If you are actually dumb enough to believe in psychics there is no help for you.

Thank you there are sane people left here.....

is it a requirement to believe in every ridiculous nonsensical conspiracy theory in order to post here? I mean seriously

That is exactly what I am thinking about too...

I mean the top mods thinks so

Tell that to the US government, what do you think remote viewing is?

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by Trump.

But govt remote viewing goes back to at least the 60s.

It's more like the flu, nothing will stay static in the USA which is sometimes bad and other times good.

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by obama.

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by Bush.

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by clinton.

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by the first Bush.

"Remote viewing" was something in which research was done by the U S. government for a few years in the 1990s, and the report they issued explicitly said they gained no knowledge from it. How do you take that as boosting its credibility? It does the exact opposite.

Yeah because the government has a stellar record of reporting honestly on a myriad of topics.

In terms of science and pseudoscience, I'll take the creator of the internet and nuclear weapons over people claiming to have fantastical abilities, thanks.

You do whatever you like, did you know Orville wright's father stood in the crowd and shouted "it will never fly Orville". Everything seems fantastical until someone does it.

People have been making these claims since the beginning of time. And they've never once held up to an iota of scrutiny.

Well god hasn't shown up yet either, people believe all kinds of things, I never asked you to believe anything you don't want to nor will I ever ask you that.

Have you ever done remote viewing? I've actually done it, and it's legit. You can regurgitate some report, but remote viewing is real and not so hard to do at a novice level.

"Research was done" is such a massive understatement that it feels more like a lie. Project Stargate started in the 70s and was officially ended in the 90s, though most involved are certain it was unofficially continued. The government developed the remote viewing protocols, with the help of legitimate psychics, like Ingo Swann.

For some reason, people on a conspiracy sub want you to believe in the high school jock version of reality. Waiting for the "Psychics are stupid, dude" or "the report said it was gay" posts.

You're very naive, small-minded. Calling people dumb.. Oh you're missing out on the world.

But you do you. Whatever floats your boat. But you're just hurting yourself calling people dumb.

Not really. People who are dumb enough to be duped by Snake-Oil Salesmen are dumb. Or at least naive.

That's not really up for debate.

But hey, feel free to waste your money.

Again you're very naive too. Yes people are naive & will be duped by Snake-Oil Salesmen. I'm not trying to debate you on that? Enjoy your little world, and whatever you waste your money on.

Oh god, the irony of that post, haha.

Yeah, bye.

Some people just don't have the capacity. Or can't seem to 'unlock' whatever is locked.

Bye bye have a great day!

There it is.

Frequencies. Consciousness. Expand your thinking.

"There it is" -- Great response/s from you!

I used to believe ignorance was bliss but believe me it's not, so I hope you'll be able to expand your mind one day. Meanwhile enjoy the roads ahead. Best of luck!

Please stop.

Turn on the TV? Ha ha. Bye

Please stop.

Snake oil has very real effects and I think it's naive and narrow minded for you to think otherwise but you do you /s

So maybe you've never researched remote viewing and actual psychics our government employed (Ingo Swann, Ed Dames, etc). If you are referring to made for TV psychics, your post might not be so off. But don't let real government programs (or reality) interfere with you making fun of others.

Please stop, you absolute idiot

Psychic like know the future and see it in their head? Likely all bullshit.

However, I have evidence that ripples or waves appear, and if you could both identify and comprehend the waves, you would be able to predict the future. You wouldn't see anything, all you are actually monitoring is the wave caused by impact event.

Liars are liars. Conmen exist in every field. I think a broader idea of psychic phenomena is required than theatrical shows that talk to the dead.

There is much evidence for perception other than the 5 senses. I don't think it's helpful to turn a big subject into a dualistic right/wrong dichotomy.

Physics isn't "wrong" because an individual lied or got it wrong.

How many senses do you think you have? https://bigthink.com/think-you-have-only-5-senses-its-actually-a-lot-more-than-that-2604515512.amp.html

Added to that we view and sense in the main through a very limited letterbox the unlimited world.

Science has yet to catch up with biology.

it can be limited in its perception, though.

I think you have misdirected blame -- your real problem is with liars and frauds, not psychics. You can find liars and frauds anywhere you look, but just because you've shown one person to be a liar doesn't allow you to conclude that therefore anyone/everyone else is. I get it - you believe all psychics are liars, but I wonder if you're simply choosing to ignore the genuinely unexplainable examples of psychic abilities in favor of the low-hanging fruit.

How do you determine if a psychic is genuine, and not a lucky fraud?

Measure success against a control, e.g. your own predictions. If they are a fraud their luck will soon run out.

So you'd need to personally go around checking the success history of each one?

If they keep asking for huge amounts of money on top of what you already discussed, they’re probably a fraud.

Seems counterintuitive. Wouldn’t the best psychics be rich and powerful, using their power to amass great wealth?

No, because that’s not really the realm of how psychic phenomena works. Psychic “powers” (I really don’t like calling them that) are much more in the realm of spiritual and emotional information. They deal with the non-material. Some people think psychics are all about dealing in hard facts and picking up lotto numbers and stuff like that, but this just isn’t the case. Those tend to be the psychics who are scamming you, the ones who claim to be able to get you great wealth and power. Psychic development is a spiritual practice more than anything. It’s not like psychic info is a magic fix for anything, it is just another avenue of gaining some wisdom and perspective.

That said, a lot of psychics also work as astrologers. Astrology isn’t necessarily a psychic field, but there are a lot of people who practice both. And astrology definitely has a long history of very wealthy and successful people using it to make the right decisions so that they can become rich and powerful. JP Morgan famously used astrologers. As did Ronald and Nancy Reagan. I’ve also heard (haven’t confirmed) that Apple releases their products on astrologically-advantageous dates. Run a couple internet searches for “billionaires and astrology”, it’s a really interesting avenue of inquiry.

I'm not sure that question has an answer... I mean, how would you determine if you yourself were psychic vs. just a really lucky guesser? Are you familiar with cold reading and hot reading? These are basically tools for successfully lying. I would say that if an alleged psychic is employing those techniques, especially hot reading (obviously), then that's a red flag. But you have to look at the examples where information is provided by the psychic that cannot be explained by either technique.

So for an anecdotal example, I went to see a psychic once and she was very accurate and specific. She did all of the talking, did not ask vague or probing questions as per cold-reading. I had brought a picture of my family for her to 'read' and she specifically said about my mother that her wrists hurt her and that it was psychological because she was stressed about having to handle more than her fair share of the housework such as vacuuming. Now this was 100% true, even to the point of my mother asking me to vacuum because of her wrist pain. Lucky guesses? My mother never saw a doctor about this, there were no medical records, never posted on social media about it (this was in 2000 anyway), etc; there was just no explainable way for her to have known or guessed this from my body language.

Saying your mother suffered from wrist pain due to vacuuming is actually very vague and an easy guess.

1. Old people suffer from joint pain.

2. Women from previous generations typically did the overwhelming majority of house work

Put those together and I bet if you asked the average women of that age, they'd claim the same.

You're being ridiculous -- "an easy guess"...no way. First of all, how do you know how old my mother is? Are you psychic? In 2000 she was 45 years old, and quite healthy I might add - hardly elderly. Secondly, the wrist is a very specific body part to guess, so is vacuuming out of all possible household chores to pick from. And third, this psychic basically repeated word for word what my mother had said to me earlier that very week about feeling stressed and overwhelmed and needing help with said chores because of the pain. That's not an "easy guess"-- it's three specific statements combined and highly improbably to be coincidental.

So for an anecdotal example, I went to see a psychic once and she was very accurate and specific. She did all of the talking, did not ask vague or probing questions as per cold-reading. I had brought a picture of my family for her to 'read' and she specifically said about my mother that her wrists hurt her and that it was psychological because she was stressed about having to handle more than her fair share of the housework such as vacuuming. Now this was 100% true, even to the point of my mother asking me to vacuum because of her wrist pain. Lucky guesses? My mother never saw a doctor about this, there were no medical records, never posted on social media about it (this was in 2000 anyway), etc; there was just no explainable way for her to have known or guessed this from my body language.

This is impossible to explain how she could have been a fraud without a recording or even a transcript, but there are a couple of techniques cold readers use that would be applicable in the situation you describe.

You say you did little talking, but talking isn't the only way we communicate. A good cold reader is adept at reading body language and flickering facial expressions. As the reader speaks, she sees that her client appears to be expressing disappointment or skepticism, she knows that what she's missing the mark, and she abandons whatever it was she talking about. Some people will nod or shake their heads, while not remembering doing so, but it doesn't even have to be that obvious. It could be that client narrows her eyes when the psychic is off and widens them when the psychic is on, or leans forwards toward the psychic when something sounds right. So, if the client appears to be expressing excitement or surprise, she knows that she's barking up the right tree, and she keeps pursuing the line of thought she's on, honing in.

Your psychic did all the talking--a lot of talking? Was she shotgunning? Was she suggesting many possibilities while watching for your cues? Lots of people will come away from a psychic very pleased that the psychic had correctly guessed, let's say, their father's name. But a recording or transcript will show that the psychic suggested many other names before arriving at the right one. (Other people will helpfully tell the psychic themselves--"Was your father's name John or Joseph, James..." "Gerald!" "Gerald, yes! He was telling me his name began with a J sound..." And the reader won't remember doing so. I know this doesn't apply to your situation though.)

And then you can't discount hot reading completely. Before psychics could research their clients online, they kept notes, often on index cards, which they guarded from their rivals but shared with their partners and friends. So if Psychic A learned anything about a new client via cold reading, she could give (or sell) that info to Psychic B. and if that client then went to Psychic B, Psychic B would knock that client's socks off without even having to resort to cold reading.

Referrals as well...if one client, impressed by a psychic, wants to send a friend in, she might just tell that psychic more about her friend than she thinks she did.

If they say they are a Psychic, they are lying.

If they tell you they talk to the dead...

this shit is common sense. (not so common though)

You can believe in psychics, this don't make em real.

The CIA spent millions training people with tele abilities. The reality of psychic phenomena is common sense. Making assumptions without knowing the complete picture doesnt make you correct.

You assume that because the CIA threw funding at it that makes it legitimate. The CIA has hundreds of documents on UFOs and flying saucers, doesn't make aliens real.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that psychic phenomena and aliens are fake, I'm simply pointing out that you also make a pretty strong assumption without fully understanding the bigger picture.

And no, I do not claim to understand the bigger picture, I truly do not know whether or not psychics are legitimate.

They spent millions on research, to see if it was real... concluded it false.

They also spent money and put in the time to prevent the soviets from having psychonauts first.

Protip: no one has psychonauts or remote viewers.

The CIA spends BILLIONS on cocaine,

The CIA is not the organization you should look to for matters of the mind.

The CIA instituted all the MK programs. MKUltra MKNaiomi MKOften... many more, trauma, drug psychosis, torture, what a fun gang.

Your heroes.

Proven false time and time again when police (try) to use remote viewers to find, and cant find bodies of the living or dead, and much more failures and ZERO success.

"without knowing the complete picture"

I'd say it is you that has a kaleidoscope sunglasses on. You think they were TRAINING people to become (whatever you think they are) and the reality is it was only studied and tested, for years, but turned out zero positive and reproducible results. Same thing on the soviet side.

I don't blame you, it's what you were told.

Men who stare at goats is not a documentary.

Be ahead of nearly 50% of the world population and not believe in ghosts.

But alas the world is a boring place without magic, and the pesky science to disprove it.

Ill leave you with this...

No one, NO ONE, has taken James Randi's 1-million dollars.

derp

Watch shut eye

There are no (zero (0)) "unexplainable examples of psychic abilities"

No one has taken James Randi's million dollars.

Shysters and frauds should be stoned in the street.

If you call yourself a psychic, you are a shyster and a fraud.

Show us one example of "the genuinely unexplainable examples of psychic abilities"

One

ya..

I personally know psychic people who don't advertise themselves as such---they keep it private and among close friends and family. I've also had psychic experiences. We have "inner" senses that can be developed.

There are also a lot of frauds out there that make careers out of it using obvious techniques that makes them appear to be psychic.

Best to develop your own inner senses and not rely on others.

you're weak in the mind.

the people you personally know are low key attention seekers (too embarrassed to be public about the illness they have) but share with a select few.

You yourself are an attention seeker " I've also had psychic experiences." It is called intuition. The body informs the mind with more senses then you are aware (of a given situation) and formulates a storyto fill in the blanks of the unknown. NO spirit of ghost is telling or talking to you. Its YOU.

Stop believing in ghosts and you will be ahead of 1/2 the world population.

I don't think you can let go of thoe "magic" you believe in and are destined to be an emotional little girl/boy for the rest of...

I Believe in the power of human intuition. And I think post internet censorship - that intuition is something we are all going to have to better develop.

yes, they're liars.

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Psychic phenomena is a very real thing. I think everyone has latent psychic abilities that we can all learn to access. It is a skill set like any other, although some people will naturally be much better at it than others. Being psychic is part of being human.

That said, plenty of professional psychics are conmen. And plenty of professional psychics are genuinely gifted people trying to help others, and a session with a real good psychic can be more productive than years of psychotherapy. YMMV. I think it is best if everyone worked to develope their own inner sight.

Have experience?

Do I? Yes.

It is called intuition.

Using your brain.

Or magic pixies as you fagots might like to fall it.

If you believe in paranormality, especially psychics, you're retarded.

Thanks.

Fantastic argument. You showed him.

Made me laugh thanks

you are susceptible to it all as you are weak in the mind to begin with.

They see YOU coming a mile away.

I could cold read you so good you would think I was YOU.

that dont make me a psychic.

stop believing in ghosts and get above more than 1/2 the world population.

Some are just liars, some are good liars with mentalism skills, and some are self deluded.

None are real.

Let me tell you this.

I have never met a true psychic (or a "healer" for that matter) who has felt comfortable calling themselves that, but I have met both psychics and healers. I have met a good amount of charlatans and frauds too.

It seems clear to me from my own experience that it is possible to receive glimpses and visions of both past and future events, springing from the unconscious mind, in dreams, hallucinations, or intuitions, and it also seems clear to me that it is possible to increase our bodies' ability to heal itself by guided attention, either within oneself or within another person (and to cause damage too).

I wouldn't call these things supernatural, but I would call them rare and weakly developed in virtually all people (skills that were potentially simply forgotten about many thousands of years ago). Meditators of the highest degrees have been shown to have such control of their bodies that they can go without eating, drinking, urinating, or shitting for as much as 10 days, while claiming they have been doing this for up to 7 decades.

I have personally made an impossible recovery from a severe spinal chord injury through the help of a genuine healer, who would never ask for money or would call herself a healer.

It's a field that is filled with such hope and potential for people who suffer from illness or hopelessness of another kind, that it's sadly a breeding ground for scam artists and delusional frauds. But that doesn't mean that the phenomena aren't real.

accusing the research team of "cheating" by allowing Jani to gargle and bathe, *and stating that a human of average weight would die after "15 to 20 days" without water. People who avoid food and water to emulate mystical figures often die. Sanal Edamaruku characterized the experiment as a farce *for allowing Jani to *move out of the CCTV cameras' field of view, claiming that video footage showed Jani was allowed to receive devotees and to leave the sealed test room for sunbathing. Edamaruku also said that the gargling and bathing activities were insufficiently monitored.
Edamaruku was denied access to the site where the tests were conducted in both 2003 and 2010, and accuses Jani of having "influential protectors" responsible for denying him permission to inspect the project during its operation, despite having been invited to join the test during a live television broadcast. The Indian Rationalist Association observed that individuals making similar claims in the past have been exposed as frauds.

Yes, that is what I linked to. I assume you mean to imply that I'm ignoring skeptics of this guru's claims and the research done. I am not.

While especially the first study, but also the second could and should have been stricter and more foolproof than they were, there is no reason other than assumptions to believe that cheating did occur. I do agree that these tests should be done more often and more rigorously to understand what is going on. After all, even if he managed to sip a sip here and there while bathing under supervision, it's clear that he shouldn't have been as healthy by the end of the trials as he was with little to no nutrition for sustenance.

And one more point about open mindedness: the reason given in the paragraph you quoted reduces to "it couldn't have been possible because it's impossible". That is a non-sequitor. What's impossible for almost every other person may not be impossible for a specific individual, especially if they have dedicated their lives to proving it possible.

there is no reason other than assumptions to believe that cheating did occur

besides basic biology... as it is stated most people who properly document their journey have being debunked or die.

even if he managed to sip a sip here and there

he could have done much more, you are just excluding the possibility based on your beliefs.

"it couldn't have been possible because it's impossible"

there is no such an argument in the paragraph, he says that "a human of average weight would die after "15 to 20 days" without water" but his argument is not this.
the principal argument is that there is no proof that this man was without water or food for days, that the experiment is flawed by design, and it can't reach the conclusions that are stated by the researchers that were responsible for the study.

I am giving the study the benefit of the doubt. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I believe the claims or endorse the study.

Your objections are fair.

yes

Qanon cough cough

I don't think any psychic stuff is real, but that doesn't make all or most psychics liars. I'm sure many of them believe in their powers, just like a holy man in a religion you don't personally believe in isn't lying.

Theres a lot of cons, cheats, and tricksters in any field of life. This includes psychics. When there is money, there will be greedy people trying to take advantage.

With that said I believe psychic powers are real and that the akashic records and past life experiences can be tapped into.

Which brings me to my next point. I paid over $500, for a past life reading from a very well known credible author (she writes akashic record past life readings) and it absolutely blew my mind and explained many things about my life and preferences. There is more esoteric knowledge within us and in our past lives than we realize. We are truly powerful spiritual beings.

Most are scam/shit/fraud/deluded, but there are genuine exeptions.

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Two good examples..

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The psychic healer with the single best scientific track record/most experiments successfully performed with him:

Dr. Christos Drossinakis from Frankfurt: https://www.heilerschule-drossinakis.de/de/

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One Swiss remote viewer with really high percentage of successful viewings (even found lost airplanes in Ecuadorian jungle or some place over there),

Martin Zoller: http://www.martinzoller.com/

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Unfortunately most of the content you find about these guys is in German, but there is a distinct correlation between German language/people/places and paranormal phenomenons anyway in my opinion.

I hear Dionne Warwick can put you in touch with her "Psychic Friends Network".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGK7FNK5YBI

Could be the real deal, give it a try for only $3.99 per minute.

Then there's always the inimitable Miss Cleo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxopPDMq7rs

She's waiting by the phone to help you, call now.

Well, there you have it, folks! Dionne Warwick and Miss Cleo are hucksters, therefore, there is no such thing as psychic phenomena!

Thanks, u/Dogeholio!

We're done here. Mods, go ahead and close this thread. Doge here has shown us all the light.

Then there's always the inimitable Miss Cleo:

Miss Cleo, or the actress who played her on the commercials, has since passed to the other side. But considering the subject matter, that shouldn't really get in the way of communications!

Dude, I'd totally get a reading from Miss Cleo. That clip sold me on her abilities!

No more so than televangelists or anyone else who abuse trust and hope for profit. They’ve just got a slightly different market than the devoutly religious. That is to say, yes they’re liars.

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I know someone who confirmed targets using the akashic records with confirmed kills and have entered that myself by accident. It's definitely real.

If you actually have to ask yourself that question then there is no hope for you.

A++ would read again. how do i subscribe? please post more non-conspiracy theory shit to /r/conspiracy.

Hey dude, in case you missed the sarcasm..... /s

Would hypnotists fall in same category? I was at a friends bday, and there was a hypnotist show going in, he eventually got some of the ppl to pas out from snap of his finger, crawls, and do random stuff. They were friends of friends, and everyone couldn’t believe it. It was amusing to see though.

Some people just don't have the capacity. Or can't seem to 'unlock' whatever is locked.

Bye bye have a great day!

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by Bush.

The USA is lost. Gave up on that place the minute they got duped by clinton.