Sounds like something the deep state would say.

We'll know for sure if he/they are totally full of shit if not a single arrest is made before the 2020 election, and Q starts saying that we need to re-elect Trump to make the arrests happen. Then the same people who voted for Trump to "Lock her up", who have somehow completely forgot about her and the fact that she was not locked up, will then vote for Trump because they hope he locks the rest of them up. It's sad really, that these people who have so much hope and faith are used like this.

WWG1WGA

In practice, what does that mean?

Usually a chant has a practical action behind it.

Here's a logical question- If there was someone as rarified as Q, what are the chances such a person would be swimming in the sewage of the chans dispensing world altering information?

Let me answer that for you: zero.

Wasn't this supposed to be a logical discussion?

That didn't last long.

only normies and shills like you under-estimate the power of the chans -- one of the only true anonymous, unfiltered places in the world to dispel information -- the chans have broken so many huge things in the past. stay shleep if you want to clown.

Isn’t that every conspiracy though? A lack of evidence or something that has some solid roots but our imaginations and our minds make it something it’s not? All I know is, we’re all slaves to a system. We’re working to pay rent or mortgage and die and not really find much meaning in our lives. And with that said, it makes it hard for me to believe that a group of powerful people aren’t constantly focused on keeping their power and keeping us in this “slave state.” At the same time though, we still got lives that we have to live and they aren’t going to drastically change any time soon, so I guess don’t forget to smile and have a good time peeps, it’s a short life.

Why do whistle blowers leak information via various "unconventional" means rather than going through the "proper" channels? There is your answer on the question.

What are the “proper channels”?

Depends.

Maybe coz corruption goes all the way up the chain?

It's all a bit too convoluted by now, too big and too weird, too far reaching, and not enough lulz in it for Q to be "just a kid in mom's basement".
This is way out of bounds of the attention span of an average 15 years old.

There was a rumor a couple of month ago, that it started as a social experiment of a group of sociology/politology students. That would be more fitting in terms of scale.
But then we would have reached far beyond the way the Stanford Prison Experiment or the Third Wave went awry. Any responsible supervisor would have terminated that as an social experiment long ago.

That leaves malicious intent.
The size of the operation and the target would point to state actors. But any organised attack on that level against the government would have been met with equal force.
I'm not really a fan of either existing three-letter-agency, but I do grant them enough competence to be able to counter that kind of attack easily if coming from outside...

So - for me - this leaves only one plausible explanation:
Q is real.

There is admittedly a lot of misinformation coming out of there, Q himself stated that the 'enemy' reads the same channel.
But I cannot find a single good scenario where this is all a LARP.

YMMV

If Q is real why have all the predictions have turned out to be duds?

A good question. I don't know.
What we do know is, that there is a) a lot of intentional disinfo coming and b) there were no concrete predictions so far.

No post so far went like "at day X there will be Y happening". ^{Should I have missed some, please quote!}
That makes it very hard to verify.
It's all very vague, hard to shape into concrete facts.
The "predictions" regarding Strzok's et al turned out fine so far - to take one sampling.

The hints coming out add up to what seems true. The accusations, while partially hard to swallow, are consistent and in line with what could be.

Remember, the main theme of Q's posts is "Research for yourself. Think for yourself. Trust yourself."

Actually, there have been plenty of specific predictions.

All those have failed so far.

Can you quote on Q post that you believe was something only an insider could have know at the time it was made?

Mostly good points, leaving out a few predictions still to come.

But as Mike Rothschild (author of that article) points out:
"[Q] mostly stopped making specific predictions about events to come, shifting to vague statements about world events, terror attacks, and political intrigue."

Problem is, that the intentionally misleading clues given for the opposition are still there.
*shrugs*

The few "proofs" that are noteworthy are nothing really tangible.
The signature was pretty good.
- a picture of a signature, that the anons were not able to find in public, later turned up in an official video.
The requested Q Typo in Trumps tweet was nice.
- anons requested a Trump tweet with a q typo somewhere. Trump delivered.

Most of them could be weird coincidences, quite a lot actually.

At the very least, it points to Trump's media team being involved

Can you please specify what you mean and provide some sources?

Oooff,
a collection is at https://www.qproofs.com/
but I assume you want better...
and the /r/QProofs board was closed for "some reason"...

Again, a "real proof" is still out. So far anything delivered can be attributed to chance.
Sceptics will continue to point at pure chance, believers take it as concrete evidence.

e.g. the anon requesting that POTUS should somehow use the phrase "tip top" in a specific speech.
- POTUS used "we keep it in tiptop shape. We call it sometimes tippy-top shape."
but in a different speech, and not for the first time

The posted signature later appeared in an official WH video (I can't find the video, and I would still have to proof that no other known signature matches the one posted.)

As for the typo...

the main theme of Q's posts is "Research for yourself. Think for yourself. Trust yourself."

The other main theme is "Trust the plan" and "wwg1wga" which both completely contradict "Think for yourself."

I agree with you that Q is not a LARP. That doesn't mean Q is "legit."

Q is a Deep State MILINT psychological operation. Yes, Pentagon is Deep State. Q's absurd claim that U.S. Military Intelligence is "the only part of government not corrupt" seems to overlook MILINT connections to 9/11-Anthrax. Which tells us everything we need to know about Q: Q wants to overthrow SOME Deep State but not the Pentagon.

It's all a bit too convoluted by now, too big and too weird, too far reaching, and not enough lulz in it for Q to be "just a kid in mom's basement". This is way out of bounds of the attention span of an average 15 years old.

Who says this is the only option? Could be an adult. Could be a group of people.

Well, IF we give benifit of the doubt, then the story goes, that the plan was long in the making, and thus key positions needed to be secured before starting. Thus acting from a defended position, rather than being easily attackable.
And Q never said "Trust me!". It was always "Do your own research, trust the facts." and "Trust Sessions"...
But yes, this is all hard to believe. But then again, that's why it's discussed in conspiracy circles :)

Q foments & fosters a demographic who will support the post-Trump/post-Pence military coup, in the guise of a "counter-coup."

Q sounds like an "optimism cult". You can see this sort of thinking on various semi-religious youtube channels, where something in the real world is interpreted as "the good guys winning the spirit war". This comes in a few types, and kinda flies under the radar because it almost never has any bad side effects- you don't have to kill yourself or donate for the good guys to win. Back when GA was a board, you could kinda see some overlap in the tone of the posts with that sort of thing.

The mode of interaction that Q has is extremely entertaining- you are supposed to discuss and theorize. The most logical explanation is that "Q" is some set of Trump supporting folks probably believe something like what they relay is kinda going on, and want people involved (and more mundanely, may get some small compensation for clicks or whatnot), and believe that this participatory roleplay is helpful to Trump's cause.

I think this is the most likely, because the other commonly brought up possibilities don't quite add up to me. The idea that Q is fully legit seems off because a legit Q means that there's some shadow war going on, where one side has a color commentator and is providing intel that the other side may be able to use. It's also odd because it doesn't actually help the Q-believers- if Q is real, and they believe Q, they don't get anything different than they would get if they didn't believe in Q- well, except that they get to be smug to other Trump supporters.

Conversely, the idea that Q is some hostile intel agency or conspiracy seems unlikely, because it doesn't really help their cause either. Except for providing a (honestly very small) amount of red meat for the media to process and provide to their supporters (at least the ones looking for corroboration for their belief that Trump supporters are nuts), the Q believers don't really help some Trump opposition.

I would be more likely to believe Q was deliberate disinfo from some organized group if we saw something like:
- A bunch of Q supporters generating highly visible negative publicity at a politically sensitive time, such as before the 2020 election.
- A handful of Q supporters engaged in terrorism.
- A call to violent action from Q.

Meanwhile, like everyone else, I would find Q much more believable if any of these gigantic claims ever had any corroboration with reality.

Anyway, I think it's just some Trump supporters who like the attention and figure they are helping the cause by running it. They may also believe that they are telling the truth.

How can we deny that Q I'd a trump insider though? He's made so many accurate leaks that only an insider would know.

I think Q is a military insider. Whether or not they're truly on our side or just looking to manipulate us is what I think we need to be debating

If someone is giving out tons of vague information, some of it will hit the mark- especially if these are educated guesses. This is the nature of cold reading. There's no reason for the hit rate on these predictions to be so crazily low.

It's not impossible that at least some of the people who post as Q have some government or military job, but I wouldn't really say it as likely.

I guess that's fair but hasn't there been some undeniable proof like pics in the Oval Office and pics of the rooms that Trump/Kim were staying at or something? It's been a long time since I followed this stuff though, think I'll check out voat to catch up.

If this is a larp it's going to be larp of the century!

Nope, There aren't any pics of that. There was one pic posted by q inside Air force 1 but that was quickly found to be a photoshop and q responded by saying he was just having fun trolling.

I don't believe Q is legit. Assuming it were real, what would be the point? If it were real proof of a grand conspiracy, why hide it in thousands of obtuse posts rather than some kind of information dump? What has Q produced? Alt-right and extremist christian support for trump has been galvanised. If this shadow war is really going on in the background, these posts aren't doing shit. How does this operation benefit from informing followers in very vague terms? The followers aren't doing anything to help. So why involve them? There's an intelligence war raging between the military and Satanist elites, but letting a few thousand chan users know is important? It just makes so little sense to me.

That was what I have been asking for a while now.
What's the end goal behind this?

Let's for a moment assume this is real and try to find a motive.

Then the answer seems to be the creation of a back channel.

IF this is all true, then at some point a major wave of arrests will happen. Of people in all sorts of high positions.
When this happens, an unprepared public would revolt, and resistance led by the media facts would follow the military coup narrative.
For this it is vitally important to have support with at least some part of the population. People who can say "Yes, we know, this is correct and not a power grab of an insane dictatorship, but the logical conclusion of cleaning up deep seated corruption and burning the filth out of the government. And here's why:!"
This of course needs to be followed up by facts that hold up in court, but without that kind of ground support, no facts whatsoever will help.

At least, that's my take on it.

Was totally willing to believe the tiny possibility it could be genuine, until it began making vague suggestions towards violence. At that point I totally disavowed it as a probable psy op.

Must have missed these.

One of his latest posts said the Judge K getting into the SC was the last chance they’d had for non violent means for saving the world. Still up on 8chan right now under patriotsfight, where he posts.

Ah, yes.
But that was no open call to, more like a "all going to peacful plan" post...

But still, granted, pretty ominous statement...

He has also written several times “these people won’t be able to walk in the streets safely” which is just a hairs breadth away from outright calling for mob violence.

Honestly, it's the same rhetoric protesters are using to justify attacking and screaming at republicans at diners and restaurants.

Don't let them be comfortable, don't let them be safe, make sure they are constantly aware of their sins.

Remember when that random hollywood lady had the decapitated head of the president? Was that art or inciting violence even if subliminally putting in your head? I mean it seems to be on both sides. But at least one side is not providing vivid imagry.

So where does Q reside now? strictly 8chan or does he have a presence on 4chan again?

All 8chan. On a board only he can post on.

Ah, is there any indication that it is the same guy?

Or can anyone take the mantle of Q, especially since the tripcode was busted?

I’ve actually done some software analysis on the writings - it also suggests that Q has had several different authors. But even folks in the Q community think there’s more than one Q posting. In fact, Q himself has said this.

> Alt-right and extremist christian support for trump has been galvanised.

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According to Q this is the dem media's portrayal of it is reliant on the confirmation bias they have created from it. The reality is that all sorts of people follow Q.

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Imagine if anyone we're to go on national TV or some sort of public avenue and say all of this. How would the public react to it? They would automatically reject that person as a "conspiracy theorist" and insane.

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Where we go one we go all. You created this reality for yourself we are the underlying universe all experiencing itself from every perspective. You are the chess board moving around the pieces but from your perspective you see yourself as a pawn. Of course it is all an illusion of separation, but without that illusion there would be no game of chess only an chess board with pieces on it. How can you understand unity without also understanding separation?

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All movement's start small and in places easily criticized by others. It takes a small gathering to grow into a real movement. Like a white blood cell fighting off a disease inside of you there is a war going on externally over you.

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"The full truth would put the average person in a mental asylum" -Q

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The truth is right in front of you in much of what you call "fiction" exists deeper meaning for those who are looking for it.

"This is not a R vs D battle" Q

Well it's a direct quote so idk what to tell you...

FYI supporting Trump does not imply demonization or separation from those who do not. You are projecting that onto him. Where we go one we go all. That is the key of the message.

He hasn't done any of that but okay.

Q is an intentional wild goose chase meant to prevent internet activists and conspiracy researchers from focusing on real, glaring problems surrounding the kleptocrats that have taken control of the government and much of society. Q is the HIV to the internet’s immune system, a vague and tantalizing attention trap deflecting from the theft and corruption happening right before our eyes. Without Q, the Chans would be digging into the sociopathic Trump/Republicans/Corporatists/Religious Conmen that have banded together to brainwash and control people with fear and disinformation masquerading as news. Instead of pulling together and combatting this monstrosity, the valuable attention of people on the internet has been spent chasing a laser pointer around the room.

The saddest part is the power of anonymity that made the Chans so formidable has proven to be their weakness; when organized conmen infiltrate a crowd, they can pull the group where they please, anyone not in on it will see it as organic and follow along.

This has been going on for years, the anonymous that gathered to protest racist mods on Habbo Hotel is not the same anonymous that posts racist memes; the racist memes may have been from actual racist groups looking to recruit, or they might have been cointelpro looking to discredit and sabotage anonymous as a force. Q is the perfection of this game, a judo flip by the organized sociopaths against what they correctly viewed as a threatening grassroots opposition to their bullshit.

It's just Edward Snowden.. Told he needed to come up with something new or he's off the payroll.

Probably the NSA's. I personally don't think he's legit.

Their secrets weren't exposed. That's how a limited hangout works.

A rare double-false answer.

False that Limited Hangouts are never pre-emptive. False that nobody was concerned about surveillance, warrantless wiretapping or NSA overreach.

Also false that Snowden has any full knowledge of the totality of compartmentalized programs. Snowden can be used as a Limited Hangout whether or not he's aware of it or witting.

This reads like damage control. Not only is it very weak to say that there weren't alarms going off since 2005's NYT NSA revelations, it's actually so weak that I can't rule out bad faith on your part. Which taints the rest of the conversation. I'm fine with calling it tainted.

Limited hangouts are "modified" all the time, and the terminology itself was revealed to the public on that basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Snowden introduced the idea that all our our meta data is being passively stored. If one is aware that this type of surveillance is ongoing- Do you modify/regulate behavior?

No worries. I figured we had a case of mistaken identity.

"What's the point of having a massive surveillance apparatus if noone knows about it." Someone once said.

Snowden is an "agent of change" operation IMO.

the means we're too high of a price

Since when has the U.S restrained itself over "too high of a price"..

Arguably they're in the middle of deciding their absolute limit right now as to how they'll continue the Middle East campaign. But historically, Americany adventurism has been running circles around an upper limit, including the potential false-flag events that needed to kick off some of the conflicts..

Anyway, you'll need to get your head around the concept of feigning self-sabotage.. It doesn't always have the effect you expect. Especially not in America's case... It's being featured constantly as a method of reinforcing the idea of American vulnerability.

In this particular case with Snowden, I think it's fairly straightforward to anticipate the benefits of having an individual "LEAK" and be delivered hot by the world's media, to the public conscience, an infinite construction of walls which surround them.

You seem to think there would be resistance if this was outed.. Can you not perceive the obvious though, that Snowdens leaks, actually had the OPPOSITE effect?

People have accepted it. They accepted that the size and seriousness of the infrastructure, was proof of it's own justification.

It's an unconventional union between a psychological operation and a "promotional campaign" for private corporations.

You're an optimist, I often am too. But in this case I'm a realist.

Question: Are you critical that the Mainstream media is compromised and doesn't serve the people?

have compromised quality reporting for speedy and opinionated reports. I critique them, but I blame us.

Nope, not a realist... listing only U.S media..

You seem oblivious to the international media coordination around geopolitical and cultural engineering imperatives. Thus you're not going to see the logic in how narrative is developed, and how "sales figures", is only a superficial explanation for why Snowden the "dissenter", was given suspiciously uniform coverage.

Important that you realise, that we're far beyond the era of "something was leaked", "he's our enemy".... therefore it's credible. There are other incentives for "self-sabotage", but Americans are programmed to view national vulnerability as something being permanently avoided at all costs.. Hence, rhetoric such as "we were incompetent", or "it was a big mistake", appears to be a particularly effective method of diffusing curiosity.

Basically, you suffer from a failure of imagination as to why intelligence and governance agencies, would wish to self-expose an infinitely exaggerated description of the surveillance infrastructure enveloping the West..

Trying to make you think deeper about why you were delivered a hero on a silver platter.

That's the sound of bumping up against your boundaries, so we're getting somewhere.

"Regular people" .. Are we not talking about Snowden.. Whatevs you're nonsensical. Sleep tight.

Ah okay.. Just like you and me, an average Joe, "hired by an NSA contractor, Booze Allan Hamilton, after previous employment with Dell and the CIA". Yep.

The evidence for your malleability is an untapped resource.

Doubt it. Think you're underestimating his capacity for basic human foresight, a result of the "humanising" stories, talking about his girlfriend/apartment etc.. pfft

You need to attack the facade a bit.. I'm not going to walk you through it.. Not much adds up, and still hasn't released most of the "revelations".. Greenwald has done very well, Omidyar connections.. the anomalies need another look from you.

There are tonnes of reasons why your approach should be less triumphant.. Just appears like naivety is fueling your optimism.. and then a limited scope, having you assume the citizen consumer is to blame for media distortion of truth..

I'm talking specifically about your trust in the Snowden story, and what leads you and others to accept similar agency concoctions.. Not generally labelling you a simpleton. Your labelling me as delusional is predicated on how you're told to view people who don't trust propaganda. I.e. saying more about you than me.

I used to work in the media with journalists, and covered terrorism related stories. I know how they function. They're either oblivious and disinterested, too arrogant to admit ignorance, aware and conscious of financial self-preservation, or aware their position is to follow company editorial directives (including press-release journalism, and word-for-word injection of news agency contributions exactly like that of supposed Rothschild-owned Reuters).

You're a pro ice-skater as you glide over history.

The Government isn't a single unit, especially in the U.S. Trillions missing in intelligence budgets, black budgets, JSOC, zero accountability etc.. The govt is generally trying to function for efficiency in supporting the public, but then there's agencies that aren't. They're pursuing geopolitical ends, socio/cultural engineering etc.. Things you're unaware of in other words.

I don't believe in "fake news". I think the "fake news" phenomenon is a psyop to inoculate against skepticism in a reverse psychology play.

"My views"

• "they have tech we don't"... I don't think that. I don't support most of the ridiculous theories about Tech.

• "they have surveillance in to our lives"... See this is what I'm talking about: you trust Snowden, but STILL consider full spectrum surveillance to not be a reality! - NO I don't believe in full surveillance. I think much of it is a PSYOP.

• "secret organisations".. What, like intelligence agencies. Yes there are secret organisations, projects, agreements, collaborations, lobby groups, etc. Again, reality eludes you.

• "can't understand their brilliance".. - No, but can't necessarily anticipate their objectives, strategies, methods of subversion and concealment.

This goes over your head I know. But don't research any of it.

My quote - "The govt is generally trying to function for efficiency in supporting the public, but then there's agencies that aren't".

And you say: "How do you know?" ... How am I meant to relinquish my concern, when your stance is rigidly anti-skeptical around the subject at hand.. So much so that you've avoided the concepts and their precedents which have been laid bare and undeniable through multitudes of historical examples... You've got black sites, torture, massacres, counterinsurgency, unconventional warfare, drug smuggling, arms smuggling, coups, propaganda programs, the list goes on..

All funds within the government are accounted for when spending. How does funding for these to these agencies work? Do some of the "legit" parts of the government throw money in a black box makes "nefarious operations" and not care what happens?

This is ignorant of basic examples like Contra program, and undoubtedly more. What about missing Pentagon Trillions on 9/10/01...

The govt is compartmentalised. I'm not even American btw, but your govt is so transparently divided (to the outside world at least), in how it functions domestically and internationally, particularly highlighted by the ongoing military and clandestine aspects.

I don't care for Trump. Functionally, he's continuation of the program, and only dressed-up as change. He's a tool of divide which of course Americans would fall for.

"They are not a group of sociopaths or masterminds. Most are people who are low payed (compared to other professions) but believe in making a better world"..

You've combined the straw man, the utopian BS, and the absolving of responsibility.. :/

"Everyone has their own fantasy, buy don't be such an ass to think that this is objectively truth if you can't back it up with facts. Neither of our stances are provable, "..

Again, you just wouldn't know. I doubt you've spent five minutes on the issues we've spoken about, and if you had, your mind would repel the information and you'd seek the vocabulary to rationalise away what you found.

Not sure why you're here (in conspiracy), but all the best nonetheless.

I cannot compute what you're telling me here. I've said nothing fictional or delusional. Point out something you think I can't support.

... To expand, your country currently generates the highest profile conspiracies, because it is emburdened by geopolitical projects, ideologies, factions and lobbies, which influence the military, political and cultural institutions of that 'empire'.

Telling me to mind my own business, shows you're ignoring the effect that U.S has on the overall global context, and to the extent of how much this post 9/11 condition has spread to most other western countries.

All western countries now experience the same propaganda around geopolitics, practically all participate in the American wars, and are captured by same surveillance like Five Eyes, NSA, have U.S bases, black sites, and get pressured into buying enormous arms purchases, etc.

You just don't know enough.. Nothing wrong with it, but you must be relatively quite young to have such a narrow scope of how all this works together.

Put a name to “the bad guys/evil” that resonates with conspiracy theorists and far right groups to draw a crowd. Make people think they are part of something big and secret to keep them committed without proof. Once popularity rises bring god into it to get some of those christian extremists on your side. Make vague/unprovable big claims alongside small easily predictable claims with a “disinfo is necessary” disclaimer so everything the group wants to be true is gospel and anything that gets handily debunked was just a trick against the “enemy”. Like the signature photoshop or the pic on AF1 that was just an inverted picture of Obama’s AF1 from the internet—Accepted as true, proven fake, then accepted as trolling the evil guys. It’s cult-like.

If true, then the military and trump administration is relying on the hacker known as 4chan to convince the general public that all of their favorite celebrities and politicians are evil satanist pedophile murderers who want to engulf the world in nuclear fire, with nothing but a mix of tangential associations, unsubstantiated claims, and appeals to religion. It wouldn’t hold up.

The thing about q is that it’s built on the assumption that every conspiracy theory about democrats is definitely true. Pg8, birth certificate, U1, scalia death conspiracy, seth rich, pretty much any and all anti-democrat conspiracy theories that exist are considered true to begin with. If you aren’t onboard, you’re against them. They are being told what they want to hear, or rather led towards a conclusion that they already believed to be true.

Wtf is q

A self proclaimed Trump administration insider who's been leaking info since before trump was even elected.

Google 'book of q' and 'roseanne Qanon' to get mostly caught up if you like

Run!
For the sake of your sanity: run!

That rabbit hole is a maze you don't want to enter...

I agree with your logic, OP

your logic proposes one scenario, but what if q is many people within a resistance to the canal that is both on and off planet? what if this group possesses technology equal to and even greater than the cabal? What if trump is being used as a public asset to undermine the mainstream narrative while a “silent” war takes place?

you not only disagreed but you felt too exhausted to even consider some of my points (sorry to explore beyond your tolerance level). furthermore, you framed me as a fundamentalist! nice use of logical fallacies!

still framing to preserve your belief system? and gaslighting to boot! all coming from a false sense of superiority? well done, lad!

you must try harder to be respectful, because you’re coming off more arrogant than you think.

back again and gaslighting once more, i see. And you thought I was the troll?

I’m not sure why you keep making assumptions and rely on logical fallacies to prove your points. is it not enough to believe what you believe without needing to create false scenarios and judgments? are you not open to new information and possible considerations beyond your known perceptions? and speaking of perceptions, are you utilizing your true potential or are you limiting yourself based on what you’ve experienced/understand thus far?

Assuming Q is a LARP, and let’s say conservatively has 50,000 reliable followers, and holds himself out as a conduit for communicating official Presidential policy, then the President is obligated to disavow.

Yet he hasn’t.

Any explanation?

If acquired under a false pretense, then why has the media failed to call him out.

It’s not like they are fans of Trump to begin with.

Show me where the media has asked Trump or his press secretary to disavow.

No one has asked Sarah Sanders at her daily briefing to disavow.

Show me.

This guy allegedly asked:

https://twitter.com/Q_ANONBaby/status/1048079911813107713

He hasn't just chosen not to disavow.

https://i.imgur.com/AGyMN6q.jpg

Search qanon Lionel on youtube.

Beware of Dog

https://voat.co/v/QRV

Believe it or not. It's definitely a parallel narrative. And it's eliciting a reaction.

My only point is that for better or worse Q pushes buttons with people.

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Didn't see the Voat link anywhere in your thread so wanted to give a direct link to flesh out your concern of disinformation.

I have this disturbing feeling that what Q calls the "deepstate" is actually the last group of free people stopping them from having 100% control.

I have no doubt Q is the deepstate, telling enough truth to get a army of people behind them. But I dont like where they are steering people, it's almost as if Q is drawing out people with the network and abilities to fight back.

I wouldnt doubt at all that they are knocking out the last few pegs before they have total control. Only time will tell i guess.

My only thing with this is we need to have hope in somethings. Like me reading your post which i appreciate this angle you take. It seems there is actually no chance we will ever be saved from TPTB. If anyone gets in they will immediately be turned against or their path steered. If what you say is all true and logical, then I can logically conclude that we are all fucked and will be for all future because nobody can beat this threat od the deepstate. They win at every turn. Come on man, they are just humans that had ancestors that skirted the laws or crossed them to make a fortune and political dynasty. They aren't hyper AI aliens that never have human fuck ups or miscalculations. In my mind I do not know if Q is correct or not, it at least gives people hope and gives people things to look up. Many times it is things that I have read discussed here. So is that not the best out come for us. Essentially a machine or red pilling normies... Is that not what much of the discussion is on here. Spreading what we believe is the truer story or looking at all the facts. Its strange that conspiracy opposes Q theories so hard. Or its a concerted effort idk.

I completly agree with you. I neither have to take or leave becuase I already hold this opinon. But the only issue as far as ever progressing to the utopia of happiness and love(which may happen in the distant or near future) is that people like you and I and many others that think like this do not care for positions of power. We just look to make our own life and loves of others around us better. I cannot recall the philosopher off the top of my head but he stated that the best ruler of a nation is the person that does not want to be tje leaser as they would act like you and I. Just look at making the world a better place rather than personal gains.

I can't speak for Q other than it is 100% red pilling people that would otherwise not look into conspiracy information.

As for Trump, I can say there is the biggest chance for denecularization of NK. Which by itself is massive and the past two 8 yr term presidents didnt get close.

The largest amount of Pedo and sexual harassment arrests I have ever seen. It is not like they just sprung up, they existed under the past presidencies but I havent seen shit before.

We do not hear about soldiers constantly dying in the middle east or random bombings as much anymore. Seems to have died down after the election.

The wall os being built. Wether that is negative or positive is up to the person but action is happening.

Lastly, if you have no stocks during this Trump presidency then you are sadly missing out. Some of the biggest growth I have ever seen my investments for a long time. Feelsgreatman.

Those are the things that come up in my experiences and personal life that I have noticed. I would like to hear your opinions as well though. I also do want to add that I did not vote Trump and was originally a Bernie supporter.

One of the secrets Snowden released were a set of PowerPoint presentations showcasing operation JTRIG. I recommend everyone take a look at them via the intercept. They detail how something like the Q phenomenon could be manufactured from within the nsa. Having throughly looked over these slides, it’s hard not to see the similarities. I keep an open mind about it though and reserve the right to change my mind based on new information.

I’m not really sure what the intercepts take on Q is.

Ah, Yes! I could have articulated it better as well. I say "Q phenomenon" as a way to personally define the movement or group. https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/