Whatever it is, it's weird. Out of all the people in Washington D.C. This dude is on the top 50 list of most influential? Anyone remember how "influential" Jimmy Saville was? ...
Came back already, I got an NDR (non-delivery report) on each of the e-mail addresses, even info@gq.com. Funny though they came from Condé Nast, I had forgotten Condé Nast owned gq.. You know what else they own right? :)
Because it's just a GQ article? The same reason Jose Andres (also a restaurant owner), Alexander Ovechkin (a hockey player), and some people who run a podcast are.
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Well, it gets kind of sinister when you couple his political stature with this weird series of almost pedophilic images from his Instagram account from back in 2016.
Lots of strange cryptic language from himself and some of the commenters on those images as well. Also, I believed he set his IG to private after people started documenting them and discussing them.
Nothing explicitly incriminating, but still kind of strange. What’s this guys deal?
That's your projection. I don't see any "almost paedophilic" images; I see some sexual images reflective of the fact that he's an openly gay male, but nothing that causes me any alarm. And of course he set his IG to private after people started accusing him of being a child abuser and posting comments on his pictures. Wouldn't you?
You're insinuating a great many things, and know that you can't back them up. He was ranked the 49th most powerful man in DC for the same reason all the other no-ones on the list were. Because GQ is an irrelevant fashion magazine, and their rankings are going to be picked to appeal to their readers and advertisers. Have you looked into other people on the list to see if they are really some of the most powerful people in the seat of power of the dominant empire on Earth? Of course you haven't.
The real question is, why do you think that this ranking, by GQ of all publications means anything? The answer is the same for all of this shit: you are cherry picking data points and presenting them out of context, because that is the only way that you can support the narrative that you are committed to.
Before you dismiss or insult me, do understand that I believe that elite child abuse is rampant and that there is a wealth of good information out there that supports this. Art you think is creepy and rankings you don't agree with in fashion magazines no one reads does not come close to clearing that bar.
No, the question is why you believe in clickbait. The list was not an objective ranking of the most powerful people in Washington, it was just a bit of frippery designed to get people to click on it. And people are more likely to continue clicking on a list that includes people they might never have heard of.
I've visited the white house a few times. My dad has met 3 Presidents.
This is what living in DC is like. When you go out drinking, you meet powerful people and schmooze with them. It's not shocking that the owner of a popular restaurant known for putting on fundraisers for Democrats is also friendly with Democrats.
Why is that weird? He has a few photos of a happy child (I think he's the godfather), some pizza-related images, and some gay stuff. Pretty much what I'd expect from a young, gay pizzeria owner.
There is a wealth of serious, verifiable evidence that elite pedophilia is rampant.
Everything that falls under the pizzagage umbrella doesn't qualify. It's flimsy, rumor, emotionally manipulative, cherry picked viral factoids that get passed back and forth constantly even though they were disproven almost immediately. (The number of times I've had to correct people about kids not being invited over to a hot tub party, or the two efits being of the same suspect is staggering, and a perfect example of what I'm talking about.)
Focusing on that quality of "evidence" taints the entire subject and makes it much less likely that anything every gets done about this. By design.
Ted Neguent visited the white house and he wrote a song about how he's a pedophile. He tried to marry a 17 yr old and Courtney Love claims to have given him a blowjob when she was 12.
I really hate it when people compare him to Jose Andres. They aren't even in the same league as each other. Jose Andres is obviously way more influential. If you've done any type of research into the man you would see. He was even on Time’s 100 Most Influential People.
His restaurants are amazing and people actually want to go to his restaurants.
James Alefantis is nowhere near this guy.
Alexander Ovechkin
He's been the captain on the Washington DC hockey team for over 8 years and has been on the team since 2004. He's one of the greatest hockey players. It's like saying Michael Jordan is very influential because he is.
Seems like he may be into some white collar crime. He must rub elbows with the elites, because apparently he’s
Been to the White House a few times and held fundraisers for powerful politicians at his restaurant. Kinda disturbing actually.
Liberal twentysomethings in khakis drink beer and eat pizza at Alefantis-owned Comet Ping Pong. More established progressives wine and dine next door at Alefantis-owned Buck's Fishing Camping. Alefantis is also the board president of Transformer, the contemporary art gallery that shamed the Smithsonian for removing an installation offensive to right-wingers. When it comes to D.C. radical chic, Alefantis is unsurpassed. If you don't know him, you aren't wearing your scarf right.
Yikes, I just looked back at when the researcher got threatened. This guy was not playing around. Anyone researching some of these topics should definitely be using VPNs.
Ryan O'Neil claimed he was threatened. He never provided any proof of this. He also claimed that Alefantis said he was going to send himk to prison. So, was he going to send him to prison then kill him, or kill him then send him to prison?
O'Neill clearly felt so little threatened by this that he had no problem immediately making a Youtube video about it. Frankly, if Alefantis had blown his top at this guy, I wouldn't blame him. O'Neil is an execrable piece of human shit, who was using pizzagate to get video views and sell t-shirts.
I'm not sure what more evidence you wanted from him. He showed screen caps, demonstrated that the link goes to the actual Facebook page. Considering the circumstances I wouldn't expect any other evidence would be available to provide. It's all laid out here:
That being said, Ryan was trying to sell pizzagate shirts, and even though he said he refunded everyone their money prior to the threats, it could've been a dumb marketing stunt. I believe he refunded everyone in case Alefantis sued him, in order to mitigate any profiteering element to the case against him.
He knew a call was going to take place? You mean 10 seconds ahead of time??
Ryan's explanation for not recording the call is how Alefantis gave him a 10 second countdown to call him and at 1 he followed up with "LAST CHANCE". He didn't expect that and didn't have a recording app on hand. Perhaps Ryan could have handled it better but people don't act perfectly under pressure, especially when they're presented with an unexpected development.
If I recall correctly, they spoke on the phone multiple times.
There is no reason to trust the evidence that has been provided, the evidence that would be meaningful is conspicuously absent, and this dude was trying to profit from this from the very start.
This thing went nowhere, and the more you look at it the less it holds up. Fingerprints of the whole panic. It's all a distraction from the real elite child abuse that we have good evidence for and is ongoing.
I agree with you that Ryan is an opportunistic guy aiming for views and selling merchandise (It looks like he jumped on Q-anon a few weeks ago...) But that could also explain why he would contact James on Facebook - the exposure from an exclusive interview would be tremendous.
I also agree with you that pizzagate as a whole went nowhere. Initially there was enough smoke that it could've turned into something. Pretty sure it was pushed by bad actors to promote divisiveness between the two major parties because every time someone asked for proof the same points which I didn't find credible were pushed (i.e. kids at a pool party ala Podesta emails.)
But I find it plausible Ryan struck a nerve unrelated to pizzagate involving the Pegasus museum and was intimidated to take that particular video down.
I've seen a comment on one of his more recent videos that he accidentally uploaded a video where Alefantis's # was visible for a couple seconds, that he took it down when someone pointed it out but it was confirmed by another viewer that the number was authentic. This all could be trolls doing what they do, but there's enough that doesn't contradict that I believe his story mostly happened.
We're mostly in agreement here, but you've gotta see that that unverifiable number confirmation isnthe same type of whisper campaign hall of mirrors bullshit that has been propping up the distraction/division element of this operation.
From where I stand, anyway. Thank you for the excellent response.
That's a reasonable viewpoint to hold. I guess I'm just coming from the perspective that you don't become a D.C. power player by being a nice guy. Cheers. Always nice to be able to refine a stance.
Absolutely, no one moves in those circles by being nice. Then other side of the coin is that is that you don't climb that high without some serious cover-your-ass instincts and cunning. Threatening the life of someone over open phone lines due to a pedophilia accusation is the level of exposure that these people would never subject themselves to.
Nothing on that almost entirely blank form corroborates anything.
Imagine you're this person. You're having multiple instances of personal communication with someone you believe to be operating a child trafficking ring. It never occurs to you to document this? That's ridiculous.
I believe he did document everything with screenshots.
Also, if the report is fake or he falsely reported the crime of a terroristic threat from James, why didn’t Ryan get in trouble with police? And why wouldn’t James sue him for a false report?
I love how everybody becomes James Alefantis’ lawyer whenever he is brought up.
Nothing on that form even names who was being accused. From that form, we have no idea who he reported and for what, so I have no way of commenting on what happened. It's non-evidence.
Screenshots of texts are the easiest things to fake. There are websites with templates, it takes no time or effort. The threats I am talking about were over the phone. The screenshots purport to show Alefantis begging for him to take his call, then he agrees. So it's not like it would have been an unexpected call. It's unbelievable that he didn't try to capture the single thing that would have been irrefutable and brought this all down.
Just to be clear, because i always need to say this: I strongly believe that elite child abuse and trafficking is rampant. There a wealth of good, solid evidence that speaks to this. It's a serious real problem and right now it's very likely that someone with more wealth than we'll ever be in a single room with is raping and/or torturing a child right now. The simple fact is that chasing cherry-picked, sensationalized, flimsy shit makes it MUCH less likely that anything ever gets done about this. That is (one of)the points of this psyop.
Where's your evidence the FBI got involved? You're just repeating a claim someone else made.
As to the screenshots, there was no corroboration of them just as there's no corroboration of this report. And his explanations at the time as to why he didn't record the phone call were evasive and asinine.
In any case, O'Neil was making money out of promulgating a bullshit conspiracy accusing Alefantis of being involved in child abuse and murder. Plenty of people posted online about wanting to kill Alefantis and that was perfectly fine with the pizzagate crowd, yet Alefantis losing his rag on one occasion (if indeed he did) is seen as a completely unreasonable response.
Oh and that report even says the case is inactive. That leads me to believe that whatever he did report, they didn't think there was anything to follow up on. Where did you get that the FBI became involved?
And you think GQ magazine is somehow aware of this and when they were making this fluff piece said "Who should we put at 49? That child trafficker guy?"
Is he the only restauranteur on the list? Is he the only one on the whole list that might not be immediately obviously powerful? Have you read the whole list?
he is a child trafficker, if not the principal child trafficker for washington dc. he is too connected, with prolly a robust dead-man-switch for protection. and if you are a junkie (paedophile) you want to befriend your dealer (child trafficker), not kill him.
No thanks, I've seen the stupefying leaps of logic that the voat pizzagate community use to try to "prove" that pizzagate is real. But despite people pushing this threory for well over 18 months now, they still haven't come up with a single piece of credible evidence, a single victim, a single witness, or a single complainant.
I'd ask you what your evidence is for claiming that Alefnatis is "the principal child trafficker for washington dc", but I'm sure I'll get the usual nonsense: his Instagram pictures disturb me or some bands that played at Comet Ping Pong disturb me.
He’s not lol, he was listed as such by GQ magazine, which presumably weighted his friendship with several high ranking members of the DNC. If you had done the most minimal amount of research you would know that, but like everything involving pizzagate, the goal is to be misleading
How is asking a very simple question misleading? If anything, you are the one being misleading. It's pretty clear that this person was talking about GQ magazine, I don't think that could possibly be in question.
Furthermore, if it just takes "the minimal amount of research" to know your explanation, then why do you need to presume it?
Finally, if you aren't able to see that the title is rhetoric to fuel a discussion, then you probably shouldn't be so condescending.
It’s misleading because the fact that the list was made by GQ is actually pretty important. There is no government list of objectively ranked influencers; it’s a list made by a fashion and lifestyle magazine to generate clicks
You’re right, I shouldn’t have said presumably, because GQ comes right out and explains why they selected him. So there isn’t even any ambiguity there
But that's not even what GQ magazine put in their blurb. And anyone with an IQ over 10 is going to ask "what are you talking about?" in response to the title if they don't know it is about GQ...
If anything, you are the one being misleading. It's pretty clear that this person was talking about GQ magazine, I don't think that could possibly be in question.
OP didn't even put the effort in to mention GQ, nor a SS. The person you're replying to actually contributed to the discussion by doing so and adding context. You seem to have taken issue with their tone more than anything, which doesn't advance anything.
You first. If you're gonna accuse someone of something, at least have the spine and moral fibre to accuse them directly, and provide something to support your claim.
Jesus Christ that’s a dangerous outlook to have. I’ve been on their Instagram too and there was 0 evidence that jumped out and said “this is a place for sex traffickers.” Also, why in the world would anyone publicly post pictures that showed evidence of child trafficking on their business’s public social media page?? People have investigated, there’s nothing to the claims. All that has happened is a restaurant getting constantly harassed. Hell some dude was convinced it was shady and ran in with a gun to “find the truth” and realized there was nothing going on when he got in there. Throwing around serious accusations with 0 evidence and advocating for vigilante justice leads to terrible things happening to innocent people
His Instagram is private and was his personal IG and not the comet ping pong account, there website does have the same weird type of shit on it though, nobody could possibly change my mind on this guy I have seen enough.
There was absolutely nothing on his Instagram that would warrant you calling for him to be murdered, you lunatic. This is why people don’t believe pizzagate, because those who are pushing it sound deranged
More like he "was" the 48th most powerful during Obama's tenure. He was as we know, well known by Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Podesta in particular, as no doubt was his former lover and Mr. Astroturf himself, David Brock.
That same GQ listing put Hillary at #5 and surprise, surprise, Tony Podesta and his wife Heather as the 23rd most powerful people in DC back then. Birds of a feather... flock together... yes they do.
And we have one of the Clinton's main henchman, John Podesta
I mean, if you want to take GQ's word for it, he is. But GQ is a stupid magazine, writing mostly pop culture, self help and opinion garbage, so I don't believe they have any authority on the matter.
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I've visited the white house a few times. My dad has met 3 Presidents.
This is what living in DC is like. When you go out drinking, you meet powerful people and schmooze with them. It's not shocking that the owner of a popular restaurant known for putting on fundraisers for Democrats is also friendly with Democrats.
Ted Neguent visited the white house and he wrote a song about how he's a pedophile. He tried to marry a 17 yr old and Courtney Love claims to have given him a blowjob when she was 12.
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1 luchovzla 2018-08-23
To whom are you referring?
1 gerryn 2018-08-23
James Alefantis.
1 luchovzla 2018-08-23
Perhaps he’s involved in some sort of organized crime/money laundering?
1 gerryn 2018-08-23
Whatever it is, it's weird. Out of all the people in Washington D.C. This dude is on the top 50 list of most influential? Anyone remember how "influential" Jimmy Saville was? ...
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
Have you considered emailing Some questions to GQ magazine, since they’re the ones who listed him as such?
1 gerryn 2018-08-23
I'll actually do that right now - I'll get back to you with results if they answer.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
I’ll give you some serious props for actually asking questions. Hopefully they’ll respond, I’m curious what they’d have to say
1 gerryn 2018-08-23
Came back already, I got an NDR (non-delivery report) on each of the e-mail addresses, even info@gq.com. Funny though they came from Condé Nast, I had forgotten Condé Nast owned gq.. You know what else they own right? :)
1 Apolitical_Corrector 2018-08-23
His recipe for pizza dough must be awesome. That would be my guess.
1 Puzzleheaded_Owl 2018-08-23
Because it's just a GQ article? The same reason Jose Andres (also a restaurant owner), Alexander Ovechkin (a hockey player), and some people who run a podcast are.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Kinda Interesting that he’s visited the White House quite a few times. Even met the president.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cfbc3/james_alefantis_was_at_the_white_house_when_obama/
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1 Puzzleheaded_Owl 2018-08-23
A lot of people have visited the White House and met the president, but agreed. I guess that makes even more reason he should be on the list?
I'm still trying to make the connection to a conspiracy.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Well, it gets kind of sinister when you couple his political stature with this weird series of almost pedophilic images from his Instagram account from back in 2016.
http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/12/pizzagate-comet-pizza-owner-james-alefantis-posted-hundreds-of-suspicious-instagram-pictures-like-these/
Lots of strange cryptic language from himself and some of the commenters on those images as well. Also, I believed he set his IG to private after people started documenting them and discussing them.
Nothing explicitly incriminating, but still kind of strange. What’s this guys deal?
1 jim653 2018-08-23
That's your projection. I don't see any "almost paedophilic" images; I see some sexual images reflective of the fact that he's an openly gay male, but nothing that causes me any alarm. And of course he set his IG to private after people started accusing him of being a child abuser and posting comments on his pictures. Wouldn't you?
1 DancesWithPugs 2018-08-23
Heavy Breathing and Sex Stains videos and posters tell you a lot about who these people really are.
1 UnseenPresence2016 2018-08-23
Fuck, I've met TWO Presidents.
And yet I wouldn't cross ANYONE's Top 50 influential ANYTHING list.
That's a pretty low bar.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Do you get personal invitations to the whole house, and hold fundraisers for presidential candidates at your restaurant?
1 agentcodfuck 2018-08-23
Nope, bu then again I don’t have strange photos of children that aren’t mine on my Instagram account either https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@rebelskum/james-alefantis-once-public-instagram-jimmycomet-now-preserved-on-steemit-blockchain
1 mideastmidwest 2018-08-23
Why not just say what you’re trying to say instead of playing dumb?
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Because if you insinuate rather that making an actual case with arguments and facts, people can't refute you. Duh.
1 agentcodfuck 2018-08-23
It’s not an insinuation that he was the 49th most powerful man in Washington DC according to GQ magazine. The question is WHY was he so powerful?
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
And now you're playing dumb.
You're insinuating a great many things, and know that you can't back them up. He was ranked the 49th most powerful man in DC for the same reason all the other no-ones on the list were. Because GQ is an irrelevant fashion magazine, and their rankings are going to be picked to appeal to their readers and advertisers. Have you looked into other people on the list to see if they are really some of the most powerful people in the seat of power of the dominant empire on Earth? Of course you haven't.
The real question is, why do you think that this ranking, by GQ of all publications means anything? The answer is the same for all of this shit: you are cherry picking data points and presenting them out of context, because that is the only way that you can support the narrative that you are committed to.
Before you dismiss or insult me, do understand that I believe that elite child abuse is rampant and that there is a wealth of good information out there that supports this. Art you think is creepy and rankings you don't agree with in fashion magazines no one reads does not come close to clearing that bar.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
Because GQ is a shitty magazine? Why are you treating a popularity contest in a men’s fashion magazine with such reverence?
1 jim653 2018-08-23
No, the question is why you believe in clickbait. The list was not an objective ranking of the most powerful people in Washington, it was just a bit of frippery designed to get people to click on it. And people are more likely to continue clicking on a list that includes people they might never have heard of.
1 agentcodfuck 2018-08-23
Ok, I think James Alefantis is involved in child trafficking.
1 sweetjaaane 2018-08-23
I've visited the white house a few times. My dad has met 3 Presidents.
This is what living in DC is like. When you go out drinking, you meet powerful people and schmooze with them. It's not shocking that the owner of a popular restaurant known for putting on fundraisers for Democrats is also friendly with Democrats.
1 agentcodfuck 2018-08-23
But it is weird that he had these photos on his instagram https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@rebelskum/james-alefantis-once-public-instagram-jimmycomet-now-preserved-on-steemit-blockchain
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Why is that weird? He has a few photos of a happy child (I think he's the godfather), some pizza-related images, and some gay stuff. Pretty much what I'd expect from a young, gay pizzeria owner.
1 luchovzla 2018-08-23
Lotta people have met the president in this thread apparently.
1 megaman8808 2018-08-23
the tone of the debunkers is strangely hostile and irrational, like they are personally invested in defending these creeps.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
The tone of the pizzagate pushers is strangely hostile and irrational ITT, like they are personally invested in this. See, 2 can play at that game
1 megaman8808 2018-08-23
being so into protecting billionaires is way more suspicious.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Here's where I am coming from.
There is a wealth of serious, verifiable evidence that elite pedophilia is rampant.
Everything that falls under the pizzagage umbrella doesn't qualify. It's flimsy, rumor, emotionally manipulative, cherry picked viral factoids that get passed back and forth constantly even though they were disproven almost immediately. (The number of times I've had to correct people about kids not being invited over to a hot tub party, or the two efits being of the same suspect is staggering, and a perfect example of what I'm talking about.)
Focusing on that quality of "evidence" taints the entire subject and makes it much less likely that anything every gets done about this. By design.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
It’s not that unusual
1 azsqueeze 2018-08-23
Ted Neguent visited the white house and he wrote a song about how he's a pedophile. He tried to marry a 17 yr old and Courtney Love claims to have given him a blowjob when she was 12.
1 dankweeddoe 2018-08-23
I really hate it when people compare him to Jose Andres. They aren't even in the same league as each other. Jose Andres is obviously way more influential. If you've done any type of research into the man you would see. He was even on Time’s 100 Most Influential People.
Look at all of these restaurants he owns all over the world.. http://www.joseandres.com/en_us/restaurants
http://www.joseandres.com/en_us/bio
Look at how active this man is in the community.
His restaurants are amazing and people actually want to go to his restaurants.
James Alefantis is nowhere near this guy.
He's been the captain on the Washington DC hockey team for over 8 years and has been on the team since 2004. He's one of the greatest hockey players. It's like saying Michael Jordan is very influential because he is.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
You’re free to make your own list of influential DC residents that doesn’t include Alefantis
1 jim653 2018-08-23
So you really believe Andres was the 41st most powerful person in Washington? And that the weather forecasting team at the WaPo were number 38?
1 asdf2100asd 2018-08-23
You didn't actually say any reason, lol
yet i see a bunch of upvotes
1 Vigte 2018-08-23
Honestly, he shouldn't be - it's literally that point, where they became so arrogant after 9/11 - that it shows something is deathly wrong with DC.
1 Jabroni77 2018-08-23
Who is 50?
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
The guy featured in this video?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZFHLAcG8A
Seems like he may be into some white collar crime. He must rub elbows with the elites, because apparently he’s Been to the White House a few times and held fundraisers for powerful politicians at his restaurant. Kinda disturbing actually.
1 I_HAVE_A_PORBLEM 2018-08-23
It was part of a GQ spread, so I'm assuming a lot of them paid to be there.
1 Marcuskb91 2018-08-23
https://www.gq.com/gallery/50-most-powerful-people-in-washington-dc
This is what the article sites as the reasoning...
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Didn’t this guys allegedly threaten to kill somebody who was digging on one of the properties he owned?
1 Marcuskb91 2018-08-23
I don't know. I have not heard of this until now.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
Did that have something to do with the Pegasus museum? Or was that something else?
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Yea, I think it had to do with the “Pegasus museum”.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
Yikes, I just looked back at when the researcher got threatened. This guy was not playing around. Anyone researching some of these topics should definitely be using VPNs.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Ryan O'Neil claimed he was threatened. He never provided any proof of this. He also claimed that Alefantis said he was going to send himk to prison. So, was he going to send him to prison then kill him, or kill him then send him to prison?
O'Neill clearly felt so little threatened by this that he had no problem immediately making a Youtube video about it. Frankly, if Alefantis had blown his top at this guy, I wouldn't blame him. O'Neil is an execrable piece of human shit, who was using pizzagate to get video views and sell t-shirts.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
That's what one person said without ever providing any evidence for it, yeah.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
I'm not sure what more evidence you wanted from him. He showed screen caps, demonstrated that the link goes to the actual Facebook page. Considering the circumstances I wouldn't expect any other evidence would be available to provide. It's all laid out here:
https://wearechange.org/james-alefantis-threatens-pizzagate-researcher-ryan-oneal/
That being said, Ryan was trying to sell pizzagate shirts, and even though he said he refunded everyone their money prior to the threats, it could've been a dumb marketing stunt. I believe he refunded everyone in case Alefantis sued him, in order to mitigate any profiteering element to the case against him.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
A recording of the phone call which he knew was going to take place.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
He knew a call was going to take place? You mean 10 seconds ahead of time??
Ryan's explanation for not recording the call is how Alefantis gave him a 10 second countdown to call him and at 1 he followed up with "LAST CHANCE". He didn't expect that and didn't have a recording app on hand. Perhaps Ryan could have handled it better but people don't act perfectly under pressure, especially when they're presented with an unexpected development.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
If I recall correctly, they spoke on the phone multiple times.
There is no reason to trust the evidence that has been provided, the evidence that would be meaningful is conspicuously absent, and this dude was trying to profit from this from the very start.
This thing went nowhere, and the more you look at it the less it holds up. Fingerprints of the whole panic. It's all a distraction from the real elite child abuse that we have good evidence for and is ongoing.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
I agree with you that Ryan is an opportunistic guy aiming for views and selling merchandise (It looks like he jumped on Q-anon a few weeks ago...) But that could also explain why he would contact James on Facebook - the exposure from an exclusive interview would be tremendous.
I also agree with you that pizzagate as a whole went nowhere. Initially there was enough smoke that it could've turned into something. Pretty sure it was pushed by bad actors to promote divisiveness between the two major parties because every time someone asked for proof the same points which I didn't find credible were pushed (i.e. kids at a pool party ala Podesta emails.)
But I find it plausible Ryan struck a nerve unrelated to pizzagate involving the Pegasus museum and was intimidated to take that particular video down.
I've seen a comment on one of his more recent videos that he accidentally uploaded a video where Alefantis's # was visible for a couple seconds, that he took it down when someone pointed it out but it was confirmed by another viewer that the number was authentic. This all could be trolls doing what they do, but there's enough that doesn't contradict that I believe his story mostly happened.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
We're mostly in agreement here, but you've gotta see that that unverifiable number confirmation isnthe same type of whisper campaign hall of mirrors bullshit that has been propping up the distraction/division element of this operation.
From where I stand, anyway. Thank you for the excellent response.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
That's a reasonable viewpoint to hold. I guess I'm just coming from the perspective that you don't become a D.C. power player by being a nice guy. Cheers. Always nice to be able to refine a stance.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Absolutely, no one moves in those circles by being nice. Then other side of the coin is that is that you don't climb that high without some serious cover-your-ass instincts and cunning. Threatening the life of someone over open phone lines due to a pedophilia accusation is the level of exposure that these people would never subject themselves to.
Really appreciate the exchange.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
Same here. Pleasant exchange all around; would do it again.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
But he filed a police report and the FBI got involved.
https://postimg.cc/image/ndch0t7a5/
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Nothing on that almost entirely blank form corroborates anything.
Imagine you're this person. You're having multiple instances of personal communication with someone you believe to be operating a child trafficking ring. It never occurs to you to document this? That's ridiculous.
Stories on the internet are meaninglessness.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
I believe he did document everything with screenshots.
Also, if the report is fake or he falsely reported the crime of a terroristic threat from James, why didn’t Ryan get in trouble with police? And why wouldn’t James sue him for a false report?
I love how everybody becomes James Alefantis’ lawyer whenever he is brought up.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Nothing on that form even names who was being accused. From that form, we have no idea who he reported and for what, so I have no way of commenting on what happened. It's non-evidence.
Screenshots of texts are the easiest things to fake. There are websites with templates, it takes no time or effort. The threats I am talking about were over the phone. The screenshots purport to show Alefantis begging for him to take his call, then he agrees. So it's not like it would have been an unexpected call. It's unbelievable that he didn't try to capture the single thing that would have been irrefutable and brought this all down.
Just to be clear, because i always need to say this: I strongly believe that elite child abuse and trafficking is rampant. There a wealth of good, solid evidence that speaks to this. It's a serious real problem and right now it's very likely that someone with more wealth than we'll ever be in a single room with is raping and/or torturing a child right now. The simple fact is that chasing cherry-picked, sensationalized, flimsy shit makes it MUCH less likely that anything ever gets done about this. That is (one of)the points of this psyop.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Where's your evidence the FBI got involved? You're just repeating a claim someone else made.
As to the screenshots, there was no corroboration of them just as there's no corroboration of this report. And his explanations at the time as to why he didn't record the phone call were evasive and asinine.
In any case, O'Neil was making money out of promulgating a bullshit conspiracy accusing Alefantis of being involved in child abuse and murder. Plenty of people posted online about wanting to kill Alefantis and that was perfectly fine with the pizzagate crowd, yet Alefantis losing his rag on one occasion (if indeed he did) is seen as a completely unreasonable response.
1 LoganLinthicum 2018-08-23
Oh and that report even says the case is inactive. That leads me to believe that whatever he did report, they didn't think there was anything to follow up on. Where did you get that the FBI became involved?
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Like with much of pizzagate, he's just repeating a claim that someone else made without providing any evidence.
1 FreonPurple 2018-08-23
Because he is a crypto-Rothschild who is deeply involved in the Satanic Pedo-circle among the so-called "elite."
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Well, we don’t know that for certain.
However, there are some strange things surrounding this guy that paint him in a suspicious light.
I recommend this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GZFHLAcG8A
1 DancesWithPugs 2018-08-23
All of the male Majestic Ape videos (not the female singer) reference pedophilia. If Alefantis is MA, it's all right there.
1 rrtangent 2018-08-23
This theory in a nutshell
1 SocraticMethHead 2018-08-23
Do you know what sub you are in?
1 rrtangent 2018-08-23
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Is it a sub about conforming to everyone else's beliefs?
1 rodental 2018-08-23
Because he's a child trafficker / cleaner for some very powerful pedos.
1 luchovzla 2018-08-23
What about money laundering as well? Definitely possible.
1 rodental 2018-08-23
Could be, there was that art in embassies program he was linked to.
1 Landiesaw 2018-08-23
And you think GQ magazine is somehow aware of this and when they were making this fluff piece said "Who should we put at 49? That child trafficker guy?"
1 rodental 2018-08-23
As opposed to: "who should we put at the 49th most powerful person in America, that guy who owns a couple small restaurants?"
1 Landiesaw 2018-08-23
Is he the only restauranteur on the list? Is he the only one on the whole list that might not be immediately obviously powerful? Have you read the whole list?
1 pinkmaybebabycrazy 2018-08-23
Well, who else was listed as Powerful?
1 Ratisbonia 2018-08-23
Why would you think he is that in the first place?
Can you explain why you believe it?
1 useless_aether 2018-08-23
because he knows who all the paedophiles are in washington dc..
1 LetsGoAllTheWhey 2018-08-23
If that's true, why isn't he dead already?
1 Ty199 2018-08-23
Why you gonna kill the neighborhood pizza dealer
1 LetsGoAllTheWhey 2018-08-23
I wouldn't, but Hillary might.
1 Ty199 2018-08-23
Is he a threat ?
1 Weedwacker3 2018-08-23
And why the heck would they put him in a magazine?
1 useless_aether 2018-08-23
he is a child trafficker, if not the principal child trafficker for washington dc. he is too connected, with prolly a robust dead-man-switch for protection. and if you are a junkie (paedophile) you want to befriend your dealer (child trafficker), not kill him.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Do you really believe this shit?
1 useless_aether 2018-08-23
yes. but i suggest, you ask this question over at https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever for more detailed answers and a larger sample size.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
No thanks, I've seen the stupefying leaps of logic that the voat pizzagate community use to try to "prove" that pizzagate is real. But despite people pushing this threory for well over 18 months now, they still haven't come up with a single piece of credible evidence, a single victim, a single witness, or a single complainant.
I'd ask you what your evidence is for claiming that Alefnatis is "the principal child trafficker for washington dc", but I'm sure I'll get the usual nonsense: his Instagram pictures disturb me or some bands that played at Comet Ping Pong disturb me.
1 Antin0de 2018-08-23
Maybe people just really, really, really liked his instagram posts?
1 LurkPro3000 2018-08-23
Lol
1 zajde1jc 2018-08-23
He is a Roth****
1 ButtViper 2018-08-23
Hey OP, I ate pizza yesterday. Am I a pedophile now?
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
I don’t get it.
1 ButtViper 2018-08-23
pizza is one of America's most popular foods. I'd find it more suspicious if someone didn't engage in pizza related activities.
1 alienrefugee51 2018-08-23
Because even billionaires like pizza? /s.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
He’s not lol, he was listed as such by GQ magazine, which presumably weighted his friendship with several high ranking members of the DNC. If you had done the most minimal amount of research you would know that, but like everything involving pizzagate, the goal is to be misleading
1 asdf2100asd 2018-08-23
How is asking a very simple question misleading? If anything, you are the one being misleading. It's pretty clear that this person was talking about GQ magazine, I don't think that could possibly be in question.
Furthermore, if it just takes "the minimal amount of research" to know your explanation, then why do you need to presume it?
Finally, if you aren't able to see that the title is rhetoric to fuel a discussion, then you probably shouldn't be so condescending.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
It’s misleading because the fact that the list was made by GQ is actually pretty important. There is no government list of objectively ranked influencers; it’s a list made by a fashion and lifestyle magazine to generate clicks
You’re right, I shouldn’t have said presumably, because GQ comes right out and explains why they selected him. So there isn’t even any ambiguity there
1 asdf2100asd 2018-08-23
But that's not even what GQ magazine put in their blurb. And anyone with an IQ over 10 is going to ask "what are you talking about?" in response to the title if they don't know it is about GQ...
1 Horrid_Proboscis 2018-08-23
OP didn't even put the effort in to mention GQ, nor a SS. The person you're replying to actually contributed to the discussion by doing so and adding context. You seem to have taken issue with their tone more than anything, which doesn't advance anything.
1 asdf2100asd 2018-08-23
I was very specific about what I took issue with.
1 space_rangers 2018-08-23
It's best to try not to argue with astroturfers
1 Horrid_Proboscis 2018-08-23
lol I contribute far more to this community than you do.
1 space_rangers 2018-08-23
go fuck yourself buddy
1 Horrid_Proboscis 2018-08-23
You first. If you're gonna accuse someone of something, at least have the spine and moral fibre to accuse them directly, and provide something to support your claim.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-08-23
Rule 4, buddy.
1 space_rangers 2018-08-23
this guy and his rules, bootlicker
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-08-23
Rule 10.
1 space_rangers 2018-08-23
BOOT LICKER
1 Kendle_C 2018-08-23
Somebody's got to supply the child rapers and cannibals.
1 mycatisreallycute 2018-08-23
We fucked up on pizzagate, that was are best chance to expose them and we couldn’t do it..
1 PM_PASSABLE_TRAPS 2018-08-23
Maybe, just maybe that meant that they weren’t guilty of anything..?
1 mycatisreallycute 2018-08-23
Nah I saw the shit on his Instagram before it went private, it’s unfortunately real. That guy should be executed in the street
1 PM_PASSABLE_TRAPS 2018-08-23
Jesus Christ that’s a dangerous outlook to have. I’ve been on their Instagram too and there was 0 evidence that jumped out and said “this is a place for sex traffickers.” Also, why in the world would anyone publicly post pictures that showed evidence of child trafficking on their business’s public social media page?? People have investigated, there’s nothing to the claims. All that has happened is a restaurant getting constantly harassed. Hell some dude was convinced it was shady and ran in with a gun to “find the truth” and realized there was nothing going on when he got in there. Throwing around serious accusations with 0 evidence and advocating for vigilante justice leads to terrible things happening to innocent people
1 mycatisreallycute 2018-08-23
His Instagram is private and was his personal IG and not the comet ping pong account, there website does have the same weird type of shit on it though, nobody could possibly change my mind on this guy I have seen enough.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
Such as?
1 Xaviermgk 2018-08-23
Majestic Ape and Sex Stains, for starters. Sorry, pizza shops DON'T have bands like these. ANYWHERE.
How about people wearing dildos and other things in a place that SERVES FOOD? Is that hygenic?
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
There was absolutely nothing on his Instagram that would warrant you calling for him to be murdered, you lunatic. This is why people don’t believe pizzagate, because those who are pushing it sound deranged
1 CelineHagbard 2018-08-23
Removed. Inciting violence. First warning.
1 PM_PASSABLE_TRAPS 2018-08-23
Just saw this, appreciate you doing this.
1 jim653 2018-08-23
More importantly, since some people here clearly believe that GQ's lists are the absolute truth, why is Vladimir Putin the 38th most important person in Trump's Washington? And why is José Andrés on both lists?
1 mindboglin 2018-08-23
Making up the numbers? 50 is quite a lot even for a big city. I'm sure they were struggling to find people after about 25.
1 FSBYeahYouKnowMe 2018-08-23
This shit again
1 TheVigilantEnt 2018-08-23
Read the whole list, dummy. JA isn't the only restaurant owner on there.
1 grippinth4grain 2018-08-23
I’m not discrediting your claim at all. In fact I agree. But people with money start businesses. It’s not that crazy
1 Loose-ends 2018-08-23
More like he "was" the 48th most powerful during Obama's tenure. He was as we know, well known by Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John Podesta in particular, as no doubt was his former lover and Mr. Astroturf himself, David Brock.
That same GQ listing put Hillary at #5 and surprise, surprise, Tony Podesta and his wife Heather as the 23rd most powerful people in DC back then. Birds of a feather... flock together... yes they do.
And we have one of the Clinton's main henchman, John Podesta
1 rasputin_stark 2018-08-23
I mean, if you want to take GQ's word for it, he is. But GQ is a stupid magazine, writing mostly pop culture, self help and opinion garbage, so I don't believe they have any authority on the matter.
1 Katerinavelikia 2018-08-23
Let me guess...is it because he has the pipeline to comet-eyed children?
The secret is in the name...not the sauce.
1 bennysanders 2018-08-23
I wasn’t aware that James Alefantis is a billionaire. You seem to have a talent for misrepresentation
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1 Puzzleheaded_Owl 2018-08-23
A lot of people have visited the White House and met the president, but agreed. I guess that makes even more reason he should be on the list?
I'm still trying to make the connection to a conspiracy.
1 SanJoseState1 2018-08-23
Yea, I think it had to do with the “Pegasus museum”.
1 sweetjaaane 2018-08-23
I've visited the white house a few times. My dad has met 3 Presidents.
This is what living in DC is like. When you go out drinking, you meet powerful people and schmooze with them. It's not shocking that the owner of a popular restaurant known for putting on fundraisers for Democrats is also friendly with Democrats.
1 azsqueeze 2018-08-23
Ted Neguent visited the white house and he wrote a song about how he's a pedophile. He tried to marry a 17 yr old and Courtney Love claims to have given him a blowjob when she was 12.
1 remotehypnotist 2018-08-23
Same here. Pleasant exchange all around; would do it again.