OP, Science isn't a religion, why do you think it is.

Here is the major difference,

religion promotes absolutes with little or no evidence except faith.

science looks for evidence and will change when new evidence is uncovered.

I disagree, it is people who are religious propagandists who have declared Science to be a religion.

You are missing my point entirely. Big Bang is a theory, not doctrinal.

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You can't prove creation, and consider it to be an absolute truth and I am saying, Big Bang is a current theory, that will be adjusted as more knowledge is gained while creationism must stand on belief only.

Big bang is taught in school as "this is how we got here and you are a weirdo if you don't believe this theory as truth."

I wasn't, I will ask some high schooners I know, but thanks.

This question isn't asked in good faith since the answer is literally 5 seconds away via search engine. Stop trolling.

The universe is not only expanding but expanding at an increasing rate. (Big Bang theory) theory being the key word.

Creationism says it happened over 7 days and is unchanged since.

I'll take the scientific theory over religious absolutes.

The Big Bang theory doesn't even suggest that the universe "started in one point." Seriously dude, educate yourself before talking about this stuff.

Educate yourself: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

"a text"

It's two images. You're still trolling but in case anyone else is actually interested: the Big Bang was not "an explosion" originating from "one point." Explosions are more dense toward their center and more diffuse toward their edge. The observable universe is isotropic at the largest scales.

Yes. You’re a big boy, you can read on your own.

1. you didn't even look at the link, if you did you would see that it's a single page which you could read in 2 minutes.

2. Why are you upset that someone is providing a well put together explanation instead of retyping it into a Reddit comment? Are you annoyed that you have to read in general? It's actually hilarious that you would ask for evidence then get irritated when its provided.

The Big Bang theory doesn't even suggest that the universe "started in one point." Seriously dude, educate yourself before talking about this stuff.

This is what u/richard_golbes said, then you followed by asking what it does says. So he posted a link that offers clear and concise explanation to your question, which you refused to read

I think the physicists know more about all that than I do, and I lean to their theories over religious myths. But really this is not an issue I worry about on a daily or even annual basis.

A myth has no basis in reality. Big Bang Theory has tons of evidence for it. You can't just hand wave away the fact that expansion has been accelerating at a constant rate.

We observe the effects of the big bang. Cosmic radiation, rapid expansion, etc.

The the Astrophysicists. It is an actual Science.

It continues, so yes.

http://www.exploratorium.edu/origins/cern/ideas/bang.html

You brought creationism to this table in your post and in your comments:

from the post:

And how did the world come to be? When understood it this way the theories that attempt to define the world around us, specifically evolution and the big Bang Theory are nothing more than modern day creation myths.

your earlier comment to me.

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Lol, look at the stricture of the two fundamental pillars of modern science, the big bang and evolution, they are creation myths. Prove me wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background

how this is related to the big bang

The CMB was a theoretical prediction of cosmic inflation in an isotropic universe before its actual detection.

You do realize that a Catholic priest formulated the theory

I'm very curious to see why you think this is a relevant point. Do you think you can distract me with ludicrous non-sequiturs?

And 'round and 'round we go.

You're the one who's bringing in the "started at one point" nonsense. Stop trolling.

He's not trolling here. Expansion could be explained by the first half of a toroidal flow.

could be explained by the first half of a toroidal flow

Spirit Science?

You used a misogynistic term to demean me in a discussion. You are a fraud and cannot be trusted.

Why do you call OP for trolling? I'm not going to report, but you deserve it.

This subject IMO is at the root of most of taxation/tithe/government expense right now. We are slaves to scientific theory and are forced to tithe by way of tax and vax- without proof that we are improving a damned thing!!! And the people making money on the myth just keep on holding you as as slave.

May as well throw virgins in a volcano to ensure next years bumper crop.

You're hysterical.

I'm calling him out for trolling because he's amusing himself by feigning ignorance /equivocating on select details in order to provoke and frustrate people making an honest attempt to respond to his posts.

It's an ongoing pattern with this particular user. The fact that he has positive comment karma is a much bigger mystery than the origins of life or the universe.

You're hysterical.

You realize that is a completely misogynistic way to dismiss a xer in order to gaslight their way to "winning" an argument?

I'm absolutely certain that you know this and I kindly ask you to keep my hysteria causing uterus out of this.

Speaking of trolling...

What do you mean by that? I'm here trying to discuss the similarities between "Science" and "Religion" and you used a misogynistic slur against me.

Your trolling needs work. You should know better than to have your SJW parody transphobically imply that a uterus is a prerequisite for misogynistic targeting. I give you a C minus.

Your forum sliding deserves an A+ You're ability to address a topic without cowering and using a slur - a hard D-

You do realize that a Catholic priest formulated the theory?

Yes, and how is that relevant at all? Many, many scientists throughout history have been religious (it was very common). That doesn't mean they weren't investigating the world through an empirical lens.

Glad you agree.

Oh, you don't know the difference between a proposed theory and a myth, got it.

I wasn't here in the beginning, were you?

You seem to believe you have all the answers.

I said I didn't know. Are you claiming you do know?

I can't help it if you don't know the difference between a creation myth and a Scientific based theory. That doesn't mean all theories are correct it only means there is some basis or reason based on observations versus Myths which impose an explanation on events that are nor or were not understood.

I think what you are trying to do is convince me that a creation myth and a Scientific theory have the same value.

That isn't the only theory on the origins of the universe and the key word being theory, which automatically means, subject to adjustment as additional knowledge is gained.

And I have to admit, I do not have enough understanding of physics to argue for or against any of the theories.

But I wonder why you dismiss them without consideration, remember they are theories, not Religious teachings that require belief to be an adherent.

Big Bang is a theory, yes,

Are you suggesting that Creationism is also a scientific theory?

Does that make sense when Creationism is actual hard line doctrine among some, not all, religious adherents.

I did not call Big Bang a creation myth, you did. I said it is a theory.

One has to really wonder whether you're just making yourself that stupid, or if you really are that stupid.

I usually just assume it's the latter with most people.

RMFN is notorious for this shit. His grasp of logical thinking is tenuous at best

The microwave background radiation interference picked up by Bell Labs in like the 40s is a good bit of evidence.

What do you consider empirical?

I'll tackle evolution.

1. The fact that every living creature is related to every other living being by varying degrees. Humans and other apes are probably the most obvious example, but it's also a fact that crocodiles are more closely related to birds than they are to snakes and lizards.

2. Certain animal families do not appear at all until a specific time in the fossil record - birds don't appear until the Jurassic period, and there are no mammals or reptiles in the Devonian and Silurian.

3. Vestigial features like hindleg bones in whales and tailbones in humans.

4. Antibiotic resistance in bacteria

5. Human hair and reptile scales come from roughly the same set of genetic material

He is saying the way science's ideas are being handled, by a mostly ignorant populace, where they hold up "sciency" ideas they pick up from wherever, and use them to manipulate and judge others... It starts to resemble faith. And I don't think he's really wrong.

Next time someone uses some popscience idea to push a viewpoint, politely explore their understanding of the actual science behind it. My experience has been that they are mostly just parroting ideas that are convenient to their worldviews, with little or no actual understanding. And while I am a scientist, I'm sure I have been guilty of this myself on occasion.

"scientists" are the new priest class. And then you got shit like this that certainly does not help :

https://www.jove.com/blog/editors-notes/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening/

In the big bang a failure to account for the possibility of a infinite universe leaves the realm of "empty space" beyond what our current telescopes can detect

Nonsense. From a naturalistic standpoint, phenomenon occurring outside of the observable universe are beyond the purview of science since they literally have no effect on us. This is a philosophical question at best.

the theory of evolution betting on chance and lightning to form the first rna structures or preorganisms. To get around this they begin to use the claim that a meteor with some bacteria on it seeded life on earth. .

Oh boy...Abiogenesis, or the origins of life, is NOT addressed by the theory of evolution which deals with biological descent and modification. Some researchers discuss the possibility of biological seeding from other planetary bodies, but this doesn't actually address the central problem of the origins of self-replicating, organic molecules. You are very confused.

You're identifying a problem with our education system, not the work of scientists or their conclusions.

Are you apart of the TMoR brigade that X-posted?

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9i0v8s/why_scientism/e6g7eo4

You are embarrassingly ignorant.

Your go to response when provided with actual objective facts that counter your word- salad Qultist nonsense is to claim he's brigading?

Jesus Christ man, just stop. Please.

My mom is black. My dad is half Hispanic. You just called me ignorant.

Racist confirmed, you useless piece of shit.

You seem smart

Very legit reasonable response.

Do don't even know how to take that. It's gotta be satire. Or low hanging fruit.

Scientism? with all the existential and nihilistic propaganda moving around, I would say people only worship themselves... there is rampant narcissism everywhere and people are taught to seek validation and look out for themselves at all costs. If you look at it from a spiritual point of view, you could say that the values that society defends can be related to satanism.

The people in the elites don't shy away from it either, there is a lot of dark occultism and symbols everywhere in the media...

Scientism? with all the existential and nihilistic propaganda moving around, I would say people only worship themselves... there is rampant narcissism everywhere and people are taught to seek validation and look out for themselves at all costs. If you look at it from a spiritual point of view, you could say that the values that society defends can be related to satanism.

The people in the elites don't shy away from it either, there is a lot of dark occultism and symbols everywhere in the media...

About that, make sure to take a look at this post of mine dude: https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/9i26tz/modern_society_exposes_people_to_violence_all_the/?

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So, more like LeVeyin Satanism?

I call it Victorianism - this belief that we are so above nature that we can control it by measuring it. It is narcissism at it's highest form.

I see. Make sure to take a look at this post of mine:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9i1yrq/modern_society_exposes_people_to_violence_all_the/?

Because they have nothing else of importance in their life and this grants them a veil of imaginary power?
Just like children acting up for attention, ignore it completely.

TMOR linking to your post doesn’t mean it’s getting brigaded. Maybe it’s just a dumb post. Chicken Little syndrome 24/7.

I mean yeah. I mean yeah I wholeheartedly believe in science. But you didn’t use any hate speech or break any Reddit rules and it’s your post so can’t really downvote your comments cause it’s contributing to your own discussion, so no need to get involved otherwise on my part.

Considering how your major argument is "nobody saw the big bang happen", yes, this is a dumb post. By your logic, how do we know microwaves are real? If you actually think nothing can be proven unless we visually see it with our eyes, you can disbelieve anything. How do we know microwaves aren't science fiction? Can you see them heating up your food? For all we know microwave ovens use magic

Do you know what empirical evidence is?

No

The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe[1] from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution.[2][3][4] The model describes how the universe expanded from a very high-density and high-temperature state,[5][6] and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic microwave background (CMB), large scale structure and Hubble's law.[7]

If you have evidence against the Big Bang feel free to present it

That's not what he asked though.

I have always had this dilemma, OP. There are some things that can be measured, described and explained by science, but it truly is only that. A tool to help explain the world around us if you take a ton of salt with the explanation- it is modern mythology. It requires the same suspension of disbelief and the same leap of faith that religion requires. And it requires tithe in the exact same fashion as well.

Scientism? with all the existential and nihilistic propaganda moving around, I would say people only worship themselves... there is rampant narcissism everywhere and people are taught to seek validation and look out for themselves at all costs. If you look at it from a spiritual point of view, you could say that the values that society defends can be related to satanism.

The people in the elites don't shy away from it either, there is a lot of dark occultism and symbols everywhere in the media...

mmmmmmmmmmmm..

I welcome the death of religion as it currently is. It is the source of all division and strife. These institutions preach live and inclusion but they only serve to divide and diminish others that do not carry the torch of faith.

However your statement that science is a new religion is not true. Yes it is changing as new theories are tested with new observations and new measured or extrapolated data, science defines reality through real understanding of the universe.

As it was pointed out elsewhere the problem is that many people do not understand what is proven observed fact and unproven theory. This gives charlatans the room to poke holes and inject distrust. In that it is similar to a religion, by crooks that take advantage of the unlearned and ignorant.

But what is different with the scientific method and faith is that we can observe and ultimately prove theories to understand our universe. Religion will never ever do that.

Sorry for the rambling stream of consciousness.

OP. This guy called me hysterical.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9i0v8s/why_scientism/e6g7eo4

And he's a social justice warrior scientist or something:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9i0v8s/why_scientism/e6g7eo4

Another thought, OP, in light of the weird NM observatory closure last week- observatories are similar to chapels if we are going with our theory that Science = Religion.

So, what happened in the Science community last week that required a Fed shut down????

Pedo stuff related to a guy who worked at the observatory and whose dad controls pretty much all the internet lines in the area.

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.

Nikola Tesla

evolution...nothing more than modern day creation myths

You say this because...?

betting on chance and lightning to form the first RNA structures or preorganisms

So you're uninformed about this, but felt the need to mouth off about it. As someone who actually understands what evolutionary theory is, lemme help you out a little.

That quote I pulled from the OP? It has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is the diversification of preexisting organisms into other organisms - it does not give a flying fuck about how the first organisms came to exist. You're wondering about abiogenesis, which is a completely separate topic.

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Gotcha. Ty, Automod!

We observe the effects of the big bang. Cosmic radiation, rapid expansion, etc.