Mods Approving Brigading?

1  2018-09-18 by Puzzleheaded_Owl

Can a mod explain why it is that when a thread critical of Trump reaches the #1 spot, it's often removed for "brigading" despite there never being any actual evidence of brigading, but when this thread is actually brigaded with evidence in the comments (linked from 4chan), it's not just left up but also stickied?

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The whole sub is filled with GA members at the moment, so that is a hot topic at the moment. Not to mention there is actual first hand evendence of the bans. You'll have to provide more evidence for your claim. What post was banned for brigading? Scrapped link please.

Arbitrarymin....not admin

The GA users are more akin to refugees than brigadiers. Their space was taken away, so it's only natural many will return to/ come here in the interim. Is there anything that you can point to that would be indicative of brigading as opposed to a simple influx of users in diaspora?

Q linked to that thread yesterday.

Is it considered brigading when Buzzfeed links an r/AskReddit thread for an article titled " These are the things Reddit users say to never leave the house without", or some other such BS article?

Uhhh... It has been, actually.

Has it though? Do you have any examples?

These are legitimate questions, I'm not just trying to troll you.

Why here?

Why not voat or 8chan?

Why not here, is a better question.

Voat and 8chan are acceptable as well. This has always been a place to discuss conspiracy theories though, and until its name changes I can't think of any reasonable justification to bar discussion of Q.

Because Q is a larp and every sane person knows that

So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view is insane? I don't see how fostering that sentiment allows for a reasonable exchange of thought on the matter.

It's not a point of view lmfao it's people believing that some random person on the internet is Mike Pence or Donald Trump or something

It's completely insane lol yes!

people believing that some random person on the internet is Mike Pence or Donald Trump or something.

I'm fairly certain the true belief would fall under the umbrella of the "or something"

Isn't it supposed to be the reincarnation of JFK or something?

I don't recall hearing that but spreading that does seem to be an effective way to poison the well

Sorry, JFK jr.

Lol well that's convenient... "Or something"

Meaning it COULD be DJT himself.... Or it could be Kyle the autistic kid down the street

Don't worry Q, your secret is safe with me ;)

NO, don't YOU worry Q...c'mon Quixote...spill the beans dude. Fess up.

cold sweat

it's just me and my caballo, si

Yeah right...onto you...

Are you conversing with your alt?

No, it's called another user, and YOU call people crazy. WOW

Sorry you can't appreciate actual humor boss.

One man is no more than another, if he do no more than what another doe.

But no, I thought it was you actually

And you say Q has too much free time? WOW

“The truth may be stretched thin, but it never breaks, and it always surfaces above lies, as oil floats on water.”

Thanks Sancho, forgot about that book!

no problemo!

I actually never read it, but I never knew as a kid it was FUNNY. Woulda made it a lot easier if I knew that. :)

The most perceptive character in a play is the fool, because the man who wishes to seem simple cannot possibly be a simpleton.

Maybe the fool has to learn everything through experience...

Well that's ominous

Man, if you knew some of the discussions I've had on Reddit...Even last night I had to retread something that's certainly ominous...or foreboding. Either way...it's been a crazy ride the last few years...

How anyone keeps track of anything is beyond me. Everyone's been heated so heated lately it's hard to discern the ominous from the bogus. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders though. Quite a rare find indeed...especially with so much else contained within

It's completely insane lol yes!

That's why you are laughing out loud, right?

LOADED WORDS/PHRASES:

"some random person"

"completely insane"

"asinine"

"ranting"

"mentally ill"

"cult"

"ridiculously wrong"

"constantly disproven"

"worst"

You forgot the "worst internet board on the internet"

Redundant...like those servers the Awans had.

some random person

Oh, do tell who it is! We all want to know!

completely insane

I really don't know how else to categorize the belief that a high-ranking WH insider is on 4Chan hanging out

asinine

Again.... 4chan

ranting

That's what i would say it is. I'm sorry, would you prefer me saying he's leaving "intel drops" on 4Chan? Lol

mentally ill

Because you have to believe that either a high-ranking WH insider is leaving intel drops on 4Chan... Or someone is spending an increasing amount of time pretending to do so... Which can probably be categorized as a form of mental illness considering the amount of time invested at this point.

ridiculously wrong

Well claiming that Hillary is secretly in jail right now can only be right or wrong.... Considering she's recently been seen out and about doing interviews and speeches.... I would say it's wrong... And ridiculously wrong at that

constantly disproven

Again... Hillary isn't in jail, Mueller isn't working on Trump's side... Giant pedo rings involving the highest echelons of power haven't gone down.... Lol you tell me

worst

Lol well this is just lazy. You might as well have included

The

To make your list compete.

I really don't know how else to categorize the belief that a high-ranking WH insider is on 4Chan hanging out

It's hard to believe someone has a computer. WOW!

... and is hanging out on 4Chan. Wow!

It's SO hard to get to!

Lol does this person go to Club Penguin after? Maybe takes a FB quiz after? Lol

What the fuck is that and who cares? You act like people can't use websites.

spending an increasing amount of time

Like you talking down conspiracies?

I don't talk down all conspiracies. Just especially stupid ones.

Also, I'm not a high ranking WH official

I don't talk down all conspiracies. Just especially stupid ones.

The benefit of going around talking down conspiracies being??? FUN?

Nah. Just a response.

But I can tell you're feelings are kinda hurt on this. You must be a real believer.

I honestly don't care what you think. The Q conspiracy theory is stupid and unhinged.

But that's my opinion. You can believe all you want in whatever you want. It's no sweat off my back. Have a great day

Even I have better things to do than bullshit on the internet.

But here you are, all the time. WOW hypocritical.

completely insane

And your psychiatry credentials please?

Do you really need one in order to conclude that someone in the highest echelons of power hanging out on 4Chan is insane?

You're free to believe what you want to believe, no matter how implausible.

Which can probably be categorized as a form of mental illness considering the amount of time invested at this point.

Time invested in something is mental illness? Reading and learning on the internet is mental illness? SOURCE?

A massive amount of time invested in pretending you're someone else can be described as a degree of mental illness... Yes.

Like you are doing talking down conspiracies? Same thing?

worst

Lol well this is just lazy.

By worst there did you mean uncensored unlike Reddit? LOADED WORD.

I think you're kinda tweakin out on this one. Didn't really make sense

Neither does your logic or presence.

Q is a larp and every sane person

I'd say like 5% of people have even HEARD of LARPs, mate. So, ridiculous statement.

Is it sane to go on a conspiracy and post non-stop about things that you don't believe in, and belittle people that do? Not really.

This has always been a place to discuss conspiracy theories though, and until its name changes I can't think of any reasonable justification to bar discussion of Q.

Because Qultist don't actually engage in conspiracy theories. They just blindly upvote and regurgitate what Q feeds them. They have a major case of the groupthinkies.

Lol this is classic right wing double-standard speak.

"Brigaders" vs "refugees"

Give me a fuckin break

Patiently awaiting the part where you refute a point instead of mock

When people who have other forums to discuss things get sent to this sub en masse by a single person and admit it as such, they’re brigading.

When it’s Q folks they’re welcomed with open arms and get a post about them stickied. You’re calling them “refugees”, the same excuse was done when this place welcomed T_D folks during their 12 hour shit fit when the sub closed.

When other subs do it whose points of view don’t align with the mod team, they’re brigading, the top mod frequently posts about it in an attempt to antagonize them and make them “the enemy”

I don’t see how a ton of new traffic from people who aren’t regular users of this sub, because they were sent here by someone else, isn’t brigading.

Is it only brigading if Reddit is the medium used? If TMOR went on discord to coordinate things about this sub, would that still be brigading? It seems to me like the only difference between “refugees” and “brigaders” is who’s side you’re on

I do find it funny how many there say Q sent me. I'm waiting for it to tell them to move to Guyana and drink flavor aide.

Forum sliding ^

Pointing out the obvious is forum sliding, or was my Guyana joke not to your liking?

Rule 10.

WWG1WGA

Where we’re gullible one, we’re gullible all.

Oh, the big pizzagate believer. You actually made a thread saying you believed in Pizzagate then ATTACKED people who asked what you believed about it. RIDICULOUS.

I didn’t “ATTACK” anybody in that thread, despite total antagonization.

Proof?

Yes, you did, and I talked to the person extensively in the thread about it. Your account is garbage. Look up the thread yourself.

total antagonization

TOTAL bull

Of course you didn't attack anyone, EVERYONE attacked you, right? WHAT A JOKE!

That's WHY I bring it up here. To show people your account is bogus.

All caps doesn’t make your point any more valid, stalker. We’re done here.

EVERYONE attacked you, right?

any more valid

Yeah, they WERE completely valid without the caps. But I like emphasis.

Because the threads being removed are from obvious shills. The Q people, no matter what you think of them, are genuine people/

The Q people, no matter what you think of them, are genuine people who had their sub deleted.

Except of course the ones that started the whole thing, to take advantage of genuine people, and make money off of clicks and bumper stickers.

You're making an assumption, and one that doesn't really matter. The Q people are genuine, and I hope they stick around this sub to dilute some of the shills.

It's not an assumption at all. It's a fact. Does every video Tracy Diaz puts up not have a patreon donate button? Qanon, real or fake is big business, and a lot of genuine people are getting mislead and taken for a ride.

It's not an assumption at all. It's a fact.

Then prove it.

Prove what? That people make money off the internet?

Oh your point is that people make money off the internet? Why exactly do you think that is a point worth making?

Because lots of the Q stuff out there is false and misleading. I really don't give a shit if Q is real or not but the people riding the coat tails for cash piss me off.

Like what exactly?

People have chosen to create videos and products and sell them online......

Because people have been opportunistic in regards to the Qanon phenomenon, it somehow is a reflection of the legitimacy of Q?

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit eh?

I said nothing of the sort. I make no claims to the legitimacy because I really don't care enough to follow it.

I think the people profiting are throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks and have little to no inside knowledge. They sure like to pretend they do for cash money though don't they?

The Q people are the shills.

No, its the people pushing sanctioned MSM talking points who are the shills, trust me on this.

well why be mad at a good business plan?

Because misleading people for cash is wrong? Wtf.

What is misleading? the people who buy the gear know what they are buying. they want to spend money to support and spread the word. Don't be a shill and look at the proofs

Rule 10. Edit and it's back.

^ This

Dont bother reading, this account is only 62days old

Don't bother reading. This account loves to post in /r/politics

GA was banned and is still on the Admins radar, so let's sticky a post Q linked to here and advertise /r/conspiracy as the new unofficial home for the Qultists! Sounds like a great idea!

Might as well print ourselves t-shirts with targets on the backs.

Or stand upbfor something bigger than yourself.

You have done nothing wrong. Why worry? Just make r/conspiracy2.0

Cool, so a 4chan hoax gets to barrel in, displace all the regulars, and then get us shut down for facilitating absolutely blatant ban evasion.

Ban evasion. Funny thing abiut that is you have never heard the admins say that regarding the Banout. The Ban evasion bullshit is for the idiot mods invented by Banout as a scare tactic. Not us regulars. I never stopped reading, posting, and commenting about Q the whole time. Not one thing happened to me except finding more Q peeps.

What did you do wrong?

Go ahead, bend the knee. I sure AF wont!

Right? The sticky even says Q approved, what the fuck is that all about.

Well, when people say this place is t_d 2.0 and the mods are complicit.... This is the kind of evidence they point to

A good friend of mine who was a pretty prominent poster here was banned for essentially making a snarky comment to a mod. No rule violations cited, just “trolling”.

He was one of the loudest voices on this sub talking about things in the Russia investigation that the MSM wasn’t necessarily covering, and ended up being months ahead of the game, correctly predicting things like Butina’s arrest, new indictments for Manafort after the first one, etc. He was banned for very flimsy reasoning, again with no rule violations mentioned.

When he contested it, the mod team basically called him a shill, tried to gatekeep that He wasn’t a “real conspiracy theorist” because he was left-wing, and make personal attacks against the guy

It’s really frustrating to see people act like this sub has a clear liberal bias when things make it to the front page when those in charge of this sub have openly welcomed people from T_D and GA after their bans, put popular anti-Trump threads in contest mode to encourage gish gallop from the right, tried to silence left wing posters, even gone as far as to make a “persona non grata” list of anyone criticizing Trump too loudly.

It’s really sad that I genuinely feel like criticizing the mods in this post could get me banned, and even worse that this sub describes itself as a place for free thought when certain thoughts are being policed

I've seen those posts on other subs with the mod logs. I'm going to be careful and not try to join those ranks bc i honestly like it here so I'll just say "I believe it" and leave it at that.

Right? The sticky/flair even says Q approved, what the fuck is that all about.

You guys literally have all of Reddit covered with liberal majority, except for T_D and are now crying that a second sub is welcoming non-liberals, can't make this shit up.

Why not just make a left leaning conspiracy sub?

this should be a place for free thought, not for free right wing thought and that’s all

this should be a place for free thought

Exactly. I was pissed when this place for flooded with r/politics leftists who don't even believe in conspiracies, but at the very least, went with it even if I didn't like it. I saw it as an evolution of this sub. Now with Q's flooding in, I'm not necessarily a Q believer, but at the very least they legit believe and are conspiracy theorists

not for free right wing thought and that’s all

Free thought includes all sides. If either side doesn't like it, they can leave.

you’re gatekeeping man, the whole idea that “leftists” can’t believe in conspiracy theories or that the Trump/Russia thing isn’t a giant conspiracy is just a way to silence others

I'm not gatekeeping. You're here and you are welcome to test your ideas in the collective. I'm not telling you to leave, but I am saying the left has literally all of Reddit taken over except for T_D and here.

I welcome all non-liberals here to this sub, makes it less of an echo chamber

No my problem is a “free thinking” sub has suddenly seemed very alright with a leader with major authoritarian leanings simply because he “owns the libs” the last few years.

Exactly, like all they care about is “liberal tears”

“Our team is better than your team!!!1”

I say the same thing about people like Maxine Waters. If your whole platform is fuck the other side, go fuck yourself.

A good sign of low intelligence is that kind of partisan tribalism.

It’s been a long day and I genuinely can’t tell what point you’re trying to make but I also know I haven’t been as clear or eloquent as possible. But I do not like or support any politician who’s main purpose seems to be pissing off the other side, no matter who they claim to represent.

You had your 8 years under Saudi owned Obama. Now it's the Orange guys turn. After him some other fvck will be in that you will be complaining about, ad infinitum

BecUse you totallyyyyy know how I feel about specific politicians or politics in general 👌

Also calling Obama Saudi owned and ignoring https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5922f54834911b297f8b4c85-750-563.jpg

Also calling Obama Saudi owned and ignoring https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5922f54834911b297f8b4c85-750-563.jpg 🤣

Except that the House of Saud funded Obama's University costs. Also Trump and Junior may have been part of the end of the old Guard in S.A. and installation of the new progressive Prince as the head. Now allnof a sudden women are allowed to drive there and they are opening movie theaters.

Regardless, anyone who is Prez has to meet w them because they have a monopoly on the Person Dollar

I gave no fucks about the GA sub or Q, nor do I go to politics because again no fucks are given. I came to this sub for conspiracies, not to follow some stranger on the internet that thinks it's Jack Ryan from a Tom Clancy novel. The whole Q game is not a conspiracy to me, it's babble that it's users like to decipher. Wanting this sub to not get banned because of pissy people doesn't make everybody a liberal, It's wanting the sub to survive.

Wanting this sub to not get banned because of pissy people doesn't make everybody a liberal, It's wanting the sub to survive.

Banning people in the first place is the problem, and having to worry that people who got banned will get this sub banned is a problem created by the banners. That's the bigger issue here

If you owned a tavern, would you want a drunk asshole who constantly causes fight to come and harass your customers or would you flag him?

Apples and oranges. I feel the drunk asshole is less of a threat then a group of people buying out the entire neighborhood and telling me who I should or shouldn't allow in my bar while gate keeping who gets to come into my bar.

Thats where you're wrong, You'd have to deal with police, You'd have to deal with your insurance company, eventually you'd have to deal with local officials arguing why you should keep your liquor license. You could lose your entire livelihood because you refused to flag someone who could not act civilly around others. Blaming the neighborhood for your bad choice in keeping the asshole is just a cop out.

The insurance, cops, local boards, lawyers, etc all working for those buying out the entire neighborhood around me so only their people move in and run the town. Then all of a sudden a drunk guy comes in to start shit, sounds like a psy OP to get me out

This is stupid, not only the argument, but the reasoning of the admins.

Its a pure for censorship argument.

If they banned an entire sub because "they are bad and did bad things" why would they allow those users to then migrate to other subs.

So now we cant have ANY of the same ideas that were on those subs because those ideas are what causes bad people to do bad things?

Think about it slowly, they DIDNT ban the people, they banned the IDEAS.

Do you not see this?

Astute observation.

We have many Q subs still alive.

They use the "brigading, violence, harassment" rules as a convenient way to shut down communities whenever they please. All they have to do is create some puppet accounts and post violent content then use it as an excuse to shut down an entire sub. If they truly cared about such content they would simply be handing bans out on those select people promoting violence or harassment.

Punishing an entire group for the actions of a few is no different from any other form of discrimination such as racism that uses exactly the same rhetoric.

That plan doesn't work if mods are actually trying to remove the content.

You would think so but GA had incredibly vigilant mods. Right before the ban they even stickied a post about how they run a tight ship and how they have no tolerance for the offending content.

Every post is a talking point and a board is a narrative. They're blocking narratives and suppressing talking points to avert opinions

Same thing happened to Fatpeoplehate, they spread those bad apples and ding dongs to the next likely place.

Yeah, "fatpeoplehate" and "greatawakening" both sound horrible. Oh wait, it's only one of those.

I was comparing the effect of them spreading out.

Everyone gets in a fucking tizzy when Q shit is posted about, so banning their sub was a terrible idea because it just results in Q shit being spread to other subreddits.

I'm arguing against the censorship honestly, mainly because I'm tired of so much bullshit strife online.

bad apples and ding dongs

Not gonna lie, that sounds like a terrible meal.

So this sub should just bend the knee? Everyone should discuss whatever topic they want within the rules. If they ban the sub, so be it, leave the platform and go elsewhere!

/u/JamesColesPardon /u/AssuredlyAThrowAway /u/Ambiguously_Ironic /u/axolotl_peyotl /u/illuminatedwax

Comment? Do you not think this will negatively impact the subreddit?

The threads critical of Trump that reach the #1 spot are almost always brigaded. You will see in the comments people attacking this sub and it's users, which makes it very easy to see they are not from this community.

Implying you can't be critical of this sub and a frequent user of this sub?

Is that how you carry on in life? Never criticize the places you belong to?

Carrying your logic forward, many reddit users - you can see it on the front page of this sub right now- apparently "hate reddit" and attack it constantly..... Are they not "members of this community"? Are they just brigaders now who are just concern trolling? This is an interesting line of argument you openend

Q posts have existed on r/conspiracy especially when they were first breaking. I can't say for sure but I think those early posts pre-date GA. So it makes sense that the refugees would post here now.

Because the mods are pro trump/republican.

But a majority of the users here aren’t.

It happens on both sides. I just got banned from a left wing board for saying something critical of a Trump enemy. Like straight up banned for one criticism. People just can't take any kind of different viewpoint without freaking the fuck out.

Nobody from GA planned to come here.

It wasn't a planned out event to brigade this sub.

It happened because obviously Q linked to a post in the sub.

Now we all get to see what the effects of censorship looks like!

Don't talk about a conspiracy theory in r/conspiracy because we might get banned.

This is how they control the narrative.

We get to see it in real time! Neato!

It happened because obviously Q linked to a post in the sub.

That's the definition of brigading.

Now we all get to see what the effects of censorship looks like!

Which is hilarious considering the mods of this sub censored this post.

Q linked to the post.

That's all.

If people click the link and post comments, that's not some coordinated effort.

Q didn't instruct anyone to do anything with his post.

But a majority of the users here aren’t.

I think you're kinda tweakin out on this one. Didn't really make sense

The insurance, cops, local boards, lawyers, etc all working for those buying out the entire neighborhood around me so only their people move in and run the town. Then all of a sudden a drunk guy comes in to start shit, sounds like a psy OP to get me out

It happened because obviously Q linked to a post in the sub.

That's the definition of brigading.

Now we all get to see what the effects of censorship looks like!

Which is hilarious considering the mods of this sub censored this post.