mother Earth' is God. The planet you live on, the food you eat, the water you drink...that's 'God'. That's the 'something bigger than yourself' that you're caught up in. Are you saying that 'God' doesn't exist? The world around you doesn't exist? The planet that's existed way before you were ever conceived and will exist way after you die doesn't exist? Solipsism.

Go learn about different belief systems and see if you still don't believe in 'god'. A rose by any other name....the mind of ALL is what all of us are apart of. The dream of a dreamer. The cosmic oneness.

Can you prove that you are not dreaming?

You are the only one, the ONLY one, who is experiencing your reality. Your thoughts, your feelings, and your sensations are yours, and yours alone.

Can you prove you are not the creator?

Oh yeah? What's that little voice that keeps telling me to burn things, huh?

Perhaps your definition of 'God' is not the same as my definition and in that case you can't say whether God is real or not because you are using the definition that you believe to be true and not the definition that others believe?

/r/debatereligion

Do some powerful hallucinogens and re-examine your stance

You sound like a 15 year old dude.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."

"There is a God shaped vacuum in the heart of every man which cannot be filled by any created thing, but only by God, the Creator, made known through Jesus."

Two quotes from the same genius, Blaise Pascal, who unlike you OP, saw no contradiction in being able to state and affirm them both.

Jesus was persecuted for calling out the Scribes and the Pharisees and chasing the moneylenders out of the Temple and they wanted him dead for putting them to shame and they prevailed upon Pontius Pilate and the Romans in order to do the deed. Pilate, incidentally, was a real person and the Roman Governor of Judea at the right time to validate his presence in it while records that still exist in Rome state that after he returned to Rome both he and wife Calpurnia were among the first Romans to declare themselves as Christians and followers of Christ.

Meanwhile there is absolutely nothing in what Jesus said or did that was anything but wise, compassionate, and understanding. An example that is difficult if not impossible for the rest of us to ever live up to... which is not to say that it isn't a worthy and worthwhile pursuit no matter how often we fail in trying.

My comment was removed before you could respond. This was an entertaining thread..

Do you believe the universe is infinite?

Congrats on discovering agnosticism

your definition of God is old and boring.

yeah, I remember when I had my first beer...

Our mind is the computer on which the universe runs. What I'm saying is you need a new definition of god

I always thought we all had a purpose then I leaned more towards nihilism and that makes far more sense than God. Now I think why do we need a pupose? I feel like its an egocentric way of thinking, we aint special and habe no purpose. Were born, live and die, the simplicity of life for complex humans.