What are some Big conspiracies proven to be true but are still generally treated as conspiracies?

1  2018-09-29 by Getitallways

And why is that?

I think it’s a mixture of things, main ingredient being fear.

What do you think?

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mk ultra. People probably don't believe it due to "predictive programming" I noticed that some shows and movies use it as a topic. People probably don't think twice about it. It's proven to be true though.

yeah i think a lot of the declassified CIA programs are hard to accept. for me, it's the remote-viewing docs. like, there it is in black and white, but it's still hard for me to believe it's true.

article here: https://www.exopolitics.org/cia-used-remote-viewing-to-learn-about-mars-pyramids-inhabitants/

I have experienced so many paranormal things in my life so I don't find that hard to believe (personally). Especially with the fact that those documents were released. Have you looked into astral traveling? It seems far fetched but I'm pretty sure that's what the dude in that experiment was doing. Truth indeed is stranger than fiction.

i guess for me it's complicated. like, i don't doubt that it happened. and i don't really doubt that astral travel is legit. i've never experienced anything close to that so it's just hard for me to comprehend i guess

It's cool. I'm not sure if experiencing something like that is worse than not experiencing it though. For me personally, I am surprised when people tell me that they haven't had any paranormal experiences like that. My life would be way different if I didn't experience things like that. The weird thing is I mostly had witnesses for the weird shit I experienced which makes it even more creepy for me.

I would be fascinated to hear about some of your experiences if you felt like writing it

Yeah man that stuff seems a little too wild, why would they even release that? Thats a conspiracy of its own.

Honestly it IS a conspiracy within itself. Didn't they release documentation last year that aliens exist? I definitely find it interesting on what they choose to release to the public. But yeah. You're talking about the "psychic" who explained what mars looked like, right? It seems like astral travel but at the same time I can't really trust the documents they decide to put out anyways. It's a circus.

I try to follow along on /r/astralprojection, and even they're a bit too weird sometimes for me. Though, this subreddit can be just as weird at times

I see that declassified CIA document (Mars Exploration) mentioned often.

Rarely does anyone post the presentation in which that specific remote viewer discusses his credentials and the military experiment as a whole. (2001, 1h22m) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSrm5EeRnSo

The entire presentation is fascinating, worth a watch. He specifically discusses the Mars viewing @37:18.

Great Q&A towards the end also.

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MK ultra existed, but is there evidence that the program was successful. Can humans be programmed?

Benghazi was an organized attack and not a protest and there was never any doubt about which it was.

And this was proved by hillary clinton’s emails or? Wich i haven’t looked into btw. But I have heard about the united states involvement in Lybia and that it was purely about oil. Is that connected to what you’re talking about?

Belive it or not it was up to the Admiral of the 6th fleet to have put together a rapid response team. In every western military officers are given certain discression to make a choice. This makes us more efficient than dictatorship armies as they have to filter all decisions to the top.

Wikipedia even says it was a coordinated attack against two facilities in the first sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack

I remember that glorious day.. Muslims massing in my city carrying signs saying "behead nonbelievers" etc..

Despite that though, Innocence of Muslims did seem to be a psyop aimed at providing cover for the assassination of the Libyan ambassador.

I'm guessing he didn't want to smuggle more Libyan weapons to Syria.. or maybe he knew too much and had to go.

Pedos in high Government

How do they get away with it?

Money + the elite and blackmail. Anything is possible when you have enough cash. People will do anything for money.

Whose gonna stop them? They run the gangs that have power to do shit about it

They are protected by the magical R.

Look up Tuskegee syphilis experiment.

Expanding on this I was in college during the election when trump and Hillary were running against each other and my textbook told me about this so I googled it and I couldn't find anything. Just so you know I do not support trump or Hillary I just found it very weird that I couldn't find anything during that time.

The whole pesticides not giving you cancer. Now monsanto is supposedly getting sued or having lawsuits because there pesticides are linked to cancer. Also the opiate crisis where the pharmaceutical company supplied the opiates but then had a drug that came out to slowly ween off the person off said drug. Therefore proving that the pharmaceuticals are corrupt and trying to monopolize the causes and cures. Pretty much any human trafficking stuff. I could go on but im already horribly depressed

Agreed. I hope your depression gets better. I've struggled with it for years and it's terrible in every way shape and form.

Yeah monsanto is definetly not for the greater good of humanity, it was allways profit driven and they went to far. The latest i heard they are now trying to change the soil so only seeds from them will grow, how fucked up is that. And they are also changing their name soon as is common practice in the world of evil corporations.

I'm not surprised at all but for some reason I thought they did that awhile ago. Do you know what their name will be? It's just a dumb idea, to put it in the most basic way, what if one of the seeds weren't healthy and had genetic mutations? Then spraying all their shit with pesticides. As if insects won't become immune to chemicals.

They were bought by bayer, a german drug and chemical company for 66 bil. I think they will use their name. They don’t seem to want to change anything about how monsanto is currently operating. So they are not our saviours.

Wow that's crazy. I am not surprised. Have you looked into fracking by any chance?

Not really, what i think i know is basically breaking up the crust to get to oil and that creates pressure that can put gasses in water pipes and stuff like that. And you can turn your water on fire. I saw a simpsons episode not too long ago where that happened to them. Is that still going on?

You might not agree but I think big pharma dose more good then bad like 60/40 maybe.

As for vaccines causing autism, i don’t know. There do seem to be more autistic people according to studys but there still is not a link between the two. Could be something else.

And yeah pesticides are definitely dangerous.

You might not agree but I think big pharma dose more good then bad like 60/40 maybe.

This would be like saying it does not matter if 9/11 was an inside job because the government does so many good things for us.

As for vaccines causing autism, i don’t know. There do seem to be more autistic people according to studys.

every time they found a link they covered it up and published a version that didn't show it.

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So published science is out the window. Where dose a critically thinking person get their facts?

No one said that you shouldn't read published science but you need to look at it with a critical eye and don't believe everything you are being told. Not everything is bad but some parts have been corrupted.

I watch the news but that doesn't mean I will believe something must be true because TV told me so.

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I'd say 9/11 is proven if you were so inclined to look at the details. It cannot be any other way.

Why? I think unless it has some "official" stamp of approval on it, no one will consider the possibility because of the immediate implications....even 17 years after.

No one minds bringing up the Gulf of Tonkin affair and we all know that it was a fabrication in order to justify war in Vietnam.

People are cattle and because most times its easier to be the slave than be persecuted for your beliefs, people don't address it.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled." ~ attributed to Mark Twain

I think it is proven.

I think 9/11 is proven at this point, to anyone who is willing to accept it.

WTC7 and the “plane” that hit the Pentagon are the 2 smoking guns. There’s no way to argue around them

In a case where there is no actual 'smoking gun', tt's not really 'proven' until there is consensus between a lot of credible people that it is so. I.e. a lot of scientists need to agree on this, and they don't currently.

No, I think you're wrong entirely.

Man, again....if you're at this point STILL, you're in the wrong place. Like this is seriously ridiculous. A non believer is telling me that the US wouldn't shoot its own toe off just to go to war.

This is funny. You're the kind of person who needs to hear from the Gov't implicate themselves in the crimes of recent times....which won't fucking happen. So that's why you're still thinking the "experts" don't agree, because you're listening to the perpetrators. You're actually taking their opinions in and considering that against real experts who have no stake in the game.

I don't know why I bother....or why you bother.

There is a huge difference between 'believing' something and considering it 'proven'.

Personally I am more in the 'believing' category regarding 9/11, but this post is not about me!

The people you consider to be the 'experts' might be different people that others consider to be 'experts'.

You're the kind of person who needs to hear from the Gov't implicate themselves

No. There could be many other kinds of proofs and there are several things that need to be proven, f.ex. 'Was the US government complicit?' and if so 'Who did what and when and how much?', also was it using demolition or not?

Some people are claiming it was misiles and not planes etc. which sounds ludicrous to me, but they also rely on their own 'experts'.

So because the waters are so muddled you can not say anything has been 'proven' regarding 9/11.

It's a bit like the JFK murder. A lot of people bleive it was CIA but this is in no way 'proven'.

This sub is for critical thinkers, that means considering ALL sides and not just what you 'believe'.

Thank you. I don’t believe the official narrative, but to say it’s proven is absurd. This sub has like 50 different theories as to what happened, and each person believes they are right.

Chemtrails/Geoengineering. Its ridiculous nobody looks up and realizes whats going on.

Especially since Harvard has a webpage dedicated to geoengineering through spraying.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603974/harvard-scientists-moving-ahead-on-plans-for-atmospheric-geoengineering-experiments/

https://geoengineering.environment.harvard.edu

But it's just a bullshit conspiracy don't you know. They want to save us..honest.

Biggest for me was the situation in south Korea proving the existence of secret sects of powerful individual grooming world leaders and controlling them from the shadows.

Shocking but not shocking. Any code words or links?

Google: '2016 South Korean political scandal sentencing'

The list of convictions is insane. If you start digging there you'll end up deep in cult and shadow government circles.

Alternatively, simply 8 goddesses will get you there too.

This one got ignored completely

It was huge news in Korea and internationally.

the satanic aspect sir

This was nuts! No coverage of the weeks of protest or the 'shaman' group involved in the western media. 2016 was crazy.

Even stuff like the CIA overthrowing the elected leader of Iran in the 1950s and the whole Iran-Contra affair.

The Moon Landings in the 1960's being fabricated

Anyone that has done even 5-10 hours of research on the subject and is willing to look at it objectively can see the entire thing is fabricated (I've done 100's of hours of research)

There are 100's of threads here, there are dozens of things that are either impossible or clearly faked

So there is no flag on the moon?

I don't even bether getting into the dozen "popular" opinions about the flag, the shadows, the rocks & what not

Just look at it from 10,000 feet so to speak

There's no way 50 years ago a few guys strapped themselves to a rocket and went back and forth to the moon

The getting back part being the most unrealistic

I might believe we could crash an unmanned rocket into the moon, but the orbiting the moon, taking off from the moon's surface, reconnecting/docking with the other part and returning to earth ...

No.

Lol. This is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

I’m interested in your theory of why it didn’t happen, but what other proof is there besides your disbelief in human technology?

To be honest with you, it's common sense more than anything

I don't play ring around the rosie arguing the dozen or so common argument points which you can Google (just Google "Moon Conspiracy Points" and you'll get a list)

Here's the Wiki link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories

They include but are not limited to:

"C" on the rock Waving flag Reflectors on the moon Russians would expose Shadows at different angles Back lit surfaces Picture quality Communication time lag Van Allen Radiation Belts

I don't bother arguing these points because either side can be argued and nothing gets accomplished

What I do is take a step back and look at the whole picture

I'd suggest you walk outside and look up at the moon while you're thinking about it and ask yourself if it seems possible, especially in the 1960's but even today

Supposedly ... 3 guys strapped themselves to a 7 million pound thrust rocket and took off from earth, got in orbit, circled earth and fired up the afterburners and headed to the moon for a 3 day trip through space

When they got there they got into moon orbit then separated the lander and safely landed on the moon

Jumped out and drove their dune buggy around for a few days, hit some golf balls, planted a flag, took thousands of pictures, etc and then when it was time to go they fired up the lander and took off from the moon

The lunar lander had to get up to speed of 4,000 miles an hour to catch up to the command module (main ship) to dock with it where the astronauts then climbed inside, swung around the moon in orbit again and fired up the engines for the 3 day return trip to earth

When they got close they figured out how to descend through the atmosphere without burning up and landed in the ocean with the help of some parachutes and were found alive and safe

Then remember they supposedly did this 6 times

In a nutshell, that's my argument ... it just didn't happen

You should maybe explain why all of this was not possible 50 years ago.

I don't think it's even possible today, so it certainly wasn't 50 years ago

Technology specifically

Technology specifically

Please elaborate. Which technology would have been required and wasn't available 50 years ago?

Technology all the way around

I don't argue the "math" ... If someone shows mathematical equations about thrust, gravity, distance, orbits, etc I will not argue the math

The math is a constant

I'm talking about technology all the way around, I could give you 100 examples

With a broad brush, whatever was possible 50 years ago can be done better today and whatever is possible today can be done better 50 years from now

A few specific areas:

Battery technology... As soon as the rocket lifts off, everything requiring electricity comes from batteries. Think about the weight and size of the batteries 50 years ago versus today

Size and weight of electronics... Weight and size (weight more so) is one of the biggest challenges in space flight, things take up room and things have weight. 50 years ago the size and weight of electronics was much greater than today, all things have been miniaturized many times since then

Precision parts and seals: There were 1,000's of parts and seals, the parts were more so "hammered together" when things were made 50 years ago and less precise versus today

Communication: Seems every dozen or so times I watch a live feed today it gets interrupted for some reason (weather, wires crossed, whatever) ... I'm talking about TV broadcasts for a sport event, weather disaster somewhere or remote interview from someone's home, if we can't broadcast a live feed today from across the country how did we seamlessly communicate with a spaceship flying through the unknown at 20,000 miles an hour and also from the moon 50 years ago

There are just 100's of different things I can go on about

Technology specifically

Please elaborate. Which technology would have been required and wasn't available 50 years ago?

Technology all the way around

I don't argue the "math" ... If someone shows mathematical equations about thrust, gravity, distance, orbits, etc I will not argue the math

The math is a constant

I'm talking about technology all the way around, I could give you 100 examples

With a broad brush, whatever was possible 50 years ago can be done better today and whatever is possible today can be done better 50 years from now

A few specific areas:

Battery technology... As soon as the rocket lifts off, everything requiring electricity comes from batteries. Think about the weight and size of the batteries 50 years ago versus today

Size and weight of electronics... Weight and size (weight more so) is one of the biggest challenges in space flight, things take up room and things have weight. 50 years ago the size and weight of electronics was much greater than today, all things have been miniaturized many times since then

Precision parts and seals: There were 1,000's of parts and seals, the parts were more so "hammered together" when things were made 50 years ago and less precise versus today

Communication: Seems every dozen or so times I watch a live feed today it gets interrupted for some reason (weather, wires crossed, whatever) ... I'm talking about TV broadcasts for a sport event, weather disaster somewhere or remote interview from someone's home, if we can't broadcast a live feed today from across the country how did we seamlessly communicate with a spaceship flying through the unknown at 20,000 miles an hour and also from the moon 50 years ago

There are just 100's of different things I can go on about

That doesn't actually answer my question. You are just claiming that those technologies would not have been sufficient.

Just one example:

the parts were more so "hammered together" when things were made 50 years ago and less precise versus today

"Hammered together". What level of technology do you believe existed 50 years ago? Precision engineering has been a thing since the 18th century.

Please name one component that you believe was "hammered together" to specifications not achievable 50 years ago.

Only one please.

Let's go with battery technology and climate control ... I'll give you the precision engineering

We are talking about manned flight versus unmanned flight, 2 completely different things

In manned flight, every minute of the day/night a climate/temperature appropriate for human survival must be maintained ... let's just say somewhere around 72 degrees Fahrenheit

That's in the capsule on the way up, all the way through space to the moon, separately in the command module (with one astronaut in it) as it orbited the moon and also in the lander (with 2 astronauts in it) as it descended to the moon's surface and the entire time it was "parked" there and also in the space suits when the astronauts were on the surface of the moon walking around outside of the lander

Then, back up to moon's orbit, through docking with the CM, all the way back and then through the earth's atmosphere to land in the ocean

Tying together battery technology with the weight of the batteries versus amount of electricity used/needed and also tying it in with the size weight of the equipment needed to produce heat and cooling in the spacesuits, lunar lander and command module

The temperature range varied more than 400 degrees from more than 200 below zero to more than 200 above zero in the different environments the astronauts were exposed to throughout their 10 day journey

There would have to be 3 completely separate heating/cooling systems and 3 completely separate battery systems to run those 3 systems

One for the command module, one for the lander and one for the spacesuits (one each for the spacesuits actually)

If you put all those things in a big pile on a warehouse floor, just think of the size/weight it would take up

That is just one part of all of this

Then there is the oxygen generators, water generators (I don't know what they did about water in space but I don't imagine they literally brought it with them as in "bottled" water), all the electronics and energy to power them, the communication equipment, the dune buggy and power for that, etc, etc

Now, if you are thinking about the size and weight of all that required stuff then think about the actual size of the lander or capsule or orbiter and all of that had to fit in there along with everything else like fuel, rocket engines, food, whatever they did about going to the bathroom, other gear

Just think about all of it

one specific component

Not some general staments about unspecified technologies.

Name a specific compinent.

Batteries

Which batteries? Do you have any specifications, technical documentation etc. which makes you claim they were not suitable?

Again, please provide specifics. Just stating "batteries" doesn't mean anything.

You made some grand claims that 50 years ago, tech was "hammered together" as if this haad been the dark ages so show what exactly you think would have been required but was not technologicaly possible.

He doesn't know. His comments make it pretty clear he hasn't the faintest idea of what he is talking about.

You are spoiling the fun

I'm only following this thread because of some perverse want to see some of the stupidest things ever written.

Your incredulity about literal rocket science doesn't prove anything.

I won't even argue with the "math" it would take to do it ... I have no reason to think it's mathematically possible on paper

Now, using that math to actually do it ?

No.

Buzz Aldrin punched someone who said that to his face.

He has suffered a lifetime of shame, embarrassment and being forced to live a lie

I cannot blame him for lashing out

Great PR for the moon landing propaganda in modern times

Do you not think if the russians thought they had faked it they would have pulled them on it.

Your 100s of hours were wasted.

I enjoy reading about the conspiracy theories, so it was not time wasted but rather time spent

After about 10 hours, almost all of it repeats

90% of the available information can be absorbed in less than 20 hours

After that, it;s only occasionally that something new is uncovered

Anyone spending 10-20 hours looking into it will have enough information to form an opinion

One thing that's different about the moon landing conspiracy is that it doesn't matter what you think going into the research, you will come out the other side knowing it didn't happen

I was a moon landing believer when I started reading and watching videos, I am a moon landing denier now that I've taken time to educate myself

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Taken from another thread...

I pulled a lot of this stuff from other users and pieces of this have made the rounds here as mini copy/pastes. I put it all together in one thread. Enjoy!

Human experimentation:


More recent happenings that never got enough attention

Big Pharma:

Science Whistleblowers and information about little known problems in science:

  • "Reproducibility in science is not very sexy. Because our scientific culture generally rewards innovation over cautiousness, replicating a study conducted by others will not get a researcher a publication in a high-end journal, a splashy headline in a newspaper, or a large funding grant from the government. Only an estimated [0.15% of all published results are direct replications of previous studies.](http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/reproduce-or-bust

The Skripals case?

The War on Drugs is the first that comes to mind. Basically the government's trump card to jail whoever they want, mostly black men, but it's still supported by our government and a lot of the population.

Fun fact: The Harrison Act was passed as simply more regulatory market legislation for what was seen as a troublesome opium market, and then the police and politicians started enforcing it as a drug ban due to one provision in the Act.

Just another way for the federal government to seize power over it's citizens. But most people have been sold that it's a simply punitive measure for a legitimate crime.

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The war on drugs is a war on people and has caused only harm. It was set in place to have more control over people and disrupt political movements and yes jail who they want.

I personally believe that it was mostly done because some drugs allow you to think more freely and take a new prespective on things. Your government didn’t like that because they don’t want you to have your own toughts. I am mainly reffering to psychedelics because it is true they can open up your mind and body and connect you to yourself in ways alot people really need these days.

Its getting better everyday, thanks to the internet people now know the real risks and effects of drugs and turns out alcohol is worse then most if not all of them health wise. I am for Decriminalization, legalization and regulation of all drugs.

The grandest ever conspiracy is that one to keep humans believing that we are the cream of the crop of life in the Universe. In order to do that, UFOs must be absolutely denied until the world's population, not just the "enlightened" few nations in control, must be educated into accepting the simple fact that we ain't.

Well, a third building collapsing during 911 is found to be BS when mentioned to people who weren't aware. I have been called a liar and a "Alex Jones type of fan" for mentioning it. Which is ludicrous.

Honestly it IS a conspiracy within itself. Didn't they release documentation last year that aliens exist? I definitely find it interesting on what they choose to release to the public. But yeah. You're talking about the "psychic" who explained what mars looked like, right? It seems like astral travel but at the same time I can't really trust the documents they decide to put out anyways. It's a circus.

Agreed. I hope your depression gets better. I've struggled with it for years and it's terrible in every way shape and form.

Yeah monsanto is definetly not for the greater good of humanity, it was allways profit driven and they went to far. The latest i heard they are now trying to change the soil so only seeds from them will grow, how fucked up is that. And they are also changing their name soon as is common practice in the world of evil corporations.

I'm not surprised at all but for some reason I thought they did that awhile ago. Do you know what their name will be? It's just a dumb idea, to put it in the most basic way, what if one of the seeds weren't healthy and had genetic mutations? Then spraying all their shit with pesticides. As if insects won't become immune to chemicals.

I try to follow along on /r/astralprojection, and even they're a bit too weird sometimes for me. Though, this subreddit can be just as weird at times

You are spoiling the fun

I'm only following this thread because of some perverse want to see some of the stupidest things ever written.