They lied about the straw polls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Total_Straw_Poll_Victories_%28Updated_March_20,_2012%29

This was my awakening. He was ignored by the Republican Party, and he was ignored by the media.

He had a different strategy of securing delegates instead of traditional primary campaigning that we normally see. GOP blocked his delegates and removed them from the convention.

When Paul made waves the media wouldn’t even mention his name. Paul took 2nd in Iowa? The pundits would talk about 1st, 3rd, 4th place and then talk up some schmo like Santorum who came in like 7th place as a “dark horse”. It was blatant, it was subversive.

I will never forgive the GOP establishment and the media.

Trump is not our savior. That’s all I know

Cool story, Hansel.

No one is going to be a “savior.” That isn’t how it works because politicians aren’t all-powerful monarchs. The best we can hope for is someone that does the best they can for as many Americans as possible. For now Trump is doing some good things, the economy is improving, and he’s forcing everyone to discuss important topics. Things could be a lot worse.

We will see. He could be playing it safe until the second term

Lmao Trump strong armed the GOP for the nomination and they still backed him after being so blatantly disrespected

Or Republicans planned it all along. They actually used their outspoken words of opposition to make Donald Trump appear to be the "outsider," and they made sure he would win the primaries by overloading it with too many candidates. Then, the most infamous neocons made it clear how much they hated Donald Trump and some even endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Here in r/conspiracy, we should be able to recognize a grade-school level LARP -- especially when Republicans did it just a few years earlier with the Tea Party that went all Establishment after the 2010 election.

Now Donald Trump has done the same thing. He supports exactly the Republican agenda -- the very same agenda going all the way back to Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover.

Since the election, this has become crystal clear. Republicans are still pretending they hate Donald Trump while supporting nearly everything he does. This could not be clearer.

Also the zionists. Also the Democrats. They gave him 100% screen time. They handed this shit to him. Reverse psychology.

In a republic it is the populace's responsibility to hold the govt accountable.

So, in your opinion, would you say the system was designed to allow what we now have, or powerless to prevent it?

An engaged populace is the requirement of a self governing people. In the modern age of mass media it seems we have advocated that responsibility foolishly thinking the press will let us know when we need to act as opposed to being involved in the first place and in a functional position to take action.

The system was designed with this involvement implied, self governance takes action and oversight by the governed. The idea that protest is the extent of influence the citizenry can responsibly execute (reactionary) has been played up over the last 55 years with the combined effect of a media heavy perspective leading to an apathetic and overwhelmed people. If your worldview comes from a box, don't be surprised if feel boxed in by the limited and curated perspective it cultivates.

GOP blocked his delegates

They changed the rules to screw him out of the convention and those same rule changes were weaponized by Trump, allowing for him to win the nomination. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/republican-convention-rules-trump-cruz-221355

This so much!!! They screwed Ron Paul with this rule and got screwed right back when they tried to out Trump.

That’s not even what he said.

Trump got like 90% of the media publicity among the republican candidates.

Ron Paul was essentially shadow banned by the media.

If the dems weren't using pied piper strategy trump would have got 0 as well.

The rule that the GOP created forcing delegates to vote how the states voted was what fucked Ron Paul, they tried to change it back and a court ruled no, and delegates were forced to vote for trump.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/how-obscure-rnc-rule-helping-donald-trump/

Yep. 2008 and 2012 were disgusting primaries. Then the Neocons and ultimately Trump hijacked that movement and ruined everything.

he was ignored by the media.

Are you kidding? He was covered exhaustively. Way out of proportion to his low poll numbers.

Exhaustively? I’m open to the interpretation that he was always a long shot, but to say his coverage was “exhaustive” is comedic.

https://youtu.be/BVJnJn40fUQ

I don't know how we can measure it objectively. But I followed that campaign very closely, and Paul was covered constantly. I realize his die hard fans will always look for a conspiracy to blame for his defeat, and will never take any position other than "HE WAS SCREWED BY DA MAN!!!1!" but those are not the people I would ask for an unbiased account.

Where people come up with this bullshit is beyond me. IMO uncritical eye must be a shill or low IQ.

Definitely a strange take. Even Ron Paul bashers seemed to be in agreement that he never got the coverage he deserved. First time I’ve heard someone disagree on that specific point.

Paul’s strategy was to win over delegates directly instead of campaigning to win a primary vote which would win the vote of those delegates. However, delegates are technically free to vote for who they want. And Paul convinced many to vote for him despite not winning primary votes in those states. GOP tried to make certain delegates sign affidavits saying they would vote for Romney under penalty of perjury. When they refused to do so, they were forcibly removed from the convention.

Long story short: GOP changed the rules because they didn’t like the outcome. They are allowed to do that technically, but doesn’t any less abhorrent.

Typically if you secure enough primary votes then you “win” the vote of a number of that state’s delegates. However, there is no legal obligation for those delegates to vote for YOU just because you won the primary vote. Delegates are technically still individuals like you or I who have the right to vote for whomever they like, it’s just tradition for them to vote for the winner. Paul convinced many of these state delegates to vote for him instead, despite candidates like Romney technically “winning” those delegates from the primary votes.

When the GOP realized Paul had flipped a large enough number of delegates, they pulled the plug and changed it to a legal obligation to vote for the winner, causing many of the delegates Paul won to walk out.

But this is the opposite of what the Dems did. The GOP was insuring that the people vote mattered and the Dems insured that the super delegates mattered

I wasn’t making any parallels to what the Dems did. Just describing the situation in 2012. The issue was with the GOP changing the rules at the convention to remove delegates ability to choose who they wanted, which was their means of fixing the results. Whether you agree with the rule or not, it was carried out in an underhanded and unethical manner.

So he actually had the votes to win?

No. Never. Not even close.

No according to the articles I read the polls before the election had Paul ahead and yet he lost.

No. That never happened. He never led in the polls. The closest he got was he was in 3rd place for about a week in April 2012. That was his peak.

Now I’m not saying it’s all BS but couldn’t the polls be wrong and Paul really lost fair and square? Could people just be saying these things because they can’t accept the fact they lost?

That's exactly what's happening.

I’m just trying to play devil’s advocate here.

That's wise.

When someone is doing somewhat well, they benefit significantly from the media covering it. That can be what gives their campaign the extra boost to go from 3rd or 4th place to 1st. The media refusing to discuss his rising standings and instead pretending he doesnt exist deprived him of the popularity he deserved, and so many people missed out on the opportunity to learn what he was about and give him their consideration. It is fairly similar to what happened with Sanders.

And yet people claim that the media tried to screw Trump during the election.

Yeah, the media's been Trump's biggest support base since he started.

Yeah the 90% negative coverage sure did the trick.

https://youtu.be/dWet2SbU07c here's a clip of the Daily show showing how it went down.

Check the polls on August 14 and 15, the dates highlighted at the start of this video. The top three candidates are exactly as stated: Romney, Bachman, and Perry.

Ron Paul was in 4th.

There is a great John Stewart clip on this.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWet2SbU07c

It was a legit media blackout. Right before the primaries/caucus in Iowa, Paul was actually LEADING Iowa in the polls, then somehow he gets 3rd like day of. Then he got 2nd in New Hampshire for the 2nd state and media didnt care. They kept telling everyone "he's unelectable he wont win" - well yeah win you tell the American zombies that enough they start believing it...and sure enough I got in countless arguments on social media with people regurgitating that "hes unelectable! Id like him if it wasnt for his foreign policy!"

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there was a lot of voting shenaigans too at the time, and I know there were youtube videos breaking it down but we all know how long those types of videos stay up...

Here are some facts to go with your speculation:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-1581.html

Politics is corrupt, water is wet

Hate to be that guy, but water isn’t wet.

The GOP establishment would rather lose to the Dems than allow Ron Paul win (under the GOP banner.

You are correct to link to Bernie---why not allow a Primary system to honestly pick your most likely-to-win-candidate??

It defies logic until you realize...

How do you feel about extending, or eliminating the Statutes of Limitations for sexual assaults? Seems like that is tailor-made for use as a stink-bomb to use "against someone"?

There should be substantial repercussions for making false claims of sexual assault. A man's (or woman's) life can be ruined with that one lie. How many claims crop up from "morning after" regrets or revenge for "pump and dump." Since there is little in the way of repercussions (what is it, a misdemeanor to make false statements? And who's going to 'victim shame?' Meanwhile the accused has that black cloud hanging over them for life), there's no deterrent for immoral, entitled individuals. Bottom line, guys (and ladies): carefully vet your partners, or risk destroying your life.

Big difference was Ron Paul did not go on to endorse or campaign for the primary winners in '08 or '12. Sanders did roll over and go out hard for Clinton, leaving his supporters and delegates hanging at the DNC. Sanders got next to nothing added to the DNC Platform, yet still went out for Clinton.

Both parties made the same huge mistake. Instead of bringing in the most energetic new comers to the party, they purposely excluded them, and both had the same results. Imagine if Ron Paul was the VP in '08 or '12? Or Sanders in '16? A different dynamic would have been seen.

I supported Paul both times, and in the general, I wrote in Paul instead of supporting either of the two major party candidates.

The Republican Party also tried to do the same thing to Trump. Didn’t they shut Trump out of one the state primaries and gave it to Cruz?

The Manafort thing is grasping at straws by any stretch of imagination. Muh Russia collusion...meaningless drivel and "unnamed sources"..the Globe and Enquirer are more credible sources than the MSM at this point. Sad! Let's see some evidence guys. Meanwhile actual documented evidence of criminal behavior by previous administrations is brushed under the rug.

This video documents the event and news coverage

I vividly remember a major news organization reporting on the polls. 1st: Obama, 2nd: McCain, 4th: Hillary.

Wait a tic. That's not how we count to 4. They literally, blatantly ignored that Ron Paul was polling in 3rd. They ignored the massive support Paul had from military service members. Then when I voted for him and checked my local vote tally, they didn't include any votes from my precinct.

Fuck the government.

Ron Paul never broke 10% in polls of GOP voters through all of 2012. He had no chance of winning the nomination.

It's true; there was a lot of fraud then.

If that Nazi piece of shit president was right about just one thing while he was still a candidate, the election is rigged, and it's been rigged for a long time.

I'm Canadian but followed the US election coverage.

Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders both got screwed over by their parties.

I kind of wish Americans would turn off the partisan blinders and just objectively look at the idea that both sides of the US political spectrum are controlled by people higher up. Left, right, it doesn't matter.

Ron Paul got screwed over hard by the media and the RNC. Bernie Sanders, same thing just with the DNC.

It's all rigged. By the time you guys get to the polls, the candidates are already picked and you guys get a choice between controlled puppet A or B.

You don't have a chance to win the nomination in the modern republican party if you don't put the interests of Israel above or equal to the interests of the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP-mDSLWgok

Look up Ron Paul Maine Delegation.

Remember The Maine

I started following him during the '08 election. I noticed that Fox News was actively trying to make him seem crooked and racist by taking small edits of him saying outlandish things with audio of crowds booing him. They were even taking the video of him and tinting the hue to make him look yellow sickly (kinda like how today's networks make Trump look oranger than reality). There was a ton of interest in him. One day I was waiting in line at a restaurant behind a group of elderly people talking about how much they like Ron Paul's policies, but then one of them interjected, "yeah, I think he's great, but he just doesn't have a chance." The TV was telling us that much and back in those days TV was a powerful brainwashing force, but it's not as powerful anymore. Big tech is the new brainwashing threat.

The Ron Paul situation was my redpill. Ron Paul was by far the most popular candidate and the way they shut it down was one of the most disheartening things I have ever experienced.

I actually made a post in /r/SandersForPresident warning them about what would happen about a year before the election and got 5 up votes lol. You couldn't even help these people if you wanted to. They are so fucking stupid, honestly they got what they deserve with this current administration.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/356rtm/the_huge_elephant_in_the_room_election_fraud/

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I think Ron Paul copped out in the end.

Yup. He was the last politician I really got behind. I even went to a rally when he visited my town and my (now)wife got her phone case signed by him. It seemed like everyone was pumped about him.

Then I noticed that I had to really dig to find his content. He wasn't getting the air time that other candidates were, even though he was ahead of them. Add to that the snide comments from newsheads and the blatant whitewashing of his message and material. It was infuriating.

That's when I realized that this problem won't be solved by voting. Because we will never be given the chance to vote for someone who wants to change things.

Ron Paul made more common sense than any other candidate, before and since! Freedom of Choice is a mere illusion.

Not only in 2012, but 2008 as well. They weren't quite as prepared in 2008 so the GOP were just flailing in a panic. In my state, caucuses were shut down and disregarded when Ron Paul supporters showed up and secured delegate spots. Ron Paul supporting delegates were rooted out and disenfranchised by any means possible (I remember one person being stripped of their delegate position because they had attended a Libertarian rally of some kind, for instance). At the state convention they put language into the rules that would allow them to railroad the party platform through without allowing for proposed amendments, because there was a strong showing (nowhere near a majority, maybe a quarter, or so) of Ron Paul supporters who wanted to interject. It was a mess.

By 2012 the machine was in place to prevent Ron Paul supporters from really being able to get much traction. There was a ton more support for RP, but the establishment was in their element and it was pretty clear that it wasn't going to be able to make much of a dent. If only the numbers had been there a few years earlier...

I've been talking to people about this ever since I saw the strikingly similar narrative play out in the Bernie/Hilary race. It reminded me of what I learned back in those 2008 & 12 elections, and it really drove home for me just how true it is that there is no substantive difference between the D's & the R's. They're just two sides of the same worthless, poisonous coin.

Both Fox and CNN did nothing but trash him for saying logical things...that's how you know he was legit.

I was involved then.

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The news cycle was fake. The polls were fake. The media was fake. The Romney v. Obama discourse was choreographed.

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Ron Paul was the real winner in Iowa, but the local GOP tried covering that up by initially making Romney the winner, until they were forced to resign, and "a recount" was conducted. Then, the announced winner was Santorum, because the Grand Old Politburo powers that be decided they would rather risk defeat and alienation at the polls in November, than have someone outside their control on a mainstream debate stage with President Obama, or in The Oval Office.

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It was Ron who won the most delegates from Iowa by the time of the Tampa Convention. Their purge of the Paul supporters further sealed their doom in November. Only Ron stood a reasonable chance at having a broad enough, multi-partisan appeal as a fundamentally anti-war, pro-civil liberties candidate.

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The newsletters were problematic, and worthy of more serious scrutiny by those of us who were involved in the days of the '12 campaign. But, their content was not reflective of the overwhelming vast majority of the liberty movement. While, unfortunately, some of the Ron crowd did go alt-right, and some were always alt-right, what those of us who weren't about that were trying to do as committed libertarians then was use the GOP as a vehicle to advance human freedom; by "throwing all the bums out" in keeping with the early Tea Party movement's message that was by no means only reserved for establishment Democrats. That message was further bastardized beyond recognition by Republican oligarchical elitists much later.

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We wanted a better world. We wanted smaller government, and more freedoms for everyone; regardless of skin color, or country of origin. We were against ALL wars of imperialist aggression, no matter which country's military-industrial complex was ultimately responsible for starting one.

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It's concerning and unnerving to see so many former Paul supporters, and once self-described committed Constitutionalists, who have since sacrificed their beliefs in liberties for a false promise of security from a notorious liar, and an authoritarian tyrant who is every bit a component, along with his entire administration of criminals, of the very DC swamp he claims to be draining.... Maybe former Ron supporters might remember his speeches on the subject, and what the former congressman himself has had to say about the neo-theocon administration that has since succeeded Obama.

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There was about the Ron Paul revolution lot that was similar to the Bernie movement in the sense that, like libertarianism post-2012, it eclipsed the popular appeal of the two political parties self-described libertarians and democratic socialists have had only limited success running for office in. If the best of both currents could merge, and keep the extremism out of their movements, they would be a serious force to be reckoned with, and a real game changer. And, that's why neither party is willing to endorse real revolutionary messages, as they would undermine their continued monopoly on power, and all their trillions at stake.

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There are people still alive today who have been a part of these movements. There are antifa street marchers and white nationalists alike who were a part of the Ron Paul movement before they were literally doing battle with each other in American street turf wars.

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There were Occupy Wall Street Paul supporters as much as their were Bundy Rancher Ron Paul supporters.

It was a very broad political and social movement whose unifying message was, for the most part (with some exceptions), anti-establishmentarian.

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My best advice to anyone who was maybe too young to remember what was happening when this was happening is find someone who was involved then. Everyone who was there has a story to tell. For better and for worse, it is the future of America. The R3VOLUTION continues, and it's not being televised. It's being livestreamed, and it's in the mainstream news cycle.

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The GOP's attempted suppression of the Paul rebellion significantly weakened an element of the Republican establishment that, for all of its sins, was keeping a lid on SOME things, emboldened the rise of another arm of the political establishment, and fueled the rise of the libertarians and the neo-Nazi alt-right extremists who sometimes masquerade as libertarians in a similar sense to the way extremists in Syria sometimes masquerade as "moderate rebels" whenever they're trying to soften their image beyond the civil war zone that's now almost a decade old. In a number of respects, today's political battles in the U.S. significantly mirror the dynamics at play in Syria. And, if we're not careful, we might be headed down that road soon if we're not there already.

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We now have anti-fascists at war with literal fascists the president considers "fine people," even though they're Nazis. And, the roots of both groups very much had their roots in and briefly intersected in the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION.

I talked to someone involved in the Maine primary.

The GOP instructed the locals not to open the results of their town's primary. The locals voted to open the results, Paul won. The GOP was pissed, implied that they would have counted the votes differently.

ok i'm gonna hit you with the horrible truth... you wont believe it at first but over time you will...

all the politicians are controlled... its just theater for the masses... bernie and ron etc are to give an illusion of choice to certain demographics. they are always saying great things but in reality never DO anything great. after all the theater ,the one they wanted gets in but he is only a spoksperson. they have no real power... they are just a figurehead for the people to love then hate till it all starts again.

don't waste any time on the shit show your life will be much better for it.

btw ron and bernie agree with the official story of 911 so that should be proof enough.

the masses need to have an illusion of choice or we would fight back.

you are living in a people farm... the point of this farm is to farm the humans... this is why the poor pay for the rich.

look deeper.....

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7z4359/the_core_conspiracy_simplified_stay_focused_as/

How Ron Paul was cheated out of presidency

Here it is.

When someone is doing somewhat well, they benefit significantly from the media covering it. That can be what gives their campaign the extra boost to go from 3rd or 4th place to 1st. The media refusing to discuss his rising standings and instead pretending he doesnt exist deprived him of the popularity he deserved, and so many people missed out on the opportunity to learn what he was about and give him their consideration. It is fairly similar to what happened with Sanders.

There should be substantial repercussions for making false claims of sexual assault. A man's (or woman's) life can be ruined with that one lie. How many claims crop up from "morning after" regrets or revenge for "pump and dump." Since there is little in the way of repercussions (what is it, a misdemeanor to make false statements? And who's going to 'victim shame?' Meanwhile the accused has that black cloud hanging over them for life), there's no deterrent for immoral, entitled individuals. Bottom line, guys (and ladies): carefully vet your partners, or risk destroying your life.