The sheeple are literally unconscious

1  2018-09-14 by TheCIASellsDrugs

There is a post from a few years ago that perfectly illustrates someone who admits that they literally had no internal monologue:

I think I'm very different from most people because of one main thing. I never thought with language. Ever. I moved to Canada when I was 2 from Asia, and have been basically been around English speakers my whole life. I'm in my twenties now and I can speak it relatively well, and can understand every single word. However, growing up, I never ever thought with language. Not once did I ever think something in my mind with words like "What are my friends doing right now?" to planning things like "I'm going to do my homework right after watching this show." I went through elementary school like this, I went through Highschool like this, I went through University like this...and I couldnt help but feel something was off about me that I couldnt put my hand on. Just last year, I had a straight up revalation, ephiphany....and this is hard to explain...but the best way that I can put it is that...I figured out that I SHOULD be thinking in language. So all of a sudden, I made a conscious effort to think things through with language. I spent a years time refining this new "skill" and it has COMPLETELY, and utterly changed my perception, my mental capabilities, and to be frank, my life. I can suddenly describe my emotions which was so insanely confusing to me before. I understand the concept that my friends are still "existing" even if they're not in site by thinking about their names. I now suddenly have opinions and feelings about things that I never had before. What the heck happened to me? I started thinking in language after not doing so my whole life. It's weird because I can now look back at my life before and see just how weird it was. Since I now have this new "skill" I can only describe my past life as ...."Mindless"..."empty"....."soul-less".... As weird as this sounds, I'm not even sure what I was, If i was even human, because I was barely even conscious. I felt like I was just reacting to the immediate environment and wasn't able to think anything outside of it. It's such a strange time in my life. It feels like I just found out the ultimate secret or something. .....Can anyone relate, or understand what Im saying? Can anyone explain what is happening to me? I have no idea where to even post this but this has been on my mind ever since I've been able to think about it.

This is not as uncommon as you might think. It would not surprise me if half of the population exerted very limited (don't walk in front of a bus) or no consciousness at all. I suspect at least 80% exert no consciousness when it comes to actually thinking about things that matter (philosophy, politics, spirituality).

Since these people cannot think for themselves, they rely on others to think for them. What is the implication? Whoever can control the opinions of the unconscious can control society.

Now you see why the oligarchy spends so much effort on creating and controlling media (Hollywood, television) which they use to subtly control the thinking of the masses. The masses are controlled by unconscious suggestion and memes. You can't win by convincing the sheeple with rational arguments, they simply aren't capable or interested in hearing you out.

The attempt to ban memes in the EU is based on the fear that conscious people without any media outlets learned how to undermine the oligarchy's mind control. Once you understand meme magic, you can start to undermine and counter the programming.

Anyone who wants to see a better world (what Jesus called "the Good Shepherd") would do very well to learn how to sway public opinion. This is done by first envisioning the world you want to live in, then making it into a powerful meme.

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1  Zap_Powerz 2018-09-14

lol....look at the crazy conspiracy theorist talking about how brainwashed the masses are and calling people sheeple!

Oh boy, top mind right here.

Do you know how I know youre crazy and dumb OP? Because that is what I have been told to think about people like you by the media, the government, education, entertainment.

IM NOT BRAINWASHED, YOU ARE!

Now excuse me while I go watch some CNN, FOX or MSNBC, read the NYT or WaPo and research topics on Google. I will also go to sub reddits full of people that think like me and they will tell me how smart I am for thinking like them and how dumb you are for not thinking like us!

1  pootytangent 2018-09-14

This comment is a work of art

1  fuckeverywhoreson 2018-09-14

Fingerpaint.

1  Zap_Powerz 2018-09-14

still art.

1  bBAMEr 2018-09-14

Sarcasm or Real?

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

Literally mocking "conspiracy theorists" in r/conspiracy

What the fuck is wrong with you? If you don't like conspiracy theories, go somewhere else.

1  Zap_Powerz 2018-09-14

On a more serious note:

Ive wondered if a lot of the people I interact with have an internal voice. I swear more and more people act like NPCs than they do real people with a "soul" I guess if you believe in that sort of thing.

Maybe its just humans getting fucking dumber due to pollution, shitty education, technology, shitty entertainment, shitty government, shitty environment, shitty families....basically, they exist in shit so why should I expect greatness from them?

I dont.

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

Ive wondered if a lot of the people I interact with have an internal voice. I swear more and more people act like NPCs than they do real people with a "soul" I guess if you believe in that sort of thing.

This is an interesting question. I think these people do have souls, but they choose not to exercise the faculties they were given. They are entirely solipstistic. They absolutely do not care what the truth is if it would cause them discomfort.

I would actually say that this is the closest description I can find to diabolical or satanic thinking. Satan (you can interpret that literally or figuratively) is not merely evil and selfish, he is obviously wrong in his assertions, yet he absolutely refuses to re-examine his position at any point.

It's like the topminds brigaders in a way. Their anger is based on the fact that we won't agree with them, but they can't actually prove their position. It's entirely based on the emotion of outrage, not facts and evidence that they can rationally explain. It's completely solipsistic blind rage, and I suspect many of them will never let go of their rage, in this life or the next.

In "The Great Divorce" CS Lewis describes Hell as a place where people are very "small," angry, and irrational. The way he describes Hell is almost a solipsistic loss of consciousness and withering away into the prison of one's own mind.

I know I'll get angry atheist responses to this because I mentioned religious concepts on reddit, but try to think about the point I made, not the fact that you think all religion and religious ideas are stupid.

1  Zap_Powerz 2018-09-14

You make interesting points, but I get uncomfortable when people use religion in their arguments.

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

That's dangerously close to being a logical fallacy. Religious ideas are quite capable of being true, even if you don't believe in God, religious institutions or dogma, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_fallacy

For a good example, check out Jordan Peterson's metaphorical interpretations of Christianity that have gone absolutely viral in recent months.

1  Zap_Powerz 2018-09-14

I do not disagree. The problem I have when people start to wax religiously is that I have had a long history in religion and around religious people. They tend to be blind in their faith and so when I am communicating with a religious person I cant help but wonder how mentally stunted they are because of religion.

I recognize this is a personal issue I have and a personal bias I have, but I have it and there you go.

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

The problem I have when people start to wax religiously is that I have had a long history in religion and around religious people. They tend to be blind in their faith and so when I am communicating with a religious person I cant help but wonder how mentally stunted they are because of religion.

There's nothing inherent about religion or religious ideas that causes this. It's simply what happens in all human institutions: sheeple wander around unconsciously and the good and the bad shepherds fight over where to lead them. Nothing has changed since Jesus' time.

1  BeshizzleAGenizzle 2018-09-14

I second that! Watched the entire series in a couple of days!

1  Adamarama 2018-09-14

How do people learn and use language though if they don’t think in it? That’s what I don’t get. I can’t contemplate at all what this persons experience was, having no internal voice yet knowing how to speak. It’s so weird! It freaks me out tbh, I hope it’s not the case that loads of people are like that.

1  BeshizzleAGenizzle 2018-09-14

Well said!

1  tiberius_regulus 2018-09-14

Good post. This is the result of a calcified pineal gland imo.

1  thesuicidesquad 2018-09-14

Sounds similar to the bicameral mind theory.

1  chilover20 2018-09-14

I wish I could turn my internal voice off at times. I overthink everything. Also creates social anxiety. I am learning to stop being a softy. Sleep would come so much easier if that internal conversation would shut down. I've also come to realize that not everyone has a conscience or a heart, so don't try to appeal to it.

1  AeiouLmao 2018-09-14

What does the chi in your username stand for? Shy?

Fuck everyone else buddy, this is your world.

1  chilover20 2018-09-14

Chihuahua. I used to raise them. Love the little dogs. Loved their attitudes too. It's funny you say it's my world too. It's just those words that started me coming out of my shell. I had a medical problem and I thought how sad if I died before I really lived like it was my world. The change started then.

1  AeiouLmao 2018-09-14

That’s great to hear man and you just gave me a fuzzy warm feeling, rock on brother! All that matters is all that matters to you.

1  tamrix 2018-09-14

It's literally what meditation is.

1  ewwwwwzipties 2018-09-14

The best part is that people think this a joke..

1  JohnStumpyPepys 2018-09-14

We're never taught mindfulness for a reason.

The population is much easier to manipulate when they're at the mercy of their own emotional swings. Listen to any mainstream radio or tv, it's all point/counterpoint garbage. This is all by design. Every issue is either black or white but in reality the world is much more complex.

Getting people to emotionally identify with manufactured opinions and see the "other side" as the enemy keeps people angry, scared, unconscious and controllable.

1  IndigoEarthchild 2018-09-14

Just because people don't think with language doesn't mean they don't have a consciousness. They still have internal thoughts and emotions, still consider things internally. They just aren't doing it linguistically, most often it is experienced visually, an in there minds eye. Do you think this person was indicating that they were just a void unless being interacted with?

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

They just aren't doing it linguistically, most often it is more of an internal monologue experienced visually, as in their minds eye.

I would guess that visual thinking is even less common than verbal consciousness, and almost everyone who has visual consciousness also has verbal consciousness.

Do you think this person was indicating that they were just a void unless being interacted with?

Yes.

1  IndigoEarthchild 2018-09-14

If they were indeed a void unless they were being interacted with, how do you suppose they would have come to that conclusion? That obviously requires self introspection and internal consideration. How would you suggest that an "NPC" without a consciousness would realize they were different than most people if they have no "self" what would there be to compare to others?

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

If they were indeed a void unless they were being interacted with, how do you suppose they would have come to that conclusion?

Some people never thought for themselves. They simply don't understand basic logic or lack sufficient language to think.

Others consciously turn it off, commonly in adolescence. Peer pressure hammers them when they think and reach contradictory conclusions to the group, they dislike getting hammered this way, so they start to substitute the groupthink for their own reasoning.

When you engage with these people, the reason they disagree with you is that you are failing to conform to the groupthink, as signaled by late night tv shows, Hollywood, or social media. It's not even that they disagree with you, they are literally trying to communicate to you "don't you understand that this is not what you're supposed8 to believe? What is *wrong with you?"

We are not even speaking the same language. When we think of the word "believe" we think of some sort of opinion you have come to hold based on some supporting evidence. When they say they "believe" something, they mean "this is what I assess to be the socially correct response to this question."

1  BeshizzleAGenizzle 2018-09-14

Love the way output that; great comment!

1  MutatedSerum 2018-09-14

Theres literally no way to verify if everyone is conscious. Infact everyone one else on the planet isn't concious or anything other than a figment of my imagination. I'm the only thing real. I am everything. I am you.

1  BeshizzleAGenizzle 2018-09-14

I just presume most ppl are acting on their limbic system. Don't know how they do it, but they don't seem to notice anything that doesn't slap them in the face.

1  hiptang 2018-09-14

IMO people are on a rail, like in a first person shooter. What I mean by this is that they have been offered a construct. To be brief, the construct is capitalism aka money chasing. The argument between invisble forces is people dont want free will, they want to be driven around. They can choose free will but doing so will make them appear to be not normal in society espcially as it relates to the green (money). So, people arent really asleep they have just decided to ride the capitalism rail because it is expedient.

1  soygirlzero 2018-09-14

The guy in the OP just sounds as if his internal verbal processing capabilities were underdeveloped, which is of course ignoring an important skill of the brain and thus would lead to a subjective increase in mental capabilities if trained. Developing a skill is always an increase in performance. That‘s basically like saying „I recognised that I never read a book, so I started reading books - it was hard at first but now my brain works so much better, whoa“

Saying that this made him „unconscious“ is a dangerous logical fallacy.

Imo you don‘t have to think in language to think/be conscious. In fact, it is less efficient to think in language because your brain has to „translate“ your thoughts and emotions first. Most people will never get this though, and can‘t imagine that you can think outside of language. Relying on language as your go-to thought software is very limiting, which is why people struggle so much with new concepts, as language makes you rely on the same set of patterns. That’s also one of the reasons why buddhist meditate to calm the inner voice which they call „the monkey mind“ and aim to go beyond that.

Someone mentioned the bicameral mind theory here. An interesting book who goes into that is also „Return to the Brain of Eden“, which can be found as PDF here: http://abc.herbalgram.org/site/DocServer/Return_to_the_Brain_of_Eden_front_matter.pdf?docID=5901

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

Saying that he was „unconscious“ is a dangerous logical fallacy.

I don't see where you believe you have demonstrated a fallacy of the logic. One definition of consciousness is the ability to think about your actions. The person in that post quite literally lacks that ability.

In fact, it is less efficient to think in language because your brain has to „translate“ your thoughts and emotions first. Most people will never get this though, and can‘t imagine that you can think outside of language.

It sounds like you are trying to describe visual reasoning, or possibly even intuition. These are certainly valuable, but I don't see how they would generally conflict with verbal reasoning.

1  soygirlzero 2018-09-14

If he wasn’t able to think about his actions, how come he was able to think that he lacked the skill to think in language before actually doing so?

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

That's the process of "waking up" that many people go through.

1  soygirlzero 2018-09-14

Sorry, but that doesn’t answer the question at all. If being conscious equals self-reflection, then you can‘t self-reflect and be unconscious, easy as that. You can say he lacked the skill to actively engage in introspection, but not that he was unconscious.

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

If they were indeed a void unless they were being interacted with, how do you suppose they would have come to that conclusion?

Some people never thought for themselves. They simply don't understand basic logic or lack sufficient language to think.

Others consciously turn it off, commonly in adolescence. Peer pressure hammers them when they think and reach contradictory conclusions to the group, they dislike getting hammered this way, so they start to substitute the groupthink for their own reasoning.

When you engage with these people, the reason they disagree with you is that you are failing to conform to the groupthink, as signaled by late night tv shows, Hollywood, or social media. It's not even that they disagree with you, they are literally trying to communicate to you "don't you understand that this is not what you're supposed8 to believe? What is *wrong with you?"

We are not even speaking the same language. When we think of the word "believe" we think of some sort of opinion you have come to hold based on some supporting evidence. When they say they "believe" something, they mean "this is what I assess to be the socially correct response to this question."

1  soygirlzero 2018-09-14

If he wasn’t able to think about his actions, how come he was able to think that he lacked the skill to think in language before actually doing so?

1  TheCIASellsDrugs 2018-09-14

That's the process of "waking up" that many people go through.

1  soygirlzero 2018-09-14

Sorry, but that doesn’t answer the question at all. If being conscious equals self-reflection, then you can‘t self-reflect and be unconscious, easy as that. You can say he lacked the skill to actively engage in introspection, but not that he was unconscious.

1  AeiouLmao 2018-09-14

That’s great to hear man and you just gave me a fuzzy warm feeling, rock on brother! All that matters is all that matters to you.