In my experience, most conspiracy theorists tend to be more conservative and or libertarian.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Can you clarify?

Obama was bush version 3... His foreign policy was exactly the same as bushe. He didn't stop the wars or cloee Guantanamo. He kept raiding medical marijuana practices when he said he wouldn't.. he gave all the telecoms retroactive immunity for spying on us (this was before the NSA Snowden reveal too).. he granted the secret warrants for tbeFISA courts... He put more whistle bloeerws in jail than any other president..

The only thing that really made him different was a new tax, called the ACA..

This is coming from a guy who bought the hope/change vibe the first time.. then I came to the conclusion, they are all on the same team.. and you and I aren't on it

Didn’t used to be so, it’s only been in the past few years IME there have been more conservative & libertarian, before conspiracy theorists were mostly leftists, they’ve just been joined by more right wingers more recently.

No offense but you must be new to all of this. Conspiracy theorists were almost always against the government or wanting the smallest form of government possible with the freest market possible. That is a conservative/libertarian ideology not a liberal ideology. Constitutionalists who believe in unalienable rights. Liberals believe in a a nanny state. Bigger government and less individual freedom. They believe in high taxation and entitlements. Privileges over rights.

You're a lefty then.

Tons of newbs here, but that's OK, we need to teach em

Yup! They migrated here after the last US election and it's easy to tell who they are.

Yeah man, they want to re-write history!

Like they want to act as if the liberals weren't mad about Bush or talking about 9/11 while the Rs and Conservatives in charge and running a train in the middle east!

Yeah but back then, D's were for free speech and Constitution, but now they are not that anymore and are siding with Censorship, Communism, Antifa, SJW'ism, PC safe spaces and white guilt. These are all reasons why I left the party a year ago and many others I know as well.

The Dems of old no longer exist

Neither do the Conservatives of old who want a small government which is fiscally responsible and is for the Independence 9f Man over the power of the government which is the reason I left the party years ago along with a lot of disenfranchised Constitutionalists.

Your personal story means shit to the fact that liberals have always been a large contingency in the conspiracy communities. This site is mostly all liberals why wouldn't there he a lot on this sub?

Why not work together? Don't be a partisan hack.

I'm not GOP of on any side, I'm independent at this point and want unity. Unfortunately with Twitter and the dehumanization social media does to people, and rise in extremism of all sides, and people fleeing in mass exodus from Democrat ran cities and them going to extreme progressivism, I don't see any unifying resolution any time soon. It's sad, but it is what it is

More and more of the population is moving into (mostly left-leaning) cities. Dunno where you're getting your info from, but it's definitely wrong.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2017/12/23/mass-exodus-from-states-run-by-democratic-machines-continues/

There are like 100 more sources/links on this.

I understand if you only assume things, bit let's stick to facts, thanks

Bud, that doesn't say anything about cities.

Blue stages have blue cities. Also here is another example:

https://www.timeout.com/chicago/news/chicagos-population-continues-to-decrease-after-thousands-of-residents-left-last-year-032218

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/800000-people-are-about-to-flee-new-york-california-because-of-taxes.html

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/384536-the-great-exodus-out-of-americas-blue-cities

Blue cities and states, because that side is shit when it comes to running things

The population of US cities continues to grow, and most cities lean left.

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because that side is shit when it comes to running things

That's a very silly thing to say. Red states receive a lot more federal welfare, and blue states have the biggest and strongest economies in the country. Imagine where the US would rank on a global scale without New York and California...

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I'm not talking about statewide GDP or economies or welfare, just that Dem leadership is shit and there is mass exodus happening. In my city for example, they take out loans with interest to pay for city pensions and sold the parking meters to the Saudis, lol

Democratic leadership is no different than Republican leadership. Some policies differ, but the 'quality' of leadership is the same. Don't fall for the dive-and-conquer BS.

The Republicans, for instance, are causing the national debt to absolutely explode... arguably much worse than your parking meter complaint.

Some policies differ, but the 'quality' of leadership is the same. Don't fall for the dive-and-conquer BS.

Oh I already know, but the majority think Dems are Gods

That's a very small and short sighted history of conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. Further, you're still playing into the game of republicans and democrats. I'm talking about conservatives/libertarians and liberal progressives. The latter has been rewriting history and they still are today via the modern leftist.

Being against the government generally makes you a leftist. Conservatives generally support status quo power arrangements, that why they are conservative. "Small government," "freest market," ie economic control in the hands of the elites, as opposed to democratic processes, makes conspiracies by those elites more likely and more successful.

lol, ok pinko. Maybe you should stick to /r/politics and /r/PoliticalHumor. Saw that shitpost of yours and can no longer take you seriously. For those curious.

Making one shitpost in a humor sub doesn't disqualify me from shit. Besides, what'd you have against that cartoon? The anti-feminists who claim that taking sexual assault allegations seriously would be a threat to all men are pretty clearly communicating that they want people to think all men commit sexual misconduct.

I just laugh at you. That's all you deserve tbh. Have a blessed night/day.

Have a good time of day yourself! Hope you find a way to wake up from your delusions.

Depends on the conspiracy. This sub was once more liberal leaning, but it was people who were open minded and questioned things. Conservatives are inherently fearful, so the conspiracies they believe are those that come from fears that others have pumped them full of. They also defend the status quo because they are afraid lf change. So 9/11 was a liberal conspiracy brought on by the deep state and conservatives viciously defended Bush etc, whereas in an iromic reversal now the deep state is a conservative conspiracy, because they've been made to become fearful of that by the media they consume and Trump tweets.

We're all being manipulated, but I think conservatives tend to follow the 'company line' more, American conservatives tend to be less so are more prone to be manipulated into believing manufactured conspiracies. Pizzagate in my view was a bit of both, but is now being pinned on the alt-right which I don't think is correct. Overall, conservatives are manipulated into believing conspiracies by those that would control them, liberals conspiracy theorists tend to be more questioning/disbelieving.

This sub was more liberal leaning until people that think like this turned them into republicans.

I am really a centrist (in the middle) but with leanings toward the right.

Also, liberals are welcome here! Anyone who is seeking the truth and doubtful about what we've been told is welcome here!

Lol, someone downvoted you. Not surprised

I always get downvoted on here. Even when I make non-controversial comments like that one.

That's because you are a t_d troll.

Stupid labels to categorize and divide people into pigeonholes.

I can't imagine why anyone would voluntarily adopt/ identify with such a label.

Honestly I think they do it because it's easier on the brain. Critical thought takes more energy and is sometimes unpleasant. If you pick a side and fall in line it's less stressful.

To avoid having their opinions challenged, research indicates that people tend to simply avoid information that might be discrepant in nature (Johnson-Cartee and Copeland, 1997). Support for this tendency to avoid dissonant messages can also be found in mood management theory. Basically, this theory states that people expose themselves to stimuli that are pleasurable and avoid stimuli that might induce a negative reaction (Zillman & Bryant, 1985).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement_theory

Screaming Liberal Here. Most oF the Conspiracy Theorists I have met, usually identify as Centrists or Libertarians.

About an equal split on the Conservative and Liberals.

Hardly any Authoritarians.

There has been an authoritative push on this forum. Look at criticizing the administration and there are suddenly a thousand counter conspiracies to discredit it.

I see it as more of a populist push than an authoritative push, but you are on to something here.

Can I just ask, if you're Liberal, what do you think about the fed and money in general?

Liberal here. I don't like the Federal Reserve and fiat currency. I'd rather have gold-backed currency or something like Bitcoin as currency.

I am also a liberal. I too wish to end debt based fiat currency, especially the privately owned and controlled type.

People believe the government benefits from the money creation process, but it's not true. That's why they owe money for borrowing money. The private banks get the free value that counterfeiters cannot ever avoid conjuring up for themselves because of basic math. We forget that math when banks benefit from it. They can't avoid getting free value either when they create our money. The value is not free for all of us, it is a tax on the existing value of the currency and thus its users, a purchasing power transfer.

They rob us right in front of us and we say, "Thank you so much for the loan! I really needed that car/house." When we pay them back, they get the value that came from the money creation process and tricked us into not looking at it just like a magician does his tricks.

I keep asking people, how do you create new currency without giving unmerited, unearned economic value to someone at the expense of existing users?

You can't!

It really matters to our lives, our prosperity, freedom and free time, but we are too trusting of authority to question them and figure this out for ourselves. Those who do with big authoritative titles get attacked in subtle, but effective ways for informing others. We are being robbed in plain sight, because our minds are blind.

Yes

You forget losses are the other side of the equation. With profits and losses together, businesses need to find a balance and generally run more efficiently than non profits because nobody wants to work for free, especially CEOs

Hey, I got banned for 3 days. Thanks for replying though! That's cool, I think the fiat money is something that pretty much everyone can get on board with changing. It just gives too much power to people to steal the value of savings by inflating like a sneaky robbery from all bank accounts.

I do not really have an Opinion on The Federal Reserve or Money in General. All I know is we need to spend less than we do.

The reddit overlords banned me for 3 days but thanks for replying! Yeah I'm all about governments spending less.

I'm heavily liberal, and just saying this so people know some of us exist

This association of conservatives with conspiracy theories is a recent thing, really only since Trump - because of Pizzagate, Seth Rich, etc. In reality it is a mixed bag. There are just as many conservatives that distrust the government as there are classical liberals who want government accountable.

The idea that Trump is fighting any sort of elite pedo ring is laughable.

Trying to get an invite more like.

Well, since Trump has been in office, it's the first time I've been seeing stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/a/8EX3prV

Populism and Nationalist Sovereignty undermines the NWO Globalist plans, so the NWO elites are freaking out right now, tells you all you need to know really

Wait, you don't wear a gas mask and have top quality HEPA filters in your home?

Man you're full of smart dust for sure, they're on to you bro

Oh, a stupid fucking 4chan maymay. Yep, the NWO elites are freakin' out!

Lol.

https://www.sott.net/article/393088-Jacob-Rothschild-speaks-Post-war-economic-and-security-order-is-at-risk-You-dont-say

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQkobNIee18

Guess you hate facts.

Why are there people here who support Globalists and NWO Satanism? Makes no sense.

Also we deal in facts and sources here. If you have a sources rebuttal, feel free to post it here. If not, you lost

No, I hate when people claim shitty 4chan threads with triple parenthesis have any basis in reality or journalism. Do these things help legitimize your ideas in your mind?

sott.net, is this a real source? A Google tells me it was started by Quantum Future Group, a religious cult. Also this article.

No, I hate when people claim shitty 4chan threads with triple parenthesis have any basis in reality or journalism. Do the obnoxious graphics in that image help legitimize these ideas in your mind?

I literally just gave you news sources and Rothschild's speech. I absolutely abhor when someone talks shit, is given factual sources to read, and still has an illgocial meltdown with the same false narrative. But if shows me that some are so wrapped in propaganda, that they don't allow truth in anymore like an NPC who can't be reached

These are literally opinion pieces. What is it you're even saying is a fact here? I'm simply pointing out how low-quality and retarded your original post was.

These are literally opinion pieces.

Link me or quote which part claims it's opinion. I'll wait here

What is it you're even saying is a fact here?

All these sources, 10 of them, and some mainstream, including speeches by Merkel, Rothschild, China's PM, have all stated that the new world order is under threat. It's because of a ride in populism, Nationalism, Trump, Poland, Hungary, Italy, Brazil, phillipenes and many others.

I'm simply pointing out how low-quality and retarded your original post was.

Hahahahahaha, when facts destroy your bias bubble, this is all you have?

Stop adding links and take your meds.

Hahahaha, maybe stick to safer fake news subs or CNN if truth hurts you so much. Globalists are losing and we are just getting started

Link me or quote which part claims it's opinion. I'll wait here

The global liberal order is in trouble - can it be salvaged, or will it be replaced?

Are we witnessing the collapse of the global order? Probably not — yet. These are opinion articles.

All these sources, 10 of them, and some mainstream And some new age religious cult garbage, and some 4chan garbage. The more attached to reality the article, the more detached from your main argument.

Liberalism and globalism is opposed by conservatism and nationalism. Oh the conspiracy!

Hahahahahaha, when facts destroy your bias bubble, this is all you have? Hahahahahaha, when you're a spastic nutjob and you write out hahahas when you're mental state is questioned.

Hahahaha, maybe stick to safer fake news subs or CNN if truth hurts you so much. Globalists are losing and we are just getting started You're choice of words and assumptions about anyone who questions you just shows you live in an echo chamber.

I'm mostly on Drudge, Rense, globalresearch.ca , voltairenet.org/en informationclearinghouse, new eastern outlook, blacklistednews, strategic-culture.org, real-agenda.com, NSNBC.me, SOTT.net, Newswars, tim pool, naturalnews, just to name a few

Oh, finally some pathways to the black-pill. Hmmm... let's try NSNBC.me. Oh wait, you can't because the link doesn't even work. That's how you know they're reporting what the NWO elites don't want to hear.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/16/eu-official-urges-trump-putin-not-to-destroy-global-order.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/26/trump-wants-to-destroy-the-world-order-so-what/

It's all there, even your MSM slut rags have to cover it. NWO is fucked and it's because of the rise in populism, sovereignty, and Nationalism.

The rest of your wall of text is probably a usual wall of tears or a mental breakdown that your bias bubble is being threatened. Don't worry, atrazine and glyphosate are safe, debt slavery is normal, your college degree will find you happiness, and only listen to CNN

You don't leave the basement.

Yes...your opinion is TOTALLY valid.

Well, since Trump has been in office, it's the >first time I've been seeing stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/a/8EX3prV This is who you're defending. All I can say is, lol.

Whoo. Globalists are losing..? you mean to tell me the trillionaires can't keep world order..

I'll have what you're having

NWO cant work if you have an anti-NWO U.S. President and populist sovereignty based Nationalism has risen in Poland, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic, Japan, Brazil and many others.

This is simple logic. Listen to Rothschild's and Merkel's speeches on this on YouTube, they admit with their own months.

I'm glad I'm not having what you're having or else I'd be sleeping

Yeah, that milk and toast before bed really works for those guys.

Soy milk and gluten free pink whole foods $18 bread made by Aztec artisans

Here's my "evidence" about the NWO...look at globalists' faces. You can see the strain and aging the stress of things has wrought on those guys, Obama especially...meanwhile, Trump looks like he's gotten fitter as time goes on.

Of course, then you have Macron trying to hold up devil horn signs with his hands. NWO guy celebrating a bit too early methinks.

I agree with you. Whether or not I agree with Trump's militarism, he's NOT good for the globalist agenda because he's a nationalist.

I actually hate nationalism in the abstract, and I love globalism in the abstract... but in the real world, the globalists are a bunch of cabalist wackos and the nationalists are the only impediment to their success.

Since the 90's; remember Rush Limbaugh's black helicopters?

I grew up in the 70s surrounded by god and country loving, gun toting veterans that were hardcore believers of MK ultra, CIA killed Kennedy, ect, ect.

Wait. I always thought conspiracy folks were mostly conservative because of the Christian religious "end times are near" angle. And liberals are only conspiracy minded when they don't have the majority.

I think we all migrated from the Democratic plantation to the Republican side because they gave us asylum.

I feel like a lot of people on this sub pretend they don't like partisan ship. They are scared to realize that the views they hold are actually more conservative than anything. But I like to be center for the sake of argument.

Leftists believe in conspiracy theories too. Just ask them about the Gulf of Tonkin, or the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that supposedly hobbled the Clinton administration.

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I've noticed that "conspiracy theorist" is just another one of those snarl words that anybody will use to delegitimize those who disagree with them. The truth is that conspiracies happen all the time, and are not the exclusive purview of either the political right or the political left. I would go even further and say that political power is wielded exclusively by conspiracy, and if you want to see what kind of conspiracy is really possible, go read a history of the Catilinarian Conspiracy. It was organized over the course of months, involved thousands of people, and ignited a small-scale civil war that almost completely destabilized the Roman republic. All of this is documented, incontrovertible historical fact -- and this is what people were capable of before advanced communications technology, encryption etc. So, I roll my eyes when anyone argues that conspiracies aren't possible because "large groups of people can't keep secrets." Bullshit. Human history is nothing but actions undertaken by groups of people who were keeping secrets.

How can any "conspiracy theorist" vote for people who wish to disarm them?

Ok, do red or blue states have extreme restrictions on the ownership of firearms?

Is it easier or more difficult to lawfully carry a firearm on your person in a blue or red state?

What political party votes for restrictions on firearms furniture or magazine capacity?

That's a really weird way of saying that the majority of Democrats are anti 2nd amendment.

The easiest way to end gun violence in the US is to end the state-sponsored culture of violence that stems from the forever war, and its unquestioning glorification of the military, the drug war, and the constant violence, militarization of the police, and mass incarceration it leads to, as well as universal healthcare allowing more access to mental health treatment, and ending all the desperation and alienation stemming from our insane economic inequality. Switzerland and Finland have fairly high rates of gun ownership, but no problem with gun violence, because unlike the US they are generally healthy societies.

Guns are much more regulated in Finland and Switzerland than in the US, it should be noted.

When written, what did "well regulated" mean?

What did "arms" mean?

"Well regulated" means "well organized, well trained". "Arms" refers to weapons.
As Justice John Stevens put it:

When each word in the text is given full effect, the Amendment is most naturally read to secure to the people a right to use and possess arms in conjunction with service in a well-regulated militia. So far as appears, no more than that was contemplated by its drafters or is encompassed within its terms.

and

The Amendment's text does justify a different limitation: the "right to keep and bear arms" protects only a right to possess and use firearms in connection with service in a state-organized militia. Had the Framers wished to expand the meaning of the phrase "bear arms" to encompass civilian possession and use, they could have done so by the addition of phrases such as "for the defense of themselves."

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"Arms" refers to weapons

Were privately owned cannons and warships possessed by civilians back then?

I don't know - I'm not a historian.

Civilians owned modern military weaponry, often times they had higher quality weapons.

That doesn't address the 'well regulated militia' bit - that's the point of contention. A bunch of guys with machine guns would not constitute a well regulated militia.

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Regulated means trained.

If you own a ar15 but do not train with it, you will likely not be able to use that tool in a high stress environment.

Why are you against equality?

Right, so people have a right to keep an bear arms insofar as they are part of a well organized and well trained militia.

Wrong

Why are you anti equality?

That doesn't mean I'm 'wrong' - that means that 4 Supreme Court Justices agree with my position. The Court got that one wrong, in my opinion. In any case, the majority opinion was that guns do need to be regulated, so a ban on AR-15s would not be unconstitutional even by this reading.

Conspiracy theorist doesn't mean libertarian. There's also no minimum threshold for what makes someone a conspiracy theorist. For example, somebody may believe the government is hiding proof of life on Mars. They would be a conspiracy theorist. That doesn't mean they also believe the government wants to disarm them and start the new world order. You don't get to gatekeep the conspiracy theory community to just people who disagree with you.

I asked a simple question.

Yeah, and I answered it. Somebody can be a conspiracy theorist and also believe gun control would make them safer.

Exactly what forms of gun control would stop any of these "mass shootings" ?

Please be extremely specific.

Uh, no. I didn't say I supported gun control. I didn't say gun control would stop mass shootings.

I just said it's possible for someone to be a conspiracy theorist and also believe in gun control.

For example, somebody might believe there's a conspiracy among archeologists and thr government to hide evidence that aliens built the pyramids. And that might be the only conspiracy theory they believe in. This would not affect any of their other political beliefs. So, they could be a conspiracy theorist, and also still support gun control.

Wake me up as soon as there's a shade of that happening and I'll care more.

Have you ever looked at California's gun laws?

Tfw when I can legally own a gun but can't publicly carry.

I really think that anyone who chooses the right or the left is ignorant in some way and really just a normie.

People change as well. Many liberals begin to lean more conservative as they age due to a number of reasons. I personally voted for Obama twice like an idiot before identifying as a Libertarian and now essentially just an independent. Fuck the left-right paradigm and the 2 party system. We need ranked voting and a change in campaign finance law.

It's kind of hard to really pin down what "conservative" really means in terms of modern dialogue. Most "conservatives" really just want no bad changes to happen to the system we now have, and "liberals" want to squash all the bad parts of the system as it exists (as they both see it).

I want to fix the flaws, but the "fixes" all turn out to be shite when the system is as corrupt as it now is, so in that way, I'm conservative.

I'm also a classical conservative and a classical liberal, which used to mean roughly the same thing. Small government was part of both philosophies. Now the terms have been hijacked by doublespeak and it's hard to have discussions using terms that have been molested in this way.

Capitalism is perhaps the biggest conspiracy out there.

I'm a progressive. Though a minority, there are plenty of people on the left here.

I'm definitely on the left politically but i am a cynic and believe in conspiracies. Lot of the tripe that gets pushed on this sub isnt worthy of ready IMO

Ever since i started watching Steven Crowders videos i realized im definitely not liberal...those people he debates with and confronts are out of their god damn minds. But im also not explicitly conservative. I fall on both sides depending on the issue. I just prefer being a rational thinking human being instead of pidgeon-holing myself into a political label.

No offense but you must be new to all of this. Conspiracy theorists were almost always against the government or wanting the smallest form of government possible with the freest market possible. That is a conservative/libertarian ideology not a liberal ideology. Constitutionalists who believe in unalienable rights. Liberals believe in a a nanny state. Bigger government and less individual freedom. They believe in high taxation and entitlements. Privileges over rights.

Lol.

https://www.sott.net/article/393088-Jacob-Rothschild-speaks-Post-war-economic-and-security-order-is-at-risk-You-dont-say

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQkobNIee18

Guess you hate facts.

Why are there people here who support Globalists and NWO Satanism? Makes no sense.

Also we deal in facts and sources here. If you have a sources rebuttal, feel free to post it here. If not, you lost

No, I hate when people claim shitty 4chan threads with triple parenthesis have any basis in reality or journalism. Do these things help legitimize your ideas in your mind?

sott.net, is this a real source? A Google tells me it was started by Quantum Future Group, a religious cult. Also this article.

Some policies differ, but the 'quality' of leadership is the same. Don't fall for the dive-and-conquer BS.

Oh I already know, but the majority think Dems are Gods

I am also a liberal. I too wish to end debt based fiat currency, especially the privately owned and controlled type.

People believe the government benefits from the money creation process, but it's not true. That's why they owe money for borrowing money. The private banks get the free value that counterfeiters cannot ever avoid conjuring up for themselves because of basic math. We forget that math when banks benefit from it. They can't avoid getting free value either when they create our money. The value is not free for all of us, it is a tax on the existing value of the currency and thus its users, a purchasing power transfer.

They rob us right in front of us and we say, "Thank you so much for the loan! I really needed that car/house." When we pay them back, they get the value that came from the money creation process and tricked us into not looking at it just like a magician does his tricks.

I keep asking people, how do you create new currency without giving unmerited, unearned economic value to someone at the expense of existing users?

You can't!

It really matters to our lives, our prosperity, freedom and free time, but we are too trusting of authority to question them and figure this out for ourselves. Those who do with big authoritative titles get attacked in subtle, but effective ways for informing others. We are being robbed in plain sight, because our minds are blind.

Hey, I got banned for 3 days. Thanks for replying though! That's cool, I think the fiat money is something that pretty much everyone can get on board with changing. It just gives too much power to people to steal the value of savings by inflating like a sneaky robbery from all bank accounts.