Homeschooling as a truther?
1 2018-09-19 by vegaslilqt
I home school 4 of my kids because the school district hasn't been able to keep them safe. (many long stories). About 3yrs ago a friend opened my eyes with the $20 million dollar club/celebrity sacrifice videos and since then I inhale everything conspiracy related.
Question is my kids are 13, 11, 7 & 6. I wanted to create a curriculum starting with the 13 families, banking system, common signs in media, pedo symbols, etc. My fear is they will become the laughing stock of the neighbor kids and someone will call CPS on their kooky mom. I think it's important for them to realize that society, media, politics isn't want it claims to be. I've tried a couple of topics with my older kids and it opened up hours of conversation (more than any other topic). Do you think it's too early to expose them to to the "truth"?
70 comments
1 cpulub 2018-09-19
Does it make you happy to know the truth?
1 Rayfloyd 2018-09-19
Dunno about you, but I'd rather know so we can address it than let it fester
1 cpulub 2018-09-19
The reason liberals fester.
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1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Well it certainly put a downer on our trip to Disney World. I think for me it satisfied that - something isn't right - gut feeling.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-09-19
So long as you couch the conversation in “you, child, still gotta work” and not let em think they can drop out and not suffer
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Absolutely! They still put in the hours, I just thought it would make for an interesting elective.
1 WarSanchez 2018-09-19
Teach them useful skills like cooking, auto repair, money management, self sustainability.
What's the point of teaching them conspiracy material if you aren't breaking them free of the chains of dependence.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
^ This is exactly what I was hoping to work toward. I thought maybe the why would be a good way to kick it off?
1 WarSanchez 2018-09-19
Just raise them to have a good heart and be independent.
I'm a parent myself, and raising a pup isn't easy, so why complicate their life and relationships with others with heavy material. This is adult material you want to talk to them about.
1 StefanGoerke 2018-09-19
His answer was really good! You can separate your "lessons" between practical subjects, and theoretical subjects.
To me you should teach them literally, how to learn, how to use their critical thinking. Do not be afraid to expose anyone to the truth, of course little bit of HOW to speak and when is a must. BUT NEVER hide what you believe is truth.
So yeah, go deep with em in whanever subject of "conspiracy" you deem important, find good books, read with em. Let 'em also search, and share with you their discoveries! Like, make some quests and let them work together to improve their team skills also!
Be safe my friend =)
1 WeAreTheResistance 2018-09-19
Absolutely it is way to early to expose your kids to any of these awful things you mentioned. I'm kind of speechless that you would want your children to know about these things at such an early age. I don't think's it's the parents job to teach them about your "truths", but more importantly teach them how to critically think all information that's provided to them. I think it's important to teach them that news media, and the government often lie to protect their own interests, and how that is wrong, and telling the truth is always, always the best course of action.
If you teach them how to properly sniff out bullshit, and how to discern the truth in the face of an increasingly untruthful world, then you've done your part. Exposing them to your "truths" at such a young age will absolutely destroy their innocence. They need to find this out on their own, in my opinion.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Of course I would trim it down to age appropriate material, but I'm not seeing the difference between me teaching these topics and the school district teaching forced diversity, transgender topics or the sex ed curriculum that now has a "self love" chapter would do any different to destroy their innocence? Children are their target market and kids are abducted at their ages.
I do want to open the doors for more critical thinking. After spending 2 weeks discussing the Revolutionary War and seeing blank stares as compared to when I discussed that our founding fathers were Freemasons and the symbols we still see today was kind of refreshing.
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1 WeAreTheResistance 2018-09-19
I absolutely commend you for noticing that our public schools are teaching evil, and your pulling them out of that mess. My mother saw the same thing, and pulled me and my brother out at an early age and home schooled us for a time, then placed in a Christian private school.
I wish I had the determination and sticktoitivness to home school my kids, however I can at the moment afford to have them in a private school where they aren't exposed to the evil which you described.
There's definitely room to teach them that there are bad people in this world that might look to harm them, that's important.
At the end of the day, they are your kids, and you have the finally say in what you teach them. As a parent myself, I would just want to keep their innocence as long as possible.
1 Friscalatingduskligh 2018-09-19
Because that stuff is largely factual and you want to teach them here-say you read online.
1 duplexnovella 2018-09-19
After shooting Red pills at my home schooled trio for years I came to the conclusion that if I want them to not rebel, I needed to slow my roll...
Plus as my daughter mentioned once..
"well maybe I'm not ready to care about that just yet"
At the time I was incredulous...
(in hindsight, she was only 14... poor child..lol)
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Haha! Just happened to us at Disney! My 11yr old was looking at old Mouseketeer photos and I explained to her that these were the Britney & Xtina of my mom's time. All she could say was "those poor girls."
1 IDebunkFE_AMA 2018-09-19
Two problems here... How would an 11 year old know who Britney and Xtina are? I know they are recent to you and me but they arent exactly as in the limelight anymore, your 11 year old has never known them to be superstars.
Also if you are so into keeping your kids away from societal conditioning why do they watch so much TV?
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Of course they know who both of them are, they are still pop stars with at least 20+ years of career behind them. Also, both were Mouseketeers which is what we were discussing. I don't keep them away from social conditioning, I let them experience everything that their peers do. I just want to make them aware of what is being pushed at them.
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Homeschooling is child abuse imo. Teach your kids to think, but don't deny them a chance to grow up with their peers.
1 KickedinTheDick 2018-09-19
Congrats, you've fallen for the nanny state garbage.
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Nah. I've known home schooled people, they're socially incompetent.
1 KickedinTheDick 2018-09-19
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Nah.
1 Doesntmatteranymore1 2018-09-19
Great argument!
1 IDebunkFE_AMA 2018-09-19
Not incompetent just weird... I know plenty of smart homeschool kids from when I was younger but I saw maybe a handful of them in college and they were all wacky as shit.
1 2djinnandtonics 2018-09-19
That’s probably because their parents were nuts.
1 Friscalatingduskligh 2018-09-19
Yeah it’s less nanny like to hold your kids at home all day and make sure they’re only exposed to your particular feelings rather than getting a robust education from various professional educators with different points of view.
1 KickedinTheDick 2018-09-19
That's the propaganda. You immediately assume that's what I want from home schooling. There's a right and a wrong way to go about it. Do you honestly think public schools are the only place someone can attain that?
1 Friscalatingduskligh 2018-09-19
Regardless of how you go about it, you’re filtering their education through what you deem to be acceptable to them. In a school that will be done by various people with different points of view.
1 WeAreTheResistance 2018-09-19
It's definitely not for everyone. My mother tried, and failed. It was the most terrible experience for me, for just that reason, I couldn't socialize with my peers.
I wouldn't call it child abuse though. Most states require homeschoolers to take efficiency tests to ensure they're being at least taught the basics to weed out parents who aren't doing the basic job.
At the end of the day, our kids belong to us, and we as free people have every right to decide which course of schooling is best for us and our children.
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Chd abuse because you're sheltering your kids from their peers to the point they'll likely have lifelong problems socializing. As far as the education content in the public system that's secondary to the social skills kids learn.
1 WestCoastHippy 2018-09-19
Sending kids away from parents for the day is child abuse
1 FORKinmyDICK 2018-09-19
100% agree. I literally cannot grasp how anyone else can think otherwise. It's selfish and harmful - I wonder how hard it is for the average home schooled guy to get a girlfriend let alone a date - you're depriving them of the socialization that leads us to know how to act around people in our society. I swear at that point you're NURTURING autism.
"I get a lesson plan and I just teach my son!" - oh...didn't realize because you're a parent you got a degree in teaching all of the subjects you learn in school.
"I bring them to the park so they can socialize still, and they have play dates!!" - so you schedule and organize their fun instead of allowing them to make friends, plans, and fun organically.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Isn't this exactly what the school system teaches? Forced socialization.
My teachers might have been great at teaching Algebra but without the answer key they were a bumbling idiot. Do you really think that teachers magically create their lesson plans? No, they're bought an paid for by the district who decides what your kids learn.
1 FORKinmyDICK 2018-09-19
Right so you don't want advice or opinions because clearly you're an expert. Good luck with your kids.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Homeschooling is child abuse?!!? As opposed to having my son beaten & strangled by a fellow student? Or my daughter groped and teased because she was an early developer? Yeah . . . I think they can live without that social interaction. Failing to see where the child abuse from staying home in a loving, learning environment fits in?
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Yeah, because the real world isn't a loving, learning environment. Sheltering your kids isn't doing them any favors.
1 squidbelik 2018-09-19
...How long are you going to shelter them from real life? This shit can happen anywhere, and not just at school. These kids are going to grow up with no clue on how to interact in society and will be outed just for that.
1 RMFN 2018-09-19
Homeschooling is based. The Pavlovian conditioning in public schools is not education. It's indoctrination.
1 elcad 2018-09-19
Wait you homeschool and want to teach your kids about conspiracies, but you take them to Disney World?
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-09-19
The root of education is to lead, not to teach.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Someone who understands, thank you!
1 Estamio2 2018-09-19
Lifesaving and water-safety, auto mechanics, money and if in the USA, Spanish language.
I agree with others here that the subject is adult material. Did you let them believe in Santa Claus? Whether-or-not you did, it is an indicator that the child will choose themselves when they are ready for "the truth".
Same for adults; one snaps-out-of-it when they are ready. Make or buy all your kids green goggles. Wear them while suggesting they live "in an Emerald City". Don't you believe??
1 Stargrl85 2018-09-19
Both of my parents were conspiracy theorists and preppers. From an early age we were taught to always look beyond what you are told and to keep looking for the truth. My father was more, shall I say radical then my mother and has never trusted a word the government has said. He was the most instrumental in making sure we were taught survival skills, reading between the lines of dialog your given and so on and so forth. I personally have no regrets to how I was raised and do not feel like my childhood was stolen ect. I appreciate my parents for teaching me to always be vigilant and to find the truth so to speak. My father always says that it's never to early to gain knowledge and that knowledge is power that nobody can take away. This is just my opinion though.
1 Only-Says-F 2018-09-19
What you are doing to your children in a modern society is akin to child abuse, by homeschooling them you are setting them up for years of unnecessary hardship & difficulties.
You do realize they won't be well enough equipped to deal with 90% of the adult world around them when they are out of the home and by themselves don't you? Look at what the Mormons, the Amish do, that's a version of what you're doing, those poor kids.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
So I should let them be abused by complete strangers that I'm telling them that it's okay to trust? How is homeschooling child abuse? Because they're learning in a loving environment that encourages creative thinking? How are my kids not equipped to deal with the outside world? Because they don't sit for 8hrs taking a test that no one will ever ask you about in the adult world? Guess I missed something.
1 Only-Says-F 2018-09-19
Nowhere in my comment did I tell you to let them be abused by strangers.
The school systems are far from perfect, the pupils and teachers both are also far from perfect. But there are valuable lessons to be learnt through the school years that if they don't, leaves them far far behind their counterparts if you or they have any hope for a somewhat normal life in this society.
Sometimes those lessons come from bad situations, from being on the receiving end of someone else's bad mood or hatred. Having the teacher pick on you or exclude you for unfair reasons.
It is not impossible to let your children have those school years and time in school, while also imparting your personal lessons at home. Giving them the best of both worlds so to speak, while also letting them see some of the bad in the world.
1 JohnStumpyPepys 2018-09-19
They're too young for all of that to be thrown at them at once. Give them a chance to be kids. If you want to mention something here and there it's fine but a curriculum is overboard.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
I think you misinterpreted my meaning of curriculum. I was thinking more along the lines of an elective that would push into other topics that we were already discussing.
1 JohnStumpyPepys 2018-09-19
I just think they're too young and aren't ready at that age to properly put that kind of information in perspective. The whole ball of wax might even have negative psychological effects on them.
A little here and there is fine. Say maybe, "well a lobbyist is a person who's job it is to bribe Congress for corporations". Stuff like that. Just my opinion of course.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Exactly! That's the beauty of home learning is that I can taper it to their ages or comprehension. They won't have to be pressured to digest it just to pass a test.
1 RedrixWillKillMe 2018-09-19
Yup. Basically your kids are going to be made fun of constantly. Not exactly the best way to live.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
Why is that? It's not like they're going to run around spouting "9-11 was an inside job!" at the next play date.
1 zadsar 2018-09-19
Maybe it will be because they believe retarded conspiracy theories?
1 187ninjuh 2018-09-19
OP please don't do this to your children. Let them learn official history first, and then come to their own conclusions. What you are suggesting is the functional equivalent of forcing religion onto them. You may have seen enough to "believe" in all the conspiracy theories but that is no different than someone "believing" in a sky father that wants your money.
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
What exactly is "official history" ? I guess it's based on the backer of who produces the text books. I don't believe, I question, and that's what I'm hoping my kids will be able to do for themselves in the future.
1 187ninjuh 2018-09-19
And what about when your kids grow up and start to question the narrative you fed them? What if you become "an agent of the cabal" (or its equivalent) in their worldview? You are right to question everything... and you should question whether the conspiracy content you "inhale" is accurate or just another lie. You say that you've been doing this for 3 years... well, take it from someone who's been doing it for 15, many many many people will take you for a ride.
Might I suggest combining the two curriculums? "Here is what is taught about history in schools. Here is an alternative reading of the causes and purposes of those events. Here are quality sources for both. Not websites. Not youtube videos. Books written by quality researchers with cited sources".
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
This was my original plan, adding this in as more of an elective to push into other subjects that we were also learning. It's not like I was gonna chop the globe in half and force them to recite who the the Earth is flat. haha!
1 187ninjuh 2018-09-19
Just try not to fuck them up too much. Unlike many others in the thread, I am not against homeschooling - but remember that most conspiracy content online is designed to get $$$CLICKS$$$ and is mostly exaggerated and misinterpreted as such. It's like chinese telephone, only you get paid in clicks and likes and patreon subscriptions if you distort the message enough to prey on peoples lack of power in this world and their sense that it is stacked against them (because it is).
In closing, I will suggest adding Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy to the literature reading list for the older ones. It's a cult classic of the 70s counterculture (and modern conspiracy theory is an outgrowth of that counterculture).
Even if you don't add it to their reading list, you should check it out... that book changed my (and many other conspiracy theorists) worldview forever. Also made me an optimist!
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1 FORKinmyDICK 2018-09-19
Please don't ruin your kids - thats way too fucking young let them figure it out themselves. Just raise them to be good people and don't lie to them about the world.
1 lemme-explain 2018-09-19
Stick to a standard curriculum with their schooling. They'll pick up the conspiracy stuff on the side just from living with you, and they'll be less hostile towards it if they understand it as your personal beliefs outside of the rubric of education.
1 action_turtle 2018-09-19
If you must do this, teach them the ‘normal stuff’ before anything else. They need to go out into the ‘normal’ world, that’s what’s important. Conspiracy can be a side project that opens the mind, but it won’t get them a job
1 venCiere 2018-09-19
It may be overwhelming to realize they face such evil. You will have to be very calm and hopeful as you bring up simple things like media bias. I remember parents commenting kids were learning from pewdie pie (?) that the media was deceptive. That may be a less threatening way to expose it, from their own age group.
1 TurtleTrainerUS 2018-09-19
youre a fucking idiot. simple as that.
1 MisterSecretDragon 2018-09-19
After scouring the internet and dark web I have yet to find this legendary video people speak of. We have videos of UFO's everywhere, so why is a video of celebrities sacrificing people so hard to find? Or is this just the conspiracy that a lot of celebrities have had family members die. Like every human being alive. Or are all your relatives immortal, and where can I get this immortality?
I hope I'm not condescending, I'm just skeptical. I'm skeptical of the governments story on 9/11 because I have friends who heard bombs.
1 zadsar 2018-09-19
No. Don't do that.
1 StefanGoerke 2018-09-19
Your topic really was brigated by shills
1 rodental 2018-09-19
Nah.
1 IDebunkFE_AMA 2018-09-19
Two problems here... How would an 11 year old know who Britney and Xtina are? I know they are recent to you and me but they arent exactly as in the limelight anymore, your 11 year old has never known them to be superstars.
Also if you are so into keeping your kids away from societal conditioning why do they watch so much TV?
1 vegaslilqt 2018-09-19
What exactly is "official history" ? I guess it's based on the backer of who produces the text books. I don't believe, I question, and that's what I'm hoping my kids will be able to do for themselves in the future.