Interesting take. I could totally see it.

Uh... Sure, smart, but I wouldn't celebrate the guy. Dude wants to create a hive mind by hooking your brain up to the internet.

because if we don't 'hook in' we may be left behind or worse when the AI singularity is reached.
It's coming and we will not be the dominant species anymore.
He has tried to warn about it but nobody is listening.
My thinking is that he is investigating a plan B

I know his reasonings, I've done plenty of research on the matter, written up an essay on it for a class.

The thing is, In my eyes his solution is no better. It eliminates free will, privacy, and self sovereignty. In my eyes, this eliminates purpose in life. See, it's the end of humanity either way, you seem to fail to see that.

Ironically (or perhaps totally un-ironically) it's totally in line with occultism/esotericism and their idea of universal oneness and/or collective consciousness. Only this is physically augmented.

See, it's the end of humanity either way, you seem to fail to see that.

Say what? I prefer to look at possible solutions rather than "We're Fucked"

I was referring to with Neuralink. I do want to search for solutions as well. Let me remind you you just said . >because if we don't 'hook in' we may be left behind or worse when the AI singularity is reached. It's coming and we will not be the dominant species anymore.

In my opinion you seem to be approaching it from a "we're fucked attitude". We can both go on about each other's pessimism but that's beside the point. This particular solution is not the best one in my opinion. I didn't mean to insinuate there is no solution to a technological singularity, I just want more solutions on the table before we get too cozy with this one.

fair enough .. maybe I lean toward that solution more than most :P

in line with occultism/esotericism and their idea of universal oneness and/or collective consciousness.

With was borrowed from the central tenant of Hinduism... all is perfect, non-dual awareness.

True, Blavatsky held a special admiration for Eastern mysticism. However in my opinion she perverted it. And those in power aren't exactly Hindu.

Not saying they are... just wanted to make sure that you (and others) were aware that the concept existed for thousands of years before its bastardized adoption.

hive mind

complaining about this on reddit of all places...

well done :)

you may have something here, in terms of him wanting to move on from tesla, or that being part of a larger plan, but i'm unconvinced that he's brilliant

Brilliant or lucky, you don't get to do what he's done without one or both, if not brilliant he may be the luckiest guy on the planet except for Larry Silverstein ;)

there's a third option, which is just being an actor

Fourth option lizard, fifth option clone, there are any number of options, people are free to believe what they want.

those are all extremely unlikely, but it is public knowledge that the US government has run many corporations for various purposes. there's even a list of cia front organizations on wikipedia. the fact remains that the us government is the top investor in each of musk's ventures and as of now, it appears that he's effectively lost billions of tax payers dollars. this isn't even a conspiracy theory, you can google it and find that many main stream sources have argued that when it all comes out this will make the solyndra debacle look like nothing. there's very little evidence that any technology sold by musk's brands is anything new. the only one that there's a solid argument for is the space x tech, but there's almost no paper trail demonstrating that any of that was designed under his direction. while i'm not saying i believe this element, it's completely possible that space x uses tech that was actually designed by the government.

I see, you believe it is more likely that Elon Musk is an actor, rather than a successful entrepreneur. I don't agree.

no, this isn't what i wrote at all. i'm simply pointing out that there are some serious, and reasonable, questions as to what's going on. i offer no conclusion, but i completely support exploring this avenue, especially for people who are american tax payers, and even more so for people who are paying taxes in california. it's a fact that as it stands today, the entire musk empire depends on government subsidies, investments, and contracts. it's important for the public to understand the amount of money being handed to him, and consider the reasons as to why this may be happening. again, i don't even have my own conclusion, and i'm certainly not trying to convince you of anything, other than that this may be an area where some skepticism is warranted

As far as I have researched, Tesla/SolarCity receives the same subsidies that any other identical company would get from the government. SpaceX is the cheapest way to launch stuff into orbit - why would they not get government contracts?

Not everything is a conspiracy, and in the land of billionaire entrepreneurs in the tech industry - Elon seems like the least likely to be in bed with the CIA in my book.

He’s part of the establishment. Aka a shill.

Fair enough but when it sounds too good to be true it usually is. When the media loves someone is when we should be most skeptical but hey I hope I’m proven wrong.. to mars! Lol

Media hates Musk.

I used to think he must be some sort of Lex Luthor type villain but now I think he's just a weird dude with way too much money. Musk seems like a big idea guy and is lucky to have the resources to play out those ideas.

I don't know that I'd call him brilliant or a genius or anything, his staff is loaded with engineers and physicists and whatnot, I don't know how much he actually contributes beyond "let's try this out". Though I do give him credit for putting his fortune towards something like SpaceX as opposed to hookers and blow.

He is more of an engineer than a businessman. As in he is the one designing and engineering the rockets. Not him by himself, but he is much more of a hardcore engineer than a big picture ideas guy.

This is one of the most idiotic statements about musk I’ve read yet.

You do realize he built that fortune on his merit and work, ya?

By saying he's lucky to have all that money I didn't mean to imply he didn't earn it.

You missed my point.

Musk seems like a big idea guy and is lucky to have the resources to play out those ideas.

You imply the resources pre-dated his projects/businesses. In reality, it was the foresight and development of big projects that brought the wealth.

Would you really say founding PayPal is lucky?...

At this point we're getting bogged down in semantics.

From what I understand he started with a certain amount of family wealth

He still has plenty of money leftover for blow and hookers..just saying.

Grimes show up yet?

whatever man. the inevitable erosion of "the hero narrative" - something We have invested too much time in already. it doesn't work. it's an inconceivable design on scale.

also, the easiest way to open up free time is to make others avoid you. he's failing horribly by this metric.

He's still the CEO, he's no longer the Chairman on the Board.

This isn’t some twitter 4D chess bullshit. This is a man at his wits end.

ding ding ding, we have a winner.

"Elon" worship.

Here is another viewpoint:

http://mileswmathis.com/musk.pdf

thanks for the link. enjoyed the read and some of the other articles.

Tesla imo is a corporate conglomerate through shares of car and oil companies using all those patents they have been hoarding for decades to see if they can create a truly automated production line.

They gave the patents away so everyone can build electric cars probably global pressure on this since all the big car companies are all subsidiaries of GM or Volkswagen or something (i am generalising a lot here). And in an interview sometime ago with elon, at a tesla factory, Elon looked down and answered, yeah we might have to start putting more people back on the line. Because of drawbacks on full automation.

By now Elon probably feels drained having to manage so much of the headache of trying to make that work, that he recently resigned. Plus, with china going all electric cars by 2025, and other european manufacturers, also diving into electric, Teslas market dominance is going to vain fast. They are already constantly behind production numbers, not meeting orders etc. Its a huge clusterfuck.

Plus I bet Elon already feels like he has changed the world with Tesla majority are not viewing electric cars are better, and as times goes on, its becoming easier to own one).

Where as Space, space has always been the golden goose. Once Space is commercialised, resources and production can go offworld. Once a space elevator is built, production can all go to space with automation and that would free up earth a little bit. Plus allow us to colonise space etc. Its a no brainer that thats where the frontier of discoveries and 1sts is.

To me Elon has been a great PR head. With him being on Space X and Tesla acting like Tony stark, and at one time, even having a beard like him....screams just a publicity figure who is knowledgeable about the business to sell it, but I doubt he has any real power to sway the direction of development or company's values.

Shill

No shit. He dropped the Tesla stock price so he could buy back up the majority of private shares. That way no one, not even the SEC, can hijack his company.

Does anyone else remember a conspiracy theory (told by a guy from an old blue-blooded family or something like that) who's contention was that Musk was just a front-man for a gov. operation which needed to be seen and traded like a real business?

He gave some examples and circumstantial evidence of how Elon was not a smart as everyone was saying he was.

yes, this happened to microsonft and after that apple, cia needs a way to spread the spying devices into homes

Now that's a great conspiracy-that the big companies are all just CIA/government operations-I'm going to steal that one, actually.

Been theorulizing that for years myself if they're not fronts, they may be heavily subsidized.

welcome

I don't know about those other companies. Bill Gates seems like a gov. yes-man though.

ALL WORSHIP LORD ELON

Guys...he stepped down due to the SEC Fraud investigation bc he tweeted he was going to make Tesla private while on LSD.

No, he wanted to score some brownie points with his stoner gf in the form of a lame 420 joke.

He didn't leave Tesla, he's still CEO, just not Chairman anymore.

Doesn’t this seem like a sly move from big oil companies to shutout the electric scene?

Elon is brilliant? Let me tell you a little story. There was this company called Enron.

Enron had all these rich guys working there, doing shady shit. When the shit started hitting the fan, the rich guys working there weren't able to sell their stock because they would get busted for insider trading and/or other shit.

But one guy, Lou Pai, this guy, he used to be CEO of Enron, really smart financial dude. He also couldn't sell his stock.

Except, he used to like to go to tittie bars for lunch. And his wife found out. And she filed for divorce. And the judge ordered Pai to sell his stock.

That's right. The judge ordered him to sell his stock.

He liquidated before everything fell apart, and it was 100% legal. His wife got divorced and he married the stripper.

What tweets? I'm out of the loop

Lets just appreciate this man for standing against the oil and gas companies and making everyone know about the electric driven cars. He broke the first barrier. Now its upto Toyota and honda to make an affordable car that runs on electricity

I was referring to with Neuralink. I do want to search for solutions as well. Let me remind you you just said . >because if we don't 'hook in' we may be left behind or worse when the AI singularity is reached. It's coming and we will not be the dominant species anymore.

In my opinion you seem to be approaching it from a "we're fucked attitude". We can both go on about each other's pessimism but that's beside the point. This particular solution is not the best one in my opinion. I didn't mean to insinuate there is no solution to a technological singularity, I just want more solutions on the table before we get too cozy with this one.

He is more of an engineer than a businessman. As in he is the one designing and engineering the rockets. Not him by himself, but he is much more of a hardcore engineer than a big picture ideas guy.

You do realize he built that fortune on his merit and work, ya?

He still has plenty of money leftover for blow and hookers..just saying.

This is one of the most idiotic statements about musk I’ve read yet.