Brett Kavanaugh: "I will not be intimidated into withdrawing from this process. The coordinated effort to destroy my good name will not drive me out. The vile threats of violence against my family will not drive me out. The last- minute character assassination will not succeed."
1 2018-09-29 by omnipresenthuman
355 comments
1 iseeyoubruh 2018-09-29
we are with him.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
SAME
1 3rdperception 2018-09-29
We believe Brett. We believe in due process. The globalist fascist left falsely claim the moral high ground, but they are systematically being exposed.
Let them continue to stall, let's allow more ridiculous allegations to come to the surface. Let's give them all the rope they need.
The truth always wins
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
Does the guy who supports torture get to claim the moral high ground?
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
You didn't read the actual case did you?
Another one sentence prophet from Wikipedia here to tell us all the facts!!!
Look up his actual part in it before you spout lunacy please.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
What case? I’m talking about multiple issues. He refused to comment under oath on whether or not water boarding is torture. On the DC court of appeals he supported indefinite detention of American citizens with little to no evidence. He signed onto a judgment that blocked wrongfully detained prisoners who were tortured from being able to sue the private contractors that tortured them. Unfortunately these proceedings haven’t been transparent enough to know just how involved he was in Bush’s overriding of previously in place torture laws but what we do know is he holds the neocon position on illegal detention and torture everywhere he’s on record.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
The disappearing people section, you read up on it?
You'd see his stance on it if you did, but what you're stating is not his stance. So I'm under the assumption you haven't read it and found your information through news articles released in the last week or on Wikipedia.
In fact, you've kinda bastardized his stance on a few issues. It's a lot easier to destroy a neocon if you just tell the actual truth of their work...or at least it used to when this sub was anti-war.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
https://www.justsecurity.org/60731/rear-admiral-hutson-oppose-kavanaugh-torture/
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I don't think I can speak on that" = supports torture.
I'm done, give me something that's at least a week old and supports the claims purported other than speculation that he will be Trump's lapdog.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
So you didn’t read it. Good research. And that’s a very simple question for anyone to answer: is water boarding torture? Yes. Next question.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
What did Kavanaugh say when asked that?
I quoted that part of the article you sent you silly ass child. You're making a speculation with your last two sentences without providing evidence he plans to Kickstart Trump's torture program.
Find me information before this week that discusses his record with the Bush administration. I've seen a good chunk thanks to a post I made searching for the information.
You are quoting Trump and attributing it to Kavanaugh, like you see that. Now connect the two with sources that basically state that he is planning to start the program.
Like I said. I will wait, but if you jerk me around again, I won't stand by and listen to the speculation and fear laden theories of yours.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
Let me ask you this: if a man was placed under oath and asked “is child molestation bad?” And he answered by saying “I don’t think I can speak on that?” what would you think of that?
And you are very worked up. Lots of name calling and personal attacks. No wonder you like Kavanaugh. You seem to be as defensive and hysterically temperamental as he is.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
I'm not worked up, I'm confused by your blathering.
Was he asked that during the hearing? And was it relevant to the Ford accusation? I've quoted it from an article and your article didn't state it was from the hearing.
Dude I don't give a shit about Kavanaugh lol, you just haven't proved any of the claims you've set out to prove. You've just set up hypotheticals? You have to actually prove shit to prove a conspiracy theory.
Don't say I'm worked up, I actually don't care for this conversation. Answer the shit you set out to answer or don't expect a reply back. I don't have to spend the time engaging with you lol, I'm just surprised how ignorant you are and like seeing how deep it goes.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
Ha.. nice 5 paragraphs to say how much you don’t care and how much you aren’t worked up... sad.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
I'm not going to answer your non-answers lol, that's not how debates work. I asked you something and stated that I would like more information to which you started asking a hypothetical question about child molestation (to which you assumed I support pizzagater/Trump supporter with that)
You have still refrained from answering or providing evidence to your original claim.
So answer first and then I'll entertain your silly shit. I'll answer all your hypothetical questions and moral quandaries, as long as you provide evidence to your original claim like I've asked for continually.
Until then, I'm just going to to assume this is a troll sent to waste my time and will treat it as such.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-09-29
The truth is Kavanaugh is against abortion rights and has a horrific environmental record. He acts like a chauvinist and has *four* very credible charges of sexual assault against him by professional women who have a ton to lose by bringing such claims forward.
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Let's find a better human being for this lifetime appointment.
1 3rdperception 2018-09-29
lol not even going to bother trying to counter this. Go smoke some more weed
1 legalize-drugs 2018-09-29
Right, I wonder why the troll "won't bother to respond."
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Because your read of the issue is different than anyone who is moderate and/or right leaning.
He won't respond because he knows you'll repeat your original comment ad nauseum. It's a game now, don't you see what we've created in this shithole together?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-09-29
No, my post just stated basic facts. Your post completely lacked substance. Who are you trolling on behalf of?
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
It's a fact that Kavanaugh believes Trump's above the law? How would you even know that? If it's not an assumption or speculation I'd prefer you show your work.
Also, I've heard the rumor he is against roe vs Wade, but haven't seen the information from him to corroborate that, however I've seen buttons on protestors saying it.
You should seriously listen to yourself when you spew blatant bullshit, or provide sources to those 'facts' you think you speak.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-09-29
Removed. Rule 10.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Is there a theory here? This dude is a loser.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
which dude
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
The crybaby judge.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Here is link of all the loser things he has done https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/nominations/supreme/pn2259-115
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Word. I'm not conservative so I'm not a fan of this guy. And the rape stuff doesnt really help his case.
1 Rocksolid1111 2018-09-29
Are you a fan of Pokemon? Pokemon Duel to be exact?
1 Rocksolid1111 2018-09-29
Are you a fan of Pokemon?
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
No, why did you delete your last comment and then ask the same question.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Understood. I am also not a fan of rape. I am a fan of due process. If someone accused you or I for raping someone and we did not do it. How would you like it if everyone just assumed you did it only because someone said you did it? Even when accuser's witness said it didn't happen. It wouldn't be too cool. Think of what kind of chaos we would have if we took everyone for their word. Show me a person who has never lied in their life. Hate the man for who or what he is. Don't hate him because someone says you should. Basically that's what's going on here. That's just my opinion. Does not make me right or wrong. Does not make you right or wrong. We just see things different on this matter, respectfully
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
I understand the skepticism but I find it hard to believe that 3 or 4 women would accuse him. I also found it hard to believe Cosby was a rapist until enough stories came out. Look, I know Democrats are milking this for all they got. But the last supreme court nomination didnt get this. If Democrats hired people to make this all up then why not the first guy? I dont think those ladies are lying. I think the dude is a creep.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
I can respect your opinion. I believe most of those women have turned out to be frauds. This is a tactic the democrats have done on many occasions. Your right the last nomination didn't get this treatment. The last nomination did not put the Supreme Court in favor of the conservatives. This is a big deal. These judges hold their positions for a long time. The democrats would be basically stuck if and when he gets approved. If you think back to Clarence Thomas , the same tactic was used on him and it failed. Check out Fords 17 go fund me accounts. This is how people are paid off. They have been doing it this way for awhile. Crises actors, etc. This is how it's done. I checked it out last night. How many people make a donation of 10,000, 5,000 or 1,000. Sure there are people that do it. I found the same people making the same large dollar amount donations several times. 4,5,6 times. I saw one do it 12 times. This is in the last 7 days. Sorry , people in the world just don't function that way. They don't want to take the time unless they are getting something out of it. 1 large donation, sure, 5 large donations in 7 days, waste of time . Why not do in in one day? Large amount donations get attention
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
I gotcha. I just disagree. I dont think this is manufactured. Gorsuch got by just fine. He wasnt a creep. I think Kavanaugh just might be a creep. That's my opinion, but I can respect yours.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
Gorsuch was replacing a conservative judge, Kavanaugh will be replacing a moderate judge. Only this nomination will change the slant of the SC, I don't think the two can be compared like that.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Let's face it. We are talking about the swamp. They are all creeps. It's all about who is the biggest creep and who is not. I disagree, but that is your opinion and I respect it and fully support you on making it. Maybe next time we will both agree. I'm sure we already do on some things. We just haven't talked about it yet. Life go on. Hat tip to you for keeping this a civil conversation. Very rare these days. I do appreciate it. I enjoy a conversation with smart people even if we do not reach the same conclusions.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Hey same to you man. I'm pretty sure the guy is gonna get confirmed anyway. This is kinda payback for the Democrats because Mitch stalled a supreme court nomination for a whole fuckin year. So we are trying to do the same and hope to take more seats so we can keep stalling. I know its lame but politics is a bitch. Anyway, take care man and good luck to you guys.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Because the first guy was a moderate replacing a moderate. This is a conservative coming in, the Dems biggest enemy.
1 legalize-drugs 2018-09-29
I don't lie. Most people I know don't lie. Kavanaugh clearly lies. Four witness with very believable testimony... come on, man.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Which lies are clear to you?
1 legalize-drugs 2018-09-29
That he doesn't remember the alleged incidents, for starters. The Young Turks has been covering this well; check out their coverage, with video of the hearings. And watch Ford's testimony, if you have a chance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMfETp5w3w
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
The Young Turks?? Help me out here. What is the equally unacceptable source from the other side? Are you going to cite Snopes next?
1 jamisonglory 2018-09-29
I mean, i wouldn't remember something someone else made up/fabricated.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
The witnesses she provided said it never happened. Correct, very believable testimony. I don't lie either. I might understand something incorrectly and go on that, but no , like you, I don''t lie. I do not see how you can come to the conclusion that Kavanaugh clearly lies. Compare this link to anyone else you know. Show me a reason to think he lies. Something beside your opinion. Although I do respect your opinion and your right to use it. Here is the link https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/nominations/supreme/pn2259-115
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
This is pretty dumb to say, because it isn't clear at all. He seems like a choir boy, straight shooter to me.
1 AgainstCensoring 2018-09-29
You raped me and several others here. They will comment soon accusing you of rape. Surely you will be demanding an FBI investigation into yourself immediately. You rapist.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
When did it become a liberal position that you call people crybabies when they show emotion? "Real men don't cry" is such a stereotypical, sexist redneck stance that I'm having trouble taking you seriously.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
One guy saying something doesn't make it a "liberal thing." That'd be like me saying "when did it become a conservative position to call sexual assault victims lying skanks" because some conservative Fox News contributor did that the other day.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Except liberal media and liberal posters have made a big deal about how cringe it is that the man cried during his testimony. It is so opposite of what I was raised to believe was a liberal stance that I understand why normal people are walking away.
1 weak_oil 2018-09-29
Can you link to some liberal media that's done that?
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Take a step of you high horse dude. I made fun of a guy who looked like a bumbling idiot. You would do the same if you didnt love the guy.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I don't "love" the guy but I agree with OP that you people think it is ok to make fun of a man crying for himself, family and country. I thought men were allowed to cry now.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
My bad I didnt realize people were so sensitive.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I doubt that statement. Your hypocrisy rings true tho.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Where was the hypocrisy again?
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Happens on this sub all day, except the lowbrow conservative jokes seem to get 20-40 upvotes on average to the others.
There's a real aisle blindness in this sub, and the only ones who pretend it doesn't exist are these left leaning users.
Both parties don't talk, they seek dirt and fight now.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Whenever the person they're attacking has been labeled the enemy...it's why they can call em crybabies, retards, and other silly things that damage the soul of their idealogy.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
You thought it was cool when the guy was crying his eyes out trying to defend himself?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
"Cool" in what sense? I appreciate that he is human and had gone through 30+ hours of testimony while being falsely accused of something that has been so detrimental to his family and himself for this ridiculous racket that the dems are pushing. A normal person should fucking cry. For fucks sake, he's dedicated his life to enabling true due process for accusers and defendants alike because he believes in the order of law and he ends up being the one that suffers the worst for the failings of the system- on a public stage.
Only a moron would not cry.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I would be crying if that were me. Watching what a mockery of democracy this all is is enough to make a good person of either gender break down. Fuck. Half these people think it's cool to let your son pretend he's a girl and get him on hormones!
If Judge K was in a dress and sobbing theatrically as a trans could we make fun of him?
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Cool, you clearly like the guy for political reasons. I dont for the same reason. And I think the accusations are valid. So to me he looked like a child trying to defend himself.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
Ah, so you don't require any evidence for an accusation so long as you don't like the person's politics. Sounds great!
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Theres a good amount of evidence here and Ford was super credible during the hearing.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
She doesn't remember before or after, the people she says were there say they weren't and her own family that lives in the neighborhood won't vouch for her or show up with her at court. What do you find credible?
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Her testimony was super credible. Amd now the FBI is investigating. So good luck champ. I'm doubtful he lasts past this week.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
"Super credible"
Funny how there wasn't two doors at the Safeway that she told about back then. Also weird that she doesn't remember how she got to a party that no one else remembers. Also strange that she is a doctor in psychology and has never had a conversation about passing a polygraph test.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
I know it's super frustrating when you're a big Q fan because absolutley nobody has gotten arrested like he promised. But chill out man. Kavanaugh is a bitch and it's hilarious that you're defending him so hard.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Have I brought Q into this? Can you please respond to my comment without sliding me. This feels like virtual rape and I ask that you stop it.
I will present you my comment again so that you can redeem yourself and respond as a normal human:
"Super credible"
Funny how there wasn't two doors at the Safeway that she told about back then. Also weird that she doesn't remember how she got to a party that no one else remembers. Also strange that she is a doctor in psychology and has never had a conversation about passing a polygraph test.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Hahahahahahaha
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
So, you've worn out? I won?
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
You can keep going if you like.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
No need. You showed your cards and I'm off shift now. The Russians don't like to pay overtime.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Gotcha, take care pimp.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
She doesn't remember when it happened. She doesn't remember where it happened. She doesn't remember who all was there. All witnesses she has named have denied or contradicted her story.
Could you please show me this "evidence" and explain what you mean by "credible?"
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
The downvotes are cute. I dont remember every high school party either. But I would certainly remember when somebody tried to rape me.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
"Cute".
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
That's right.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
So you would remember the where, when, and who if you were subjective to sexual assault? Because Ford couldn't remember anything about it.
I don't know why you're getting upset with downvotes, has nothing to do with me. Although, you do have a history of enjoying accusations without evidence.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
You clearly are downvoting all my comments which is hilarious. I'm not insecure enough to reciprocate. But Ford gave a credible testimony and the FBI is going to investigate. We'll see what happens.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
I haven't downvoted a single one of your comments, actually. Someone else could be, and whoever that is is immature.
I see that you're a student of the Democrat playbook though. You clearly cannot defend your argument or explain how a testimony where Ford could not remember the time, place, or participants is credible. Therefore you make up an allegation accusing me if downvoting your comments with no evidence to support your claim.
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Ooooo scary Democrats.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
A loser who is being appointed to the SCOTUS. I'd love to see your accomplishments compared to his rofl. Fuckin Reddit man, so amusing.
1 DontTreadOnMe16 2018-09-29
Wow...
1 UnderCoverGigolo 2018-09-29
Go ahead and answer if you like.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Did he say when he worked at the Safeway? That’s the key to pinning down the date of the party in question. The rest of this doesn’t matter. The FBI will focus on corroborating the claims from Ford.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
The FBI will focus on the easiest thing to catch him or any other on. Perjury. Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Perjury is definitely the riskiest trap but it starts with a timeline. That was the basis of the R attack and effort to discredit. Ford set the seed to define the date with the Judge encounter at the Safeway? he worked at during a summer. That would zero in on the date of the party and would require witnesses to confirm or deny something more specific, then it’s easier to catch people in lies. Generic dates are easily brushed off with I don’t recall.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
You are correct in that is one way to go about it but, that would require more manpower, more time and a witness. So far Fords witnesses have not helped if not hindered. I think it would be far easier to hold a mans life in front of him, which they basically do with his documents, minutes from the hearings or any other thousands of documents they have on him and catch him in a lie. They wouldn't even have to reserve a parking place. Remember that all it takes to be a lie is one word. It could be a simple"me" instead of "we" or something along the lines of when he was being asked if he had talked to anyone that worked for that law firm. I don't recall it's name. Anything trivial can be used. Far easier to catch a mentally stressed out person than looking for a unknown witness . Respectfully
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Nothing about this is easy and I doubt it will produce anything concrete. The only thing that will push it forward is zeroing in on the actual date. The crumb to do that that was put on the record i.e. the uncomfortable encounter with Judge at his summer job.
Regardless of the outcome the various senators will have to make a risk call, suffer the Trump core revolt or the flip floppy independent. Right now that’s a coin toss and could go either way based on the interviews or any new revelations.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
It will be interesting to find out what happens. There is really no way to be for sure. It is the swamp we are talking about. i do appreciate the conversation. It's a nice change from what I've experienced here on Reddit Hat Tip to you. Looking forward to our next conversation. Time to earn a living.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
No doubt. See you around and have a good weekend.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Right back at you. Have a good weekend
1 WTCMolybdenum4753 2018-09-29
More like the holes in her tall tale will be further exposed.
• Isn’t it a fact that you don’t know where or when this purported assault happened?
• Isn’t it a fact that you can’t tell us how you got there?
• You just know the house was several miles from your home, but it is a fact, is it not, that you can’t tell us how you got home?
• You’ve told us that you were terrified running out of the house after the attack, but you can’t tell us who rescued you and drove you away?
• You remember 36 years ago that you had exactly one beer at the party, you remember hearing your alleged attackers go downstairs, you remember exactly the route you took to get out of the house, yet you can’t tell us what happened after you left the house?
• So, you’re sure the party happened, but you can’t say when it happened, you can’t say where it happened, you don’t know how you got there, you don’t know how you got home, and every person you’ve identified as a witness says that they have no memory of the party and that they never saw Brett Kavanaugh act the way you’ve described, isn’t that right?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/republicans-should-not-have-delayed-the-kavanaugh-vote/
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
That’s quite possible but you have to account for others actually confirming parts of her story once they are across from an FBI agent.
And if they can zero in on the timeline it will put more pressure on those secondary (and primary) witnesses.
1 WTCMolybdenum4753 2018-09-29
As opposed to these "others" who were already contacted by the MSM and offered money for their stories? Being contacted by law enforcement will now loosen their lips? Good luck with that
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
If that’s true then sure it will come out. But the fact they were pushing for a broader investigation from the beginning certainly isn’t in line with them bribing them beforehand.
They only side resisting a formal investigation was Kavanaugh’s side. They seem to fear official statements more.
1 WTCMolybdenum4753 2018-09-29
What?
What?
lol I guess it probably looks that way to the uninformed
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Come on. Everything that’s public is just the standard I don’t recall drivel. He dodged anything specific in the hearing but that won’t be possible with the FBI.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Did he say he worked at Safeway?
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Ford referenced a parking lot meeting 6 weeks after with Judge at his summer job. I believe it was Safeway but it may have been something else. Regardless she gave the name of his summer job to put a time reference on the party.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
I believe that "Mark" worked at Safeway.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Yes. Ford said that they met at his workplace.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Dude is guilty. If he gets on the court, I will forever hate Republicans and will never ever vote for one again. Ever. It is despicable what they are doing.
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
Guilty of what?
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Drinking heavily in high school and college and lying to Congress about it. Maaaaaaybe even sexual assault, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions on that one.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
He drank a lot of beer as a kid and said as much. Often. When did he lie?
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Lying about remembering everything from nights he would get obliterated.
1 ansultares 2018-09-29
He didn't say that. He said he didn't blackout.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Which was a lie. Anyone who has ever drank as much as he said he did has blacked out. Especially if he was 17.
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
Posted from the office of Diane Feinstein.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
What? You're not making any sense to me.
1 PM_me_storytime 2018-09-29
He’s calling you a shill. Isn’t that against the rules?
1 DonnaGail 2018-09-29
Wrong.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Says you? Please.
1 DonnaGail 2018-09-29
Not everyone blacks out.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm aware. Thanks for your professional input.
1 TheRisenOsiris 2018-09-29
Are you? Because you seem to be 100% sure that he did and is lying about it.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I don't think 100%, but his actions make me believe he did. Someone is lying, and Ford has nothing to gain in doing so but BK has everything to lose.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Ok, how do you know that? How can you speak so authoritatively on a matter? You a drink expert?
Just because God rolled a constitution score of 8 for you doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
God did nothing for me. He doesn't even exist.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
can't recognize pop culture and/or humor.
Should have guessed based on your no nonsense every man is guilty of rape mentality.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
That's not my mentality. And I never once said he was guilty of rape. I THINK he MAY be. That's not my judgment to make.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Didn't stop talking from spreading it though.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
What?
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Oh sorry, Didn't stop 'you' from spreading it though.
I missed the word "you", is English your first language or third?
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm about to. Just got out of the shower. Of course I had to see your response because I wasn't sure what point you were trying to make. English is my 1st. Unfortunately I was born and raised in America. But what exactly am I spreading? I didn't say he was guilty of rape or sexual assault once. I said he might be but that he is most definitely a liar and guilty of something. That's it.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
He may not be guilty of this! By God damnit he is guilty of something!!
You and Nixon apparently..
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Remember when everyone said trump wasn't guilty of having an affair with Stormy? Well gosh, the denial was strong there. Seems that he lied. But everyone is so quick to deny that Fords accusations could be real. Maybe this time you should consider it might be the fucking truth for once.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Apples and oranges.
I never doubted the sleazeball in Chief slept with a pornstar.
How about you prove something, anything, and perhaps I'll start leaning your way and see 'your' truth. You've shown me you're nothing but a partisan sycophant thus far, but I'm still waiting for a glimmer of something other than an accusation that even her chosen witnesses don't remember lol.
1 loco1876 2018-09-29
we get it your crazy
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
And not rape, just sexual assault.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Last accuser bumped it up. Where ya been?
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
Why are you unable to understand that not everyone who drinks beer gets blackout drunk and sexually assaults girls? Seems like projecting more than anything else. No evidence has been provided showing guilt of sexual assault, and all of Ford's witnesses have contradicted her story.
What I'm hearing from you is that you need no evidence to believe an allegation as long as you disagree with the defendant's politics. I fear for the future of this country.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm not unable. And I'm not projecting. I also never said he was guilty of sexual assault but that he might be. Why can't people just read my comment and not twist my words? I need evidence before I accuse someone of something that serious. I said he was guilty of lying about his drinking, and he's probably lying about other stuff, but I never said he was guilty of the assault.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
So you don't understand that it's possible to drink beer and not blackout? Especially since he has a weak stomach and was not able to drink very much before vomiting? Seems consistent to me.
1 Adamarama 2018-09-29
Exactly- the guy lied several times, not just about drinking but about the meanings of things in his year book. He lied under oath, even if he didn’t commit the assault that alone should disqualify him from the Supreme Court. His whole testimony showed him to be a terrible choice for that position and that’d be true even if he didn’t have multiple sexual assault allegations against him.
1 jamisonglory 2018-09-29
I've never blacked out, and have drank quite heavily. Your absolutist statement is silly and incorrect.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
From beer? Is it even possible to get blackout drunk from beer?
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I've blacked out from beer.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Blacked out or passed out? Honestly, in all my experience I've only known people to puke and fall asleep from too much beer. I've never in my 50 years seen someone blackout from beer and be capable of raping someone without knowing or remembering it.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Just because you don't know anyone personally or haven't seen it yourself doesn't mean it doesn't happen. When people binge drink and do lots of keg stands/beer bongs and play drinking games like beer pong or quarters some people black out. I do.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
I'm waiting for a fit, healthy male to show us that he can get blackout drunk from beer and not be simply puking. A 97 lb female that hasn't eaten, is coming down with the flu and is about to start menstruating? Sure, maybe. But there simply is not enough alcohol in beer to blackout a (160?) lb male that is healthy. Check the blood alcohol charts.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I disagree. And your example is disgusting. Why even bring menstruating into it? If he has never blacked out, why wouldn't he just say no? Instead he decided to ask a senator if she ever blacked out. He was a mess up there. Someone's word is only as good as they way they defend it. I just don't believe him.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Science is disgusting now? Hormonal changes due to regular menstrual cycles can influence the way alcohol is metabolized greatly. As does weight, how much food you've consumed, medication you're on, whether you are fighting a virus, even race.
I went to high school with a couple really tiny Filapino girls that were sisters and they could definitely get falling down stupid drunk at a regular house party. But that isn't Kav or other size/weight/health males that we're talking about.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Not science, just the way you worded it in your original comment. Like little menstrating girls are the only ones who black out from binge drinking beer. I don't disagree that its tougher for an active Male to get black out drunk, but that doesn't make it impossible.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Well, I don't like how you just worded "little, menstruating girls." Size, weight and menstruating are just human body things and how the impact your ability to black out on beer is just chemistry and science.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm aware of all that. But watch a guy bong 6 beers in a row, puke, can't talk correctly, and tell me that he will remember every little detail from that night. I call bullshit. We don't even know HOW MUCH he drank and if it was just beer anyways. Do we know he didn't have anything other than that? I put more of my beliefs on position of this matter into the testimonies and the way they both behaved before I would undoubtedly believe anything that he denied or she accused. Actions speak much greater volumes than words.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
You are a science-denier when it suits your feels. We get it.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Nope. I don't deny science. But you clearly seem to know just exactly how much alcohol BK drank and whether or not he blacked out. You say he can't off beer, I simply disagree. If you provided me with evidence that it's just not physically possible for a man his size and shape then I wouldn't deny it. But even with that evidence, it would only lead me to believe that he wasn't blacked out when he assaulted her. That he only did it because he's a piece of shit. Either way doesn't look good for him. And I haven't fully committed to believing that he is guilty but what I've seen and heard leads me to believe he did.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
You don't even have credible evidence that he was there.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Typically, when bonging beers then immediately puking, the alcohol does not have time to be metabolized by the body. Basically it just sort of cancels it out, by rejecting it. This is how you can maintain a buzz without getting super blasted drunk.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Please excuse my choice of using the word immediately. Being so drunk a person is puking their guts everywhere almost always implies that person is wasted.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
True enough. Wasted, but not capable of rape. Puking and passed out.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I didn't say he raped anyone.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
But you are saying that he is a piece of shit because he is lying about being a blackout drunk on beer because you've been blacked out on beer?
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Not necessarily. Many people intentionally make themselves puke to keep from getting too wasted. Seen it happen many many times. It’s 8pm, drunk already, band doesn’t start until 11? Puke it out and start over.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I've actually done that before a long long time ago. But to drink more. But if it's already metabolized puking it out won't lower your blood alcohol level, will it?
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Not totally, no.
1 IanPhlegming 2018-09-29
But extremely unlikely. She's the one who was wasted and doesn't remember clearly, that much is clear in and of itself. She can't remember shit!
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Clearly? You must be blind and deaf.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Wait! Now you are going after blind and deaf people???? And more anti-science from you. Science tells us that a blind or deaf person would have more reliable perception than someone with full 6 senses in a situation like Ford presents.
You people need more Science in your lives before you try to argue a serious subject like this.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Cool.
1 loco1876 2018-09-29
you sound retarded
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Just because you don't know anyone personally or haven't seen it yourself doesn't mean it doesn't happen. When people binge drink and do lots of keg stands/beer bongs and play drinking games like beer pong or quarters some people black out. I do.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
So by that same argument, that doesn’t mean everyone blacks out while drinking mass quantities of beer. Just because you do, doesn’t mean others do too.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I didn't say that everyone did.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
But your implying he must have, because he was a drinker.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And I wasn't intending to imply anything. I'm just saying it's possible. We don't even know he only drank beer. What I want to say is none of us know what BK drank, or even how much he consumed.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Fair enough. We don’t know. We only can go by what he and the others there have said.
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Are you on any SSRI’s by chance? Not suppose to drink while taking those, ya know.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
Nope. I don't even know what those are but I'm sure Google could tell me
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
Anti depressants
1 Adamarama 2018-09-29
He lied when he said Devil’s Triangle is a drinking game for one. Everyone knows it’s a threesome with 2 straight guys and a girl. That’s what it means and has always meant and he lied under oath about it even though he knows everyone knows he’s lying. The sheer fucking elitism and arrogance of it. I genuinely think all the people supporting him must be brainwashed or are being paid because it makes no sense why anyone would want that guy on the Supreme Court, not if you’re not part of the so-called elite. I mean, people just can’t have that little self respect to think someone like that deserves to make important decisions about things that could affect your life and the lives of people you love. The partisan bias stuff has gone way way too far when people are clinging to a vile specimen like this. You all know he’s vile, you all know he’d shove over your Granny if they were both going for the last slice of cake because he’s that entitled, you know he lied under oath, you know he has no actual respect for the law or the American people but you’ll defend him anyway just because he’s on ‘your team’ Grow some integrity for fuck’s sake!
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Learn paragraphs, child. I've no idea what you children have co-opted our drinking game names from 40 years to mean now, but I'm 100% certain that devils triangle was a fast paced quarters game with the three (usually guys,) people that won quarters.
Christ, slow dancing to Journey was the highlight back then. And I was a "bad girl".
1 FoxKnight06 2018-09-29
Perjury, he lied under oath by republicans OWN admissions and his he should be impeached from his current position and removed from nomination.
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
Anyone saying he is guilty raped me.
1 mastigia 2018-09-29
You can't just throw around baseless rape accusations for every little thing people do that makes you uncomfortable...oh wait
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
Interesting comment coming from you, daddy.
1 AIsuicide 2018-09-29
Remember that time you raped me?
I do
1 accountingisboring 2018-09-29
I was there. Got raped too.
1 AIsuicide 2018-09-29
Here's the part where I release a "very detailed account" of the incident to the WaPo ending with a statement that I never reported it because I was too ashamed and afraid....but I did tell friends about it over the years and I'm pretty sure I mentioned your name to them.
Now I wait for my story to be corroborated.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
OH NO!!! THIS LOOKS LIKE THE DEBILS TRIANGLE I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT!!
1 mastigia 2018-09-29
Oh, so it was a homosexual party? Can't recall, but I'll take your word for it.
1 AIsuicide 2018-09-29
One word - "chaps"
1 mastigia 2018-09-29
shit.
1 RealLifePolygamist 2018-09-29
Just another swamp creature
1 jubway 2018-09-29
When you stop and think about it, there are 4 scenarios/outcomes here.
1) The women are lying and there is an investigation: They are found to be lying, they are arrested, and Kavanaugh gets his name cleared and a seat on the SC.
2) The women are lying but there is no investigation: Kavanugh is pushed through to the court, but a permanent cloud hangs over his reputation because of the unanswered questions and the women can make millions in book deals.
3) Kavanaugh is lying and there is an investigation: The truth is found and he is impeached from his current seat and the women get closure.
4) Kavanaugh is lying but there is no investigation: Kavanaugh gets pushed through to the court and the women have ruined their lives all for naught.
Of those 4, when there is an investigation the liars lose. When their isn't, the liars win. So why is it Kavanaugh doesn't want an investigation?
1 yellowsnow2 2018-09-29
5) everyone is lying, there is an investigation, but no one can prove or disprove a claim that happened 3 decades ago.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Yep, and the cloud of doubt will remain.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Which in the end, amounts to squat. Clouds don't decide cases.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Would have been a great line if this was an actual trial, but why would I expect conspiracy users to understand that.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
I mean that a cloud amounts to nothing relative to a confirmed supreme court justice's authority to decide cases. The Republicans won the right to appoint this judge when they won dominant positions in all three branches of government. No one cares about a cloud in the end.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
You obviously haven't heard Biden's statements on this exact scenario in 91.
I was paraphrasing him, and he fasho cared about a cloud of doubt.
I've realized that the users who are on conspiracy have no memory of political actions before 2001, and that's a really troubling issue.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Why are they significant at this point?
What did that amount to?
That's nothing but a grandiose hyperbole.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
If you literally don't know what they are or what they are about, perhaps look. Then you can easily see how this is significant to this exact scenario and case. Or you could just keep talking out of your ass, which is fine.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-fbi-does-not-reach-conclusions-in-sexual-misconduct-investigations-joe-biden-said-in-1991
It isn't hyperbole when you prove my point when you asked how an FBI investigation into a supreme Court nominee in 91 isn't significant to the exact same scenario happening in 2018.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
I'm saying that something Joe Biden's dumb ass said almost 30 years ago doesn't amount to anything significant historically. Just because you remember it doesn't mean that it has any relevance to the topic at hand.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Like I said, which you've proved yet again.
Did you know what Biden was referencing? Answer that in the next comment to prove you're able to read and have comprehension. Typing it out may make you realize how similar to two events are.
However, something Ford said 36 years ago doesn't amount to anything significant...I can just say shit like that too. Just because I say it doesn't make it true though and you know that.
Don't be so petulant if you're unfamiliar with history, it's a learning experience for us all.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
I've heard the press claim that there is a cloud over Clarence Thomas, but I haven't noticed it and if it does exist, it hasn't amounted to anything.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
You sir, are ignorant and I honestly do not care for your opinions on the matter on what amounts to what. Thank you for your comment though.
A cloud of doubt is the phrase and Biden was right about it then. Just like the same applies here, regardless of your understanding or mental facilities.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
Oh, because Biden said something about a completely abstract idea, it must be true! Ok bud, have fun with your cloud that nobody will notice and will have no effect on anything.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Oh wow? Still spouting nonsense?
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
Haha no need to get upset
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Lol, don't assume I'm upset.
You're just a bit of a goon.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
Ad hom means you lost the argument and shows that you’re upset about it, which you are proving once again with more ad hom
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
You've beaten me by calling me angry, yet I have no clue what your argument even is...but sure man you've won. I'll even give you an upvote.😂
1 ogrelin 2018-09-29
How do you think “the truth” of an event over 30 years ago that the alleged victim’s own witnesses have denied knowledge of? The way I see this situation, it’s basically her word against his. Here’s the two options that I could see happen (with results of any possible investigation confirming either way being a near impossibility): a-he gets through and the accusers disappear into ancient memory with the occasional complaint from dems or b-he doesn’t get confirmed and the accusers disappear. Either way, I don’t expect anything to keep coming from accusers after the decision is made. In my view, regardless of either lying, and I say this because of the timing, this is a political move 100% to attempt to influence the mid terms. These accusations are absolutely not about finding justice for the alleged victims. As was said during the hearings, and I really don’t see many people bring this up, in Maryland there is no statute of limitations for felony sexual offenses. Why hasn’t this option been followed?
1 mastigia 2018-09-29
Where did he say he doesn't want an investigation? I like how everyone pretends they don't know exactly what is going on here.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
He never said he didn't want an investigation. He, like Ford, left it to the committee.
I think he would have been pleased to have a thorough investigation the day Ford sent the letter to Feinstein and began this circus.
1 JamesColesPardon 2018-09-29
...in July.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He used "leaving it to the committee," a committee he knew wasn't going to call for an investigation, as a way of avoiding answering the question.
You would think that he would want to have his name cleared, but this entire confirmation process has been Republicans constantly and consistently ignoring precedence because they are (for some strange reason) desperate to get him on the bench as soon as possible.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Are you that daft? The real question is why the dems sat on this until the 11th hour. If they had something, they had since July to investigate. Why didn't they?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Because Ford didn't want her life put on center stage but when it became clear that the Republicans weren't going to do their job, she finally relented and gave Feinstein permission.
It was even confirmed Thursday that Ford reached out with the information before Kavanaugh even got the nomination.
So are you that daft? You can't see that the Republicans know Kavanaugh is dirty, that's why they are rushing, because the longer he is scrutinized the more obvious it becomes.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Let me ask you something, all politics aside. If you truly believed that is Kavanaugh was your assailant, wouldn't you have told the FBI before Dianne Feinstein if you weren't politically motivated?
Another thing that I don't see addressed very often, do you believe her testimony as an "experimental psychologist" that she never has had a conversation about how to beat a polygraph test?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Personally, if Kavanaugh had assailed me, it would have been known since high school. But that's the difference between now and the early 80's, men and women. Ford had spent decades of her life building her own career/reputation. If she could have avoided coming forward at all, she would have. But now, she will not be remembered for what she has done with her life, but for what happened to her when she was a teen.
Why do you think she would have? Do you think polygraphs were a large portion of her study? To be honest, I wasn't sure why the prosecutor went down that line of questioning anyway.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Welp, Kavanaugh was a nerdy, academic/sports kid that was true to his family traditions and didn't want to get laid until he was in love, so move on from your fever dream.
Yeah. I was a sophomore in highschool when this unsubstantiated party went down. In Ford's first letter she said "everyone knew about it" and she recanted. You know why? Because people didn't even talk about this. This was when rape victims got what they deserved because their skirts were too short. She lied that "everyone talked about it".
Ford had spent decades of her life building her own career/reputation.
Again, her own family and best friends from the DC community didn't show up to sit behind her. And her career belies her testimony on several key points. She's either the worst experimental psychologist or a supreme liar.
I imagine that it was purging herself saying she's never had a conversation about how to beat a polygraph, don't you?
Because the prosecutor knows she's a liar?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Kavanaugh is/was a functional alcoholic. He presents a "choir boy" image for official records, because that's what he was raised to do, but off the record, he was a drunken jock. That was confirmed to be the case in college too.
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
And everyone knew about Kavanaugh's drinking and his antics when drunk. It has been confirmed numerous times by numerous people.
Where do you keep getting this "experimental psychologist" stuff from? She is a professor and a research psychologist. Go look up her actual background instead of regurgitating whatever BS t_d is spreading.
"Purging" herself? Are you trying to say perjuring herself? Because, no, that would involve her lying like Kavanaugh did.
The prosecutor was brought in to try and damage Ford's credibility. She failed to do that.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
When do we start getting to diagnose people publicly without evidence? There is a standard that shows if someone is an alcoholic- has he lost jobs, family, dui, jail?? And "functional" is putting it lightly. Have you achieved anything close to what this person has? Do you really think alcohol is a big, negative factor in his life?
This was when rape victims got what they deserved because their skirts were too short.
<>What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Do you have a problem with me telling you how it was then? I was there. Do you really need /s to follow along?
Yeah. He hung out with the guys after school/sports. Antics? Tell me more.
In her own bio you will see her education. Don't be pedantic.
Likely a funny text correct.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
No, I have morals, so I never achieved anything close to what Kavanaugh has done. I also wasn't sent to an expensive prep school, then sent to Yale, and given connections to powerful people in conservative circles. I had to work to get to where I am.
To have that mindset shows that you are a very disturbed individual. Rape is never "getting what they deserve." It doesn't matter how short someone's skirt is, rape is always wrong.
More was told. The adventures of Bart O'Kavanaugh (which Kavanaugh avoided answering), his yearbook page, other stories from other people who knew him at the time. How many Yale classmates have come out in the last few days saying he lied?
Her bio says she is a research psychologist who specializes in statistical models to help ensure accurate conclusions to experiments. And why avoid being pedantic? Why not be correct in your statements?
And like I said, no she was no perjuring herself. Kavanaugh was.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Now I get it. Jealously. Are you also saying there aren't powerful liberal circles?
I'm reporting this. I'm not disturbed. I was giving you an example of how you were exemplifying the climate in the 80's. The disturbing part is that you can't tell history from present.
Do you have something to back this?
Her bio says she studied experimental psychology.
How about that 2nd Safeway door that didn't exist?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Why would I be jealous? If that was the kind of life I wanted to lead then I would be doing so. Sorry, but this line of attack isn't going to work for you.
What are you even trying to say now? First you show your abominable character, now you are trying to say "that's just how things were" as if that makes what you said OK? Seriously, seek professional help.
No proof that you would accept, because it doesn't suit your world view.
That's funny, everything I can find about her says she worked with statistical models. Almost as if you are reading from a source that is trying to make her seem more extreme than she really is.
So the Safeway encounter with Judge has been established and investigators can begin working to determine an more precise time when the party would have occurred?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
What subway encounter? The one with Mark where she met him going in a second door that didn't exist at the time?
1 StefanYellowCurry 2018-09-29
lol how do you know all this stuff about Kavanaugh? accusing the other person of reading too much T_D but where the hell are YOU getting your info from? sounds like you have been reading huff post
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Whats the source on this, please?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
The prosecutor was establishing a timeline of Ford's allegations. She had reached out to her rep on July 6th, Kavanaugh was nominated on July 9th.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
How did you come to this conclusion? Why are you being coy about a source?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/26/christine-blasey-ford-opening-statement-senate-845080
Happy? Should I find YouTube videos of the words being spoken for you too?
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
So you are saying that this was claimed by Ford or that this has been established concretely?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
She said specifically this under oath. Something that investigators could easily confirm. I'd consider that unconfirmed but extremely likely.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
You shouldn't present that as fact if it is still just a claim. That is dishonest and misleading. The appropriate way to convey this would be "Ford claimed..." or "Ford claimed under oath that..." instead of lying and then getting pissy with someone who asked you for a source.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Disprove it then. I have an on-the-record statement backing my stance. What do you have?
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Your claim was dishonest and you have admitted as much. You claimed to know something to be fact, when all you know is that someone claimed it to be fact. Do you understand the difference?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
What is dishonest in my claim? Where I said the prosecutor established the timeline? Because if you read the full transcripts, you'll see that my claim is indeed true.
Has any source tried to dispute when she went to her rep and the WaPo? Well, other than you right now because you know it isn't something a layperson can prove, so you think you might get to score one on "duh liberuls," right?
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
"It was even confirmed Thursday that Ford reached out with the information before Kavanaugh even got the nomination."
That wasn't confirmed, only claimed. Do you understand the difference or not?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
The prosecutor asked her to confirm the timeline, on the record, in front of the whole world, and she did so. If she had been inaccurate, every Fox story, whether to had to do with Kavanaugh or not, would say so in the headline.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
She confirmed what she was claiming. That doesn't confirm the claim. Do you understand the difference or not?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
I absolutely know that Kavanaugh is full of shit. I also know that despite all the republican efforts and smears, there still hasn't been anything found to be untrue in Ford's testimony.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
The point is that you have no idea whether Ford's claim is true, and nothing confirms it other than her own claim. That's is why presenting it as fact is dishonest.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Ask the WaPo or her rep on when Ford contacted them. Until then, I will believe the believable one.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Then say that instead of trying to present your opinion as fact.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
It is a fact that there is an established record of when Blasey Ford contacted her state Rep and the WaPo. That established fact has not been disputed, challenged, or defeated.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
Why didn't you link to that instead of just linking to her claim and stating it as fact?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Her statement on the record, under penalty of perjury, is a fact.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
And in your mind, everything said under oath is true?
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I think he doesn't care one way or another because it is redundant and he knows that we need this seat filled. He also is on the side of the people that don't want appointments held up indefinitely to obstruct democracy because of hoaxes. He also doesn't fully trust that an FBI investigation would be fair sans the obvious political bias that has poisoned that agency.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Held up for a week for an investigation vs held up for a year for partisanship? Yeah, no room to talk regarding seats needing to be filled quickly.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
Biden rule vs. accusing of serial gang rape.
Not comparable. Just stop.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
"it's a drinking game where you take 3 shot glasses... Umm... Set them up in a, uh, triangle, and uh... you ever play quarters? No? Well it's like quarters."
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
Go rethink the point you thought you just made and come back. Thanks.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
You mean where he was establishing in his yearbook how he participated in threesomes? How sober/willing were the girls?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
The fuck??? Devils triangle was a drinking game in the 80's. Imagine a time when there was no internet, no Facebook, no smartphone, no weird viral "eat tide pods" weirdness. How fucking audacious that people here would try to say what party games and lingo meant in the eighties based off your disgusting Urban Dictionary. Your nasty, grinding sex culture truly doesn't apply to teens in the eighties. We drank beer.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Are you intentionally or ignorantly lying?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
I'm recounting my childhood and upbringing and telling you how it was. Where have I said something that you disagree with?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
You don't happen to work in the House of Representatives, do you? Were you the one to update the wiki page for devil's triangle to include Kavanaugh's made-up explanation?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
I was being raped by you while walking my children home from school.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Let's have this investigated then. Please notify your local law enforcement agency or the FBI so that they can investigate. You have my full support.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Sure thing. But I am going to wait until your next job interview.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Statute of limitations. Better you do it right away. MeToo has empowered you my friend, you no longer have to be afraid.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
MeToo is a protect designed to protect the pedophiles.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Are you having a stroke?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
No, why?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Because you are spewing out incoherent garbage.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
So, you don't understand a statement and you ask if they have had a stroke? Is that in earnest, or are you just being deplorable. Obviously you aren't concerned that I may have had a stroke, you just want to demean rather than discuss. I feel raped.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
Its a job interview not a trial. Statute of limitations does not apply. He's just going to make a claim, not provide evidence, and you won't get the job.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Dude, your hopping into a mess you don't want to. This Q person is insane. Which is why I am encouraging him to seek law enforcement for his claim that I raped him.
Y'know, like how an innocent person would welcome an investigation to clear their name.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
He doesn't need law enforcement. All he needs is to accuse you of something, not provide evidence, and you won't get the job.
The "if you have nothing to hide..." argument has never worked. No idea why you're trying to use it here.
An innocent person does not welcome unneeded investigations.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
An innocent person does not resist investigation. And no, the "he just needs to accuse you and you won't get a job" strawman doesn't hold up. Nor would it ever. But by all means, keep spreading the sexist nonsense.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
Yes they do, and especially so when the investigation is based on non-credible accusations.
Its not a strawman if that's exactly whats happening. He's being labeled a rapist based on non-credible accusations.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Except the allegations are credible. It is still a strawman because you are claiming this happens all the time, when the truth is, the sexual assault detailed in the allegations is what happens all the time. 1 in 6 women, vs 2 in at least 114 SC nominees.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
I don't think you know what "credible" means. Accusations lacking evidence cannot be credible.
Its not a strawman when its exactly what's happening to Kavanaugh.
Nice try though.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Ford's own parents that live within a bus trip to the WH didn't show up to fortify her claims. Can you imagine not showing up to your child's take down of the SC nominee? Where was her husband? Her children? Her friends? Just a bunch of ultraviolet lackeys behind her.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
She had the truth on her side.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
You can't be for real.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
The truth that that every witness said didn't happen??? Her truth??? The imaginary one with no substance and no witnesses???
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
When did Kavanaugh resist an investigation?
1 Bitvar 2018-09-29
Kavanaugh said he welcomes any action by the committee that resolves the matter and clears him, and if that they want a 7th FBI investigation into his past, then he'd be fine with that.
He said this under oath. I don't know why you and the media keep printing the opposite. You can literally go on c-span right now and see it on video.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He said he would leave it to the committee. That way, if no investigation is done he can just go "Aw shucks. Well, you heard them." and avoid any responsibility.
He could have and should have urged the committee to bring in the FBI to investigate, but instead he kept dodging the topic.
1 Bitvar 2018-09-29
He wanted to meet the committee within 24 hours of finding out but the minority members of the committee delayed it for 10 days. They don't care about any alleged 4 decade old rape. They care about delaying until the chance for them to gain senate majority power. That is it.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He wanted to have the "he said/she said" dispute, not an actual investigation. He didn't want it looked into, he just wanted you to take his word that it never happened.
1 Bitvar 2018-09-29
In the US we are lucky enough to have a presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. He is innocent. If a real crime took place she should file a police report and have rape charges brought upon him. Then the whatever agency that wants can investigate it and he can have a public trial with a jury.
But that won't happen because there is no evidence. All her witnesses came out on record as saying the event never happened.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He committed crimes before our very eyes. When the allegations came out, they should have been investigated. The ongoing cover-up and his blatant lies are what have convinced me he isn't innocent.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
Kavanaugh committed crimes before our very eyes??? Help us out dealing with your obviously psychotic TDS episode.
When and where did your imagination touch you?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He lied under oath. Are you saying that is not a crime?
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
He lied about what???
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Off the top of my head, the meanings of the yearbook entries, the extent of his alcoholism, his conduct as a teen. I'm willing to bet the bit about his daughter saying "pray for the lady" is also a lie meant to make him seem more sympathetic. Unfortunately, the "sym" didn't make it.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
You are willing to bet that his daughter didn't pray for the accuser? Do you even know Jesus? Of all the things.
In my family, we always pray for peace, truth and guidance and ask Jesus to forgive all of us, even our false accusers.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Good for you. But I assume you also keep those prayers private because they are between you and your god. You wouldn't try to use your faith for public gain, would you?
1 Bitvar 2018-09-29
What crime did he commit? There is no cover up. He was the one that asked it to come publicly before the senate committee. No one else. He did. Your hyper partisan opinions are clouding your judgement. If I claimed Hillary raped a child, should she be presumed guilty and hung out to dry from the first accusation?
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Lying under oath.
1 Bitvar 2018-09-29
He's innocent until proven guilty so he hasn't committed perjury.
1 nfam 2018-09-29
you must be referring to ford, as she's dropped her lying case. lmfao. owned.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Kavanaugh was the first to ask for an investigation. The Democrats had victims complaint since the beginning of his vetting. Feinstein had the complaint as well as having legal counsel established for the victim before she intervied Kavanaugh. She held on to the information until the last minute. Victim wanted to remain quiet but Democrats released information without consent. An investigation was being conducted after the complaint was made public. Democrats refused to take part in it. They could have launched their own investigation but they decided to wait until it became time to vote him in. 6 FBI investigations have already been done on this matter. Ech one with the results of no there there. Now the 7th In the USA it;'s innocent until proven guilty. That means the person making the complaint has to show proof of guilt. Until that is established the person is innocent. He does not have to prove he didn't commit a crime. That is already given. That's the problem here. Democrats ar pushing that he prove his innocence. Try this,,Some random person accuses you of a crime. Just for fun another person backs them up. Are you guilty because they said so? Can you prove your innocence? It's two against one , who are people going to believe? Anyone can say anyone committed a crime. Are we to believe they are telling the truth? Do you know someone that has never lied? This is not a new tactic the democrats are using. They tried it with Clarence Thomas and it didn't work. They tried it with Trump and it didn't work. The only people it works on are the people that bow out. That's because they are guilty. You forgot the 5th option. Multiple investigations have already been done finding no harm done. Kavanaugh makes it through, Democrats and Liberals are screwed for several years to come. Ford makes millions(she already has close to 1 million made from 17 go fund me accounts) and nothing happens to her. I tend to go with the 5th. Here is a link that can assist you. It helped me and I am glad to share it https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/nominations/supreme/pn2259-115 I do appreciate your reply. Nice to have a conversation with someone who puts some thought into what they write. Hat tip to you
1 jubway 2018-09-29
Can you provide a source for Kavanaugh asking for a neutral party to investigate the claims?
Feinstein held the claim because Ford requested anonymity. That shows care for the well-being of her constituent more than it shows some underhanded partisan ploy.
What investigation was performed? By committee staff members? The request had been from the beginning to have the FBI investigate so it is done apolitically.
Some random person is already trying to accuse me of a crime on Reddit because they think that is an actual strategy. I could certainly prove my innocence. So yeah, that line of reasoning doesn't hold.
You believe Thomas too? I've got a bridge to sell ya buddy.
And Trump? Now I'm beginning to think you're just trolling. Surely you can't be this dumb.
The scope of those investigations did not include his conduct at parties when a teenager. And his conduct at parties as a teenager isn't even the real problem here, it is him lying about it. So no, your fifth option doesn't work out. But it was a good effort.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
No, the FBI cant "find her to be lying." Its impossible to prove, and the FBI doesn't make conclusions anyway.
1 JulianAsausage 2018-09-29
Imagine if a woman came forward and said John Podesta tried to rape her when she was 15.
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
She would be found dead.
1 JulianAsausage 2018-09-29
Imagine though
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
She would be found dead.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
Does John Podesta even like girls?
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
From what I understand only children.
1 kyoujikishin 2018-09-29
1 sweetntenderhooligan 2018-09-29
We’ve got his e-mails Podesta
1 kyoujikishin 2018-09-29
And yet you still don't understand
1 sweetntenderhooligan 2018-09-29
I understand quite well. Podesta is a child molesta.
1 kyoujikishin 2018-09-29
Just proving my argument for me
1 DonteD92 2018-09-29
That’s the funniest part of everything going on. Everything right leaning people have been screaming about is now happening, and were watching them do a complete 180.
1 AnonDidNothingWrong 2018-09-29
they don't live long enough.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
And it hasn't been 30 years yet. The people you are talking apparently think the victims are only reality when they are grown and successful and have political motivation. To hell with the children when real abuse is happening. They can't bother to get to a phone and call the FBI??? Seriously, they defend a 50 yo woman as a victim of recovered memories yet discount real-time victims that are actual children.
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
Wow, a theoretical whataboutism. That's some advanced stuff right there.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Kamala Harris raped me 20 years ago. I demand the FBI do an investigation. Where are my 17 go fund me accounts? Where is the outrage? This will leave a scar on all men to the end of time. Such injustice. Where are all the protesters? Why is she allowed to get away with me? There were other victims. She got me and 7 of my friends drunk and raped us in front of each other. I was too scared to do anything. I was helpless. Here it is 20 years later, I have a family, a good job but I am still torn because of the rape. Finally I have courage to speak out. She raped me
1 procgen 2018-09-29
The problem is, nobody believes you but millions believe Ford. Huh.
1 srtor 2018-09-29
There you go! Pussy whipped soy-boy.
Same shit is everywhere. When any woman comes with metoo BS, it is highly accepted, and first off that guy becomes villain. But when man accuses woman (Looking at Argenta case), nobody 'believes'. Abomination!
1 procgen 2018-09-29
Haha, why are you mad at me bud? Blame the collective unconscious. Or keep beating your head against a wall!
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
I does not matter if people believe me or not. I would be a fool if I expected that. Millions can believe Ford all they want. Don't care about that also. that is to be expected. The reality of the situation is that millions more believe in Kavanaugh. We can assume that Trumps base supports Kavanaugh. That alone tells you that millions more are behind Kavanaugh. Real provable facts is all that matter in this case. This is not a case of popularity. Decisions will not be based on that. The evidence supports Kavanaugh. You are correct life is not always fair. More so when the democrats are in control. But the democrats are not in control. There is nothing that will stop Kavanaugh from his appointment. Democrats are only making themselves look bad. It's too bad because it's the leadership that is doing all the damage. Not the ranks of the party. So you are correct "Life's not always fair, buddy". I have a feeling that in the future I will be saying that phrase to a lot of people on the left.. Thank you for your response. Hat tip to you for keeping it civil. Looking on further conversations that we may agree or disagree on.,
1 procgen 2018-09-29
The democrats will be in control again, and so will the republicans. There's nothing new under the sun, buddy, and everyone's an asshole. Get used to it or die a bitter man.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Contact the police, your local news outlet, and your senator. Be willing to take a lie detector and tell your story on the nightly news. Then setup that go fund me and profit. What is stopping you?
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Clearly you are able to tell that this was a smart ass remark response to another comment. But if I were serious It wouldn't go anywhere because I don't have any politician using me as a political tool and putting me in the spotlight. Plus had it really happened to me, being a male, I would have enjoyed it.. Had I not been a person who actually were bothered enough by it happening . I wouldn't wait 20- 30 years to report it. Nobody seems to understand that this sort of stuff only comes out when someone runs for office. Should be obvious why this happens. I did get hammered once and passed out. Some one told me that some gay guy I worked with gave me head while I was out. I didn't care as long as I got off.
1 gandalfsbastard 2018-09-29
Maybe I missed the context. My bad.
As for the delay, maybe you wouldn’t wait. But I do think even the most traumatized person would speak up if their assailant was about to take a major position even 30 years later.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Agreed. I just find it hard to think Ford was too traumatized. She has a family and a really good job. A successful life. I guess I think that this is not possible to achieve if a person has experienced being victimized in such a way. Rape victims have relationship problems. Sex is a major issue. There is a lot more to it than that. I also know personally, women who have been raped, date raped,etc. Some have spoken up, some liked it, and some too embarrassed or too scared to talk about it. The pattern that I see is that just about every major position that can be a major benefit to either party given the final result, and to be specific , the left loses and the right wins. It looks as if the person on the right is always a rapist . For example, Clarence Thomas for SCOTUS, Trump for POTUS ,Kavanaugh for SCOTUS. I think part that is key is that Feinstein had the complaint and proceed with in the appropriate manner. She also doxxed Ford. This is not her first time to the ball game. She knew exactly what she was doing. This is where i have the biggest problem. To be fair, Bill Clinton had also been attacked in this manner also. Here is a link you might find ..I don't know, Not sure what I think about it but here it is https://www.vox.com/a/sexual-harassment-assault-allegations-list
1 Adamarama 2018-09-29
That guy assassinated his own character, what a mess! I’m not from the US so don’t care either way about Republicans or Democrats and for what it’s worth it looks definitely like the Democrats are using the woman in a way to get as much political leverage rather than in a way that’s best for her, but come on. The man is a joke. I couldn’t believe someone like that, who talks like that and lies so blatantly under oath (we all know what those various terms mean) could even be considered for such a role. The US is fucked. The lunatics are running the asylum. It’s happening where I am too. That’s the real conspiracy. Extremist ‘sovereign individual’ neofeudal elites are currently taking over with the aim of solidifying the power of corporations and the very wealthiest. And they managed to convince a bunch of conspiracy theorists to support them! It’d be a marvel if it wasn’t so fucking depressing. No one is paying attention to what’s really going on and what they’re really up to behind all this stupid theatre and petty divide and conquer bullshit.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
You don't respect a man that would pour his heart out and shed tears for what he believes in?
What country are you from? Here, we think it is cool for boys to wear dresses and play with dolls and express their emotions.
1 Apion33 2018-09-29
(((They))) hate him and want to destroy him because he is a successful White man with strong morals, character and values.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
All that and then some
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
"I'M NOT A RAPIST" - BK
1 RMFN 2018-09-29
Posted from the office of Diane Feinstein.
1 DonnaGail 2018-09-29
Wrong.
1 TheRisenOsiris 2018-09-29
Are you? Because you seem to be 100% sure that he did and is lying about it.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Ok, how do you know that? How can you speak so authoritatively on a matter? You a drink expert?
Just because God rolled a constitution score of 8 for you doesn't mean it's the same for everyone else.
1 mastigia 2018-09-29
You can't just throw around baseless rape accusations for every little thing people do that makes you uncomfortable...oh wait
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
Didn't stop talking from spreading it though.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
He never said he didn't want an investigation. He, like Ford, left it to the committee.
I think he would have been pleased to have a thorough investigation the day Ford sent the letter to Feinstein and began this circus.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I don't "love" the guy but I agree with OP that you people think it is ok to make fun of a man crying for himself, family and country. I thought men were allowed to cry now.
1 jubway 2018-09-29
He used "leaving it to the committee," a committee he knew wasn't going to call for an investigation, as a way of avoiding answering the question.
You would think that he would want to have his name cleared, but this entire confirmation process has been Republicans constantly and consistently ignoring precedence because they are (for some strange reason) desperate to get him on the bench as soon as possible.
1 sonogirl25 2018-09-29
I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he did. And I wasn't intending to imply anything. I'm just saying it's possible. We don't even know he only drank beer. What I want to say is none of us know what BK drank, or even how much he consumed.
1 loco1876 2018-09-29
we get it your crazy
1 diehardgiraffe 2018-09-29
Why are you unable to understand that not everyone who drinks beer gets blackout drunk and sexually assaults girls? Seems like projecting more than anything else. No evidence has been provided showing guilt of sexual assault, and all of Ford's witnesses have contradicted her story.
What I'm hearing from you is that you need no evidence to believe an allegation as long as you disagree with the defendant's politics. I fear for the future of this country.
1 kgt5003 2018-09-29
What case? I’m talking about multiple issues. He refused to comment under oath on whether or not water boarding is torture. On the DC court of appeals he supported indefinite detention of American citizens with little to no evidence. He signed onto a judgment that blocked wrongfully detained prisoners who were tortured from being able to sue the private contractors that tortured them. Unfortunately these proceedings haven’t been transparent enough to know just how involved he was in Bush’s overriding of previously in place torture laws but what we do know is he holds the neocon position on illegal detention and torture everywhere he’s on record.
1 PhleeNix 2018-09-29
I doubt that statement. Your hypocrisy rings true tho.
1 jamisonglory 2018-09-29
I've never blacked out, and have drank quite heavily. Your absolutist statement is silly and incorrect.
1 Q_me_in 2018-09-29
MeToo is a protect designed to protect the pedophiles.
1 survivaltactics 2018-09-29
Its a job interview not a trial. Statute of limitations does not apply. He's just going to make a claim, not provide evidence, and you won't get the job.
1 Mariko2000 2018-09-29
The point is that you have no idea whether Ford's claim is true, and nothing confirms it other than her own claim. That's is why presenting it as fact is dishonest.
1 Drake02 2018-09-29
You sir, are ignorant and I honestly do not care for your opinions on the matter on what amounts to what. Thank you for your comment though.
A cloud of doubt is the phrase and Biden was right about it then. Just like the same applies here, regardless of your understanding or mental facilities.
1 omnipresenthuman 2018-09-29
Agreed. I just find it hard to think Ford was too traumatized. She has a family and a really good job. A successful life. I guess I think that this is not possible to achieve if a person has experienced being victimized in such a way. Rape victims have relationship problems. Sex is a major issue. There is a lot more to it than that. I also know personally, women who have been raped, date raped,etc. Some have spoken up, some liked it, and some too embarrassed or too scared to talk about it. The pattern that I see is that just about every major position that can be a major benefit to either party given the final result, and to be specific , the left loses and the right wins. It looks as if the person on the right is always a rapist . For example, Clarence Thomas for SCOTUS, Trump for POTUS ,Kavanaugh for SCOTUS. I think part that is key is that Feinstein had the complaint and proceed with in the appropriate manner. She also doxxed Ford. This is not her first time to the ball game. She knew exactly what she was doing. This is where i have the biggest problem. To be fair, Bill Clinton had also been attacked in this manner also. Here is a link you might find ..I don't know, Not sure what I think about it but here it is https://www.vox.com/a/sexual-harassment-assault-allegations-list