My personal favorite Apollo “hoax” video
1 2018-09-10 by joe_jaywalker
..... is the official footage.
Here’s Apollo 17 for your viewing pleasure.
Often amid canned responses from NASA shills, who have designated unfalsifiable justifications for every anomaly that’s ever been pointed out about the Apollo missions, it’s easy to forget what we’re even talking about: we’re talking about this video, which is supposed to depict a real space mission.
For those still able to appeal to their own senses, it’s all you need. This footage has not aged well and indeed, upon each viewing and with each passing year looks and smells increasingly like farcical puppetry.
35 comments
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Manly P Hall
A. Hitler
Friedrich Nietzsche
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
Research is bad feels is good - derived from the actions of reddit user JJ. Not using his full name to protect his identity.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
You ever going to make a conspiracy post or are you here strictly to defend NASA?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
I have made such posts and you know it.
Are you ever going to present any evidence?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Your last conspiracy post was 223 days ago, and a political, anti-Trump post.
It’s unclear what your conspiracy interests are, since you support the official narrative of....... everything, and use typical talking points of trolls such as the classic “I’m here to defend basic geometry”
Sure you are.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
That isn't a correct statement. You said post not submission.
This is a post.
BTW don't you say gatekeeping is wrong like all the time?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
No, I literally never say that. And on Reddit, a user’s page clearly is separated into “posts” and “comments.” It is this way on both mobile and desktop views, both old and new Reddit. “Posts” are posts and “comments” are comments, see how that works. Everyone knows this.
The only users who feign ignorance of this obvious fact are those who don’t post here but are attempting to control the conversation or troll in some way.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
What is amazing to me, and to everyone reading this, is that you spend time researching my posts but haven't spent any apparent time studying / researching your own beliefs.
And, assuming this is the post you are talking about, https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7tp7w8/trump_team_considers_nationalizing_5g_network/ how is that an anti-trump post? It was being discussed in the trump administration.
Are you defining anti-trump some unique way?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Yeah, I spent the literal 9 seconds and 2 clicks it took to see that your last post was over 200 days ago and some ho-hum Trump shit.
One of us antagonizes and parasitizes the other one, follows the other one around thread to thread and quotes his comments in their entirety for every reply. That would be you, which “everyone reading this” (as all anti-NASA posts are mechanically downvoted into purgatory) can easily verify for themselves.
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
Yet another example. Why don't you spend the time proving your ideas instead of doing this?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
You mean like how I post often-detailed posts about things I am interested i, explaining why I think certain things when appropriate? And you don’t do this, but instead stalk me from thread to thread, obsessively and redundantly quoting my entire comments? And make claims that you have performed experiments “several times” but don’t show proof when challenged?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
You haven't posted a single piece, as far as I can tell, of evidence to support your ideas about the nonexistence of space and satellites. You dance around and throw insults but you never explain.
You want me to provide GPS data that details the location of my house. You honestly think I am going to do that?
If I did provide the data would you believe it?
1 IMA_Catholic 2018-09-10
Funny you got asked a direct yes / no question then faded away.
Again.
1 Strychnine_213 2018-09-10
Classic JJ
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Just want to point out that while there are a lot of users who will bend over backwards to tell you that these missions really took place, they would never in a hundred years link you to the original footage. Here I am, thinking every bit of it is fake, and I want the whole world to watch it all closely.
Not them, and not NASA. They want this forgotten, replaced by HD movie depictions with Ryan Gosling and re-touched photos in children’s books. They want this swept under the rug.
1 yankerage 2018-09-10
Love the podcast Joe. Hopefully Elons stock prices improve. Lol.
1 Call-Me-Alice 2018-09-10
Just a thought... What if the footage was faked? That the mission still occurred, but for the sake of "national security" instead they aired the staged footage in case something went awry or we actually came across proof of aliens when we landed?
Consider how people would respond at that time if we actually found ruins of a lost society or actual alien beings? It would be pandemonium and all societal constructs would dissolve over night. Some may think that the discovery of alien life would unite human kind but not in the 1960s. People would not have reacted well to that kind of discovery. Not with their limited view points and religious undercurrents of that time. It would make sense that fake footage would be shown as a precautionary measure. And to admit the truth now would create more derision and discourse and completely undermine any shred of integrity the USA intelligence networks & govt may hold in the global political forum.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Once you realize the footage is fake, which every bit of it obviously is, what reason do you have to then jump to all of those silly and far-fetched conclusions?
1 mm902 2018-09-10
This is what i think happened.
1 Loose-ends 2018-09-10
That's a standard argument that doesn't hold up to the normal human curiosity and interest in space or in ruins right here on Earth that we haven't the faintest inkling about how they could ever have been fashioned by human hands.
Others on the Moon would simply be seen as tending to confirm the suspicions that they probably weren't human hands or not by the kind of humans we believe previously existed on Earth at the time they were built or even now within the limitations of our own abilities in that department.
The elementary truth of European explorations from the 1500's onwards wasn't so much that there were unknown and undiscovered lands a plenty but people and fascinating alien cultures already living on all kinds of them and no one went into shock or convulsions or a mad panic over that despite how much more limited their general knowledge and understanding of the world was throughout it. It simply whet their appetite for more.
People had lapped-up TV shows like "Men in Space, One Step Beyond, the Twilight Zone, The Outer Limits," and "Star Trek" and millions of them had already seen "2001 A Space Odyssey" well before the Moon missions that were actually tame and really something of a let-down by comparison.
The hope was there might be actually something else and more provocative and interesting besides simply the dust and craters that we already knew were there as was the disappointing and lumbering movements of the astronauts in what was supposedly only 1/5th of the gravity here on Earth.
Looking at it from this vantage point in time there wasn't much more to it or that was accomplished than just that.
1 VintageOG 2018-09-10
This might actually be the case, but faking any part of it makes the entire idea or mission reasonable to question. To me, this footage seems fake, but my biggest issue lies with people who pretend to know for sure if it happened or if it didn't.
1 Call-Me-Alice 2018-09-10
Agreed. I was attempting to offer a different perspective about the footage. IMO, it seems staged. The thing that gets me is the reasoning why.
What reasons would the govt have for showing fake footage? Why not admit it was faked?
To me, it seems plausible that the public would be shown fake footage with that very first landing/trip. In order to keep the public from having another freak out fit (ala War of the Worlds). Even if we didn't come across anything alien, what if a malfunction happened? How would the public respond in the 1960s to seeing the astronauts blown up, or crushed, etc? Not well, to say the least.
1 Vietoris 2018-09-10
What's wrong with the video ? I understand that it "feels" fake to you, but can you explain precisely what details make you think that it is fake ?
This other footage has also not aged very well. Does that mean that it's a hoax and that no train ever arrived in La Ciotat train station ?
1 Boogie__Fresh 2018-09-10
Yeah I'd also be interested in hearing some specific things that make this footage seem "fake".
It looks fine to me.
1 whenipeeithurts 2018-09-10
Worse than MST3K.
1 Raven9nine9 2018-09-10
Several of the Apollo missions took laser reflectors like this one to the moon they have been used for years in laser ranging experiments.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Apollo_11_Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment.jpg/300px-Apollo_11_Lunar_Laser_Ranging_Experiment.jpg
1 perfect_pickles 2018-09-10
but people had bounced laser light off the Moon before any reflectors went there.
1 Boogie__Fresh 2018-09-10
Such as?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
As early as 1963.
http://www.anachronresearch.com/Markus/1966NatGeoLasers.pdf
1 Boogie__Fresh 2018-09-10
Where does it mention bouncing laser light off the moon and back to Earth?
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
It was actually 1962.
1 joe_jaywalker 2018-09-10
Not to mention, even if there were reflectors on the moon's surface, which has not been demonstrated, it doesn't prove men put them there. Kind of like seeing a light in the sky doesn't prove there are people in gorilla suits playing flute on the ISS.
1 chumbalong 2018-09-10
Can said reflections be seen with a telescope? Seems like it would be easy enough to end part of the debate.
1 Boogie__Fresh 2018-09-10
The scene at 23:20 seems almost un-fakeable to me. I can't imagine how they would emulate that effect in the 60's.
Even modern day wire-work in big budget movies looks janky.
1 LinusMinimax 2018-09-10
Indeed, the footage undermines itself. Here’s a new angle on that: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHBaYUkrtIs