Because it was all fake

yep!

Come to Vegas, speak to the people who actually lost a friend, or a loved one.

the whole "it didn't happen" line is just stupid, childish, and demonstrably wrong.

Jesus

No worries, here's some research before you arrive, just let me know which one of these people are the big, fat phonies.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/06/here-all-victims-las-vegas-shooting/733236001/

If it was a real event why’d they have paid actors bud and I’m not going to look at a source from the MSM because we know it’s not hard for them to fake deaths

They had paid actors?

Yes watch the link

More big, fat phonies for you.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/01/us/las-vegas-shooting-victims.html

Watch the link I posted it’s only 20 min. They had paid actors before the event to be there.

Weren't they mostly from out of town? I just assumed they were tourists...don't know.

Many, but not all

https://www.reviewjournal.com/tag/victims/

I swear it's a psy op.

Typical gaslighting from the kind of idiots drawn to this. "naw I know the real story none of it was even real"

But he watched a 2 hour YouTube video so now he's "woke" to the true story. People wouldn't go on YouTube and lie just to become popular, now would they?

stop

Why would they fake it?

It made the USA look even more like a violent sh*t-hole, gun grab or not...it was too much, too random.

Exactly. harder to fake than to actually just do it. we are nothing to them anyways. disposable

this.

it's many times more difficult to fake it than it is to just do it.

A untrained civilian would not in now what a bullet sounds like from a far distance with a caliber they are not familiar with. Going throughsomething major Then doing live TV Are huge Things for someone to do. People get Nervous and fuck up.

They hired actors before the event happened because they knew what was about to happen. You didn’t even watch the video in the link did you

where did they get all the actors from

why has nobody said 'I recognize that guy/girl theyre still alive'

I just watched that whole video. The problem is that it doesnt best explain all of the evidence. It misrepresents the facts and doesn't explain shit. Paddock clearly shot people from that window. There is a mountain of evidence that needs to be ignored to not believe that.

If you watch the police video cams those windows were still intact so no he did not shoot from those rooms. If there were more evidence he did it someone would be in jail.

Are you talking about the Crowds on Demand ad? I don't understand why you think it's possible to hire that many people from the general public for $15 to $20 per hour and expect all of them to keep quiet about participating in a fake terrorist attack. None of those people had a crisis of conscience about what they were doing? None of them have publicly admitted it after a whole year? No one has anonymously leaked check stubs or recordings or plans?

It worked for sandy hook.

How does it work though? You think you can pull hundreds of random people off the street and buy their perpetual silence about participating in something gravely immoral for a few hundred bucks?

Idk man people are pretty clueless and don’t really care. Even if they wanted to speak up how would they do that? Where would they go? Silencing people is TPTB’s specialty.

Idk man people are pretty clueless and don’t really care.

About participating in a national tragedy? Something that they will have to lie about to their families and friends for the rest of their lives?

Even if they wanted to speak up how would they do that?

The internet? The media? The police?

They didn’t participate in a national tragedy, they got a pay check and went home. These people pulled off 9/11 so faking a shooting is child’s play to them.

They didn’t participate in a national tragedy, they got a pay check and went home.

Went home... to their families and friends who saw them on-camera during the incident and in interviews with the media afterward. Those who had to pretend that their spouses, relatives, or friends died had to go home and explain why no one else knew who those people were or how they actually didn't die.

And these people all kept up the charade because they got a check for a few hundred bucks. And they'll swear it was all real until they die, because of a few hundred bucks.

That's some serious loyalty.

These people pulled off 9/11 so faking a shooting is child’s play to them.

Maybe, but I still don't understand why you think the Crowds on Demand ad has anything to do with it. My point is that for something like this, you wouldn't hire random people off the street for $15/hour if you wanted everyone involved to stay silent forever.

TPTB have infiltrated ranking positions within international intelligence agencies, CIA, MI5, MIC, FBI, MSM, NASA, Federal Reserve, Academic community, Science communities, Medical industries, all major US corporations and much more. but you think someone that was paid 15$ an hour to be an actor can start a revolution by making a facebook post about what actually happened? I disagree, they're using the media to push policies just like they have for the last 100 years.

but you think someone that was paid 15$ an hour to be an actor can start a revolution by making a facebook post about what actually happened?

Maybe one or two people would get ignored, but with all of the thousands of people that they've hired for 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Vegas Shooting, and every other false flag event that you guys think had crisis actors in it... how are there not at least a few dozen people coming out about it by now?

And with all of these events, is everything completely untraceable? There's no scripts, check stubs, contracts, phone calls, meetings, rehearsals, etc. that can be recorded or photographed to support a leaker's story?

Nobody who gets paid $20/hr is going to give up that sweet cash for a silly book deal or media frenzy for real money to appear. No sir-ee. ^/s

Okay I think your question is perfectly valid and its a good point to make while playing devils advocate. These people that go on craigslist looking for jobs have absolutely no association with whats being conspired in the after math.. they genuinely don't see how they are part of the bigger picture. For example, in CPR class they tell you to pick someone to call 911 and dont assume someone will willingly make the call because everybody already assume somebody else is already doing it. I know thats not the best example but do you see what im getting at? Thats why I'm trying to make the point it wouldn't be that hard for TPTB to cover those loose ends, or the hole "crisis actor" thing could be a complete smoke screen.

your explanation is that people - thousands of people, in some cases - were tricked into playing crisis actors at these major, widely-reported news events, somehow without realizing they were participating in staging that event?

and that the bystander effect explains why even those who have put it together have not come forward?

Just the people you saw on tv were actors

ok - and as for the remainder of the comment?

You're looking for an answer that doesn't exist in human nature. Spiral of silence somewhat explains this. When people turn on the MSM they're ready to believe what they see and public opinion is already molded.. people dont turn on the news to be skeptical. If people already have there minds made up about an event any opposing viewpoint is automatically deemed ludicrous, especially if this alternative viewpoint in coming from a paid actor about a tragedy its called cognitive dissonance.

For example, Sandy Hook Why did none of the crisis actors come forward? Its not what people do. Same with Flight 77 we know that plane didn't hit the pentagon and that it landed else where. So where are all the passengers that could of spoken up to prevent the US from partaking in the longest war in american history?

People don't operate at a level of moral integrally in which you're assuming they do.

Naw I was in vegas a few days after the incident. I personally saw blood on the ground and around a power box by the gas station. It was pretty fucked up to be honest.

I think he means it was a real shooting but all staged, ie : paddock was the patsy.

Ah gotcha, in that case i for sure agree. Total set up with a lot of players behind the scenes.

Explain the bullet hole in my wife's cousin's husband's leg

Sorry to hear that, do you mind posting a picture and possibly there name? Also, do you mind explaining why there were paid actors at the event before the ‘shooting’ happened?

Look at my post history.

I spend 80% of it talking sports, mostly college football and specifically Michigan Wolverines.

I am a mod on the Michigan sub.

I practically dox myself already as have more than a few times shared the area I live in and have posted a picture of my son in the hospital.

So no, I won't say his name or post his picture. If that is the only thing holding me back from being credible, I guess I won't be credible enough. Even though my post history shows I am a real American person living in Southern California

Some of the shots sounded like 7.62 because some of the rifles were AR-10's. Some of the shots also sounded like 5.56.

I'd wager it's real, but also orchestrated by someone other than Paddock.

fake

The only true response to this thread is hidden (as per usual)

This is sub is so absurd its ridiculous but its good too see others "get it"

You're getting downvoted because this sub has been compromised by shills for at least 2 years now. There is a better, much more welcoming discussion of this event on Voat's conspiracy sub

Is voats on reddit?

Unfortunately, there won't be much discussion on questioning narratives on Reddit these days. As you can see, there will always be some user who's cousin's daughter's uncle's dog's previous owner's sister's favorite restaurant owner's twin who just happened to be involved in the event and happens to respond to you--on a conspiracy sub no less.

Voat is another website, similar to Reddit and they have a subverse dedicated to conspiracy theories too. They do their best to not be censor-happy like Reddit, though it results in some rather course language if you can stomach it. I just "emigrated" there to go down some conspiracy rabbit holes.

there will always be some user who's cousin's daughter's uncle's dog's previous owner's sister's favorite restaurant owner's twin who just happened to be involved in the event

I genuinely Lol'd

But ill check out Voat

getting a few hundred people browsing a thread, the odds that they know some distant relative or acquaintance that was personally involved in some sort of event like this is actually decent.

You really think that video is the truth?

It has some good points and when you watch the cops video cam of them going into the building the windows weren’t shot out. So what do you suppose is the truth?

Only the dead man knows the truth. I just know that Illuminati cards and Movie posters don't hold the truth.

You have to watch more than the first 30 seconds. He made some good points about shady trades in the derivative markets and what the MGM ceo is connected with. You know the video has some truth in it when YouTube banned all users that uploaded that video and then swept it.

I did watch more than 30 seconds, it's just that pointing at the intro is probably the best way to save everyone else minutes of their lives.

Usually conspiracy theorist enjoy a “coincidence” connection to Hollywood, considering this video wasn’t made for the average joe.

Also, if you don't think its possible that the PTB can fake a shooting you should watch We Need To Talk About Sandy Hook

I didn't say that, I just said that video was crap.

Not everthing has a reason.

Sometimes I play Mario Kart alone just to set the best lap time records.

It's not like we're going to hear some combination of words and then we'll be like "OH, okay. Now it makes sense!"

Because in this country we have investigations when crimes are committed, and usually those investigations lead to a believeable conclusion. This did not even have a conclusion.

The important crimes are covered up, not investigated.

Oh so 800 gunned down isn’t a crime, good to hear

The investigation was a sham.

Random killings are the scariest. What could you have done to prevent it? Maybe nothing.

What do you think reason means? If you think not everythimg has a reason it seems like we have different definitions of the word reason.

They released the security cam footage of him. What if there is no motive?

Hotel cams all have date/time stamps on the footage, because the main reason the cameras exist is to protect the hotel from slip and fall lawsuits.

They took months to release the hotel footage of Paddock and most of it had no date/time stamps, leading to reasonable suspicion that it was footage edited together from multiple visits to the hotel.

They all seemed like deepfake videos

The whole missing time stamp thing is weird, because if you were editing or creating footage to make it look like it was from the relevant time frame, you could have just added fake date/time stamps. So, why are those stamps just missing?

Not that it matters. If they were there, "you could have just added fake date/time stamps"

Pretty sure a lot of the angles were cropped to show just Paddock.

Reminds me of the CGI and facial recognition technology they can use to fabricate anyone.

It looks like they're doing this for the victims for all these shootings

I assume you watched the video from the NYT? I'm pretty sure a lot of the shots don't have dates because they were cropped out.

They released what, 4 maybe 5 minutes of footage?

First, he was there over 4 days, that's a very small representation of his time at the Mandalay Bay that weekend.

Second, did you watch that footage? He's relaxed, talking easily with the bellhops helping him with the luggage, he shows zero sign of a person who'd gun down anyone, let alone an entire music festival.

I find it weird that people always think they know what people would act like, before they do some unprecedented act

Havent you guys seen serial killer documentaries? The banality of evil? Just how mundane these people seem to be?

Absolutely true. But with most mass killers, you get some indication somewhere that something is off.

Paddock had no history of mental illness, no run in with any police or law inforcement agencies, absolutely no record of any political extremism, religious extremism, let no manifesto, there's no record from anyone who knew Paddock for more than 5 minutes that he was some sort of ticking time bomb.

Nothing.

This was a mild mannered 64 year old retired accountant who liked playing video poker and eating sushi, and nothing else adds up.

So he was like Ted Bundy who also happened to be a serial killer? literally nothing out of the ordinary guy?

Except, as far as we know, Paddock hadn't killed anyone else before Oct 1, 2017. He went from zero to 58 in about ten minutes.

Same with most mass shooters. How many of them had killed previously?

No, wrong. Most mass shooters have a long history of mental illnesses.

I was talking about previous killings.

I'm saying that's where he's different. Most others have documented cases of mental illnesses and in some of those cases law enforcement was already aware of them.

Bundy had a motive: a college girl rejected him so he started killing college girls.

Bundy also had years of questioning and confessions.

It was almost as if he was a front for a false flag or something...

I know, weird right

2 possibly handicapped kids in their parents basement talking conspiracies?

Well he was most likely a gambling addict. Not a total motive but it's something

If being a down on your luck gambling addict in Vegas caused this kind of behavior, this would not be the first time this happened though.

Paddock had no history of mental illness, no run in with any police or law inforcement agencies, absolutely no record of any political extremism, religious extremism, left no manifesto

other shooters have had similar experiences though...the clacksmas shooter, Charles Whitman,

Well everyone thought he was a dick. Maybe some kind of sociopath who always dreamed of acting out?

Paddock had no history of mental illness

No documented history. Big difference.

Paddock made numerous claims to friends and family that he consistently felt ill, in pain or fatigued. An interview was conducted with a physician in Las Vegas who identified himself as Paddock’s primary care physician since 2009. He last saw Paddock as a patient on or around October 2016 for an annual checkup. He recalled the only major ailment Paddock had was a slip and fall accident at a casino approximately 3 years earlier, which caused a muscle tear. The physician described Paddock as “odd" in behavior with “little emotion” shown. He believed Paddock may have had bipolar disorder however, Paddock did not want to discuss that topic further with him. Paddock also refused anti-depressant medication but accepted prescriptions for anxiety. He noted Paddock seemed fearful of medications, often refusing to take them. He did not believe Paddock was abusing any medications.

His father was also a diagnosed psychopath (according to the FBI) and we know that genetics plays a significant role in many psychopathic traits, such as the capacity for empathy.

Absolutely true. But with most mass killers, you get some indication somewhere that something is off.

I don't think that's true.

People who have decided to die are generally relaxed, even happy.

This. Sometimes there is no motive...shit just happens. We find comfort in knowing and reason, but some people are just fucked in the head and want to watch the world burn for their twisted enjoyment. It's hard for people to wrap their heads around, me included, when bad shit happens for no purpose.

shit just happens

I'm more than happy to buy into that for when a drunk driver kills a family of four, or a tsunami ravages a coastal country, but it just doesn't fit in this case.

He assembled weapons, for whatever purpose, he put a camera outside his suite to look at the hallway traffic. I actually read a report that said in his garage at his house in Mesquite he has shelves up with all the ammo neatly stacked and catalogued.

Nothing I've ever read about Paddock makes me think that this is a silent, secret murderer just waiting for his right time to strike.

I don't think that impossible at all. Some people just go insane later in life. Fall into psychosis and go completely nuts. Most serial killers don't have a real motive either, just a compulsion to kill as many as possible.

the most likely theory I've heard is that he was an arms dealer. hence, the multiple duplicates of firearms, and having firearms without sights or optics on them. So either a deal went wrong and he went out with a bang, or someone used an illegal arms dealer as a patsy.

No, lol. That's silly. If there is no motive, the person is obviously mentally unstable, which is possible but not likely with Paddock.

There is always a motive, even if it's just a breakup or something. Most of these things are politically motivated. My guess was that Paddock was a radical leftist and wanted to kill a bunch of conservatives so guns would be banned.

Either that or it was the Saudi's trying to make it look that way, which is why they're hiding the motives.

Motive literally means "reason for doing a thing". The guy did a thing, therefore by definition there is a motive. There is a reason it happened. A set of logically connected events in his life and his mind that lead to him taking the actions he took. I can't understand what you could possibly mean by "no motive" in this situation.

they also released some interviews with people who talked to him before.

Paddock also reportedly spouted conspiracy theories, saying for example that the FEMA camps built for refugees who lost their homes in Hurricane Katrina in 2005 were “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin’ down doors and... confiscating guns.”

Another woman recalled overhearing a man that looked like Paddock talking to another man at a restaurant in las Vegas days before the massacre. She told police that Paddock was ranting about two separate events that took place in the 1990s. One was the standoff at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992, where a right-wing activist resisting federal weapons charges moved with his family to a remote cabin, leading to an 11-day armed standoff with authorities. The other was the 51-day standoff in Waco, Texas, between a Christian cult and police, which led to the deaths of more than 80 people, including 22 children.

but this is r/conspiracy so according to them a youtube video with a few thousand views of a pixel is more credible than vice.

The motive was he lost a lot of money and wanted revenge on the casino. The casino has control over the cops in Vegas and is not letting the motive get out because other gamblers who also lost money may be inspired to take revenge too.

I don't think so. He paid off all his debts.

Paid his debts with what money? Probably the most recent deposit to his account for hundreds of thousands of dollars will be the person who convinced him to go postal.

And then killed himself?

Lose a ton of money gambling.

Shoot a bunch of random people who had nothing to do with itfrom a hotel window to ruin hotel's brand.

Kill self.

Is that the proposed series of events/thought process here?

Wrong. His accounts were all in order, he had actually paid up his debt to the casino well before the shooting. And, even if he was angry at Mandalay Bay, why not shoot up Mandalay Bay itself?

Nothing about your reasoning makes any sense.

Dunno about the rest of his theory, but a music festival is a very target rich environment from a place he could fortify

LVMPD report shows he had paid off all his debts before the shooting and still had money in savings. https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1-October-FIT-Criminal-Investigative-Report-FINAL_080318.pdf Page 111

sacrifice to the dark god

The dark god money

The series of press conferences that followed were so disturbing to watch.

THIS! The difference between Sherrif Lombardo that first night and the next day, when he had that FBI agent standing right beside him is extremely telling.

And Campos' only appearance on Ellen with a handler when it was Jesus Campos' story that was closest to Paddock and always fucking changing.

That handler was Stephen Schrute (sp?), the Mandalay Bay engineer who supposedly was called up to the 32nd floor along with Campos, however Campos doesn't mention him at all in his original statement to officers.

Stephen Schrute

was connected to a company called Powersports in Reno, not Las Vegas.

Stephen Schuck, I knew I got that spelling wrong

https://www.ellentube.com/video/ellen-meets-las-vegas-survivors-jesus-campos-and-stephen-schuck.html

No relation to Dwight.

false, Dwight would never relate himself to that amateur let alone allow him to be related. if he were to have completed this mission his accuracy would have been far superior to this haddock fishman. how do you think he earned his assistant management position?!

Dude, what? I said "NO relation to Dwight."

I was making a joke lol nevermind

I mean, I get that you were doing the Dwight Schrute bit. It doesn't make sense though. You state "False," but then follow-up with the same notion that as I, that there's no relation between the two.

well I didn't think it mattered since I was just spouting off bullshit. as a joke. I can edit the false part out at the beginning if you'd like? it's not that deep lol

You're good, man, no need to edit. It's just an out-of-place reference because it doesn't fit well. I had to read it a few times because I was thinking, "Wait, is he saying 'false' but then agreeing with me?"

haha nope just me being an idiot, sorry I confused you!

I wasn't confused, your joke didn't make sense. Anyway, have a nice one.

*assistant to the manager.

MICHAEL

That interview was crazy there’s a point in time where Alan asked him a question and they both look at the palm of their hands at the same exact time it’s either body language or referring to notes but I made a gif out of it and send it to my friend with the caption something like when you got to get the answer right LOL. Also how about the people that died shortly after.

Who died after

Something like 13 of the 'survivors' that were claiming multiple shooters died of varying circumstances after the shooting.

That's very interesting. Do you have a link?

if you cared, you would look for yourself.

"source?" is the laziest, half-hearted way anyone replies on reddit. Im not attacking you personally, so dont take it the wrong way, but its something I've seen ALOT on reddit lately.

the internet is a vast space. If someone has already located the source for a specific claim, why not allow them to pass on their findings? This isn’t to say that you shouldn’t double check these sources, however.

Never, ever, ever asking anyone for the sauce. Hell most cooking subreddits its a requirement

Source?

If you make a claim you should back it up with a source in the first place, maybe that’s why people ask for sources? To make sure whoever is making claims actually knows what they’re talking about

Source for that claim?

Don't ask your reddit for a source. Ask what source can you give to your reddit.

I'll try and look. I've not been involved in this case for some time.

I’m interested to see that as well!!!

here’s one

Boy what a weird article. Especially since the wife is quoted as saying “This isn’t what I wanted for him,” Denise McClellan told the TV station. “I don’t understand why he wasn’t taken at the shooting, but a month later he was taken this way. I hope my husband found peace and he’s safe now.”

You don’t understand why he wasn’t taken at the shooing? Wtf!? Wouldn’t you have not wanted him taken at all??

Wow its no longer available.

Wrong

and another one

A lot of emotionally charged wording in that piece - with nay but a line of two to describe the actual accident that killed that couple... “a loud bang” wtf?!

Wait wait.... So they crashed into a metal gate half a mile from their home and then burst into flames and still managed to drive to their street where their daughter saw the flaming vehicle? Then the flames were so intense that it took firefighters a fucking hour to put it out? That is extremely fishy.

then there’s this

Alright let's just use some logic here. 22,000 people were at the festival. What are the chances that 6 of them would die in the coming months. ONLY 6. 7452 people die every day in America. One of those died in her sleep, perhaps stress related, heart attack or stroke. No COD given. Half of those were struck out anyway. A few of them didn't even have a source confirming death or identity. This all just seems like hullabaloo.

Now show me a journalist who was speaking out against the narrative killed in a suspicious way, now we're talking

So not 13 as the guy above says. But still something fishy going on. Reminds me of the Clinton murders. Journalists should investigate the related coroners, see if they were pressured to “rush” the autopsies.

you have never been "involved with this case"

jesus you people are literal. It's meant INVOLVED as in, spending my time reading about this case and trying like all you armchair detectives to figure shit out. chill out with your indignation

'Involved in this case', Lol

'taking a word literally' lol

I searched this subreddit with the keyword "Vegas Survivors" and found a couple stories

https://www.intellihub.com/las-vegas-massacre-survivor-dies-abruptly-after-posting-eyewitness-account/

https://www.commonsenseevaluation.com/2017/10/29/another-las-vegas-survivor-who-claimed-there-were-multiple-gunmen-found-dead/#sthash.BpuSXUft.dpbs

https://twitter.com/PGYOMikey/status/924285471777271808

http://ibankcoin.com/zeropointnow/2017/11/01/final-destination-two-more-vegas-survivors-die-weirdly/#sthash.uvDMMszO.Z92qFjYg.dpbs

I don't know if some of these overlap, but I thought I'd just quickly do this (took me under a minute) so the guy replying below me would stop bitching

https://youtu.be/F7gj1FoRIfE at the 4:54 mark

http://www.magapodcast.com/2017/11/11/saudi-arabia-and-the-las-vegas-connection-episode-44/

I cover all the dead witnesses on this podcast, If you scroll down you can read about the dead witnesses. Pretty crazy.

Also the one no one mentions is the guy who killed himself and his retarded daughter when he found out he was to be questioned about the shooting. Apparently it was his phone charger in the room or something.

MAGA podcast? Is this a Q anon pod

Well that's fucking interesting.

It is bust statistically feasible because there were like 22-25k people there

But how many of the survivors were claiming multiple shooters? That minimizes your total population.

But not all that died were claiming that

So I guess we need to look at the population separately and find the proportions of each and see if there's a statistically significant difference?

I think thats the vague part, I dont remember that being a common thread at all.

Plus nearly every mass shooting has involved panicked people immediately after claiming gun shots from everywhere (multiple shooters)

Why did you put survivors in quotes?

So far no link. I call bullshit

dude, i have a life. one that i don't live on the internet scouring for links for you to find. I'm sure google can find some info. If you were following this since last year, there's really NO WAY you didn't know about this anyway. It was pretty widely known.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/couple-with-henderson-ties-die-in-crash-after-surviving-las-vegas-shooting/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/26/another-las-vegas-massacre-survivor-dies-weeks-later-this-time-in-a-hit-and-run/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0d7d62b415d9

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/third-survivor-las-vegas-shooting-11590779

http://www.dispatch.com/zz/news/20171011/vegas-shooting-survivor-california-charity-co-founder-dies-suddenly

https://www.lvcriminaldefense.com/eight-las-vegas-witnesses-dead-within-30-days-attack/

You can use google to find more. this took a whole 2 min.

I'm not sure that there is anything fishy about this. It seems normal that out of 1000 plus survivors some died after the event. Also many people thought it was multiple shooters initially. The rate of fire was so high bc pump stocks. Many people don't go on record and redact their initial opinion after the event but instead just try to deal and live with the trauma and don't relive the events to cope.

wtf.

Is this accurate though? Were all 13 of the people who died claiming multiple shooters?

How many who claimed multiple shooters did not die?

What is the number of survivors? Considering it was a music festival wasnt there like 20 thousand people there alone? Not to mention the people in vegas in general?

Holy shit link?

https://youtu.be/F7gj1FoRIfE

That was a different guy on Ellen. Compare the first pics that came out of him and the body cam footage to Ellen. The picture guy/bodycam are the same dude, different dude on Ellen.

Do you know how to find that? Id like to watch

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9k4hrd/nearly_everyone_has_forgotten_the_las_vegas/

They learned then dont tell local le the truth. Fast forward to last month and you have a clueless sheriff after the fbi swooped in to the observatory.

Theyre evolving

That's a very good point!

It was my understanding it was a hit on the crown prince of Saudi by his nephew.

Seems like there’s a lot, of potentials.

Suspicious the top floors of that hotel are owned, by a prince that got purged once king Solomon returned, to Saudi.

Indeed. I’ve not seen anything about it in a while but I believe there’s footage of the crown prince in disguise at another hotel, wonder if it was the same hotel that other shots were heard, I can’t remember the name of it.

By in disguise do you mean dressed like a regular person?

If I remember correctly, yes.

It’s the clip of him being escorted out through the main floor of the Tropicana.

Weren't there shots reported there as well?

Yes. Shots reported at multiple casinos.

I think there may have been shots at the Bellagio as reported by Renee Downs

Yes reported but any bulletholes or victims or evidence? This is a common theme in mass shootings

I don’t think that’s true. I remember seeing the video saying it was a Saudi prince or something being escorted by cops.

Then the dude who was actually being escorted turned out to be a guy who worked at the casino that was in charge of al the cameras or security or something like that.

Lol This deserves more upvotes.

The man in the video was ID'ed. It was a Tropicana security executive. Beside the executive saying it himself, tattoos and clothing matched up on his personal facebook.

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Do Saudi royalty get tattoos?

or wear softball cleats in a casino

To blend in.

Why the fuck would they have guns drawn to move some nobody through the casino? He could have walked through and no one would give a fuck, instead they were pointing guns at everyone.

This the guy whos security was pointing guns at the crowd? Seemed unprofessional tacticool behavior

Well recall the big round up of corrupt princes last Nov. They were detained at the “ Ritz”, while their ill gotten gains were frozen. Yeah, Trump helped with that. Leg one down of the stool. I think related somehow to this.

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Bill Gates is a co-owner of the top floors. Connect the dot to microsoft

Wouldn't be the first time we let Saudis murder people on American soil

http://www.magapodcast.com/2017/11/11/saudi-arabia-and-the-las-vegas-connection-episode-44/

It's an old one, but I cover this in-depth here.

the US MSM had ready to roll fake victims and survivors, day two.

Getty and Reuters had their exciting drill photos ready to roll on Monday.

so not just a Saudi affair.

I would have to agree, more bad actors than just the saudis.

Damn, havent heard that one yet.

You were being serious? I presumed with a user name like that you’d have heard of this theory?

It’s half a video game reference if I’m not mistaken

Yea, youre right. Its from back when the incident first happened and the question was how his accuracy could have been so good for that short amount of time. I honestly haven't kept up with the case though. So much other shit has happened since then it's hard to focus on one event.

Can you explain this briefly?

Why would a hit on a single person involve shooting into a huge crowd from a window?

Because it's a terrible theory, it's just that people refuse to accept that this could be a mentally ill person.

Instead the idea is that the shooter was an FBI agent doing a sting against ISIS who were trying to murder a Saudi prince. It went bad an ISIS shot their way out. Then the feds framed their own guy who was killed to cover this up.

That's just twisted and obscure enough to sound plausible (if not likely).

It's really not.

Was watergate possible? I remember the days when it wasn’t, until it was.

You remember watergate?

A corrupt president is very different from the purported FBI/ISIS/Saudi Vegas conspiracy.

Sure it is, that doesn't make it any less of a "holy shit that actually happened" event.

Truth is often stranger than fiction.

It's about as plausible as a derranged affluent guy shooting on a crowd from 30 floors up

No it is not. Clearly he was a mentally ill rich guy that wanted to do something wild BECAUSE OF THE MASS SHOOTERS BEFORE HIM. There would literally be no other reason to shoot at that crowd. Isis shooting their way out sounds so fucking stupid lol

You're suggesting a false dichotomy saying it was either the Saudi theory or a mentally ill person. It could be a false flag to support gun control propaganda or smoke and mirrors from something else going on. I thought this was the conspiracy subreddit but I swear most comments I see now are people that use confirmation bias to try and debunk any theory that goes against the narrative.

Well you’re supposed to support theories with evidence. A prince owning the top floor of the hotel is not evident Isis was involved. Bill Gates should also be involved than, right? Or at least known of what was going to happen?

Clearly he was a mentally ill rich guy that wanted to do something wild BECAUSE OF THE MASS SHOOTERS BEFORE HIM.

No evidence for this in the slightest.

But most would probably suggest that other mass shootings in America are done because they plaster these people’s faces all over the news. It is pretty understood these things are a trend.

But most would probably suggest

Fake argument with NO support or way to support it. And saying he did it because of a "trend" is also quite weak.

So what do you think happened?

Not mental illness for a start.

What do you think about the anti-anxiety medication found in his system?

I don't think it suggests he did it because of mass shooters before him.

Well I think it caused some weird violent thoughts, and recent mass shootings came to mind because he is a gun guy. Sounds pretty reasonable tbh

and recent mass shootings came to mind because he is a gun guy. Sounds pretty reasonable tbh

Makes no sense tbh

Makes perfect sense. Crazy people think crazy things. He turned the tv on, saw someone on CNN calling for gun control or someone talking about mass shootings. Mass shootings are a popular topic. All it could’ve took was one moment of thinking “I could do that lol”

That’s what happened.

Most general, weaksauce claim I've ever heard. At least speculation about the Crown Prince has SOME basis.

"think" is where you go from "evidence" to fallible.

There is no evidence Isis or Saudi Arabia or anyone else was involved in this shooting.

We don't know.. we just know the story told is bullshit...

Dude, you realize just about anything is plausible nowadays.. I mean we are on rock that us rotating on it's axis at break neck speeds spinning around a giant nuclear reaction? And this and all life in the universe came from giant cosmic explosion...

Well his gf did work for the fbi

people refuse to accept that this could be a mentally ill person.

Feds haven't tried using this as an excuse/explanation. Why? Seems like mental illness would be the obvious thing for them to blame it on (or money troubles), but instead we just keep getting told "no motive" every time it comes up. Shit don't make sense.

Couldn't mental illness be "no motive"?

What mental illness specifically? He was not psychotic, as he set up cameras and clearly had planned shit well.

Hes dead. Professionals dont evaluate people they have no direct experience with. This comes up all the time whenever psychologists try to say trump has some illness. It is against the standards of the industry to remotely diagnose somebody.

Paddock can no longer be evaluated.

Aren't we already diagnosing him after he's dead when we say mental illness caused the event? He didn't have a diagnosis as far as I'm aware. Then again, I'm not aware of any diagnosis that could explain his actions, and if there was one that suddenly affected older people with no history of mental illness and caused them to do shit like this you'd think it'd be a fairly well studied phenomenon.

Yes, but kinda a generic diagnosis. Point taken. He could have been clear headed just did something evil. Could have been cte. Or he could have been ordered by the CIA to shoot into a crowd for some undetermined purpose.

Gunshots are hard to hide in a place like Vegas. But if there's a highly public shooting with hundreds of gunshots, even a decent sized firefight could be written off as echoes.

A street lined with complex concrete and glass angles would be absolutely chaotic with echoes

This is what I thought too. Either that or a gun deal gone bad. Possibly a combination of the two.

How does a gun deal gone bad turn into a massacre on a crowd. You people are reaching so hard.

You people

What do you mean by that? Do you think you know a single thing about me?

Why does any massacre on a crowd happen? To prove a point. Whether it was his point or someone else's point, there was a reason.

Adam Lanza didn’t have a concrete reason. He did what Lanza did, but on a huge scale due to his funds.

Sorry for the “you people” thing. I’m an idiot for saying that.. it’s just frustrating that so many people are writing off mental illness just because he was rich.

No people are writing off mental illness because the only evidence of it is that he allegedly did this crazy thing. Nothing else worried anyone and all the supposed tape evidence shows a pretty chill guy. I don't know how much time you've spent around crazy people but I do know they come in all sorts. So it is possible.

I do sleep studies for a living. I see the craziest of crazies. I’ve had a respectable patient tell me he can’t sleep and now knows why people go crazy shoot places up. You can read my post history if you don’t believe I actually perform sleep studies.

Oh, and I also live in Florida. Ever heard of ‘Florida Man’? Bunch of ticking time bombs here..

Florida man reveals plot to conceal mechanically timed explosives in respectable sleep study patient for knowing the causes of location-independent mentally unstable firearm dischargers' choice to open fire.

Dang

The idea is that the feds set them up, and the massacre is to make the feds cover it up themselves, as they are complicit.

The crown prince was not there in Vegas during the massacre. It was some other nobody prince of Saudi

Okay I agree but why slaughter folks at a concert?

Distraction, shift the blame? I don’t know, I only hope one say the truth is shown.

I was in Vegas a few days after the massacre and they were replacing shot out windows as far down the strip as the Wynn. We don't have half the story.

What did you expect? Party hats and kittens?

It's people trying to put details together of a mass shooting. Of course it's disturbing.

Stephen Paddock was a classic psychopath. He had nothing but disgust for his fellow man. He wanted to kill people, that was his motive. Stop trying to use your imagination and make connections to arms dealing the govmt having a hand in this. There is zero evidence for a conspiracy.

Here are my unanswered questions:

Which windows were used for which volleys?

YouTuber John Cullen explored the possibility of shots coming from helicopters. Is this a legit theory?

Who are the three women who had identification in Paddock's room?

What was the big deal about the important phone charger?

Was the missing hard drive removed in the hotel room? If so, where did it go?

Why would he pay off his debts?

Who was the guy running on the hotel roof?

What was the function of Paddock's Paradise Ranch corporation?

What did Paddock use his airplanes and pilot license for?

Paddock originally wanted 32-235. Would that also provide a good desired angle for him?

Why would he pay off his debts?

Why not? If you know you're gonna go, might as well settle it

That could be

That's a very Islamic thing to do.

You're getting downvoted, but I'll just add that I've always thought it was odd that ISIS claimed Paddock as one of their own multiple times.

Sure, I'll give a pass to the one mention, but they doubled down on it, and continued to insist that he had converted to Islam and was a warrior for the IS.

I don't buy that that's true but, again, something always seemed out of place about ISIS putting that much effort into telling the world Paddock was one of them.

Isn't that in the Quran to pay off your debts before you die?

That makes a lot of sense actually.

There are a lot of coincidences that align with radical Islam.

Didn't his girlfriend live in or travel to the most heavily populated Islamic country on the planet?

Nobody can really explain where he got his funding. That almost implies it was given to him, not even something he got on his own through illegal dealings.

The fact that he was highly organized but chose targets at random.

Compare that with school shooters who almost always are taking out frustrations on a specific group they already have problems with.

Where else to do we see prepared attacks on random civilians?

You never see that these days unless it's Islamic terrorism.

Also, it's my understanding that the consensus has been that ISIS rarely if ever has claimed credit for something they don't do.

I personally would do the opposite though.... but that’s just me

Depends if you're fucking over someone decent or it was some loan shark or something I guess.

I feel like the majority would do exactly that.

I know that wouldn't be something I'd even consider while plotting. But I'm not a Mastermind, and I'd probably made a fool of myself.

Lol same... my debts would be the last thing on my mind if I were planning a mass-murder suicide!

But unless you are planning one, you likely dont think like the kind of person who is going to commit a mass murder suicide.

And I’m not a mastermind either.... I actually am in awe when I see a well- thought-out, executed plan... of any kind that requires conniving/scheming because I’m so so so bad at it! My brain just doesn’t think that way... like when I watch those thriller Lifetime movies that involve a jealous ex terrorizing the family, I always am like “I would never think to do that” lol

Stalking and terrorizing a family isn't the same as masterminding a power grab or coup or assasination or something

I’m the same way. From 9/11 to the Las Vegas shooting I think, “Holy shit, that was genius.” Definitely not the good kind of genius, but genius nonetheless.

In no way do I advocate or support mass killings of innocent people, but I can recognize good planning and wonder what those people could accomplish if they tried to do something halfway decent with their lives.

You should settle all your debts before you go. Thank me afterwards.

The money would get taken out of his estate anyway. If you didn’t want your beneficiaries to know how much gambling debt you’d racked up, you might pay it off instead of them getting the bill.

So the IRS doesn't bother you in heaven or something?

Where can I read more about the “man running on the hotel roof”? I hadn’t heard about that.

There is a video of a man running across the roof of I think is the Tropicana, around 11-12 that night. Look for it on YouTube.

And a couple of mentions on the police scanner as well

Link it

There has been a purge of LV incident videos on YT recently. Their was a post about it a month or so ago showing the difference in YT search results.

Cant trust any of these sites anymore

anymore

lol yeah okay

The internet was a different place 10 years ago. If you weren't there, then you'll never know the freedom we used to enjoy.

Yeah okay. If you don't think google has been in with the CIA since the beginning, maybe.

what just because Jones and some of his ilk were censored? the laws haven't changed much since DMCA, you know, the one that really changed things, so any prior lenience was the gracious will of the companies in question.

No, I'm talking about the wild west that was the internet in the early 2000's that died ~2008. It used to be a free for all, anything goes shit show, and it was awesome. Websites featuring what would be unspeakable topics today, like "The Explosives and Weapons Forum" could not only exist, but thrive. The FBI began shutting them down and it has never been the same.

been here since 1992, bud

That’s because deep state is trying to get rid of evidence. They r purging everything and censoring everyone who does not agree with their views and politics. This is nothing short of criminal. At least we know The hammer is coming down soon on all the corruption and sickness. They took down Granhams questioning of JK because it proves what can and will happen to traitors in the US. Enjoy the show folks! It’s coming soon soon soon.

oh, come on. so you even have a single link to any of the purged videos? everyone knows the internet doesn't forget. the truth is out there and your knee jerk reaction is only obscuring it.

Wow. Is ur head in sand. Wake up. Look around u at what is happening. If u r a D, #walkaway. They r dividing this country only to save their agenda, which doesn’t include saving you. The internet doesn’t forget? Fairy tale!!! The internet is controlled by major corporations. They can and do take down videos, commentary etc that does not met their agenda. Classic is the Graham/ Kav interview. Where is it??? censorship is rampant on tube, twat and farcebk. Geez. Do your research to understand the truth about what is really happening in our country, before it’s too late. The G/K vid is Gone cuz they don’t want people to see it. No knee jerk anything here. My eyes are wide open. Why aren’t yours????

I'm not a Democrat and I've never been, but I vote for their presidential candidates because voting for any other is a vote for Trump, especially in this climate.

What hammer? Q anon?

Trump and Q

Q needs to hydrate and maybe supplememnt some potassium. Those leg cramps are a real killer

Since Trump Inauguration: 52,000 SEALED INDICTMENTS 4663 UNSEALED INDICTMENTS 71,040 NON-SEALED INDICTMENTS 4,295 CEO RESIGNATIONS 85 EXECUTIVE ORDERS 912 ARREST EVENTS

And that’s just to date.

Trump is draining the swamp. He is freezing corrupt assets. He IS MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. There is no denying this.

Who could possibly say this is not a great thing? Only the corrupt whose punch bowl is being taken away, that’s who.

Why was he committing tax fraud and hiring goldman sachs and paul manafort?

could be. still, be more useful to know the URLs, usernames or titles of the videos in question.

Have you ever been to Vegas? Theres no way you can see someone running on the roof of such big hotels.

https://youtu.be/zYnHZMpM_G8

https://youtu.be/zYnHZMpM_G8

Much better than the other one I watched.

I do love that this guy is saying that there is an obvious rifle that the guy has on the roof. How do you see that in the 4 pixels they zoomed into.

when you want to be right enough, you'll see what you want to.

That applies to like 95% of the content on this page

and about 100% of this conspiracy.

This makes the most sense

Source for the break in info?

Just Google it it was all in the news.

I think we’d all rather know which source he used

NE: this goes for all people asking for sources in this sub id wager

Sure I understand, I guess sometimes we probably assume people research or paid attention to the same level as some of us. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11/las-vegas-shooters-home-broken-into-despite-intense-fbi-police-interest.html

I guess people think that sounds standoffish but I appreciate the honesty and I’m sure many think just like you so thank you and have an upvote

Just because we can google something doesn’t mean we know which source is most credible and won’t put a spin on it (you need multiple no matter what but for a synopsis it helps)

Why the down votes ?usually if somebody mentioned something and I care I will go check for myself.

People mopped up Dillinger's blood as he lay dying. Don't underestimate the perceived power of momentos.

his hose was ransacked

Jesus have they no shame? a man's hose is sacred.

the bodycam shows no windows broken

I feel that they didn't see the broken window right away which is why they would say that. How windy would it be? Would it be obviously windy?

If you've ever been to Vegas, you would know that the minute the sun goes down, the wind blows.

At a higher altitude too...

But I mean how windy would it be in the room with the window broken?

Very.

The pressure from the AC inside the building would blow the curtains out the window. More pressure would flow out the window once the hotel door was opened / shot up / kicked down too.

They would know right away.

F B I, look no further.

Here's a fascinating exercise: Every major newsworthy event over the past 20 years has been the target of massive speculation regarding its potential to be a part of some vast conspiracy. Every mass killing is a false flag. Every crashed plane was downed by some shadowy agency. Some people even try to claim that natural disasters are a part of these conspiracies.

So... does anything bad ever happen that's NOT a grand conspiracy? It seems like we should expect some bad things to happen. There are violent people in the world. Some of them are not socially stable. We should expect that, logically, to result in some terrible events.

But it seems like conspiracy theory culture is asserting that this never happens. Why is that?

Go far enough down that rabbit hole, and you'll find a vast web of conspiracy... albeit an unintentional one.

It seems some events are over reported and others are under reported.

You'll hear about a shooter who shot 3 people on a college campus for a minute on the evening news and then never again. Then Sandy Hook comes along and there is all sorts of detailed reports and coroner interviews and police video discrepency etc. etc.

Just because you wouldn’t pay your debt, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t. He was a successful man.. People like that pay their debts. Lots of people pay their debts before they kill themelves

Where did he get all his money. Didn't they say he was a professional video poker player? video poker? LMFAO what?

For the second one, his gun might have jammed or feeding otherwise stopped. IIRC, the aurora shooter ended his shooting early because his rifle had jammed, and he attempted to blend in with the crowd and flee? Of course, it would be assuring if someone actually told us why Paddock stopped shooting.

Paddock had a lot more guns up there with him though. Plenty of ammo.

Nobody has even claimed (as far as I know) that his ability to shoot was hindered by anything at all.

Originally the story was that they busted into the room and killed him and that's why he stopped.

Then later they were like, "Naw we waited outside a couple hours after he stopped shooting then we went in".

And people were like..."but then why did he stop shooting"?

....crickets...crickets.

Paddock had a lot more guns up there with him though. Plenty of ammo.

Nobody has even claimed (as far as I know) that his ability to shoot was hindered by anything at all.

Originally the story was that they busted into the room and killed him and that's why he stopped.

Then later they were like, "Naw we waited outside a couple hours after he stopped shooting then we went in".

And people were like..."but then why did he stop shooting"?

....crickets...crickets.

It's impossible to be a professional video poker player, at least over the long term. The machines are programmed to pay out like 97% of the money put into them. So if you played long enough, you would theoretically eventually have 97% of the money you put in. It's not like live poker where you play against other players and there is a lot of skill involved.

Exactly

This is actually not true. There are professional machine players who take advantage of promotions and player rewards at casinos to play machines at a positive win %. Its a grind and takes a lot of dedication but it's possible to make money playing when factoring in promotions and player rewards

Are you sure there isn't anybody else you can copy/paste that message to?

lmfao.

2 people? You guys were both wrong so I thought I'd inform you. Typical of people in this sub when presented with facts lmfao

"Nope. That ain't true"!

BOOM what a FACT. lol

Fuck off.

Lmao apparently you can't read either.

This is actually not true. There are professional machine players who take advantage of promotions and player rewards at casinos to play machines at a positive win %. Its a grind and takes a lot of dedication but it's possible to make money playing when factoring in promotions and player rewards

Real estate investments. He owned apartment buildings somewhere, I think florida

Just being black sheep here. If dude did this with crushing debt on his head it might make a little more sense. Perhaps he paid off his debts to show us it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with us. Some men just want to watch the world burn

Also, does anyone know if Campos shot at the room? This could easily be figured out if all evidence is untampered with.

Why did press release an official photo of the cart that officers rested their water bottles on? Why did they not respect the crime scene?

Why were there so many wounds such as Campos' that seemed to leave such an acutely tight in diameter wound which seemed to not do much damage? Is this due to the distance and slowing of velocity from hotel to fest and the resistance of the bullet shooting through it? Is that why it didn't do much damage?

Does it matter to officials that answers are obtained in regards to this tragedy if the threat is dead so what motive is there to find a motive?

an acutely tight in diameter wound which seemed to not do much damage?

silicone moulage, go look at the William King video, its a joke, bullet into the chest and out the back, no bruising or broken ribs, no lung damage

Also, does anyone know if Campos shot at the room? This could easily be figured out if all evidence is untampered with.

There is video of him saying he fired at the room. I'll find it. It's on the bodycam footage.

He also appears to be walking around fine

There is no motive to find a motive because if there isn’t any money to be made, narrative to be manufactured, or country to invade, we literally don’t give a fuck.

Think of who gains/loses from discovering a motive. Will a motive help or hurt liberals achieving gun control? If it's just a crazed looney than all the more reason to restrict guns, but if there is a certain reason for him doing it, that detracts the focus from the narrative they want. Then they'll passively adjust the narrative as new developments form but they don't want new incriminating information. Or perhaps the motive uncovers information that might not be attractive to Mandalay Bay. They're just trying to avoid liability. So they won't voluntarily give up more information that might complicate things for some people.

Think of who gains/loses from discovering a motive. Will a motive help or hurt liberals achieving gun control? If it's just a crazed looney than all the more reason to restrict guns, but if there is a certain reason for him doing it, that detracts the focus from the narrative they want. Then they'll passively adjust the narrative as new developments form but they don't want new incriminating information. Or perhaps the motive uncovers information that might not be attractive to Mandalay Bay. They're just trying to avoid liability. So they won't voluntarily give up more information that might complicate things for some people.

6 years since Sandy Hook and no motive there, either...even tho they certainly tried to manufacture a great many.

Well Lanza had a documented history of mental instability. Paddock did not.

Even that documented history is filled with extreme contradictions and anomalies...and since precisely zero family members have come forward to verify them I tend to be suspicious.

It’s mental illness. It’s filled with “extreme contradictions and anomalies”.

Uh huh....he was a confirmed recluse but his neighbours claimed he was a hiking fanatic.

He hated touching metal so much he wouldn't even touch a brass doorknob...but loved playing the saxophone.

He was emaciated (6' tall and 117 pds) from lack of nutrition but somehow managed to haul dozens of pounds of guns and ammunition into a school.

He hated loud noises but fired of 100s of rounds of ammo in an enclosed space.

The entire narrative is nonsense.

The Life of Adam by Independent Media Solidarity

https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfAdam

Where did it say there was no blood in his hat?

In the picture of his hat.

Honestly there would be far fewer defenders of the official narrative if people actually took the time to actually read the report. Unfortunately the 1000s of random pages the State Police dumped do not make it easy to navigate but it's necessary.

I was asking for a source, not doubting anything. Maybe you do need to be medicated because it sounds like you need to calm the fuck down.

Nice deflection from your own attack...obvious...but nice.

Attack? Wtf are you talking about? I was simply asking for a source about the hat.

Lol...you didn't even recognize your own quote...smh

You could have a normal discussion without acting do arrogant because you claim to know everything.

He's not the one who needs to calm down.

After 6 years of reading the arrogant, insulting, uninformed comments by people like the poster I was talking to "You guys are bonkers and need to be medicated." I don't really give a shit what you think...or even care why you would choose to defend that type of discourse while shitting on someone actually providing verifiable facts.

So you are cordially invited to take your opinion and get bent.

Man I really was spot on with the medication comment. Wow. I was asking about the hat, because I don’t know anything about it, and you LOST YOUR SHIT and are continuing to do so. I really hope you don’t own any guns.

And the deflection continues...granted becoming even more obvious...

Have anything else besides personal attacks? Anything at all about the case? Any refutations? Anything at all on topic?

What’s your opinion on why Sandy Hook happened?

No idea. Likely to create fear to leverage into more control.

It’s certainly creating fear...

You could still be a bit nicer.

And you could be a lot smarter.

I'll try my friend.

So will I. Unfortunately people tend to get what they give...and the poster showed up slinging insults and arrogance...so guess what he got?

That was from a DIFFERENT comment entirely.

No? Really? I had no idea....smfh.

"You guys"...to whom was that comment directed? The person that made it...or everyone with questions about the event?

I wonder.

You were ignorant and arrogant to that poster but get your panties in a bunch when someone hands it back to you because you don't know what you're talking about.

Go back to Twitter

Ohhh...ouch...! Nothing like a content free, personal attack to showcase an astounding lack of insight or intelligence. The battle cry of the drooling class.

Braaaaavo.

Lmao everything is personal with you, isn’t it?

You really are a specimen aren't you. You inject yourself into this thread to tell me to take my thoughts and opinions elsewhere while insulting me and don't recognize how that's personal.

Not an honours student I'd guess.

are you mad

Going to the official report would be a good place to start right?

Send your source over guy

Source for what? His hat? Read the report...do some research.

Where's your source? Guessing your hostility is due to you not having one, don't forget were all on the same team here...

There's a 6000 page State Police report. The photo is contained within it. Read it. Or...you could do the most basic of Google searches and find it. Why haven't you already done that?

We're all on the same team here? You can't possibly be that naive.

I've seen the aftermath of a suicide where the person shot himself in the head. I witnessed the brain matter and the blood splatter on the floor and wall. I was helping a friend get clothes from their bedroom so she wouldn't have to see it.

It is my belief that there would have brain matter if he shot himself in the head based solely on my own experience.

Yeah, like he said, mental illness.

Holy cow. That is utterly terrifying.

And then there's this...

No media outlet has ever reported the claims of the Librarian, who says in her statement to police, that right after the intercom came on and broadcast the screams and gunshots she went to the library door to lock it and saw a man in the hallway, in plain clothes, with a gun.

This in an area Lanza never even approached...(on the opposite side of the school from which the shooting occurred)...and many minutes before police ever arrived.

Mental illness isn't a motive.

Doesn't explain the holes in the official narrative.

Especially the memorial Facebook pages for the victims before they were "killed". The "parents" being seen acting in other crisis' as well as acting strange.

The bus driver who hid kids at his house.

Sources on fb pages predating incident? As well as the bus driver story referenced

Thanks bus driver story is super weird... Not sure if he was a bus driver but his name was Gene Rosen.. his story is so weird and it changes..and how did the kids get to his house

Rosen wasn't the bus driver...he was the resident of the home next to the fire station whose lawn the children allegedly sat on. The bus driver that was there was off duty at the time driving her own vehicle.

Yeah I knew that didn't sound right.. either way the story is very weird

either way the story is very weird

Of that there is no doubt

All of this information can be found right here in our backyard..

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8lwb88/sandy_hook_was_the_most_obvious_hoax_shooting_to/

Not true. You guys need to put away the tin foil hats.

I truly doubt that narrative though..... he probably didn’t have any ammo in his room. All the authorities would need to do is plant guns in his room for The post-“suicide” photo shoot (which they did) ...... I mean, why was that photo even released? And so early? It’s odd to me. Generally, nothing related to a case as big as this would be released to the public, during an active and ongoing investigation.... and yet they chose to release a photo of the suspect, deceased, in his hotel room, apparently holding a gun? I mean come on! In any normal case, ESPECIALLY a high profile case, would they release anything let alone a freaking photo of the dead suspect!

I think that in a transparent society the bodycam footage from all official actors onsite would have been readily available within a week.

It's not that they couldn't. The question is who would risk it. You know your ass is getting caught. Since no one got in trouble for leaking the photo its safe to assume it was on purpose.

You'd think you'd have seen shell casings everything

I wouldn't be surprised if they hauled the cases up for him.

Breaking Bad spoilers: the paddock shooting is quite similar to the way WW goes out. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if the show inspired him in some way.

No its not at all, what are you talking about?

Yes, it was two old white people killing people with a gun. Similarities over.

Eh. If you considered all the fuckers down at the party rednecks and drug users and toss in two or three mental disorders... well lets just say its a stretch anyway you look at it. I personally think it was a gun deal. There is no need for that kind of firepower for one guy. I'd be bringing up suitcases of magazines, and one of rifles.

Fully agreed on all counts. My point is just that, despite all the sketchiness in both shootings, there is a history that can explain Lanza, while Paddock’s motives remain a complete mystery.

He was an private accountant for his whole career and lived in the desert, you can make millions that way.

Just because someone is old and have money doesn’t mean they can’t develop mental illness. Maybe he had Alzheimer’s, maybe he had delusions, whatever it was there was clearly something off.

He lugged all the guns up there to use them, once he realized the cops were on him (camera in the hallway), he offed himself.

It is interesting to think of various plots of why, but it was probably lonely/depressed guy that wanted to go out in infamy.

Just because someone is old and have money doesn’t mean they can’t develop mental illness.

Yeah, for real. I'm not versed enough in this event to know what went on but these glib, armchair psychology comments suggesting that wealth makes you immune to being a murderous asshole or mentally ill are asinine.

Depressed people don't plot elaborate mass shootings. Extremely angry people do, and extremely angry people almost always want the world to know WHY they did what they did. Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, Virginia Tech, these angry shooters who want to live in infamy leave manifestos.

Maybe he had Alzheimer’s, maybe he had delusions, whatever it was there was clearly something off.

So why didn't the government list "mental illness" as their cause/motive? No serious suggestion of it at all from the government.

Because they have no proof of it. Hes dead. How can they do a psych eval?

I agree with you. On the one hand depression doesn't care about your bank account balance. But it's important to acknowledge that it is anger focused inward. I could head over to the suicide watch sub and post a survey asking if they fantasize about taking as many people with them as possible when they go. There is no way anyone would answer yes. Depression is self-focused and energy-depleting. A depressed person does not have it in them to carefully plan a large scale assault on strangers at a public venue in a location with superior security.

Do you think he's alive and in hiding? His time of death listed as noon the next day is so bizarre.

Casinos are the safest place on the planet. Honestly, if you plan to have a heart attack you should do it in a Vegas casino. Help will be on you before you hit the floor.

That security is next level/eff you stuff. We're told he wandered freely around the hotel, located the service elevator, and then used that elevator to haul his trolley of weapons - enough to arm three SEAL teams - up to the 32nd floor.

Really? We're not talking about an interstate Holiday Inn where all the guests are in bed by 10. It's Vegas. The other city that never sleeps. How many times have you been alone in any elevator in a Vegas casino? He couldn't have used a service elevator to carry in a birthday cake without security waiting to chat with him about casino do's and dont's.

It's also strange that LE reported an enormous supply of bomb making material in his car.

This guy booby-trapped his hotel room. We're told he never had any intention of leaving alive. So why have explosive material loaded to the gills in the car?

Why did the security guard report he was shot with a bb gun? (Weird AF)

> We're told he wandered freely around the hotel, located the service elevator, and then used that elevator to haul his trolley of weapon

He drove to valet parking, had a bellhop load his bags onto a cart, and asked to stay with his bags so he walked to his room with the bellhop. The bellhops use service elevators, not regular elevators. There is a ton of CCTV footage of him doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZRgVX8SYX4

We were told he did intend on leaving alive due to all the preparation.

And how quickly they cremated his body after. This whole thing stinks of a coverup.

are they supposed to keep his body for some reason?

They're cagey about the amount he had and what he lost because no one wants to stop the Las Vegas money train. But last I heard he had 2 million and lost 1.5 of it at Mandaley Bay - don't think you have to dig deeper than that. Gambling was his identity and they made a fool of him.

If you’re going the throw numbers around please use the correct ones. Paddock had 2.1 mil in 2015. Was down to just over a half mil at the time of his death. Had paid Mandalay Bay 600k to settle debts before his death. https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1-October-FIT-Criminal-Investigative-Report-FINAL_080318.pdf Page 111

That is literally what I posted.

You said 1.5 mil went to Mandalay Bay. That’s false.

We don’t know that it’s false. Although I admit we don’t know that it’s true. Around 600k seems to be missing from the websites totals. 170k went to credit card companies with no remarks on what the original credit charges were. 600k + went to ‘casinos’. Girlfriend guns and government are about 240k.

I have dealt with several compulsive gamblers so a good bet is the missing 600k is also ‘casinos’ and so are the credit card charges.

500k not a ton to retire on these days, especialy when you are used to a certain standard of living. I hadnt heard this. Seems plausible

There is a chance of an older person doing that. And he did it. It’s not hard to imagine he did it because he’s crazy and was influenced by recent mass shootings.

I think it went like this: He thought he could commit the most wild mass shooting possible with the money he has.

The pelican cases full of guns and ammo wouldn't get any attention. I travel with hard cases for work and no one bats an eye when I cart in 4 or 5 of them to a room.

Yea, I'm not sure why this is such a hang up for people. Throwing some duffel bags and boxes on a luggage cart and taking them up to your room isn't weird. When I moved cross country, I had most of my valuable shit in my truck. When I stopped for the night, I brought it all into the hotel room in boxes so it wouldn't sit in my truck with a big "STEAL ME" flag on it. Maybe post-vegas someone might care, but I doubt it.

My buddy does trade shows and carts up 8-10 huge cases at times. No one bats an eye.

Older people who have resources the way he did don’t decide to plan a mass murder and then suicide yourself for no apparent reason.

Just because his reasons aren’t apparent to us doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

A millionaire with no source of income aside from playing video poker which doesn't make money playing it long term. He was a gov. op or was running guns for the gov. I'd bet all my video poker earnings on it.

Please double check your sources on his income and level of wealth

Why did he lug up so many guns and ammo to off himself before using it all and before confronting the cops?

I want to know **How** he lugged all those guns past casino security.

Fucking suitcases? Ever been to a hotel? Ever seen a cart?

Do you stay at hotels with metal detectors?

I always thought he was making an arms deal, the buyers were islamic terrorists, who shot Paddock and committed the massacre then escaped to the upstairs floor that was owned by that saudi prince.

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld??

Lanza

never existed, his photoshopped face was a morph of H.P. Lovecraft, go google it.

They both had strange protruding chins.... conspiracy confirmed! You guys are bonkers and need to be medicated.

Did they find the rifle that he used in the trunk, or on him?

Uhhh what? Literally have no idea what you’re trying to even say. Care to explain?

HP LOVECRAFT

OH SHIT!

Guys, I think he just made a major breakthrough.

Adam Lanza never existed, Sandy Hook was a fucking hoax 1000%.

What do you mean he never existed? Any proof/sources?

Dear Wolfgang Revisiting Sandy Hook and The Life of Adam for starters.

Anyyyyy sourcing on that?

In all seriousness...had Lanza not survived what evidence would there have been to convict him? Keeping in mind no media outlet has ever reported the claims of the Librarian, who claims in her statement to police, that right after the intercom came on and broadcast the screams and gunshots she went to the library door and saw a man in plain clothes with a gun.

This in an area Lanza never even approached...and many minutes before police ever arrived.

I'm open to dive into anything and truth be told never been deep into SH hoax or theories in general.

Do you have a good link to read besides a good two hour long documentary?

There is no one article that can possibly define and describe all the various anomalies and contradictions of this event. or a State Police report that spans some 6000 pages.

This is where I started...maybe it'll give you some pause for thought. You'll notice some/many of the vids included in the article(s) are missing. They have been working overtime at YT to make sure as many of these vids are removed as possible.

http://insanemedia.net/sandy-hook-evidence-sandy-hook-crime-scene/1193

I've noticed the same with LV videos and CT videos of all sorts. The search algorithms are for sure being actively tilted at a faster rate than ever.

Thanks for the link and the start down a rabbit hole

You're welcome...but don't come back and give me shit if you get stuck down there ;)

There is a huge theory that the school wasn't even open.. look at the way back machine,the website was inactive for 4 years.. Alot of the pictures made the school look very unkempt... Also there are multiple reports about asbestos and the school being closed... Did you see any evacuations except the 10 or somkids? Where are the other 500 students..

A concerned citizen filed a FOIA request for maintenance contracts and school lunch contracts and other basic stuff an open school would need.. he was ridiculed, denied and then they classified everything and made it virtually illegal to research the subject..

Dear Wolfgang Revisiting Sandy Hook and The Life of Adam

Dear Wolfgang Revisiting Sandy Hook and The Life of Adam for starters.

Adam Lanza wasn't even a real person. The pics were of the older "brother" Ryan Lanza when he was younger. If that's even his real name.

Oh give me a fucking break. Sandy Hook was not faked in any way. My cousins best friends aunts daughter died in that coward attack

Your's too??? What a small, small world!

Some people just lose it. Crazy people do exist.

I don't understand why their has to be a motive, not everyone does something for a reason. One day a man snapped and took his guns in a hotel room and unloaded on people.

Well multiple days. Accessing elevators not available to the general public. But, yeah, okay

Makes sense that’s why two guys loaded up a truck with bombs and blew up a federal office building in Oklahoma City right?

Not at all. McVeigh most certainly had motive.

He was being sarcastic. There's always a fucking motive.

Sorry looks like that one went over my head

What was his motive?

Revenge on the federal gov’t.

Waco and Ruby Ridge. Also the destruction the US caused in Desert Storm as McVeigh was a part of.

It wasn't a 'snap' according to the Official Narrative^TM.

He (supposedly) amassed the weapons over numerous days. He (supposedly) requested multiple adjacent rooms. He (supposedly) did specific ballistics calculations.

and died hours before the shooting happened.

Why do you say this?

to peddle a false theory...

Source

A 'snap' doesn't mean he tries to kill everything around him right that second. He could have snapped months earlier, developed some compulsion to kill, but still be sane enough to plan it all out precisely. Serial killers tend to be completely insane but can still appear normal to the outside world while carrying out their horrid, well though out plans.

Everyone has a motive, for everything.

I agree! The shooter snapped... for a reason.

a mere twenty guns

(they have them)

Are they hidden? I've been in lots and lots of places in vegas and don't remember many obvious ones.

If you dig deep into the original 4chan post that actually predicted this shooting 1 month before, they said this shooting was staged in order to add more metal detectors at these sort of establishments.

(they have them)

No they dont.

The guy had money and apparently a decent life. If he truly "snapped" then its a psychologically interesting event. What caused the snap? Science has come too far to just say he went crazy.

Does it seem real "botty" up in here?

How so?

Lol, username definitely checks out

Best comment, and yes it sure does they gotta push that official narrative for the masses.

Every day

Extremely. Many pushing the mentally ill narrative. Its glaringly obvious. Set tags to Shill.

Most of the questions are answered in this authentic interview with Paddock's authentic brother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPZFN6VFFow&t=285s

And still many more have come afterwords. This trend has become so old it’s hard to really find these events as tragic

it was another false flag attack. the motive is not removing our guns, but setting up a police force of a.i. robotics.

in serious, the most curious part about this case, are the videos that are buried somewhere on the internet of the shooting. phone videos from people in the crowd show a shooter on ground level. it also shows the entire crowd being spotlighted by the stage lights. as soon as the shooting stops, the lights turn off. a patron asks an official to turn the lights on because people need help, “these people are all dead..who are you?” - “no they’re not, we have paramedics helping people right now we need lights”

very weird stuff that doesn’t add up. people absolutely died, and it’s being covered up.

my personal theory was that paddock was an arms dealer set up. perhaps a deal gone wrong or full on false flag. also note the building is owned by Israelis

as soon as the shooting stops, the lights turn off. a patron asks an official to turn the lights on because people need help, “these people are all dead..who are you?” - “no they’re not, we have paramedics helping people right now we need lights”

I remember this. If anyone has a link to the video I would so appreciate it.

There was a post on here that linked to a liveleak video. It had all sorts of videos from the people that attended the concert during the shooting.

liveleak

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe2_1519717074

police force of a.i. robotics.

The day an AI police robot shows up on my door is the day I work to purge my address from every database.

Feels like it might be way too late by then mate.

Well then that's why I keep a shotgun around. I have zero ethical qualms about shooting robots.

what guns were removed?

A Saudi faction tried to assassinate the king. He purged them and re-consolidated his power several weeks later.

i haven’t heard this. any good info links?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=las+vegas+attacks+saudis&atb=v91-6_f&ia=web

CIA. Dismantle the CIA

We just kinda moved on didn’t we

Are they still burying the attempted assassination of that Saudi prince?

the MSM and Getty were ready with their photos and fake survivors.

a DHS active shooter exercise. not the Saudis.

Shouldn't a dead horse be buried?

I'm betting this month. it's going to be used to swing mid-terms.

Anyone got any YouTube links for unpacking this one a bit? I’m sure someone has covered it by now rigjt?

Try searching duckduckgo

Just an FYI, DuckDuckGo uses Google's search engine for its results. It may not track you, but it should return the same results as Google without the personalized tracking features.

If something's been censored or removed from Google (not saying this has one way or another), it will also be removed from DuckDuckGo.

I’ve found many many differences and see it daily when searching. They probably use googles old algorithms that actually brings you the results your looking for, not what the MSM have to say.

One main difference you should see is that it'll be stripped of any kind of profiling that Google applies to your account.

That I know of, Google's search algorithms, even the older versions, are a trade-secret and not available for anyone to use. You can, however, run searches through the current version of Google - which is what DDG does.

I'd start with the timeline of the shooting that NYT created.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZRgVX8SYX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krr4u6uGdzc

They don't give any guesses on motive, but it's a start to at least understand what the fuck happened.

It was a staged event to further push the disarmament agenda.
People suggesting that solution to all the 'shootings' is allow us all to carry firearms.
This staged event was their way of saying "what good would your personal firearm be against a guy shooting at you from the 3nd floor of a hotel"
Anyway... it appears somebody (presumably a non-corrupt LVPD detective) discovered something extremely fishy and they had no choice but to abandon agenda. MSM dropped it like a hot potato even though they were clearly gearing up to milk it for the three years like Sandy Hook.

It was a staged event to further push the disarmament agenda.
People were suggesting that solution to all the 'shootings' is allow us all to carry firearms.
This staged event was the PTB's way of saying "what good would your personal firearm be against a guy shooting at you from the 32nd floor of a hotel"
Anyway... it appears somebody (presumably a non-corrupt LVPD detective) discovered something extremely fishy and they had no choice but to abort the plan. MSM dropped it like a hot potato even though they were clearly gearing up to milk it for the next three years like Sandy Hook.

.....damn you just made me realize that. The media really didn’t carry on about it for very long. Why is that?

The stopped obsessing over Trump for a moment.

Likely, something didn't go according to plan and a crucial element to the plan was botched. So into the memoryhole it goes!

MeToo happened the very next week...

what good would your personal firearm be against a guy shooting at you from the 32nd floor of a hotel

Only real solution is to keep a serious scope on your car gun. I kid, but also realized there's really no other solution.

past 24 hours

past week

past month

How high are you??? How have your personal gun rights changed since sandy hook? How dare you say that was staged and it will effect your opportunity to own a weapon you prick. People kill people.

Counter theory:

The shooter was a gun nut who snapped and decided to shoot everyone up. The right wing media, politicians, and police covered up his political leanings and hid details to help spread conspiracy theories so that no new gun laws would be passed.

I think the meta-conspiracy is much more compelling. Gun sales increase, politicians get paid for blocking legislation, gun-voters entrench support for their officials, and the world keeps spinning. And all they had to do was slow down an investigation and feed the right conspiracy theory with a few well-placed fake accounts.

lots of fake victims and survivors too.

Gun running right? I haven’t kept up but that’s the last I read. Obviously not the official motive of crazy man.

Sorry, what does SS mean here?

OR ballistics.

Didn't you do any research? All the information regarding this case has been available in public domain over the past year. Don't wait for people to tell you anything. Don't wait for the press, the TV, your friends. Its YOUR job to inspect what you inspect.

I thought they determined the motive: he was a white well off male... He must have been insane. Case closed?

I'm still angry by it all but still nothing to show for it. Why hasn't anything been done.

Dude i will give a medal if someone can tell me a motive. The fact is you never will find out and neither will I, the highest people involved in this are laughing when everyone else that knew anything about it is dead. Shame really, my biggest thing was how soon they stopped reporting on it. It was all over the place one day, then the next just pow, bye bye.

A Saudi faction tried to assassinate the king. He purged them and re-consolidated his power several weeks later.

Perhaps because it was a random act by a mentally ill person? or maybe it's a giant conspiracy involving ISIS that the feds are covering up. Either way, do you expect any info to come out?

The most creepy thing is how crisis actors can be apart of this and then keep quiet and go about their creepy little lives. I bet they're all CIA interns

There were people that worked at Are 51 for decades who never told their families where they worked.

Patriotism and national security are powerful motivators.

Plus with a black budget...do we really know how many actual intelligence employees there are in the U.S.?

Or how many there are in this thread down voting the shit out the comments...

Just wait til they all find themselves jobless or worse. Funny because I had one the other day suggest I commit suicide and then threaten to doxx me, and I really think that first part is projection.

Multiple ones have said it to multiple normal people in this sub, and all I can think is 'suicide weekend'.

I agree. But I think there's also some allure to being "in" on something. There are 300 million people in US and a good part of them are living banal meaningless lives. It's not that hard to pay someone to be a crisis. Afterwards, their wallets are fatter, they had an exciting week and they fade back into obscurity of 300 million people.

Here's the motive: he hated people and just wanted to take out as many as he could before he was captured or killed. It's not difficult.

lol, 851 and people recording from above from start to finish saw nobody injured.

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I personally know someone who was shot in the leg, so fuck your logic.

Sure you do.

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It's pretty clear to me what happened, paddock was a undercover atf/fbi agent. Gun deal gone bad. His background is really sketchy also, "real estate investor" people who make dirty money use that title.

That’s because it doesn’t align with the pandering MSM’s ultimate goal. To busy getting upset about lack of proper pronoun usage and attempting to coin everyone not part of the Alt-Left as a “crazy / sexist/ whatever-phobic/ nazi”

Trump is to blame.

/s

The motive was he was fucking crazy, I remember the Son of Sam (look it up) killed.people because a dog told he to. Also known as the 44 caliber Killer. There is no motive that a normal person would understand some people get a sexual thrill from killing.

How did one guy do this?

Follow the money. Not 1 guy! https://youtu.be/97V6BlGr0BA

Who cares?

It was an idiot, forever in the dust heap of history. Another maggot, to quote Elton John.

Terror.

Paddock didn’t do it. We know nothing about the event except a leaked bloody head and bump stocks. Perfect angry white man + gun control narrative takes form.

Not only that but like no ceremonies or anything today at least not publicized.

Not true. We had a sunrise ceremony this morning at the county amphitheatre, artwork on display from local artists that are going to be donated to the victims family, and the entire strip is going dark at 10:01pm tonight in remembrance.

Ahh ok that’s great! My only connection to something like that is through Boston so I think naturally I just happened to hear more about it.

Yeah I was actually surprised it didn't get much publicity, not even here in Vegas it seemed like. A little blurb in the local news but not much else.

"He was just a crazy, we need to fake the dguns aweuy"

Totally. I noticed a lot of downvotes and shouldve clarified my thoughts more clearly: its okay to ask for sources but given the vastness of the internet (and the ability to consolidate search terns very minutely) is it more personally rewarding to let others do the work for you, or to find (and link) stories that directly contradict someones surely delivered claims? which ie the more satisfying/fulfilling triumph? Once again I mean no disrespect to anyone.

I saw your comment and respect this edit.

I hate it when people say source for easily searchable shit.

But if I’m making a claim, I should probably at least point them to my source.

Why does there have to be a motive? Maybe he was suicidal and wanted to take some people with him before he died. It was probably something he had been thinking about for a very long time, and just finally decided it was time to do it. Maybe he wanted fame and notoriety. Maybe he was just crazy. No secret hidden motive necessary.

There is a great documentary I found very intriguing on Amazon Prime called “What Happens in Vegas” I believe, which focus is on the corrupt system that runs Las Vegas even before the shooting. Further, because I’m not one easily fall or or to believe in conspiracy theories, I’ll always remember how I kept thinking how “convenient” a mass shooting was to law enforcement and the politics at the time, and if ever I was to believe such attack could or would be ever be staged, it was unfortunately this one.

With that said, I’m curious to know exactly how or why others believe this to be a “red flag” or whatever the term be, and what the government would and could have gotten out of staging such a tragedy? Do you believe it was staged, and further do you detest people were actually harmed, and in the whole crisis actor conspiracy? (Keep in mind, I witnessed the Boston Marathon Bombing and have waaaaay too many connections to the tragedy to believe it was at all staged or some type of conspiracy to instill Marshall law, because I assure you those who actually experienced it have a much difference view on the matter, so I don’t want to hear craziness that everything is staged by the government nor at all disrespect any and all victims of these tragedies.)

Follow the money! https://youtu.be/97V6BlGr0BA

You witnessed the Boston marathon bombing? I’m not disrespecting at all, I fully believe that happened, I just wanted to say that I’m glad you’re okay and I hope you have suffered any long term problems as a result like ptsd. It’s sickening the violence people do to each other. The people who say these things didn’t happen make me ill, it’s just so disrespectful to the victims and families of the victims. If people want to question why, fine, but this “crisis actor” bs is something else.

Thanks so much for your kind words and concern! I couldn’t agree more, with how disrespectful it is to question the loss families suffer with such tragedies, and again, even more especially when you can personally refute all theories (in regards to the bombings). I’m personally grateful to have had some distance from directly being effected, and fortunate to not have sustained any injuries, either physical or mental, however people I’ve known before and after the attack have unfortunately lost limbs, and I can absolutely guarantee that my best friend had to attend a very real funeral for one of the victims. Probably the craziest is that another close friend of mine had actually been acquainted with, while going to high school, with the oldest brother involved in the bombing. He had “changed” and unbeknownst at the time to any of us what that even really meant, had become radicalized during visits home years before the incident took place. So again, I couldn’t agree more with how disrespectful the crisis actor accusations can be.

I’m glad you escaped uninjured both physically and mentally. My heart goes out to everyone affected by the bombing and I can’t imagine how frustrating it is to hear people say it didn’t happen when you saw it happen, and know people injured and/or killed. That’s crazy about the bomber, I can relate a little but not on a large scale like that. A friend of my now ex husband was at our house, we smoked a blunt with him, I was probably 23. A few days later we hear him crying on the news and put the tv volume up, he claims (though the police think the violence was planned) that he went with his friend to rob the friends family. Well they somehow ended up attacking the family brutally with baseball bats, they killed the friends father, seriously injured the mother, almost killed the brother (he’s still recovering about 7 years later) the little sister was hiding, they looked for her for a minute and then the friend took off, our friend was dumb enough to stay in the house so he was In custody immediately, the friend was arrested the next day. They’re both in prison for life thankfully! It was really surreal to think that someone who had just been to my house and had been around my baby daughter was capable of such brutality. Really blew my mind and messed with my head, that my instincts had been so wrong, I thought he was weird but never thought he would be violent!

Again thank you for your kind words, and understanding it’s exactly that- frustrating. And how do you exactly “prove” something like that?! Because although I agree and can’t blame people who question authority, and actually think it COULD make sense to someone looking from the outside that it was a convenient way for the government to enforce Marshall Law, and to have us shelter in place, but that really isn’t how it went down or happened. Further I’m glad you yourself and most especially your daughter were also far enough removed from that situation to have endured any actual harm! Again I can totally relate and have known some of the most unlikely people to do that craziest things! Glad those guys are exactly where they belong, that is a terrible situation, and especially over money. It really is very unsettling how little you can know, and just shows you how you never really can. (if you ever felt guilt about having them around your baby, you certainly shouldn’t). As this mainly reminds me of the time I had dated a guy from Ireland, who was a complete gentleman and sincerely had me thinking he was the one who got away when he left, and secretly always clung to the hope that he’d come back and we’d end up happily ever after. Well he did come back, and about two years ago our mutual friend we met through had run into him, and he was (once again, as he had shared the same enthusiasm about me once) madly in love with a girl he met, she had gotten pregnant, and so he was arranging to marry her, build a white picket fence, etc. Not going to lie, sucked hearing, and always stung a bit. Until the last I heard about him during the summer, again through our mutual friend. But instead this time, Irish was now in prison for a felony, after beating the shit out of the girl, while she was pregnant!!!
I can’t help but think about the bullet I dodged, and further what I missed, it still doesn’t seem possible to me... (with ALL respect to that poor woman, as we’ve bonded so much over the shame in victim blaming and questioning them! haha)

Flew out of Vegas a few weeks ago... the boards are still there covering the broken windows.

WTF?!

I call bullshit. I was there about 6 weeks ago, parked right across from the hotel in the exact spot basically where the concert was and the windows for sure arent boarded up. https://news3lv.com/news/local/shattered-mandalay-bay-windows-replaced-on-las-vegas-shooters-hotel-suite

That's not true at all, the windows were replaced a week or so after the shooting

Source: I drive past the Mandalay Bay often

You're just part of the conspiracy man.... nice try

Not true at all. I drove through Vegas right after and they already had windows up. I am there 6-8 times a year for work and I have not seen any boards on those windows ever.

"STILL NO MOTIVE" ? Has the ability to read the thoughts of a dead person been developed ?

Worth a gander! https://youtu.be/97V6BlGr0BA

cancelsouthpark

I guess it's not the end of the world

Some people just want to watch the world burn. This guy just wanted to kill people.

It's a mental health issue, 'nuff said.

Thanks FBI!

Why did he have 20+ guns in his room? I understand 3 maybe 4 but 20+? Something does not add up. To me, this was another hoax. I doubt anyone actually died.

Because the FBI is too busy trying to figure out how many drinks kids were having at a house party in 1982. Let these guys work, there’s important business at hand.

No motive, and no action to prevent another one either!

The shooter looked like he had a big forehead and it kinda made him look like Bigfoot from Harry and the Henderson's. Clearly the shooter was Bigfoot under the influence of mk ultra

I mean, does there need to be a motive? Why would anyone try and hide a motive? At least in this case, not in general lol

Still no credible evidence it even happened at all.

So many deleted videos on you tube. This one was quickly swept under the rug with all the evidence

Why does there need to be a motive?

The motive was mental illness

What a horrendous nightmare I remember thinking if I was there I would have instantly gone down to the floor since all the other mass shootings we've seen was always from a standing position. No one has ever done what was done out of a casino window if it even came from it. Now let's pretend it was a blood sacrifice, who benefited from such a thing?

Why did scanner radio drop right before the door was breached?

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What's most remarkable to me about this case is the guy's age. Historically speaking, these mass shootings have all been carried out by people in their teens or early twenties. Safe to say they all shared some similar form of psychopathy that manifested at a relatively young age. Almost all of them had childhood warning signs. Stephen Paddock was 59 years old. He allegedly went six decades without demonstrating any mental illness, then suddenly decided to carry out a very complicated terrorist attack for no apparent reason.

hear hear

solid point

. Safe to say they all shared some similar form of psychopathy

That's not correct. Even if someone was a bad person, that's not evidence they were simply born that way.

Allen Frances: (The chairman in charge of creating the DSM-IV.)

"‘Mental illness’ is terribly misleading because the ‘mental disorders’ we diagnose are no more than descriptions of what clinicians observe people do or say, not at all well established diseases"

Allen Frances:

"Mental disorders don't really live ‘out there’ waiting to be explained. They are constructs we have made up - and often not very compelling ones."

-- Allen Frances in “DSM in Philosophyland: Curiouser and Curiouser” in AAP&P Bulletin vol 17, No 2 of 2010

Gene "link" fallacies.

All sorts of things can be linked to genes.

eg:

• food tastes,
• musical taste,
• political beliefs, etc.

But that doesn't mean "the genes cause them." And it doesn't mean "therefore it's a disease."

Similarly, some people allege they've found a gene link to homosexuality: https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/speculative-genetic-link-to-homosexuality-found

But even if that's true, that would not be evidence that the behavior is a disease.

Different != disease.

And it doesn't mean the genes cause the behavior, it could just be an irrelevant gene. If you looked at a bunch of random people they wouldn't have completely average genes.

ie, you could take any accusations about their behavior and claim there's a "genetic link" between the behavior and the different genes.

Also, the idea of the "psychopaths" is that people are just born evl (empathyless) due to genes is essentially what the Nazis said about the jews. That the jews were "psychopaths" in terms of being charming, empathyless, manipulative, & so on.

But there is no evidence of this idea of "genetic psychopathy." Almost all behaviors can be linked to genes (eg political beliefs, poverty, crime, etc.) But that doesn't mean genes cause them.

You have given me a lot of food for thought so I would like to probe your mind for a bit of information. Genes don't determine behavior but instead influences them, right? I am wondering if genes can inhibit certain behaviors from arising making them all but impossible if not highly improbable.

It seems to me that certain people might be predispositioned to care less about others regardless of the environment they are placed in. I recall an expert (who was himself a psychopath) explaining differences revealed in MRI scans that point towards anti-social tendancies. He explained how he discovered that he was a psycopath by comparing his own scan to that of his subjects and found that his brain was structured similarly.

I am only a layman and know very little about all of this but from what little I have gathered there seems to be a condition of the mind that does not allow for empathy.

If such were the case would it not be appropriate to refer to it as a social disease? Or is that just playing the semantics and definition's game?

there seems to be a condition of the mind that does not allow for empathy.

There's no evidence of that. There's no "empathyometer" or units of empathy. It's just a subjective insult that someone "lacks empathy" that state officials (war mongers, police who kill dogs, etc) never get accused of.

He explained how he discovered that he was a psycopath by comparing his own scan to that of his subjects and found that his brain was structured similarly.

Imagine in 1940s Germany started doing this- started brain scanning people & saying "if your brain is similar looking to a Jew.. a empathyless manipulative parasite... then you must be one too."

It's silly:

• It's assuming just looking like someone else proves you think the same way.

• It's assuming there's "psychopaths" in the first place.

Basically, this guy thought he was totally fine & a normal person. With normal empathy & so on. Then he found he simply looked similar to someone accused of "psychopathy".. So instead of admitting his work was based on irrational assumptions he declared himself a psychopath.

But that's not logical.

That assumes there's "psychopaths"

I recall an expert (who was himself a psychopath)

No he wasn't. Having a similar brain scan to someone else (eg a murderer) doesn't prove you're some dangerous person who seeks to murder person.

The guy exposed his own work as quackery. He thought he was totally fine

Some things aren't quantifiable but can still be shown to exist. You can't measure pain, autism, pleasure, scents, attention, intelligence but there is every reason to believe these things exist. There is nothing to suggest that there aren't individuals who lack all motivation (and therefore ability) to care about anybody beyond themselves, psychopathy like sociopathy are just terms to describe these differences.

It is radically different to assert that empathyless individuals exist than it is to say that an entire group of people are without it. I can see the dangers of abusing the psychopath rhetoric but I don't see how that undermines or even relates to the existence of this condition.

I am inclined to believe you but something is preventing me from being at ease with accepting what you are saying. You seem a bit quick to disregard the research - perhaps this is because you already know what you know - but i do not know so I am navigating my way through this trying to determine what makes sense.

In the interview the man also reveals that his family always suspected him of being a psychopath but the MRI scan just confirmed it - leading me to believe in the validity of those scans as there is (seemingly) a very strong correlation between self-serving anti-social behaviours and how the brain is wired. I would call this evidence - but I am more than open to being informed further or at the very least pointed in the right direction so that I may see more perspectives on this matter.

I appreciate the dialogue we're having.

Some things aren't quantifiable but can still be shown to exist. You can't measure pain, autism, pleasure, scents,

I'm not saying pain doesn't exist, I'm saying if someone is in pain you can't just assume they were born that way. You can't just declare it an illness.

eg lots of people who are not socially skilled exist, we can say "autism exists as a label for behaviors." But we can't act assume these are genetically inferior people who (if you follow that logic) shouldn't exist. We don't need people studying the genes of less social people & trying to "cure" future humans from having those genes.

Similarly, it's fine if "psychopath" is used just as a word for alleged behaviors (eg you think someone is a "psychopath" and they think you're a "psychopath..")

But when people start assuming their empathy insults are science, and thus wanting to blame the genes of people they dislike, that's nothing but assumptions. There's nothing scientific about it.

I can see what you are saying now more clearly. In the 60's the APA (largest and most respected group of psychologists in America) declared homosexuality to be a mental illness. Obviously, as gatekeepers to knowledge with a 'higher' authority, this had severe repercussions which are still being felt today.

In a similar vein the existence of autism is also disputed as there is a broad range of behaviours and conditions that may or may not apply. I see the linguistic benifit of referring to a wide array of people in one word but that does not really prove anything scientifically, as you say.

It's sad to see the largest organisation in the US relating to autism spending most of their money on finding a "cure", but I digress.

I am not suggesting inferiority in atypical neurological minds or employing these words as 'empathy insults', but I know that you mean these things in a general sense.

I feel that I will need to digest this some more, thank you for challenging my presumptions and heuristical thinking. Do you have a title I could get lost in relating to this? I see you have some books in your original comment, if I had to read one which would you recommend?

Do you have a title I could get lost in relating to this?

Some reading material.. Maybe articles at https://www.madinamerica.com/, or just browsing subs like /r/neurodiversity or /r/radicalmentalhealth.

If you really want a physical book, almost anything by Thomas Szasz will do.

Thank you! Much appreciated!

I see what you’re saying but I feel the need to state that autism is so much more than not being social. My brother has aspergers which is high functioning autism, but even with being high functioning, he’s incapable of living on his own, granted there are aspergers/autistic people who are capable of living normal lives but there are a lot who aren’t as well, my brother is able to work at subway, but he can’t drive and can’t live alone. He’s highly intelligent but only about the things he cares about which at this point in his life is “films” (and don’t you dare call them movies around him), he throws temper tantrums that rival my toddler when things change in his life or he doesn’t get his way... many birthday dinners have been ruined because he couldn’t decide where he wanted to go, or once we are there what he wants to eat. He graduated high school with the help of aides but did not go in to college and has no desire to ever do more with his life than living at home with our mother and working at subway... I should mention he’s 27 years old. He picked up drinking for a while but seems much less interested in going to the bar lately. He even has some people he considered friends. He hates children to the point he’s never spoken a work to my 7 or 3 year old daughters even after we had to move back home ourselves for a period of time. I’m genuinely concerned about what hell do when our mother isn’t around anymore, she had him at 36 so she’s in her mid 60s and already having health problems that will make it difficult for her to continue paying the bills.

Autism isn’t just “being different”, yes there are high functioning autistic people who are capable to living normal lives and caring for themselves and others, but there’s plenty like my brother and many worse off than my brother, who can’t.

There's a huge variety of people being called autistic. The description you gave is not normal for people who call themselves autistic, but could be considered to fit the label.

I'm interested in what you're saying but I wonder what you think does qualify something as a disease then. If you say genes aren't associated with disease then there are a bunch of things people would ordinarily say are diseases that you're ruling out on technicality, like Cystic Fibrosis. If you are ruling out things that have behavioural consequences as a symptom, what about pituitary tumours, Alzheimers or the like?

I think you're right that mental illness is a "construct we've made up", but so is disease as a whole. That doesn't mean it has no utility in helping us understand the world.

I think you're right that mental illness is a "construct we've made up", but so is disease as a whole. T

A real disease (eg germs, cell damage, etc) isn't purely made up.

The language is made up.

But there's physical cell damage & so on that scientists can study with physical tools.

In contrast, when you go to a psychiatrist they don't do a lab test. They just fit you to a list of "symptoms" (misbehaviors they dislike) and then "diagnose" you.

If you say genes aren't associated with disease

I didn't say that at all.

I'm saying the state's moral views (ie which behaviors are good or bad) aren't evidence of any illness.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make because not once in my post did I suggest any of this was linked to organic disease or genetics.

First, thank you for that.

But second, you're still using a term that the state considers a genetic disease, so I figured you meant that.

There's not really a perfect answer, but I personally just say "psycho" to avoid the word "psychopath."

He was 64

Whoops, thank you. Corrected.

Maybe there's no motive beyond "hmm, I want to kill some people today"

inside job, gun control.

Perhaps we should look back at Operation Northwoods for answers....

Private investigators in Las Vegas are going missing.

I remember there was a story how a man saw people on the crowd with guns shooting and after that he wwent missing, it wasn’t just him multiple people said they people in the crowd with guns we may never know

My questions I posted earlier today if anyone is interested.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9kh60p/just_some_of_my_personal_questions_about_the/

bro i thought this was common knowledge but, apparently he was an islamic extremist who had converted

He wanted to kill people dipshit. Why I'd this hard to believe. OP is a fuck boiiii.

Man. This sub is weeb faggots.

Rule 10

Not only that hotel staff insist there was 2 shooters I talked to 2 of them about a month after the shooting at an event there

Perhaps this isn't the most fitting post for me to make this comment, but I was talking to my uncle who works security at one of the casinos out there, and he said he was getting reports of multiple shooters at more than one casino.

and why are all these mass shootings already forgotten? orlando club, florida school, texas school incident i’d never even heard of. and vegas of course

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fe2_1519717074

Sometimes a nut is just a nut, it doesn't always lead to some sinister conspiracy, I've always been wary of conspiracies involving mass killings in the United States anyways, it's the kind of thing that has way too poor of a payoff compared to the risks if the conspiracy got revealed, too many links in the chain would be needed to pull it off

I could hypothetically buy a conspiracy surrounding the aftermath of it though with the right evidence

I hate how our government lies to us and orchestrates op's daily without informing us. For shame.

In the aftermath of the shooting, some media outlets reported that YouTube search results for information about the shooting returned links to conspiracy videos. YouTube stated that it had tweaked its search algorithm to promote news sources which it considered more authoritative. Some experts have stated that the removal of this content ironically fuels conspiracy theories by making a cover-up seem evident.

Survivors of the shooting have been accused of being paid actors, with some having received death threats on social media.

Conspiracy theorists claim that there were multiple shooters and that details of the massacre are being covered up for the sake of promoting gun control laws.

this is what happened, you can see in the rest of this thread to see the damage that spreading conspiracy theories does.

If you listened to the scanner that night like I did, there were definitely reports of several shooters across the strip. None were found, but that doesn't mean they didn't fire off some rounds then dip. It's not completely unfounded.

Its not surprising at all when you hear the echoes. It would sound like you are surrounded

Gun running, I'll bet.

The american government use shootings to put fear in the population. You'll believe any lies they tell you after something like that.

I doubt he was that different from Aaron Alexis. The voices in his head just had better opsec.

I feel like it could have been politically motivated, given the recent election and all the rage against Trump and his supporters. Maybe he was nearing the end of his life anyway or suicidal and wanted to send a message on his way out. The media would have preferred to keep this motive quiet as it wouldn't fit their narrative of right wing violence and would instead highlight the inherent violence of the left too clearly, possibly causing more violence to break out if people knew the reason was political.

No motive? A yr? ...hell I haven’t seen or heard a thing about shooting in 11 months

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

I guessed it was something similar to that, a brain anomaly that developed later in life and affected behavior. Did they ever do an autopsy on him?

The only motive is Martial Law.

Watch "What Happened in Vegas" on Amazon Prime Video!

If this was some "planned attack by some government entity," why would they do it. I'm not saying that 9/11 was an inside job, but the people who do believe that say it was an excuse to get America into Afghanistan. However, the Las Vegas shooter was reported to have no affiliation with any militant groups.

I kind of doubt the gov. will just order an unprovoked attack on its own citizens.

Some people also say there was a "target" in that crowd the shooter(s) were trying to kill, but judging by the amount of people all together making it difficult to hit a single person and how the bullets weren't located to a single, focused area, it seems unlikely there was someone in that crowd being targeted.

I agree. I’m open minded and I’ve looked at a lot of the conspiracy ideas and sources but this is where I’m stuck... why? I don’t believe “taking away the guns” because in all honesty very little has happened since the shooting in regards to that, trump mumbled something about banning bump stocks but that’s about it. If sandy hook didn’t do it, Vegas sure won’t either because yes it was more people but sandy hook was small children, I have two young daughters, one of which is in elementary school, and I WANT so badly to believe it was a hoax and no one was actually killed and that things like that don’t happen but even after looking at all the the “sources” on that as well, I just don’t buy it. There’s plenty of “conspiracies” I believe, like 9/11 but I just don’t buy these two at all.

A Saudi faction tried to assassinate the king. He purged them and re-consolidated his power several weeks later.

This is America

Why do there has to be a motive? He could simply have been a miserable guy with a miserable life being destroyed by addiction and very dangerous drugs.

I don't really think there has to be a motive that "normal" people would understand. I do think the whole thing is really strange. The photos of the room don't seem to contain nearly enough shell casings. That guy shot at least 550 some bullets so there should have been photos of mounds of casings! The photo from his room that shows the window he shot out of only appears to contain a couple dozen. Plus the only photo they really show of him is that one where his eyes are closed and he has 13 tattooed on his neck, which is strange for an accountant. I don't see that tattoo on the photo where he's shot himself, but maybe his shirt is covering it. Strange stuff, that whole situation.

I also suppose it might not have been a permanent tattoo. There aren't enough photos of the guy to know for sure and no one really said what context that photo was taken in. People do weird stuff in Vegas

Obviously dude was an assassin reaching the end of his career, knowing his many underworld contacts wouldn’t let him go out in peace and he decided to make a name for himself. /s

The entire thing is a government operation. Facts are classified.

You and I have no need to know.

The press is owned or apathetic or testicle-free.

No memorials.

No TV segments.

No results of investigations.

Just hope that everyone forgets.

Maybe where you live. I live in Vegas, and it's still remembered. "Vegas Strong" and all.

It seems to me like a mass sacrifice It was done by some occult symbols, the Obelisk and the dome, Perpetrated by multiple shooters and has a distinct fall guy, an old Bowing employ I believe. Media plays along in sweeping it aside Smells culty to me

Literally everything when melted down to its most basic symbology is occult symbolism.

After 9/11, the general public demonstrated how docile they actually are. It’s gross.

The motive was to persuade the public that gun control is necessary.

BECAUSE THE SHOOTING WAS NOT WHO THE MEDIA AIRED IT TO BE. LIES PEOPLE LIES!

OUR GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT. THEY ARE WATCHING

Check the meaning of the word "paddock" in the dictionary. Interesting, isn't it?

People don't always have a motive, sometimes they just want to do it for no particular reason other than to cause caos

I had a theory when it first happened. He was terminal with something, and knew he had limited time.

As a Democrat, he chose to go out as a martyr. He used bump stocks, evil black rifles and 60rd magazines, which he hoped would push gun control.

He also was able to kill conservatives by shooting into a country concert.

A win win for his ideals since he was going to die anyway.

If a criminal wanted to, he/she could buy a child sex slave, a kilo of cocaine and if you're in the right place at the right time, they could probably get their hands on a nuke.

Making things illegal doesnt stop bad people from doing it. Banning guns will accomplish literally nothing.

If it was a real event why’d they have paid actors bud and I’m not going to look at a source from the MSM because we know it’s not hard for them to fake deaths

Why would he pay off his debts?

Why not? If you know you're gonna go, might as well settle it

Absolutely true. But with most mass killers, you get some indication somewhere that something is off.

Paddock had no history of mental illness, no run in with any police or law inforcement agencies, absolutely no record of any political extremism, religious extremism, let no manifesto, there's no record from anyone who knew Paddock for more than 5 minutes that he was some sort of ticking time bomb.

Nothing.

This was a mild mannered 64 year old retired accountant who liked playing video poker and eating sushi, and nothing else adds up.

Where can I read more about the “man running on the hotel roof”? I hadn’t heard about that.

By in disguise do you mean dressed like a regular person?

the bodycam shows no windows broken

That's just twisted and obscure enough to sound plausible (if not likely).

I think that in a transparent society the bodycam footage from all official actors onsite would have been readily available within a week.

F B I, look no further.

(they have them)

Are they hidden? I've been in lots and lots of places in vegas and don't remember many obvious ones.

The man in the video was ID'ed. It was a Tropicana security executive. Beside the executive saying it himself, tattoos and clothing matched up on his personal facebook.

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Bundy also had years of questioning and confessions.

Here's a fascinating exercise: Every major newsworthy event over the past 20 years has been the target of massive speculation regarding its potential to be a part of some vast conspiracy. Every mass killing is a false flag. Every crashed plane was downed by some shadowy agency. Some people even try to claim that natural disasters are a part of these conspiracies.

So... does anything bad ever happen that's NOT a grand conspiracy? It seems like we should expect some bad things to happen. There are violent people in the world. Some of them are not socially stable. We should expect that, logically, to result in some terrible events.

But it seems like conspiracy theory culture is asserting that this never happens. Why is that?

Go far enough down that rabbit hole, and you'll find a vast web of conspiracy... albeit an unintentional one.

Why do you say this?

(they have them)

No they dont.

false, Dwight would never relate himself to that amateur let alone allow him to be related. if he were to have completed this mission his accuracy would have been far superior to this haddock fishman. how do you think he earned his assistant management position?!

Just because you wouldn’t pay your debt, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t. He was a successful man.. People like that pay their debts. Lots of people pay their debts before they kill themelves

Well recall the big round up of corrupt princes last Nov. They were detained at the “ Ritz”, while their ill gotten gains were frozen. Yeah, Trump helped with that. Leg one down of the stool. I think related somehow to this.

Well his gf did work for the fbi

Where did he get all his money. Didn't they say he was a professional video poker player? video poker? LMFAO what?

Plus with a black budget...do we really know how many actual intelligence employees there are in the U.S.?

And? Guns drawn at innocent people?

people refuse to accept that this could be a mentally ill person.

Feds haven't tried using this as an excuse/explanation. Why? Seems like mental illness would be the obvious thing for them to blame it on (or money troubles), but instead we just keep getting told "no motive" every time it comes up. Shit don't make sense.

Source

Just being black sheep here. If dude did this with crushing debt on his head it might make a little more sense. Perhaps he paid off his debts to show us it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with us. Some men just want to watch the world burn

It's not that they couldn't. The question is who would risk it. You know your ass is getting caught. Since no one got in trouble for leaking the photo its safe to assume it was on purpose.

Distraction, shift the blame? I don’t know, I only hope one say the truth is shown.

It is bust statistically feasible because there were like 22-25k people there

Well then that's why I keep a shotgun around. I have zero ethical qualms about shooting robots.

Makes perfect sense. Crazy people think crazy things. He turned the tv on, saw someone on CNN calling for gun control or someone talking about mass shootings. Mass shootings are a popular topic. All it could’ve took was one moment of thinking “I could do that lol”

That’s what happened.

Thanks so much for your kind words and concern! I couldn’t agree more, with how disrespectful it is to question the loss families suffer with such tragedies, and again, even more especially when you can personally refute all theories (in regards to the bombings). I’m personally grateful to have had some distance from directly being effected, and fortunate to not have sustained any injuries, either physical or mental, however people I’ve known before and after the attack have unfortunately lost limbs, and I can absolutely guarantee that my best friend had to attend a very real funeral for one of the victims. Probably the craziest is that another close friend of mine had actually been acquainted with, while going to high school, with the oldest brother involved in the bombing. He had “changed” and unbeknownst at the time to any of us what that even really meant, had become radicalized during visits home years before the incident took place. So again, I couldn’t agree more with how disrespectful the crisis actor accusations can be.

Again thank you for your kind words, and understanding it’s exactly that- frustrating. And how do you exactly “prove” something like that?! Because although I agree and can’t blame people who question authority, and actually think it COULD make sense to someone looking from the outside that it was a convenient way for the government to enforce Marshall Law, and to have us shelter in place, but that really isn’t how it went down or happened. Further I’m glad you yourself and most especially your daughter were also far enough removed from that situation to have endured any actual harm! Again I can totally relate and have known some of the most unlikely people to do that craziest things! Glad those guys are exactly where they belong, that is a terrible situation, and especially over money. It really is very unsettling how little you can know, and just shows you how you never really can. (if you ever felt guilt about having them around your baby, you certainly shouldn’t). As this mainly reminds me of the time I had dated a guy from Ireland, who was a complete gentleman and sincerely had me thinking he was the one who got away when he left, and secretly always clung to the hope that he’d come back and we’d end up happily ever after. Well he did come back, and about two years ago our mutual friend we met through had run into him, and he was (once again, as he had shared the same enthusiasm about me once) madly in love with a girl he met, she had gotten pregnant, and so he was arranging to marry her, build a white picket fence, etc. Not going to lie, sucked hearing, and always stung a bit. Until the last I heard about him during the summer, again through our mutual friend. But instead this time, Irish was now in prison for a felony, after beating the shit out of the girl, while she was pregnant!!!
I can’t help but think about the bullet I dodged, and further what I missed, it still doesn’t seem possible to me... (with ALL respect to that poor woman, as we’ve bonded so much over the shame in victim blaming and questioning them! haha)

The investigation was a sham.