I have my doubts. I can’t, nor will I try to discredit the possibility, but I have pretty severe doubts given the complete lack of credibility on Dr. Fords behalf. She doesn’t remember anything correctly and her lawyer claimed that the burden of providing proof was not on them. Smells ripe of a smear campaign.

He probably did. Why did he get so angry and sweaty during his questioning?

Why won't he just submit to an investigation?

Reminds me of John Podesta. If he ignores the demands for an investigation he probably did try and rape that child. (she was 15, some were younger)

This isn’t true at all. He said multiple times he would do whatever the committee wanted. He’s gone through multiple fbi profiling during his career. None of this has come up.

If he is innocent in all this he has absolutely every right to be angry and to talk in that tone. Because it’s a disgrace.

Also what demands on John podesta and what does that have to do with this?

1) the fbi investigates federal crimes (not alleged gropings)

2) he has been previously investigated for federal background checks, which have turned up nothing in his past.

3) this is an obvious smear job to try and taint his nomination.

4) Thursday hearing was chosen intentionally so Kav could not be seated in time for the next session of SC.

5) real victims don't need 5 days of meeting with their lawyers to "remember" what happened.

He's perjurer himself about enough other stuff no one should be able to take his denials seriously.

And the witnesses that say it never happened, how about them?

There are none. There were only three people in the room. One says it happened, one says it didn’t, and the other has been put in hiding by the GOP. If he could clear him why won’t they subpoena his testimony?

One says it happened

This is false. source?

Ford says it happened. Kavanaugh says it did not. Judge is in hiding. There was nobody else in the room.

she named 3 witnesses at the party. All three witnesses say the party never happened.

Then you have the judge who basically kept a diary for his whole life showing he was out of town every weekend that summer but one. Did you watch the testimonies?

July 1st 1982. “Skis” with all of the people mentioned right there in his calendar. As soon as the prosecutor hit on that point little miss Lindsay Graham went apoplectic for some strange reason. The (alleged) assault happened behind close doors according to Ford so the only people that could have been witnesses were Ford, Kavanaugh, and Judge.

The party wasn't behind closed doors, which is what they say never happened. I like Grahams outburst. I thought he was spot on. But that's neither here nor there

Why is it in his calendar? If his calendar is what you are using as the basis for his innocence don’t we have to assume it is accurate. Also let’s get their testimony under oath and see if they give the same response. When the truth is on your side you usually want an investigation.

I def think he got way more faded as a youth than he's letting on but i think the sexual assault allegations are a farce. She named multiple people who claims were there and they all denied knowing about the party or about who Kav was. Add to that that she didnt know when or where it took place.. I think they wanted an FBI investigation so they could stroll out more liars and stall for the obvious which is a chance to get the senate back. Kav is a bush lackey so fuck him but its still fuck libs more..

The only person that could corroborate the assault is Mark Judge and the GOP refuses to call him to testify. The people she named are the same names he listed as having “skis” with on July 1st. Many experts are saying she is a highly credible witness. He refused to answer a number of questions. He wants nothing to do with an FBI investigation she wants an investigation . Nothing about his demeanor makes me think he’s incapable of assault, nothing about her demeanor made me think she was untruthful.

She has nothing to lose from an investigation as she already admits there are key details she just can't remember. He has everything to lose from an investigation, even if he knows it will clear his name because an investigation is just another stall tactic. I think Ford has experienced real trauma but I think the Dems are bending her to their will. Feinstein clearly hasn't been looking out for Fords best interests but rather her own political interests. It is unfortunate that this woman was Abused but I think Kav has ever right to be upset as we move towards guilty until proven innocent. Don't forget this man is judge who has worked his whole career presuming innocent until proven guilty only to find that the same standards do not apply to him. He definitely partied more than he lets on in high school though haha

But the fact that he “definitely partied more than he let’s on” is a problem when you are saying you didn’t under oath. Are you really satisfied with a Supreme Court Judge that is willing to bend the truth while under oath? The man is not credible and unworthy of the court. Also based on his record he seems to have gone into every single case with a predetermined outcome to support power over all else. The corporation is always right in his eyes. Nothing about his record shows a shred of impartiality. There are dozens of judges more qualified. Nobody is trying to pull a McConnell and not allow a sitting president to name a justice. People are just saying a lot about this guy comes off as shady (sex assault, gambling, poor financial management etc). The Dems let Gorsuch through without incident.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/28/mark-judge-letter-to-committee-cillizza-sot-ctn-vpx.cnn

BRETT KAVANAUGH IS A RAPIST.

It's really that simple.

is it really that simple?

Are you here to defend this piece of human trash again?

More slander. Shocker

Have you heard what the ABA has to say about this?

You raped me 40 years ago.

Lock him up boys

You are such a trash heap of a human being.

TIL

Back then "copping a feel" was not "sexual assault", so no.

Times have changed: just looking at a woman nowadays is "raping with eyes".

Holding someone down, covering their mouth to “cop a feel” was certainly sexual assault in the 80’s. This statement is absurd

He has a point. Todays narrative is to believe that "making a move" on a woman without her permission is assault. What a joke. I've **never"" asked a woman before I kissed her for the first time, have you?

"I just kiss, I don't even wait." "Grab them by the pussy"

I’ve never asked a woman before kissing her, have you? It would ruin the moment

Well, context would be you actually asked the woman on a real date and it went well.

And yes, I have asked. It was obvious it was going to happen but I had to make sure. "Can I give you a kiss" didn't seem to ruin the moment at all. All she did was smile and come in for it.

"Can I give you a kiss" is fine but shouldn't be mandatory. That's ludacris. If you lean in to kiss, is that assault? Uh, no.

Isn't there a new law in Sweden that says you need a womans signature of consent before sex? Europe has gone insane.

Context matters, the situation matters. That's it. Party sex is always dangerous. Getting girls intoxicated to take advantage of especially when you're a privileged guy who apparently loves beer in high school. It's just not a good situation to be in.

In my context. We went to dinner and ended up at her place watching movies. No sex happened even though I could have tried. I was just trying to be a gentleman. It didn't ever go anywhere but I know for sure it was a good situation. A sober situation.

99% of the time, the man is intoxicated as well. Many of my dates involved alcohol. I've had more than one one-night-stand where she came over to fuck, and we got tipsy first to loosen up. Just because she's intoxicated doesn't mean anything.

Have you ever kissed a woman without asking her permission? What if SHE leans in to kiss you without asking your permission? Is that assault in your book?

I can't believe I'm even having this conversation

Yeah but she is coming over for an intimate thing.

Its context. Context matters, situation matters. Also the guy being drunk too argument is a degenerate position to hold.

So by your own standards, you sexually assaulted a woman?

the guy being drunk too argument is a degenerate position

wtf explain this. Does he think clearly in your eyes? What's to keep her from taking advantage of him, by your standards?

No need to get unhinged. By your standards getting drunk at a party excuses your sexual behavior.

Then trying to flip it as a female predator thing.

Quite honestly you make arguments only a degenerate would make.

Way to avoid my questions.

"What happens if she rapes him"

You have made some of the most grotesque defense of sexual assault after I confronted you with Trumps own words describing how he sexually assaults women.

That is the truth. To hell with your questions, you do nothing more than make degenerate arguments to excuse sexual misconduct.

You can't even believe someone would ask permission to kiss someone. Which is awfully telling.

You're going in circles. Let's try this again

So by your own standards, you sexually assaulted a woman?

the guy being drunk too argument is a degenerate position

wtf explain this. Does he think clearly in your eyes? What's to keep her from taking advantage of him if they're both drinking

This is why you are unhinged. You are accusing me of sexual assault now when I said nothing of the sort.

And you're doing this to defend the president.

So because he's drunk and not thinking clearly the man is allowed to rape and apparently can't fight off a woman.

Degenerate.

more filibustering. We're done here

Yes we are.

When you have to accuse someone of secual assault to defend the president and his words. You've lost your morality and there is absolutely no point in ever believing a word typed from your account.

Guaranteed we'll find you in a thread where a Democrat is accused. And suddenly we will both think sexual assault is bad.

Good luck in whatever it is you do. I'm sure I'll run into your degenerate arguments again sometime.

I’m not sure where you learned how to “make a move” but in my experience it has not involved forcefully holding a person down and quieting their screams by holding my hand over their mouth and having a friend turn up music.

Let's make one thing perfectly clear. You don't know if any of that is true, no more than I do. So lets cut the shit.

I don’t know and we likely never will. I do know what I saw yesterday. I believed her, I did not believe him. I know she welcomes an FBI investigation, the GOP does not.

I do know what I saw yesterday. I believed him, I did not believe her.

Which is fair. People have different perceptions. Although to argue as you did earlier that the events that she described were not assault is an absolute absurdity.

No. Feinstein knew about the allegations since July and didn't mention it at all during the actual confirmation hearings. Shit went on for days and she didn't mention it once. Then when Republicans were going to set a vote to confirm him, the allegations were made public. This is a last ditch effort to stop Kavanaugh's confirmation. The Democrats have no other option. They don't have the votes to stop it, so their goal is to smear him and either get him to withdraw, or get some Republicans to vote against him.

Of course not. Was she sexually assaulted by anyone? That I can't answer. Maybe

He likes beer

And if he thought that was the proper way to “make a move” it sure explains why he “remained a virgin for many many years after high school”.

July 1st 1982. “Skis” with all of the people mentioned right there in his calendar. As soon as the prosecutor hit on that point little miss Lindsay Graham went apoplectic for some strange reason. The (alleged) assault happened behind close doors according to Ford so the only people that could have been witnesses were Ford, Kavanaugh, and Judge.

I believe it. A bigger concern is that George W. Bush is reportedly working the phones for Kavanaugh: http://theweek.com/speedreads/798796/george-w-bush-reportedly-working-phones-kavanaugh

Karl Rove: Brett Kavanaugh Was Central to All Policy Decisions in Bush White House https://www.newsweek.com/karl-rove-brett-kavanaugh-was-central-all-policy-decisions-bush-white-house-1015463

Did people forget GWB, Rove and the neo-cons here?

Thanks for posting this. This is pretty important info. What worries me about this is the blind faith on both sides. The Left will swear he did it, even though there is no proof (at least yet). The Right and Ride or Die Q Folk will rally behind Trump's pick and say " we gotta stick to the plan."

We live in dangerous times when everyone is so emotionally charged when it comes to politics. There is no more civility or reason anymore.

Yeah, I think so. She has no reason to lie, and was very consistent in her story. He claimed the whole thing was a conspiracy by the Democrats, except he stopped short of saying that Dr. Ford herself was part of that conspiracy, which is pretty senseless. Also, he was obviously lying about some stuff, especially his yearbook blurbs ('alumnia' just means we were friends! 'ralph club' is because I puke when I eat spicy foods! come on.), and he got weird and defensive when anyone asked him about his drinking, which seems in line with some of what we've been hearing about him.

That's what I'd say if you were an adult, though. If you were five I think I would say this:

One of these two people is lying. The woman says the man attacked her, and the man says he did not. But the woman does not seem like a liar, and the man does seem like a very angry person who might attack people. So, I think the man is the liar.

Here is a simple ELI5:

No one know what really happened, no proof on both sides. Everyone else in here is just cheering for their team.

Why is everyone shitting themselves over this?

I don't know who that is.

I don't care.

I am 53. Our class motto was: Drugs are fun, sex is free, we are the class of 83. We all grew up and turned into boring adults. We all had fathers who taught us how to respect women. So did Kav.