I stay hopeful that it won't. But it never hurts to look at options. Ultimately you may want to point out that if it is a free service (like this one), they are likely mining data (they need income)... And will lead to meetings demands their shareholders want.
It already has. The decline does not happen fast, but we will see the migration from this site over a period of months as people who are concerned about truth discover new places of open minds and information exchange to freely share without the threat of lunatics trying to control conversation or speech.
I agree. Consider checking out thetanster.com despite everything, a community is coming together around my various platforms and they are educating each other and me. That site is where you can see where my decentralized work lives. Anyone who suppresses my honest G rated work is exposed promptly.
Tanster contacted me and asked me to let you know that she has somehow been blocked from making any further comments. She wanted to respond to the accusation that she is a spammer but now count because she is being silenced.
I hate this false show. Because CENSORSHIP we must have BLOCKCHAIN. blockchain is an absolute evil ALSO. When everything is always kept track of, and based on everything before it, then the storage of these blockchains cannot be decentralized.
Blockchain in finances is the biggest lawenforcement tool ever. Bitcoin is far from anonymous, and thats why its slated to replace cash.
Look at tim berners lee for a non blockchain alternative. His is called SOLID where people hold their own data on internet connected devices. WE pick WHAT info WHO can get. Instead of different privacy settings across many appa, we set privacy settings on our data that the apps access
Look at the math behind it. All transactions by necessity will take a day or longer. This is fine for cars, drugs or other specialty purchases, but to expect this to become the norm for food and other necessities is unreasonable.
Don't get me wrong, decentralization of money has it's place... But I doubt it will ever over take traditional money without substantial overhaul.
> storage of these blockchains cannot be decentralized
Wrong, so wrong, the storage can be decentralized, the only problem is that it will grow to a size that is not scalable. thats why we need techniques like blockchain sharding.
Block chains aren’t really decentralized, or rather that’s not so important, but more disseminated. In order to trust a block chain completely, you need a copy of the entire thing. Ultimately, everyone does, unless you are willing to,gamble a bit with security, which is what happens in practice with bitcoin.
File systems like IPFS, on the other hand, are distributed in that the data isn’t located everywhere, but only (and hopefully) somewhere. Block chains aren’t.
Explain how again? Because you're not making sense. You know the meaning of bitcoin and all other coins following it is decentralisation. Where no one but the decentralised miners choose what goes in the chain, no one entity controls the chain. I don't see your argument here.
Anybody can create a Bitcoin wallet offline in three minutes and have coins sent to it. It's peer-to-peer. Eventually it will be impossible to track.
There's also an advantage to having a perfect record of every transaction. It will make it as easy to prove innocence as guilt. It's actually perfect in that way: private (if you created your own wallet and did all transactions peer-to-peer), yet also providing a perfect record if needed. They can't say, "You sent money to Drug Kingpin X" if you can provide proof that you didn't. It will make it much easier for businesses to do their books and provide a wealth of anonymized economic data for scholars.
It's going to fundamentally change the world, and if you don't get some right now, you'll regret it for the rest of your life because it won't be getting much cheaper, like, ever.
Both! Guylostintheuniverse mentions my reasoning. Blockchain is all about centralization and accountability, which i dont see as a priority of a free people
Dumb. Blockchain ensure no one party can control the world economy(unlike the stock market), and accountability should very much be a priority of free people. No corruption if anyone can check the politicians wallet. No economic crime, no black economy either. Its a honest and transparent system. Which is not what the elites want.
No, because not all cryptocurrencies are based on a decentralized blockchain. XRP (Ripple) is the kind of nightmare currency that one should be paranoid avout for instance.
Ethereum’s blockchain is greater than 1 terabyte. Good luck storing that on your PC in a couple years. At its growth rate you’re gonna need a data center just to hold the full ledger. A truly decentralized blockchain should be able to easily fit on your phone.
If anyone uses the word "blockchain" in the context of replacing any mass-scale technology, you can be assured they don't know jack shit about what they're talking about.
The biggest cringes on the Internet are people talking about blockchains, and the worst cringe are the people with some technical knowledge, because they're the worst at only partially understanding the technical challenges and just hand-waving away the rest of the challenges (if they even know what they are). And that's even assuming granting that a blockchain would be desirable, which it isn't in 99% of the cases for which shallow-thinking people advocate it.
Decentralized social media platform of the future, created on the blockchain is something I've been waiting for, for some time now. I was hoping some alternatives would step up during the zuc+congress faceoff, but unfortunately, still nothing doing. Maybe that was the catalyst that gets it all going, but I'm disappointed I havent atleast heard of some of these things in production. Either way, this is the future and if we don't build this, will have to continue living under the thumb of big business and old money.
Censorship is not the worst of it, it's that it's Biased Censorship. I have been using Voat. I am a bit of a delicate flower but getting over that quickly.
It's the only way to participate on the network. Individuals can use a web-based wallet, but the real network participant is the service provider running a real wallet.
Ok but what protects it from censorship if the service provider hosts the blockchain infrastructure how is that different from facebook hosting the facebook servers?
I wish to god all you fuckers would go already. Most of you complaining are ftom banned hate subs I'll never miss anyway. Quality of the site would improve without you ignorant asses screwing up your hatey holes over and over year after year.
You're a ticking time bomb nutjob neo leftest. I'm reporting you to the FBI anonymously. You are a danger to society. I legit fear for what you could do to innocent people.
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Web 3.0 will turn into a cluster of criminal activity and spam is government authorities or any authority are really powerless to stop user activity, and thus criminal activity.
But do we want an irrevocable record of everything we have ever said posted, I like the decentralized model however—just don’t know how you would incentivize ‘miners.’
I thought my content was beneficial to the truth community. It apparently was not beneficial to saidit. I accept your conclusion. It’s your site. When I saw I was banned or muted, I didn’t really see any reason to get into it with anyone who viewed my work as “spam” or “problematic” so I moved on. My project is largely the reaction to my project.
Did I do a wonderfully perfect job of trying your site? Obviously not because I irritated you. I am doing everything I can to spread KNOWLEDGE? If you view my spreading knowledge as spam for my site, that says a lot about the people running saidit.
I sell NOTHING. I promote myself as a person so little that very few even know my real gender. I work every moment I’m physically awake trying to share knowledge so we will be equipped to hopefully stand up to a satanic empire.
If you view my work as spam - that’s says a lot about saidit. Did I do it wrong on your site? Apparently. Was I spamming saidit to promote my site? That’s your opinion. I know that my intentions were good. I was happy to move on from saidit once I knew what I could expect there.
I quit FB years ago, quit AOL when it sucked, quit flip-phones, quit Yahoo IM, etc. , and will certainly walk away from YT / Twitter / Reddit for their B.S.
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1 Mirrodin1990 2018-09-30
Censorship is always a bad idea. It could signal the beginning of the end for this site. I really hope the reddit responsibles will think it through.
1 ForRealTho27 2018-09-30
I doubt it will change direction. A fresh site would be fun
1 Mirrodin1990 2018-09-30
Maybe some of us should come together and develop a concept for a new site.
1 gedbybee 2018-09-30
oldit. like oldreddit
1 HibikiSS 2018-09-30
If you are looking for alternatives you should try saidit out.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
I gave saidit a try and they banned me.
1 magnora7 2018-09-30
Except you're not banned
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
We all use censorship every day. NDAs, TOSs, hell, your parent scolding you for embarrassing them. Censorship is essential to a civilization.
That said the OP is correct in one regard: if you don't like it, find a service that suits your wants.
1 RogueTaxidermist 2018-09-30
That’s all I’m trying to say here. Because it’s only gonna get worse.
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
I stay hopeful that it won't. But it never hurts to look at options. Ultimately you may want to point out that if it is a free service (like this one), they are likely mining data (they need income)... And will lead to meetings demands their shareholders want.
1 WTFppl 2018-09-30
It already has. The decline does not happen fast, but we will see the migration from this site over a period of months as people who are concerned about truth discover new places of open minds and information exchange to freely share without the threat of lunatics trying to control conversation or speech.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
I agree. Consider checking out thetanster.com despite everything, a community is coming together around my various platforms and they are educating each other and me. That site is where you can see where my decentralized work lives. Anyone who suppresses my honest G rated work is exposed promptly.
1 cryo 2018-09-30
Yeah but only of some people. Maybe the ones the rest won’t miss.
1 majorvis 2018-09-30
Tanster contacted me and asked me to let you know that she has somehow been blocked from making any further comments. She wanted to respond to the accusation that she is a spammer but now count because she is being silenced.
1 majorvis 2018-09-30
This is a link to a post Tanster just made about this - https://www.thetanster.com/blog/2018/9/30/reddit-and-saidit
1 halftwitch 2018-09-30
I hate this false show. Because CENSORSHIP we must have BLOCKCHAIN. blockchain is an absolute evil ALSO. When everything is always kept track of, and based on everything before it, then the storage of these blockchains cannot be decentralized.
Blockchain in finances is the biggest lawenforcement tool ever. Bitcoin is far from anonymous, and thats why its slated to replace cash.
Look at tim berners lee for a non blockchain alternative. His is called SOLID where people hold their own data on internet connected devices. WE pick WHAT info WHO can get. Instead of different privacy settings across many appa, we set privacy settings on our data that the apps access
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
It will never replace cash... Transaction times are too long.
1 diydude2 2018-09-30
Instant with Lightning Network.
1 halftwitch 2018-09-30
I see the chain getting so large we'll just let major financial institutions deal with it and use some intermediary like applepay or whatever
1 Typ_calTr_cks 2018-09-30
Sharding + state compaction.
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
Look at the math behind it. All transactions by necessity will take a day or longer. This is fine for cars, drugs or other specialty purchases, but to expect this to become the norm for food and other necessities is unreasonable.
Don't get me wrong, decentralization of money has it's place... But I doubt it will ever over take traditional money without substantial overhaul.
1 Typ_calTr_cks 2018-09-30
Cars will never replace horses. You have to buy gas for them and they’re only a tiny bit faster.
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
True. And mules will always be the perferred method of travel down the Grand canyon.
1 Typ_calTr_cks 2018-09-30
nah that’s powered parachutes mate. Those are the real fun
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
Yep. Because everyone is on board with plummeting to their death and trusting a bit of fabric to catch them ;)
1 guylostintheuniverse 2018-09-30
> storage of these blockchains cannot be decentralized
Wrong, so wrong, the storage can be decentralized, the only problem is that it will grow to a size that is not scalable. thats why we need techniques like blockchain sharding.
1 cryo 2018-09-30
Block chains aren’t really decentralized, or rather that’s not so important, but more disseminated. In order to trust a block chain completely, you need a copy of the entire thing. Ultimately, everyone does, unless you are willing to,gamble a bit with security, which is what happens in practice with bitcoin.
File systems like IPFS, on the other hand, are distributed in that the data isn’t located everywhere, but only (and hopefully) somewhere. Block chains aren’t.
1 guylostintheuniverse 2018-09-30
Explain how again? Because you're not making sense. You know the meaning of bitcoin and all other coins following it is decentralisation. Where no one but the decentralised miners choose what goes in the chain, no one entity controls the chain. I don't see your argument here.
1 diydude2 2018-09-30
Anybody can create a Bitcoin wallet offline in three minutes and have coins sent to it. It's peer-to-peer. Eventually it will be impossible to track.
There's also an advantage to having a perfect record of every transaction. It will make it as easy to prove innocence as guilt. It's actually perfect in that way: private (if you created your own wallet and did all transactions peer-to-peer), yet also providing a perfect record if needed. They can't say, "You sent money to Drug Kingpin X" if you can provide proof that you didn't. It will make it much easier for businesses to do their books and provide a wealth of anonymized economic data for scholars.
It's going to fundamentally change the world, and if you don't get some right now, you'll regret it for the rest of your life because it won't be getting much cheaper, like, ever.
1 Eoooiny 2018-09-30
Have you any evidence to back any of this up or do you just like shouting buzz words?
1 halftwitch 2018-09-30
Both! Guylostintheuniverse mentions my reasoning. Blockchain is all about centralization and accountability, which i dont see as a priority of a free people
1 rhex1 2018-09-30
Dumb. Blockchain ensure no one party can control the world economy(unlike the stock market), and accountability should very much be a priority of free people. No corruption if anyone can check the politicians wallet. No economic crime, no black economy either. Its a honest and transparent system. Which is not what the elites want.
1 sequentialcircus 2018-09-30
https://www.fastcompany.com/90243936/exclusive-tim-berners-lee-tells-us-his-radical-new-plan-to-upend-the-world-wide-web
The guy who created the internet is working on an alt-net
1 ErisianClaw 2018-09-30
Glad to hear Al Gore is keeping busy.
1 Suffocatingsky 2018-09-30
This! Haha
1 cryo 2018-09-30
You probably mean to say that crypto currencies ensure that (although I am not sure I agree, and not sure I agree that it is good).
1 rhex1 2018-09-30
No, because not all cryptocurrencies are based on a decentralized blockchain. XRP (Ripple) is the kind of nightmare currency that one should be paranoid avout for instance.
1 rabbit_runs_fast 2018-09-30
Ethereum’s blockchain is greater than 1 terabyte. Good luck storing that on your PC in a couple years. At its growth rate you’re gonna need a data center just to hold the full ledger. A truly decentralized blockchain should be able to easily fit on your phone.
1 Cuthbert12Allgood 2018-09-30
If anyone uses the word "blockchain" in the context of replacing any mass-scale technology, you can be assured they don't know jack shit about what they're talking about.
The biggest cringes on the Internet are people talking about blockchains, and the worst cringe are the people with some technical knowledge, because they're the worst at only partially understanding the technical challenges and just hand-waving away the rest of the challenges (if they even know what they are). And that's even assuming granting that a blockchain would be desirable, which it isn't in 99% of the cases for which shallow-thinking people advocate it.
1 Typ_calTr_cks 2018-09-30
This just goes to show how a little knowdlege can be dangerous.
You’ve clearly never heard of monero, or know that block chains can be strongly anonymous.
There’s more than just bitcoin bro
1 imsoskyhigh 2018-09-30
Delusional lol
1 doramas89 2018-09-30
check memo.cash. itsa a twitter like platform , decentralozed, on the BCH blockchain
1 Vincents_keyboard 2018-09-30
Yes please!
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1 fifeguy 2018-09-30
Gab mewe, bitchute, dtube - just need a celeb to move there for for wave to begin
1 d3rr 2018-09-30
I see more and more YT channels having backups on DTube, like Ben Swann. It's happening!
1 MrJDouble 2018-09-30
Decentralized social media platform of the future, created on the blockchain is something I've been waiting for, for some time now. I was hoping some alternatives would step up during the zuc+congress faceoff, but unfortunately, still nothing doing. Maybe that was the catalyst that gets it all going, but I'm disappointed I havent atleast heard of some of these things in production. Either way, this is the future and if we don't build this, will have to continue living under the thumb of big business and old money.
1 RogueTaxidermist 2018-09-30
If you’re gonna downvote this comment, downvote my post too because this is 100% what I’m trying to say here
1 MrJDouble 2018-09-30
I'm with you, bro
1 MiLittleThrowAway420 2018-09-30
You tripping dude. This site has been sterile for years.
T. Old fag that has been here since the site opened.
1 CaptainR3dbeard85 2018-09-30
If there is a conspiracy why are you allowed to post this jackass?!
1 blazemore 2018-09-30
Oh shit. Sub's over everyone, pack up, we've been had.
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
Please don't call people bad names. Grow up fam
1 TheBrainIsABodyPart 2018-09-30
What does conan have to do with this
1 RMFN 2018-09-30
$$$They$$$ want us gone.
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1 Drycabin1 2018-09-30
Censorship is not the worst of it, it's that it's Biased Censorship. I have been using Voat. I am a bit of a delicate flower but getting over that quickly.
1 OhReally73 2018-09-30
Same..it’s rough but it’s a lot better then seeing every damn post deleted!
1 commander_nice 2018-09-30
Decentralized applications have their own set of problems, namely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack.
1 Raven9nine9 2018-09-30
So I have some questions about blockchain vs censorship. Who pays for the hosting of these huge block chains and where is the data hosted?
1 blazemore 2018-09-30
In an application like Bitcoin, every node on the network holds a complete copy of the blockchain.
1 Raven9nine9 2018-09-30
Is that because there is financial incentive?
1 blazemore 2018-09-30
It's the only way to participate on the network. Individuals can use a web-based wallet, but the real network participant is the service provider running a real wallet.
1 Raven9nine9 2018-09-30
Ok but what protects it from censorship if the service provider hosts the blockchain infrastructure how is that different from facebook hosting the facebook servers?
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
Fucking voat. Get the voat app. If you think voat sucks then start using it and making it better!
1 gozachgo 2018-09-30
Is there a good Android app? Boats does not seem to be working. I get some server error, or API wont load...
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
Boats is the only one. Just keep trying. It works for me
1 blaaaahhhhh 2018-09-30
For iOS?
1 skywalker7277 2018-09-30
Voatify
1 blaaaahhhhh 2018-09-30
Hasn’t had a meaningful update for 2 years
1 Frnzlnkbrn 2018-09-30
I wish to god all you fuckers would go already. Most of you complaining are ftom banned hate subs I'll never miss anyway. Quality of the site would improve without you ignorant asses screwing up your hatey holes over and over year after year.
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
Damn bro you take the internet way too serious. Get some fresh air you nutjob
1 Frnzlnkbrn 2018-09-30
Make your stupid milliondollarextreme hub on voat and fuck off already neo nazi trash.
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
You're a ticking time bomb nutjob neo leftest. I'm reporting you to the FBI anonymously. You are a danger to society. I legit fear for what you could do to innocent people.
1 Frnzlnkbrn 2018-09-30
I'm not the one putting together Unite the Right rallies on this website that get people killed.
1 WeAreEvolving 2018-09-30
It's easy, I don't agree with all the subs on reddit, so I don't subscribe to them.
1 mattystz 2018-09-30
The library might be a good alternative. I hear they have educational books and you’d all benefit.
1 SuperCharged2000 2018-09-30
You have been linked for manipulation
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/9k7kod/top_mind_thinks_reddits_days_are_numbered_but/
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1 the_nonagon 2018-09-30
Why is TOR obsessed with what happens here?
1 SuperCharged2000 2018-09-30
Same reason that Ford testified, they think they are saving the world from Hitler.
To her Trump is Hitler.
To them people who do not accept the government explanation of things ... are Hitler.
Same mindset.
1 the_nonagon 2018-09-30
Agreed
1 RogueTaxidermist 2018-09-30
Lol fuck you and your top minds
1 SuperCharged2000 2018-09-30
I didn't do it, I was just letting you know.
1 nordoceltic82 2018-09-30
Web 3.0 will turn into a cluster of criminal activity and spam is government authorities or any authority are really powerless to stop user activity, and thus criminal activity.
1 Excalbian042 2018-09-30
But do we want an irrevocable record of everything we have ever said posted, I like the decentralized model however—just don’t know how you would incentivize ‘miners.’
1 ErisianClaw 2018-09-30
I'll be very disappointed if we don't get quarantined ourselves soon. The only way it wouldn't happen is if we got completely neutered and co-opted.
1 StrongNeighborhood2 2018-09-30
balthanos bans people because he doesn't like their opinions by manipulating rules. everyone here knows which religion they practice.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
I thought my content was beneficial to the truth community. It apparently was not beneficial to saidit. I accept your conclusion. It’s your site. When I saw I was banned or muted, I didn’t really see any reason to get into it with anyone who viewed my work as “spam” or “problematic” so I moved on. My project is largely the reaction to my project.
Did I do a wonderfully perfect job of trying your site? Obviously not because I irritated you. I am doing everything I can to spread KNOWLEDGE? If you view my spreading knowledge as spam for my site, that says a lot about the people running saidit.
I sell NOTHING. I promote myself as a person so little that very few even know my real gender. I work every moment I’m physically awake trying to share knowledge so we will be equipped to hopefully stand up to a satanic empire.
If you view my work as spam - that’s says a lot about saidit. Did I do it wrong on your site? Apparently. Was I spamming saidit to promote my site? That’s your opinion. I know that my intentions were good. I was happy to move on from saidit once I knew what I could expect there.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
I was trying to share knowledge. If you view me as a spammer than I’m glad I’m not posting there anymore. Best of luck with your site.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
My responses won’t show up anymore.
1 Thetanster 2018-09-30
Shenanigans. Someone accused me and I’m having trouble responding.
1 d3rr 2018-09-30
List of Reddit alternatives, some are decentralized: https://np.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/8585ox/list_of_active_reddit_alternatives/
Plug: check out https://saidit.net
1 brglynn 2018-09-30
I quit FB years ago, quit AOL when it sucked, quit flip-phones, quit Yahoo IM, etc. , and will certainly walk away from YT / Twitter / Reddit for their B.S.
1 blazemore 2018-09-30
Oh shit. Sub's over everyone, pack up, we've been had.
1 Iadmirejoegiudice 2018-09-30
Please don't call people bad names. Grow up fam
1 ntschaef 2018-09-30
Yep. Because everyone is on board with plummeting to their death and trusting a bit of fabric to catch them ;)
1 the_nonagon 2018-09-30
Agreed