Gorsuch didn't matter, because at that time Hillary, Obama, Comey, Brennan, Feinstein, McCabe, No name, Lynch, Schumer, Pelosi, Wasserman-Shultz, the Podestas, Weinstein, all thought they'd get away with their TREASON, corruption, and murders. Kennedy bailed unexpectedly, and there was their OH SHIT MOMENT. All of a sudden "military tribunals" entered everyone's lexicon.

What now?

Military tribunals. Wow. Facism is real scary.

I think that there is no reason to delay the confirmation vote when the allegations appear to be baseless and uncorroborated. I think Ford probably did experience something like what she alleges, which is terrible, but there seems to be no evidence that it was Kavanaugh.

I think they vote tomorrow morning, I wonder if any of the Republicans feel the same way you do? I suppose we will find out soon.

Maybe so. Its definitely a tough situation, and I'm sure we all wish we could just know the truth of the matter. But I feel like they can only on what Ford has said whether she can produce any evidence. Of course the timing of it is certainly suspect as well. Personally, I think I'd just vote to confirm him after hearing what they had to say today.

There is other people to put under oath.

A cloud of suspicion of an undocumented event from 30 years ago.

Personally I think they are trying to jam it thru because they (the GOP) think the "Blue wave" 9s a very good possibility. If this happens there is no way he'll get the confirmation. Instead what would happen is that Trump will be forced to pick a candidate that is less conservative.

Or just less rapey.

Did you listen to her recollection?

Have you heard of the other accusers?

I like the third one the best.

A) represented by skeezy stormy daniels guy

B) uses information from kavanaughs interview from the previous couple nights in her story

C) is 2 years older, and some people suggest she would have been in college... but for some reason going to high school parties where she claimed to know gang rapes were happening. Who goes to parties like that where they know people are getting gang raped and why didn't they go to authorities?

There's more. but I'll stop there.

So surely an FBI investigation of the allegations would show that Avenatti and his clients are not credible. That would be a win/win for Trump. ...so why no investigation?

Easy. The entire stormy daniels ordeal.

A few reasons. First is that if this is allowed to work, then either side will simply use it on any nomination. You can find someone to make a false accusations against anyone if no proof is required. Basically, no nominee on either side will ever get through.

Next, is Democrats don't care at all about abuse or Kavanaugh, they are hoping to take the Senate in the midterms then they won't let anyone get through. So they want to keep this on hold until after the midterms.

Bottom line is the Democrats are acting unhinged. The president gets to choose supreme court justices, it's just that simple. Kavanaugh isn't some insane radical, he's a pretty run of the mill conservative judge as far as his beliefs. There is no reason for the Democrats to acting as though he's the devil.

It's just a lottery, if your party is in power when a court justice steps down, your side gets the pick. That's how it's always been, but suddenly Democrats think this is some new thing.

Now whether or not you like Kavanaugh is a different matter, but nominating him is very standard politics. There should be no issues with him, he passes all the tests.

Bottom line is the Democrats Republicans are acting unhinged. The president gets to choose supreme court justices, it's just that simple. Kavanaugh Garland isn't some insane radical, he's a pretty run of the mill conservative liberal judge as far as his beliefs. There is no reason for the Democrats Republicans to be acting as though he's the devil irrelevant.

Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

One of those examples used the political process that is in place, the other brought up insane allegations that they know are false.

I'm not defending anything, but there is a system in place. If the President's party control the Senate, they get to put the justice of their choice in there. Obama did not have the Senate, so he was blocked. That's just the rules of the system, whether it's wrong or right is another debate. However, going around the system and bringing up obviously false allegations with zero proof is a different thing.

Like I said, putting people in the supreme court is more of a lottery than anything else when it comes to the political parties. If they are in power when a justice dies or retires, they get it. To act as though that's suddenly not how it works is just silly on behalf of the Democrats.

One of those examples used the political process that is in place, the other brought up insane allegations that they know are false.

I'm not defending anything, but there is a system in place. If the President's party control the Senate, they get to put the justice of their choice in there. Obama did not have the Senate, so he was blocked. That's just the rules of the system, whether it's wrong or right is another debate. However, going around the system and bringing up obviously false allegations with zero proof is a different thing.

Like I said, putting people in the supreme court is more of a lottery than anything else when it comes to the political parties. If they are in power when a justice dies or retires, they get it. To act as though that's suddenly not how it works is just silly on behalf of the Democrats.

Well, to be honest... How is this situation different from the Clinton allegations back in the 90's

However, no one is trying to thumb in the term "vast left wing conspiracy" like they did to the Republicans when they brought up three Jane does claiming to be assaulted by Clinton.

History is a funny thing and it's clear that most reddit users were children during his administration or have a skewed view of it.

The circus never ends, only ringleaders even 8 years.

His name was Merrick Garland.

Leaving aside the credible sexual assault allegations, perjury should also be disqualifying for a Supreme Court nominee.

'credible' isn't used like it should be. People now consider emotional appeals credible because they could feel that it was real.

Which is why Fox, CNN, and MSNBC is not arguing the points of the case but the emotional impact and turmoil they were able to glean from Kavanaugh and Ford.

This whole thing makes me a bit sick, facts don't matter anymore.

The president gets to choose supreme court justices.

Only if the Senate is also controlled by the same party as the Presidency. Thank the Republicans for that precedent.

Are the democrats as horribly partisan, machiavellian, and skeezy as the republicans to do what they did to Garland?

Do people who vote democrat even WANT them to act in such a dirty way, even if it benefits their power?

Weve seen that republicans do support that kind of behavior and it honestly makes me a little sick.

Are the democrats as horribly partisan, machiavellian, and skeezy as the republicans to do what they did to Garland?

If I thought Dems invented these allegations out of whole cloth, I'd agree with that. However, what I think happened here was that the Dems used a genuine accusation and weaponized it for maximum political damage, so I don't agree that what they did was as partisan and skeezy, or as precedent setting as what Republicans did to Garland. That's just normal politics. Republicans have no qualms about using any and every sexual impropriety allegation to maximum political benefit. Sheeiiittt, they were still rolling out Juanita Broaddrick yesterday..

Do people who vote democrat even WANT them to act in such a dirty way, even if it benefits their power?

The Dem base are sick and tired of getting shit on by Republicans' dirty tricks, and though I get into arguments all the time with fellow lefties about the need to keep our tactics as pure as possible, it's becoming increasingly the minority side of the argument. Democrats are wanting to fight fire with fire.

Oh im not referring to this at all. When the republicans refused to confirm Garland they had no reason to do it other than tribal obstruction of Obama.

I dont know if Fords allegations are true 100%, but I agree they bear looking into. She seems credible. She was there, they knew each other. If she is an democratic operative this is quite the long con lol

Are the democrats as horribly partisan, machiavellian, and skeezy as the republicans to do what they did to Garland?

As skeezy? Try "even more so."

Republicans successfully delayed a confirmation hearing. Democrats are trying to derail a ongoing confirmation hearing.

What did garland do that was so reprehensible that he could not be approved? Oh they changed the rules out of their ass because it was politically expedient

I hope that does not become precedent. I wouldnt want my team to stoop to something that low

I wouldnt want my team to stoop to something that low

Your team already stooped that low. I take it that it didn't bother you much, as you're still on "that team."

I'm as disappointed as anyone else at the Right's decision to embrace the final provision of the "nuclear option," but I'm hardly surprised, given that Harry Reid and the Democrats did most of the leg-work in that regard.

Im more left than right on most issues and so far the left hasnt done something that blatantly against the rules and traditions of the nation.

"conservative" my ass.

They didnt do it to Gorsuch.

It isn’t about him at this point, it is about stopping a precedent being set that mere allegations, which were intentionally suppressed by Feinstein in a (exclusively and inexcusable) political maneuver, can be used as politics weapon.

The whole thing has nothing to do with the man or his accusers or any interest in either. It is purely a political power struggle.

Had the confirmation been handled properly, we wouldn't even be at this point. The Republicans screwed themselves and Kavanaugh by trying to ram this through instead of following procedure.

huh? Should they wait for an FBI investigation that would ultimately find nothing because there's no evidence?

How are you so sure that the investigation would not find corroborating evidence? And if it did not find any evidence, then that would clear Kavanaugh's name. But by refusing to have an investigation performed, his name is never actually cleared, and there will be a cloud over him for the rest of his life.

If he was actually confident that nothing would be found that would tarnish his good name, then he should be urging the FBI to investigate. Otherwise, it shows pretty clearly that he is hiding something.

Probably the six previous investigationa by the FBI into him. That would be a bit indicative of his history.

You really think the FBI would have looked into his drunken antics in high school/college and would have interviewed others who attended the parties?

It's not like Kavanaugh would have been forthcoming regarding anyone he may have molested while drunk, so unless the victims know there is a background check underway and that they should reach out to the FBI, it would all go under the radar.

Additionally, did you actually believe everything he said in the committee yesterday? Honestly? He was lying, and it was painfully obvious. Even regarding innocuous things that wouldn't be held against him if he was honest, like his yearbook page.

Background searches are extensive, and I expect the FBI to be a cut above the rest.

He lied about underaged drinking, but it didn't appear that he lied about the allegations...however I could be easily swayed with this thing called evidence and proof.

Background searches aren't extensive enough to find unreported sexual assault, unless the investigators knew to consult with the victim. That is not information the person being investigated would provide.

And it was more than just underaged drinking that was lied about, it was everything regarding his social conduct as a teen that wouldn't go on a college application. Things that corroborate Ford's testimony by showing how he interacted with peers.

Wait, are you seriously knocking him for not mentioning underaged drunken times and fart jokes for his college application?

And that corroborates Ford's testimony? 😂 Ok.

He tried to hide the extent of his drinking throughout the testimony and he lied about common terms for sex acts.

"I never drank to excess, and these terms refer to... Refer to... You know quarters? It's kinda like that"

Do you really, honestly, truthfully believe that? Be honest here. You think he was telling the truth? Or did he lie?

Do you believe that all offices become null a void to any citizen who has drank to excess?

That's the world you're down with to make this nomination go away?

No, but lying under oath should absolutely prevent a nominee from being appointed to the Supreme Court.

Which is what he did.

Had he been honest, had he shown humility or remorse, had he admitted that he made mistakes when younger but has learned from them and improved, there would not be a problem here.

His dishonesty is why this matters the most. Doing stupid, hurtful things as a teenager is bad, but only if the person does not learn from their mistakes.

He was crying up there like a bitch, saying it didn't happen. You're asking for him to show remorse for something that hasn't happened. Prove it happened, I'll wait.

Now you're sticking your flag here? Lying under oath, after all the bullshit accusations just thrown in his face calling him a gang rapist? None of that is reprehensible but drinking is.

You're willing to twist the goalpost however you see fit, this conversation is a wash and you should be ashamed of how fickle your morals are for idealogical leanings.

Why are you avoiding his lies, which I have said are the primary reason he should not be on the SC? That is the goalpost, which has not changed at any point in his entire nomination process. So stop with the pathetic partisan strawmen and stick to the issue at hand.

He lied in his "defense" of himself. Why? Because the accusations are untrue? Then why commit a federal crime on top of it? He lied because he lied when the accusations first arose. He lied because he knows the accusations are true.

I'll revert you to my previous point of needing evidence of the crimes you say he is lying about. This is the issue you keep avoiding, the whole accusations of gang rape.

Prove the initial assault, or the other two before moving the goalpost please.

He lied in his testimony about innocuous things that were not even directly related to the allegations, solely because the truth of his youth helps substantiate the allegations.

He wants you to believe that while he liked beer, he never drank much. That while he uses sexually explicit terms, they actually had completely unrelated meanings (that no one has ever heard of, even his peers). That despite his candor in the past about being a rapscallion, he was really a choir boy 24/7.

Had he not lied when the allegations first came out, he wouldn't be in this mess. He screwed himself.

How about you provide proof instead of speculation of what you believe 'he' wants me to know.

Listen, don't come back to me if you don't have proof of the crime. Don't move the goalpost, don't change the subject, prove the conspiracy theory you're placing in front of me.

The proof of the crime is in his testimony, where he lies.

I don't see why you are so set on physical evidence of sexual assault 30 years ago when he committed a federal crime in front of your eyes. THAT is what everyone is upset with. What happened to Ford is shitty, and he should apologize to her for it, but adolescent activities are not what is the issue here. It is lying as an adult.

Sorry dude, you don't get to make fake accusations, drag a man's name and reputation through filth and then say that just because he drank underaged that he is null and guilty of all the crimes he was accused.

Thanks, but fuck off cause that is insane. Anyone who was alive in the 80's is fucked for office then, Schumer's time in SNL...whew.

The problem here, which you won't admit, is that you have nothing that tarnishes Kavanaugh's character so you've stooped so low for this after the week of fake shit that was slung. It's a goalpost move, and it's completely shameless of you to not realize how the Democrats of today = the Republicans of 91/92 with their vast right wing conspiracy. Just go back and look it up and you'll see your shitty playbook there :)

What part of lying under oath do you not understand? I mean, really, he didn't just lie to the committee, he lied to you, me, his wife, his children, EVERYONE. Are you OK with that? Do you think that is the kind of character that should be on the Supreme Court?

And again, if he was innocent as you say, if these allegations are all baseless lies meant to tarnish his reputation, then why does he not support the FBI investigating the allegations? That could potentially clear his name beyond a shadow of a doubt, but instead he chooses to lie?

Why have (most) conservatives abandoned all integrity since Trump?

I get lying under oath, I'm not disputing you.

However, you're leaping bounds over everything that has happened and the constant lies spewed to get your lying under oath...about drinking to excess..to which actually still needs to be proven.

You have no integrity sir, and it's painfully obvious.

So you get that he lied under oath, but you still think that he should be on the SC?

And what am I "leaping bounds" over? His other lies before the allegations came out? He had been dishonest from the start.

And what stunts? The multiple credible allegations? Why do you think they shouldn't be investigated? Since these are all apparently phoney, there should be no problem disproving them and clearing Kavanaugh's name. Hell, his reputation would be STRONGER if the claims were investigated and they were proven to be false (which is why I think that 4th allegations that Republicans jumped on to investigate is likely purposely disprovable so they can try to claim the others must be too).

We have been asking for the claims to be investigated. The Republicans attempts to force Kavanaugh through *without" investigating is highly suspect, and was the first reason I suspected his guilt. His performance yesterday just sealed the deal.

You mean sat on the accusations until the hearing was a week away, Feinstein had it for a while.

You can't see it, and I can't lead you to the water. However, you can't do the same for me with the inability to prove your original claims (not the lying, the original issue).

Feinstein held back because Ford requested anonymity. But yeah, a representative actually caring for their constituent is a foreign concept to conservatives, so I can see why you don't understand.

Who is the one who is closing their eyes to reality? You've even admitted that you realize Kavanaugh lied, but still you refuse to see why he should be investigated. You're still believing the lies that this is all a smear campaign.

Seriously, stop and think about it, there are 4 scenarios/outcomes here.

1) The women are lying and there is an investigation: They are found to be lying, they are arrested, and Kavanaugh gets his name cleared and a seat on the SC.

2) The women are lying but there is no investigation: Kavanugh is pushed through to the court, but a permanent cloud hangs over his reputation because of the unanswered questions and the women can make millions in book deals.

3) Kavanaugh is lying and there is an investigation: The truth is found and he is impeached from his current seat and the women get closure.

4) Kavanaugh is lying but there is no investigation: Kavanaugh gets pushed through to the court and the women have ruined their lives all for naught.

Of those 4, when there is an investigation the liars lose. When their isn't, the liars win. So why is it Kavanaugh doesn't want an investigation?

Yeah because it is good for the country if both sides of the political spectrum can believe in the supreme court.

Be pretty great for our enemies(Russia especially) if american citizens dont believe in the supreme court.

I dont think anybody has faith in any part of the system. These people are corrupt.

What would be good for everybody is to accept the election results of 2016 and allow the government to operate per norm, and if you don't like trump, put up a better candidate to beat him in 2020.

Don't beat him by destroying people's lives with bullshit like this.

I dont think anybody has faith in any part of the system. These people are corrupt.

What would be good for everybody is to accept the election results of 2016 and allow the government to operate per norm, and if you don't like trump, put up a better candidate to beat him in 2020.

how much thought do you put into your posts?

I dont think anybody has faith in any part of the system. These people are corrupt.

Then

allow the government to operate per norm,

Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?

Are you saying things you actually believe? Or things that are expedient?

I'm saying that a vast conspiracy to derail the Trump administration has been allowed to freely operate over the last 2 years filled with some of the move vile people in our society.

These people levy accusations of hate, racism, etc etc against the right... but then people on the right are legitimately scared for their safety to openly express their political opinions.

The entire russiagate situation has embarrassed the country as a whole, and Trump's had to consistently be on the defensive AND STILL has done more than Obama.

This is just another example of the Trump administration being attacked and prevented from operating freely.

Oh the supermajority is so oppressed and fearful

If only right wing people had some allies in powerful places

Spare me.

Spare you what? Common sense. Or you're not trying to hear facts?

Facts? That you feel oppressed isnt a fact honey

what are you on about?

I feel oppressed? No, but i've been watching the last 2 years unfold with unverified allegation after unverified allegation that's greatly impacted the Trump administration and prevented the rightful transition of power.

I'm sorry you feel the need to get so defensive instead of considering reality. You should buckle up because there's 6 more years of reality coming your way before we see how much worse we can do than trump/hillary.

Were you mad when Obama couldnt appoint his supreme court nominee?

I wasn't unhappy with Obama until it was clear he was continuing bush era wars, and funding/arming extremists in the middle east. So I only voted for him in 2008.

There was never anything this dramatic.

Im talking specifically about Garland, not your generic opinion of Obama

Be pretty great for our enemies(Russia especially) if american citizens dont believe in the supreme court.

News flash; we don't either way. The Communists have already won. It's merely a question of which side can build a sufficient coalition to be the first to secede.

Which is why we saw bi-partisan support to take down monuments to "racists," but only actually took down monuments to secessionists.

How have the communists won?

Holy shit, secede? Truly a Russian wet dream

Because mid term elections might mean gains for democrats, who would then be able to influence the choice.

But didn't McConnell do the exact same thing?

But didn't McConnell do the exact same thing?

Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=autkkRE2GhA

I think the main optics problem for the bar is this, he's being pretty transparently deceptive about how much he may have drank back in the day while at the same time using his bar credentials like they are a golden ticket. He was being pretty flippant.

is that a serious question? the man has worked all of his life to get to this point and it seems like this is a smear campaign by the democrats. They have tarnished this man's name and your response is "just get someone else with the same beliefs in there". NO, this man now deserves this seat more than ever.

You are literally using the same logic that the Dems used for Clinton - I can take your comment and change every "man" to "woman" and "his" to "her" and put this in early 2016 for the Clinton campaign.

It's not his turn. While there were ideological differences I don't recall "paid sexual assault" (just naturally assume you believe she was paid) victims for Neil Gorsuch.

If someone came out with unprovable allegations against HRC during the campaign should she have stepped aside? Are we okay moving towards a standard of guilty until proven innocent?

This is a job interview for a lifetime posting, a posting that citizens don't vote for (which is by design), it is not a criminal court. If I were to go up for a job interview (or a promotion) and something like this came out, I would have to answer for it. I'd be guilty until proven innocent in that situation, and more than likely if I yelled at my interviewers and interrupted them I wouldn't get the job.

If an unprovable allegation came out about HRC (and didn't a few of those come out during the election cycle) then the election results would have been the same. People would not have voted for her

Should Kav be removed from his current judicial position based on these same allegations? If it's enough to prevent advancement surely it's grounds for dismissal as well? Do the decisions he's made as a judge need to be reevaluated now that we're being led to believe he is a serial rapist? Where does it stop?

Not at all. The allegations are clearly not enough to prevent advancement, because it's almost guaranteed that he'll be confirmed by next week.

The allegations almost aren't the important part anymore, the person he presented himself to be (when faced with a horrible situation) in that hearing yesterday reminds me of someone who cannot wait to get out his revenge when he is promoted. Whether the allegations are true or not, he proved himself to be a very biased partisan, I have absolutely no faith in him to be a textualist and fair and impartial in any of his court ruling going forward.

Yes because hes a fuck face rapist.

You're sure being led to believe as much despite the (lack of) evidence. Truth of the matter is it can't be proven or disproven so the question remains, are mere allegations enough to remove this man and thus any man from their job? Would we rather have a system where the burden of evidence lies with the accused? Rape is wrong, but evidence matters.

What evidence would be good enough for you?

Credible wittness testimony is admissable and the man is a fucking hack.

Are you waiting for a CCTV video where he shares his name and intent to rape her? Fucks sake dude.

I'm waiting for evidence that can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the man is guilty as it should be. I'm all for punishing rapists, but I'm against punishing people who have not be proven guilty.

And in the meantime you want someone who clearly perjured themselves and accused of rape/assault by 3 credible people to just be rammed through and we'll deal with it later?

Do you realize how dumb that is?

Lol don't pretend to know what I want, I have no skin in this game other than watching the USA moving towards a guilty until proven innocent style of law that has far reaching implications and repercussions. I don't know him nor her nor the others personally so I have to judge their credibility based on what they say, and what they say does not prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty. what bothers me is that people are sooo convinced, without evidence supporting as much that this man is a rapist. Slippery slope my friends.

There is evidence though. You're just ignoring it.

Well if she has evidence that she feels would hold up in a court of law I urge her to file a police report and start the investigation, my understanding is that there is no statute of limitations for these allegations where it occurred. While you may have an opinion one way or the other, Nothing that has been presented so far proves or disproves the allegations. To be clear, I couldn't care less if this man becomes justice or not, and feel that assailants should be held accountable for their actions.

I thought only Ford was credible enough to be presented during the hearings? The other two were so far out there even Fienstine did not mention them.

What evidence would be good enough for you?

So what you're saying is that it's not possible for the guy to be proven innocent, even if he's innocent.

um no i am not. Clinton didn't "deserve" anything because people were voting. Kavanaugh was appointed. Big difference. He deserves it

Sorry. I keep on forgetting that everyone who is appointed to something instantly deserves it.

So Sonia Sotomayor deserved it? HRC was also appointed to Sec of State, I’m assuming you believe that she deserved it too?

yes. it's like you get hired for a job and then someone from high school, 40 years later says you raped them and then I come in and say "just hire someone else, whats the big deal??" but there is no evidence of the rape and all evidence points to that you didn't rape.

worked all of his life

You mean groomed by his masters. His finances are shady. Gathering kompromat on him is literally the easiest thing in the world. His career has been spent focused on this.

This is the most obvious example of a guy who TPTB want to place on the supreme court to do their bidding. Deregulate the industries they control, remove oversight for ethical conflicts of interest. They will rewrite the laws in ways in which they are SPECIFICALLY prepared to take advantage of.

This is the birth of kleptocracy, hopefully the kleptocrats grant special benefits to the useful idiots who helped them along the way in the name of Christian Values and Owning the Libs

okay. I am assuming you don't have a career.

what does any of this have to do with the fact that they are doing the lowest of the low to try to keep him out?

It's not about him.

It's not about the court.

It's about spectacle and manufacturing drama for the masses.

Bread and circuses.

Round and round and round we go...

If you look at the Dr. Ford timeline, she made the tip to the WaPo tip line before Kavanaugh was nominated, after his name appeared on the short list. If she were some paid Dem operative, her trap wouldn't have worked on literally any other Federal Judge. She would have had to have advance knowledge Kavanaugh would be the nominee.

I think Ford is genuine, or at least, Dr. Ford believes it to be genuine. Now, did the Democrats use Ford's story in an attempt to create maximum political damage? You betcha, but that's politics.

I think a few people here are missing the fact that in October, the SC votes on whether POTUS has the ability to Pardon state charges. Meaning Trump could pardon himself for crimes potentially committed when that might be investigated by Mueller.

Kavanuagh has already stated he believe POTUS should be above the law. So this will have lasting consequences for not only Trump and Republicans but for future POTUS candidates, as well.

Ah.. good conspiracy theory. I think I saw a thread on /r/all from the_mueller

Why does r/conspiracy not want to discuss that? It has very real and tangible effects

I'm sure alot of people do.

Alot of /r/conspiracy nowadays are people who don't like trump and are buying in to all manner of left wing conspiracy theories to paint trump in any manner of ways outside of his already known demeanor.

People levy so many false accusations against Trump that it's hard to take any of them seriously

wow weird a lot of r/conspiracy doesnt trust the preisdent so weird what a break from tradition

Because of blatantly false accusations being consistently levied against Trump.

Thanks for your service, TPTB surely appreciate someone standing up for the powerful for once

THIS IS WHY. This is corruption happening in your face. Do people really think that this country cant turn into a kleptocracy like Russia where the powerful are immune to the law and rewrite it at their whim?

The greatest feat they ever pulled off was getting the heartland to believe these guys are doing this for you. Abortion rights? they dont give a fuck about that. They want to buy another yacht

"why are they trying to jam him through"

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They're not. It would set a dangerous precedent to allow unprovable allegations from a person's childhood to derail their lives 36 years after the fact.

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The idea of an FBI investigation is absolutely rediculous. Senator Feinstein said as much in her opening statement today when she stated that nothign would have come of them submitting to the FBI... And so somebody leaked the allegations to media to let the outrage machine decide.

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No.. That's not how things work. If you have daughters, they should be properly educated to go to the authorities in the event somebody assaults them.

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We elected a pussy grabbing president. Please... drop the sjw bullshit.

If you have daughters, they should be properly educated to go to the authorities in the event somebody assaults them.

Why the fuck should they go to the authorities? So a crew of men can hire a prosecutor to tell her shes full of shit in front of everybody else?

Shouldnt she keep her mouth shut so she doesnt ruin the career of a promising young man who believes in the right ideology and has the right social network?

All risk no reward. Young women, learn from this, keep your fucking mouth shut

Yeah, if you wait 35 years the chance for people to believe you goes down significantly since there's no evidence.

Most rapists aren't going to have the resources to put up that kind of defense or smear the accuser.... most of them will take a plea deal, and subsequently become sex offenders and never go on to serve as anything resembling a judge.

You are on r/conspiracy. Do private school kids get away with rape because they are connected? Yes we absolutely know they do.

So tell your daughter to keep her mouth shut because he will go on to the supreme court and she will get her name dragged through the mud and blackballed in her community

If you don't see the political angle here, it means that you are being willfully ignorant. Which means that nobody can help you except for yourself.

These things absolutely happen. It's a shit situation. But the options for recourse are very specific and you simply cannot wait 35 years and expect the same justice that would have come had it been reported when it happened.

That's just how things work. Any crime is like that. Try reporting any crime except murder 35 years after the fact and your chances of seeing any kind of closure are too low to calculate a percentile compared to when the crime has just taken place and there's a chance to preserve evidence.

Yes but numerous reports color the guy. Remember, we arent convicting him of rape and sending him to prison. His character is being shown, and his little shit fit shows even more that he is unfit. Find another guy.

numerous unconfirmed reports made decades after the fact with no possible way to verify them.

There's no confusion here. The relevant facts are known. The democrats did this. The democrats leaked it to the press because they knew that they couldn't just let it go to the fbi... so they leaked it to get people worked into a frenzy in hopes they could delay the confirmtaion.

Even Trump has buckled and gone along with this 1 week FBI investigation. Who knows how many other people they can find in the coming week to pile on with more fake accusations and further alienate actual victims.

You think Ford is a democrat plant? They found someone who partied with kavanaugh (this part is not in doubt) that was willing to lie (to what end?)? Who also talked about this lie 5 years before this was even a thing?

Pretty long odds on that. You might not believe her but are you really saying shes a democrat operative?

I think Ford has a story to tell. I think she reported it to them, and then they betrayed her trust and every single victim of sexual crimes alike by putting her on blast and turning it all into this circus.

That's what is happening here. The Dems have harnessed the outrage machine in hopes it will do what their lack of votes can't do. And it's disgusting. People should be appalled.

Weird that victims of sex crimes seem to be unilaterally on Fords side and not on Kavanaughs. Its another example of a privileged male getting away with wrong doing.

alleged.

and that word is not going to change.

There are actual victims somewhere who must feel disgusted this woman is getting all this attention and a million dollar gofundme when they get nothing.

Don't seem like it. The people supporting kavanaugh seem to be partisans who support all things Republican down the party line. Seen anybody into women's victim rights support kavanaugh?

People see an obvious smear campaign at play.

Again , how long of a con could this possibly be? Since high school? Nobody doubts that she went t school with him. She talked about it to people at least 5 years ago

The bottom line is that they cannot and will not prove anything.

That is why people leaked it to the media, so as to hand off the case to the easily outraged public at large.

Round and round and round we go...

If someone came out with unprovable allegations against HRC during the campaign should she have stepped aside? Are we okay moving towards a standard of guilty until proven innocent?

How are you so sure that the investigation would not find corroborating evidence? And if it did not find any evidence, then that would clear Kavanaugh's name. But by refusing to have an investigation performed, his name is never actually cleared, and there will be a cloud over him for the rest of his life.

If he was actually confident that nothing would be found that would tarnish his good name, then he should be urging the FBI to investigate. Otherwise, it shows pretty clearly that he is hiding something.

Yeah because it is good for the country if both sides of the political spectrum can believe in the supreme court.

Be pretty great for our enemies(Russia especially) if american citizens dont believe in the supreme court.

um no i am not. Clinton didn't "deserve" anything because people were voting. Kavanaugh was appointed. Big difference. He deserves it

But didn't McConnell do the exact same thing?

Nope.

Oh the supermajority is so oppressed and fearful

If only right wing people had some allies in powerful places

Spare me.

I wouldnt want my team to stoop to something that low

Your team already stooped that low. I take it that it didn't bother you much, as you're still on "that team."

I'm as disappointed as anyone else at the Right's decision to embrace the final provision of the "nuclear option," but I'm hardly surprised, given that Harry Reid and the Democrats did most of the leg-work in that regard.

If you don't see the political angle here, it means that you are being willfully ignorant. Which means that nobody can help you except for yourself.

These things absolutely happen. It's a shit situation. But the options for recourse are very specific and you simply cannot wait 35 years and expect the same justice that would have come had it been reported when it happened.

That's just how things work. Any crime is like that. Try reporting any crime except murder 35 years after the fact and your chances of seeing any kind of closure are too low to calculate a percentile compared to when the crime has just taken place and there's a chance to preserve evidence.