TMOR Manipulation Megathread

1  2018-10-10 by axolotl_peyotl

Hey everyone! Many folks have suggested making a thread to start compiling evidence of the sustained attack against the /r/conspiracy community being carried out by /r/TopMindsofReddit and similar hate subs.

For example, this comment of mine was aggressively targeted by those participating in this TMOR thread, resulting in a comment score of below -350, which is unheard of (by many orders of magnitude) when dealing with a normal /r/conspiracy thread with negligible visibility.

Similarly, when I called them out for this stalkerish behavior they responded they only way they know how: with further brigades.

Please take this opportunity to share your stories of abuse perpetrated by these vile individuals.

They are cockroaches. Let's break out the spotlight.

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You're giving them free publicity, pal. Its gonna backfire.

Can i post here yet?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LovingBully

When someone bullies someone else because they have a crush on them. This is usually because they aren't sure how to convey their feelings properly. Often the bully is a Type A Tsundere. The target of the bullying is generally under the impression that the bully is simply mean and has no clue the bully has a crush on them.

haha exactly! OBSESSED

There is much Truth to this. On the other side - hate really is their love. Their version of hate more closely correspond to ignoring something. The other side really is inverted. My parents were like this. Sort of like on Seinfeld, I realized if I did the opposite of what they would do I’d be on a productive path.

Non-conformists have a certain fascination to the limited, huh

Oooo, I want to go first. This thread. How does a post at 0 karma, that should barely show up on anyone's front page let alone the conspiracy front page, have comments in the 300-400+ karma range?

-5 karma. Theeeeey'ree hereeeeeeee.

Lol, because those were funny comments, and there is no conspiracy there. Unless maybe you're really young and don't have a whole lot of experience in the world and how it works.

Maybe you got brigaded, but I will admit that I upvoted both of the 2 top comments when I saw the post earlier today.

Maybe you got brigaded, but

Please stop perpetrating this talking point.

What is the talking point? I am simply saying that things may not be exactly black and white, and provided my own anecdotal data point on two of the upvotes.

And anecdotally, from my 10 years on Reddit, people tend to upvote clever, pithy replies.

It used to be that folks denied brigading was even occurring...and now I've seen many users morph that denial into "well OK it's happening BUT that user deserved it" or something similar.

I simply don't buy that reasoning.

People also denied that shilling was happening for a long time - and now its so rampant that we have rules to ostensibly ban people for accusing others of it.

In this case, if OPs post somehow got visibility, then it was downvoted because it was a shallow analysis - basically a "No shit Sherlock."

If it was hidden or something though then yeah maybe it did get brigaded. I spend a lot of time on new though so I don't always notice those things.

Nothing gets remotely close to -350 points on a /r/conspiracy thread with 0 total link karma if it's not being brigaded.

crickets

How do you determine the difference between users you disagree with and a brigade?

12 points, 50% upvoted.

The conspiracy users aren't this organized or Mobile about any one issue, especially against a mod.

Look at this post, and where it stands at this point. Even the most controversial shit doesn't have this many comments to a 12+ upvoted post (at this moment).

It seems that the sheer mention if TMOR causes this subreddit to react violently, any idea why that may be?

The conspiracy users aren't this organized or Mobile about any one issue, especially against a mod.

Based on what information?

5+ years of arguing with them. No offense, but we are a spastic bunch who literally lose our shit over a misquote.

Based on any post, that doesn't involve partisan interests.

The stark differences between threads that are not linked to TMOR and threads like this and the Banksy one yesterday.

It's literal willful ignroance to believe that those two posts have natural vote counts.

Also, I get people don't like RMFN and Axotl, but holy shit you can go down to one or their comments (you know when it gets to that point in a discussion where no one else reads because of the 'continue thread here's type notice) and see that they are hassled to the point that benign comments agreeing with a thread is downvoted massively for them.

They are literally the only two users who make a vocal effort against TMOR and TMOR have a self-proclaimed nazihunting boner for em, unless you can somehow convince me that those users are doing it to themselves to make a subreddit dedicated to making fun of us look bad.

There is a conspiracy there.

The 'official story' is that Banksy and Banksy alone rigged the painting frame to shred the painting.

The mystery surrounding how this was accomplished added to the art and actually raised the value of the painting.

If indeed Sotheby's orchestrated it, yet publicly claimed that they had no foreknowledge of the event, then not only is it a conspiracy, but it is fraud, to the tune of $9 million

This was a complete whoosh to the TMOR users. The thread title that links to that thread treats it like the linked thread was just stating the obvious.

Top mind realizes Banksy set up the painting shredding incident, after hours of research indicating that picture frames do not usually contain paper shredders.

It makes no reference to the fact that the linked post is alleging Sotheby's knew about the shredding event beforehand. Not Banksy.

I wouldn't be surprised if TMOR is actually run like National Enquirer's whole "catch and kill" scam where the mods are willing to accept money to squash specific stories.

Of course, their 100,000 subscribers wouldn't know that. They are just NPCs lured in by the fact that its easier to bully conspiracy theorist to ease ones cognitive dissonance than it is to resolve it by genuine morbid curiosity.

But weren't we specifically told in another stickied thread to always sort by 'new'?

There close to 3k subscribers of this sub online. If they're sorting by new as they were instructed, maybe that's why stupid stuff gets downvoted right away.

Unintended consequences are a thing. Just like stickying yet another post about 'real conspiracy users' brigading this sub.

Making threads artificially sticky so they're not 'artificially' downvoted is a sure way to attract downvotes. Also, it's clearly trying to drive an invented narrative. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

It is bvious that they run downvote scripts on this sub. It is also obvious that they do so with the reddit admins blessing, as this behavior should be simple to spot.

Agreed.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that they can generate -350 downvotes.

Or 500+ upvotes.

Nah you guys are just morons we're are having fun with.

Is 350 votes that unbelievable that it must be bots?

They obviously brigade, but i'm questioning whether it's individual users or bots.

It is scripts. I've seen comments on unpopular posts gain 70 upvotes in 10 minutes.

That indicates brigading. It doesn't indicate bots.

Actually, the short time span most definitely indicates bots.

How could you make this sort of judgement without knowing the current user activity?

How do we know that water is wet or are we going to pretend otherwise there, too?

I'm not sure if you are joking around or that is a serious reply.

Pretty sure there is a script that downvotes all new posts also. If you sort by new you can see that everything gets downvotes within seconds of it being posted.

Some comments in the brigaded threads reach 500+ points (with 0 link karma).

Didnt answer my question.

Real people, or bots?

I honestly don't know! It could be both...

Pay attention and it's obvious, check in only once when there's drama and it works as intended.

Which is unreasonable because...?

Reality.

This very thread is a best proof, 326 comments and 1 link karma only. Not normally possible.

Yep. Could it be an more obvious that reddit's admins are complicit?

Check out their leadership, like people who used to manage middle eastern conquered lands

Look who owns reddit's parent corporation, Advance Publications.

Nearly every comment marked with red "controversial" dagger.

A near perfect 1:1 ratio. A downvote to cancel every upvote.

"Actual" proof of something. IDK what, but definitely shenanigans.

One suggested that I commit suicide then threatened to doxx me (and basically intimated it would be easy for the deep state to get me).

All I did was emphasize to him that they are doing exactly the same thing that went on during the Armenian Genocide...trying to silence the intellectuals first.

And they call people who follow Q a "cult", yet I pointed out that I do not confer with anyone, whereas they adhere to a far more insular group behavior.

Don't you have books to burn? Excuse me, subreddits to ban?

I think the best argument against you would be to let you talk at length, in front of anyone who cares to watch. I don't even need to do a thing as you hang yourself on your own pretension. Please, speak for as long as it takes you to develop a modicum of self-awareness. Then, maybe read a few books and learn how smart people actually talk. I can give you some pointers if you'd like.

Then, maybe read a few books and learn how smart people actually talk. I can give you some pointers if you'd like.

Just a bit hypocritical there.

So you think it's fine to threaten to doxx someone and suggest, not very politely, that you go commit suicide? You find it more important to try to belittle me for some reason?

Are you really that bereft of a life?

suggest not very politely, that you go commit suicide? As though there was a considerate way to suggest that you were a waste of air. Still, let me give it a try: "Dear Sir, While I hesitate to suggest extreme measures, pondering the conundrum of the massive gap between your actual person and your opinion of your faculties has led me to the invariable conclusion that this realm would be substanatively improved by your self-induced departure from it."

You find it more important to try to belittle me for some reason?

You're martyring yourself because somebody teased you. Yes, I think it's important to drive home the point. No, I don't feel bad about doing it.

Are you really that bereft of a life? I work a job where I am surrounded by intelligent, thoughtful people. I find it cathartic to come to a place where real idiots prance around and take them down a peg, rather than letting them avail themselves of a self-adulating echo chamber they hardly deserve.

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topminds had a celebration thread for that PDG farewell that was nasty

Right?

How messed up is that?

They'd probably go as far as to change the CSS to celebrate causing someone's suicide.

They literally want us dead. Let that sink in.

Good bot (:

As I stated in here, they suggested that I commit suicide. Do these masters of psychology somehow think that is a viable tactic? I think it merely shows how impotent they are.

I think it's hilariously ironic their sub is called "top minds" and they go around policing people for being dumb.

They are the real "top minds" lmao.

And I like how they think that saying that the lot of them got "banned" from conspiracy somehow entitles them to attack conspiracy USERS. That is the some of the worst logic I've ever heard.

I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit:

 If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. (Info / Contact)

That comment was pretty beyond the pale though. I feel like a lot of your anti-meuller, pro-trump stuff is downvoted hard because we don't like that you have such a strong position on it - as head mod, it's really not right that you take such a opinion. You should help foster an environment where all conspiracies are welcome, including all the new people that came here expecting a this place to be a hub on the, maybe, biggest conspiracy ever.

because we

Um, who is "we"?

One of the 350 not-TMOR users that downvoted that comment? Like, I'm sure there were some, but their userbase is tiny compared to ours. The vast majority of most voting comes from this place.

The vast majority of most voting comes from this place.

Not in these instances. Please view the linked threads in my OP.

That particular thread had 1300 upvotes. Linked to a dead thread. The math is pretty clear.

That is the beauty of automation.

Haha bullshit

I am one of "we". This is the same mod who stickied a no-meta post about Q Anon that started from the premise that Q is real.

Literally stickied a one-sided post about the lamest LARP of all time.

Legitimizing something like that sends a very clear message. And it's frightening.

They have a vested interest in maintaining a conservative bias here, almost like there’s an agenda to make us look like an alt-right echo chamber.

Oh yeah, totally. Turds in the punchbowl, man. Why do you think there's all this censoring happening? They'll silence the pizzagaters, and the Qult and then the sandy hookers... but then they'll come for the rest of us.

STFU with the "us" and "we" crap stranger.

Nah.

Because you pretend to speak for me and you're incorrect? Because you're a top mind troll? Because you're an unhinged political zealot? I don't know pick one and then fuck off back to TMOR.

Jesus, talk about butthurt dude. Why do you think I’m TMOR? Maybe you are, considering your hostility and attitude.

You're a TMOR troll fag comimg out of the woodwork like usual to troll any thread AP posts in. I don't consider my behavior to be hostile because I'm not talking to another company subscriber I'm talking to a kid who trolls on Reddit for a living, so so sorry that hurts your feelings. I'm pretty civil person to person.

it may have many conservatives and/or libertarians, but i can guarantee your chances of getting banned here much less than a lefty subreddit.

This is the same mod who stickied a no-meta post

Mods have consensus votes before stickying posts.

Legitimizing something like that

The sticky is not, nor will it ever be, a legitimization tool.

that sends a very clear message.

No it doesn't.

And it's frightening.

No it isn't.

If not a legitimization then why sticky that post?

For discussion?

Some topics are deemed "unpalatable" by the disruptors of this sub, and they are frequently targeted, buried, and prevented from having an actual discussion.

Q threads fell victim to this systematic manipulation, so stickied threads often help elevate this conversations above the fray.

Conversely, if you disbelieve Q, why wouldn't you want the opportunity to debunk it with the increased visibility of a sticky thread?

The "outrage" over the use of stickies on /r/conspiracy has never really seemed genuine to me.

Because you personally have a clear right leaning bias and it keeps shining through and people are tired of it. Instead of cleaning up your act like people request, you insult and ban.

Why should he care if some political troll farm sub is tired of anything? If I were him I would be ignoring and banning all of you.

exactly the people in this thread are mostly TMOR users aswell not actual conspiracy theorists.

Mods take consensus votes before stickying posts.

There's literally like two mods who don't lust after Trump. Nice voting lol

And it's frightening.

LOL

What kind of jabroni actually types like this? Are you the person who writes the titles for DailyBeast articles or something?

The brigaders, clearly. They always talk in the third person, which makes it even more obvious.

That comment was pretty beyond the pale though. I feel like a lot of your anti-meuller, pro-trump stuff is downvoted hard because we don't like that you have such a strong position on it.

Right, maybe they did brigade but a lot of users here aren’t buying the “Trump is draining the swamp” BS. It’s a conspiracy sub, not T_D.

Right, maybe they did brigade but

Don't get caught up in this...these are new talking points that shift attention from the crux of the matter.

Believe me, I can't stand the TopMinds over at TMOR, but their little reverse psychology game of, "Hey, lets shit on everything pro Trump, Q, and conservative to get those idiots to defend them" isn't working on me. I still maintain this community thinks for itself, and doesn't fall prey to the "Trump is takin' down the deep state" psyop.

You can tell when someone engages in good faith. The real issue is the fucking vote brigades that bury anything pertinent from making it to the front page.

Probably because censoring a sub for vague and non-specific reasons, one that discussed many of the same topics discussed here, is perfect subject matter for this sub. It makes sense that refugees of GA would flock here in order to talk or discuss censorship.

You can tell when someone engages in good faith

The irony if making these two posts, when you are a Great Awakening refugee

Holy shit... How far down in my post history are you going? Wanna doxx me as well? Are you cute, maybe we can have dinner.

Both those posts are in this same thread, and you made them one after the other, dumbass.

Rule 10 moddies

2) No accusations of rules violations in comments. Please report violations.

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thanks

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Or maybe, just maybe..... alot of people don't like the astroturfing going on in this sub.

Or maybe it’s both.

When the Great Awakening got shut down, the Q larpers posted a direct link to r/conspiracy on one of the Chan's, leading to a huge influx of Q believers. Many directly mentioned the link that got them there

Strange i never saw you make even a peep about that

Probably because censoring a sub for vague and non-specific reasons, one that discussed many of the same topics discussed here, is perfect subject matter for this sub. It makes sense that refugees of GA would flock here in order to talk or discuss censorship.

The real one conspiracy is the one you guys deny the most.

Ironic isn't it? Your post about TMOR manipulation is getting manipulated by TMOR. They have that signature style of childish diversion and distraction that makes it easy to know when they're here...This BullShit has become more than a problem.

Why are they untouchable to r/conspiracy mods? Why the absolute refusal to deal with this tripe from r/conspiracy mods? Why the refusal to tag posts as "Brigaded" when TMOR has shit all over a post? Why are mods ALLOWING this to continue uninterrupted?

Why are mods ALLOWING this to continue uninterrupted?

What do you think we're doing? We're trying to stop it.

What do you think we're doing? We're trying to stop it.

I see absolutely no evidence that mods are trying to stop the TMOR brigading. It's undeniable that r/conspiracy has been under a sustained attack...I've messaged mods about posts that were beyond obvious they were being brigaded and I was told to "prove it"...when it was as obvious as the fucking sunrise the post was brigaded and rendered useless.

you are not tagging posts as "Brigaded" when they obviously have been.

You are not banning the obvious instigators.

And above all...r/conspiracy has NO RULES AGAINST BRIGADING r/conspiracy.

But...."we're trying" you say. Well then fuckin prove it.

you are not tagging posts as "Brigaded" when they obviously have been.

We are! We can do so with more frequency...I see no problem with that.

You are not banning the obvious instigators.

We are definitely doing this, and have been for years.

Unfortunately, reddit is very broken.

Even if you ban someone, they can still vote on the subreddit they've been banned from.

It's a frighteningly stupid oversight that leads to all manners of abuse and manipulation.

AFAIK, there is nothing the mods can do about this.

I believe the admins allow this because they appear to condone this behavior.

Well then fuckin prove it.

If you haven't noticed, I've been on the front lines in the fight for a long time.

And I'm not going anywhere, despite the best efforts of certain hate subs.

yes. It's a conspiracy sub so we should automatically believe the FBI narratives the president of the United States was colluding with Russia. We should also trust that the FBI director of 8 years (mueller) is a good guy but he's just doing his best to protect America

Also since it's a conspiracy said we should also trust CNN and MSNBC say

How did you get any of that crap from what I said

But why, then, instantly believe everything Trump, his crooked allies, and the #1 watched mainest of the mainstream media Fox says verbatim? Such T_D level political cult worship doesn't belong in a true conspiracy sub. You just can't dismiss every Trump conspiracy because you think he's cool baeed on what your media choices tell you, then latch on to everything else that has 0 evidence but looks bad for a faded old lady.

I feel like a lot of your anti-meuller

I've been around the conspiracy community long enough to know that Mueller has long been suspected of skulduggery and all manners of malfeasance since he started his position at the head of the FBI right before 9/11 and then presided over the anthrax "investigation", which has even been acknowledged to have been botched by the mainstream.

So yeah, there's traditionally no love lost for Mueller among conspiracy researchers.

One of the more impressive tricks they've pulled is getting folks to believe, often aggressively, that distrust for Mueller equates with support for Trump, which brings me to:

your pro-trump stuff

What "pro-trump" stuff are you referring to? I post tons of articles, but rarely take a stance on anything political.

One of the many unexpected outcomes of Trump's presidency was that all of the sudden many conspiracy theorists were assumed to be Trump supporters, and there appears to be a sustained propaganda effort to keep that misconception alive.

as head mod, it's really not right that you take such a opinion.

So let me get this straight...a moderator of a conspiracy forum shouldn't be allowed to call into question the integrity of the head of a government agency? Did I get that right?

You should help foster an environment where all conspiracies are welcome

The /r/conspiracy mod team is dedicated to precisely this, and we are doing everything in our power to ward off those bad actors who are attempting to prevent a healthy environment to discuss any and all conspiracies.

Mueller has long been suspected of skulduggery and all manners of malfeasance

So, instead of having real opposition like Kenneth Starr and Brett Kavanaugh when they went after Bill Clinton, Donald Trump gets a Republican cohort who agrees with DJT's policy. They speak ill of each other, but that's just for show. It's a very simple conspiracy.

right before 9/11

Right before 9-11, the people who populated the illegitimate George W. Bush administration at the highest levels were members of PNAC -- the ultimate conspiracy of our times. PNAC, in its 2000 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses," ordered more money for the military, attacks upon the Middle East including Iran, and an independent "Space Force."

Donald Trump called the Iraq invasion a "disaster," then went on to vote for GWB in 2004 because he liked the tax cuts. So much for being against war. Just give billionaires or apparent billionaires larger tax refunds and the million or more killed according to the Orb study is a fair trade off.

Many of these PNAC people and these exact policies are being carried forward by Donald Trump, as so-called establishment Republicans whine and complain but never bother to use their power to actually take action. Rather, they refuse to pass a simple bill to try to stop Donald Trump from firing the special investigator -- because they trust Donald Trump? That's unbelievably transparent.

"all of the sudden" many conspiracy theorists were assumed to be Trump supporters,

People who support TPTB when the minority party -- the party of oligarchy for over a hundred years straight -- takes monopolistic power of the government against the people -- and suspiciously so in every area -- House, Senate, White House and even Supreme Court. In a conspiracy sub, this is exactly the opposite of what is expected -- and in dire opposition to the way conspiracy boards were during GWB and during Barack Obama.

TL;DR: Donald Trump is an establishment Republican LARP, a fake outsider. TPTB are consolidating quickly and dangerously under their government of plutocrats.

Pretty much!

What does any of that have to do with what he said?

Wow, look at the downvotes. They really hate being called out on their shit.

yup!

WITCH HUNT

Stop a using your mod powers. There is never a good reason to speak officially as a mod, with your green user ID, unless it is about actions you are taking as a moderator.

You pop on your green hat and just ....talk shit. It's not about the sub, it's not about the rules. You're just talking about things you believe, that you can't prove.

Stop abusing your mod powers.

I don't believe I am.

Please show me an example of what you consider as me abusing my mod powers.

There is never a good reason to speak officially as a mod, with your green user ID, unless it is about actions you are taking as a moderator.

First of all, you really aren't in the position to dictate how the /r/conspiracy mod team should operate.

Second, I use the green modifier when speaking about actions or policies of the /r/conspiracy mod team, and I will continue to follow this policy, despite your baffling displeasure.

I don't believe I am.

Then you are alone in that.

Nobody cares about your vendetta against TMOR.

Oh yeah?

/u/axolotl_peyotl I hope you keep making these threads, let them expose themselves.

You're not fooling anybody with this rhetoric, friend!

I am a constant lurker that is tired of TMOR brigades. Its insanely obvious and I am very happy that you are pointing this out. Not doing so only makes you look complicit. Its obvious based off this post that are at least not in line with the main types of shills that invade this sub. That can only be a good thing.

AP is fine, all the regular subs here agree and you can fuck right back off to TMOR.

Why would he listen to what a TMOR troll thinks he should do? That's fucking stupid.

why is it that those complaining of a generalized right leaning bias here get massive upvotes, and yet the mod who made the thread and the regulars who post here get a ton of downvotes? seems odd, doesnt it? but hey, if you dont like something you can just make it invisible and hard to see, right?

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but those comments still exist, and your attempts at silencing what you dont like will fail.

The /r/conspiracy mod team is dedicated to precisely this, and we are doing everything in our power to ward off those bad actors who are attempting to prevent a healthy environment to discuss any and all conspiracies.

Lies.

Conspiracy "researchers". Lmao, you're a nut.

It is not beyond the pale nor is it political to suggest that a corrupt department has hired a corrupt man from a corrupt agency.

We should just get rid of this subreddit before the cancer goes stage 3. A moderator so invested in politics on a conspiracy forum is sad.

Lets just clog this shit up with trump russia and all the shit the fucking news is trying to blast in people faces lol.

This place used to have good content and users. Absolute dogshit. Will probably be banned too.

Lets just clog this shit up with trump russia and all the shit the fucking news is trying to blast in people faces lol.

you shitbags already have

Im saying this place is a shithole. Legit been lurking and posting here over 6 maybe 7 years now between accounts.

It went to shit a while ago its just so overbearing now

well... you could make your own neocon/neolib friendly conspiracy sub, or just find a new place or hobby to pass the time. nobody is forcing you to stay.

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to complain about the general attitudes of the majority of posters on this board is silly. it would be like a libertarian setting his home at latestagecapitalism and complaining about the community and trying to change the culture of that subreddit.

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funny, the lefty boards seem to be muuuuch more banhappy than places like this, and yet lefties complain about this subreddit and the people contributing to it

I love how many times this moron says left or liberal and it further proves my point.

Politics and whether you like the satanic pedos in red or blue doesnt matter.

Thats why this subreddit is trash now, lets label people with random political partys and fight amongst eachother.

Meanwhile the people who arent on our side and never will do whatever they want and fondle our neighbors children

how did your post get so many upvotes? political scandals and coverups are an essential part of the conspiracy community, and ARE actual conspiracies hatched against an unwitting populace.

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should we just never discuss propaganda 2/gladio, or the iran contra affair, or the franklin coverup? these directly relate with politics and were some of the most heinous examples of conspiracies and coverups we have.

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you are a shill, bud. dont be silly, as anybody can see it.

Lets care about all of their scandals and bullshit they will always get away with then lol. Lets talk about trump and russia i guess thats a good conspiracy by your standards?

The VVe are being played post is a real conspiracy.

for the biggest conspiracy ever

You must be new.

I disagree with you. I don't get the impression that there is a bias within his posts (at least nothing overt.)

And /u/JCase455 is now banned by /u/aleister

What has this sub become?

I only trust the mods here slightly less than TMOR. Sometimes I think both entities are compromised, and playing this contrived game of “good cop bad cop” or “hero vs villain”.

I always find it suspicious that totesmessenger is banned yet mods will manually approve it when TMOR links here.

It's all a part of the play!

A play, perfect word to describe it. Meanwhile, the goal is to confuse us all and infuse a partisan bias with this culture. It just reeks of theatre.

Yeah, its a symptom of the fact that our institutions have failed us, or that our technology has outstripped them.

Honestly, I think things are going to get better eventually... or so I hope.

mods will manually approve it when TMOR links here.

I do this to show when brigades are occurring and to highlight just how pathetically low they often stoop with their harassment.

So why is totes banned when it comes to all other subreddits?

If /r/drama or /r/subredditdrama links here (or any default sub for that matter), and I observe unusual voting patterns, I will always approve totes comments.

Sometimes small subs link here (like /r/topconspiracy) but I rarely approve those because there's no need (small subs don't generally affect vote totals).

As a /r/conspiracy regular, I'd want to know when a bunch of outside folks, often with malicious or derogatory sentiments, are affecting the vote totals in a particular thread.

Why not just let totes post here then? Why add an extra step?

Probably the shitstorm that was November 2016-March 2017

The way I see it, the more unnecessary bots we have, the more it clutters conversations and threads. Perhaps another mod can chime in here.

Why not just let totes post here then? Why add an extra step?

All part of the plan. The mods are still probably deep into whatever bullshit they got into with Flytape and Dronepuppet. They just didn't want to do it their way.

u/axolotl_peyotl will lie to you, but the real reason is because he doesn't want people to know what r/The_D and other right wing subs link to posts like this and brigade. He needs to keep that under wraps and only target subs like TMOR that highlight his obvious attempts to control the narrative in this sub, particularly to downplay any narratives about Russian interference or bad news about Donald Trump.

Be very vigilant about what goes on this sub.

but the real reason is because he doesn't want people to know what r/The_D and other right wing subs link to posts like this and brigade

That's just not true.

Clock starts now for my ban.

You guys suck at this. Your usernames always give you away. They are usually some reference to hollywood pop culture, or fake media talking points. You parrot the obvious deep state propaganda like its your job. You should all get fired for being so shitty at something so abhorrent.

You are allowed to message the moderators and ask them to allow totesmessenger on your thread.

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source: I've done it

I'm still curious why it's banned in the first place if there are so many situations where the mods are willing to approve it.

I believe it's ostensibly done to prevent brigades originating from this sub.

Believe it or not, the very existence of /r/conspiracy doesn't depend on the incessant harassment and abuse of other communities on reddit.

There usually is no need to encourage /r/conspiracy users to visit others sub en masse, lest we be accused of this very behavior.

However, when it's being hurled our way with such viciousness, it's important to show exactly who's responsible.

I think as long as you approve totes on a subjective basis you'll receive accusations of bias.

Again...if another sub is actively manipulating and brigading /r/conspiracy threads, the users here have a right to know.

Universally approves totes might lead to abuse, as I've explained elsewhere ITT.

Again: this is a discussion that we should have, and one that warrants a new thread.

I find the giant number of upvotes on this comment to be HIGHLY suspicious.

It didn't take long for this to show up in the new queue over there. I've preemptively reported the thread to the admins. I'd encourage other conspiracy users to also report these brigades at every opportunity.

Admins are 100% complicit.

Reporting to admins only shows them which posts to further censor.

Fuck it, I'd report it to the White House at this point.

My favorite is when they brigade a non-partisan post about a topic like campaign finance reform, resisting internet censorship, or returning objectivity to MSM journalism. This makes it abundantly clear that their goal is subbversion, not promoting a political ideology. Somehow, they believe that they will benefit from the replacement of democracy (rr) with oligarchy.

They come off as being paid infiltrators, who have an alibi of hiding behind a sub that is dedicated to “mocking and ridiculing”.

Oh, they also get bonuses for “converting” r/conspiracy users to joining their sub. A lot of people who are wrongfully banned here think that TMOR is sympathetic to them.

“Sorry to hear about your ban, but come join our side instead. You don’t wanna be a top mind anyway, right?”

Alinsky's 5th Rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. They are most definitely organized but, as I said, I believe their goal is subversion, which necessarily requires the censorship of truth.

Question for the entire sub, why does any mention of Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals downvoted?

Do you believe the users are misusing it or that the entire thing doesn't exist?

That "pheonix" is definitely on the payroll. And NewJerseyfreakshow is the cheapest account on reddit.

I hate to be a cunt, but none of the admins of reddit give a fuck. You are allowed to violate TOS as long as you're on their good side. SRS still exists after all these years, the first SJW subreddit I can recall gaining "mainstream" notoriety. No amount of evidence will make admins suddenly realize, "Oh hey, there are subreddits brigading people that have voices we don't approve of. Guess we should do something about it!"

But if you make ironic memes poking fun at Communism, then fuck you better watch out.

They should rename that Shithole to r/TopDumbFuckofReddit or r/TopDoucheBagsofReddit or r/TopCockSmokesofReddit

Fuckkkkkkk those pussies. One of my biggest fantasies is meeting a "Top Mind" IRL. phhhewww lawdyyy

You're reflecting their toxic, obsessive mentality back at them. That just perpetuates it. If you want to really befuddle them and leave them no avenues of attack, seek to understand and help them.

That's intentional. This is that same user who has been banned 50+ times from this subreddit already. He has a long list of alt accounts that he can activate whenever he wants to post a few toxic, divisive comments. Those mocking names he's listed are actually very similar to some of his previous usernames (/u/topdumbdicksofreddit, /u/topdouchebagsofrddit, /u/TopDickBagsOfReddit, /u/toptwatsofreddit, and many others).

I don't think they're calling themselves Top Minds. I think it's a mocking name for those they target

Ipso nomen res ipsa: The name itself is the thing itself.

Sorry. I don't speak neckbeard.

Your rulers sure do.

One of my biggest fantasies is meeting a "Top Mind" IRL

Do tell...

Muellertime soon!

lol Mueller is a corrupt as fuck deep state stooge, incredible that such a statement gets upvoted in a conspiracy forum!

Edit: OP was banned for multiple rule violations, and this was his well thought out appeal:

you are a sad, hateful and delusional broken person.

I would have downvoted (and I did after seeing it) too.

I don't like mod accounts having such opinionated and crass language. You should keep your shit posting to an alt.

corrupt as fuck

crass language?

This is the internet in 2018, friend.

Please don't deflect from the behavior of TMOR.

It's more the "lol" that bothered me.

You can express opinions but having a unique identifier will naturally draw attention.

Your comment harmed the illusion of impartiality of the sub even if you were critical of Trump as well.

If you want to callout somebody don't abuse your platform. Just use an alt, which is how most other subreddit mods do it.

You can express opinions but having a unique identifier will naturally draw attention.

I have a unique identifier, but I didn't use it in this case.

Notice how this comment is green but not the other one.

I don't need to use an alt because reddit has this function.

If I'm speaking in the capacity of a moderator, you'll know by the green M.

If I'm speaking as a user, as in the case of my comment calling Mueller a deep state stooge, I won't distinguish my comment.

It's a great system and it works just fine.

I wasn't aware of that moderator functionality. Thank you for clearing that up.

The point remains that I think most people would prefer a silent impartial moderator. People already recognize your name due to your participation.

Conspiracy theorists are inclined to be anti authority, so anything you say will have an inherent negative slant against it.

The point remains that I think most people would prefer a silent impartial moderator.

With the sheer amount of attacks leveled against /r/conspiracy and its users on a daily basis...that would be assuredly unwise.

Read the testimony of the genuine users in this thread who aren't attempt to deflect with partisan political nonsense...TMOR is harassing folks to the point that many of the genuine contributors have had enough and simply left.

When they repeatedly are brigading harmless comments to the negative hundreds--something that violates the very core ethos of this website--I would be shocked if the mods of said sub weren't extremely vocal about what was occurring.

If we said nothing we'd be accused of complacency.

I often wonder what percent of people here are traditional conspiracy theorists. Many seem to be of the political variety who love authority as long as that authority belongs to their side.

And users should be naturally distrustful if a mod supports one authority over another

Agreed. Which mod supports which authority, or are you just speaking hypothetically?

Axolotl and I dont agree on everything. But i do believe he is searching for the truth.

And Axolotl, i dont trust that Tukarrs. I have seen him commenting on multiple threads trying to get people to stop looking into certain things posted on here. Dont even dignify him with an answer. Do your thing and fuck anyone who doesnt like how you post shit.

I have a unique identifier, but I didn't use it in this case.

Notice how this comment is green but not the other one.

I don't need to use an alt because reddit has this function.

You don't need to, but it would probably be better for the subreddit as a whole if moderators kept their "usertalk" to alt user accounts and not recognizable mod accounts.

As for the topic at hand.. I think most people who would care about this already know what's going on and talking about it and making stickies only makes the problem worse, which may be what you want for all I know.

We ban users for using alts to avoid prior bans. It sets a poor example if moderators use alts.

I haven't nothing to hide, and nothing to be ashamed of.

It's not about hiding or being ashamed of anything, just from a users point of view especially in a conspiracy sub I think it would be better to have mods only enforcing rules/doing mod shit versus participating in any of the discussion.

I already assume most moderators do this, I don't see how it's a poor example or inherently bad in anyway.

The lol bothered you?

Holy fuck Bois, it's proof of the devil

It's more the "lol" that bothered me.

Isn't there an r/snowflakes sub?

You have personally banned people for much, much less than that language.

That's patently false.

Users are banned for abusing other users.

Unless Mueller is a lurker...?

That is a lie. I seem to recall you going ban crazy and banning a significant number of users in one thread simply because they are making the same claims people are making against you now - you stir the pot, rabble rouse and abuse your mod authority.

People make blanket statements like this all the time without backing it up.

Frankly, it's getting tiresome.

Who do you think was unjustly banned? Did they appeal their ban? Was their appeal rejected?

Stop regurgitating these talking points if you can't back them up.

Dont ever change man. Seriously. Keep doing what your doing.

Myself and many many other people support you

Never thought it would be so controversial to call out bullshit. Are we really supposed to like weapons of mass destruction Mueller? I feel like I’m going insane.

I feel like I’m going insane.

Don't let these voting patterns fool you. They are artificial.

This is how a brigade makes itself OBVIOUS.

Exactly. This is how you know the voting is being affected from the outside. Anybody who knows anything about the Iraq War and what led up to it should know he can’t be trusted. Does Russia have some kind of ties or Leverage with Trump? Maybe, I wouldn’t be surprised. All I know is something is fishy and I’m not going to trust the guy who helped get us into another war.

Mueller has a history of awful discriminatory practices. It makes me sad that so many on the left are idolizing him.

But, Trump also has illegal shady dealings in NYC. There's some questionable transactions relating to Russian money that I hope is investigated.

(That's not to say that Trump is the only one. I'm sure there's dozens of other rich fucks out there who act as conduits for money laundering.)

It's like a corrupt cop busting a bank thief who stole from the community.

So you don't like human mods then.

/u/fthumb of interest.

Yeah. I'm still stuck at work though. I do recall chasing a convicted sex offender (irl) who used to love posting links and callouts from /r/WayOfTheBern to Top Minds, and I gave some background to one of the TopMinds mods, who ended up banning both of us (because they wouldn't want to look unfair to the neoliberal sex offender, I suppose).

Though he did get me suspended from reddit for downvoting him in a comment, which is apparently a worse offense than running five targeted brigades a day for almost a year against us.

Shills and insecure soyboys. That's Top Minds. Their downvotes don't really make a difference, though. The genuine users here know that the vote counts usually don't mean anything in this sub. In fact, usually the downvote brigaded comments are the ones that are pointing out a truth they are paid (minimum wage) to suppress.

I'm a soyboy and proud of it ^_^

I doubt many of TMOR are actually vegan, that would imply they are acting based on perceived morality. Instead, it is pretty obvious they are acting out of a desire to maintain the status quo and enforce the opinion of the establishment as truth.

Soyboy isn't necessarily literal, it refers to femenized numales who are easily manipulated by emotion-based propaganda.

Yeah, and he's proud of that so stop kinkshaming, you bigot!

Yeah the downvoted people can never be shills

Op obsession with tmor is what tmor love . I will give you a hint online bullies love attention .they love you to fight back when they think they have you because they know there is nothing substantial you can do . Just ignore them. The more attention you give them the more trouble you will get from then. What do you think is going to happen that after one of your many post about them they will see the light and stop playing with you . Like the stupid saying they have free rent in your head

Unfortunately, they are stalking and harassing the users of this community, which I happen to represent as a moderator.

This type of behavior goes against everything reddit stands for (or used to at least).

Ignoring it is the worst possible decision.

Ban any user who breaks the rule . But going on about it public just creates more trouble. Like suicide and mass shooting publicity just makes people more aware of it and sees it happen even more . Lets says i get banned fir arguing with you and i see it as unfair what do i do. I know tmor is a place that annoys you and a place trolls go to comment on conspiracy sub . I know this because you make post almost weekly about tmor . What do you expect to gain from all these post . Why dont you do similar ones about other subs like a right leaning one that trashes anything against the president .

What do you expect to gain

With this post, a database of examples of abuse and manipulation perpetrated by TMOR.

Why not make it on all other subs that abuse and manipulate . Is tmor the only sub that is trying to manipulate or abuse this sub . How many repost do we get from the D . Everytime someone goes against this goverment we see 10 times more post attacking the person then on the actual story. These post just happen to be talking points and post from the D

Hey man, we were already told by mods months ago that t_d doesn't brigade:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/88im5f/t_d_may_be_a_sub_full_of_shitposters_but_they_do

No basis here it seems . Thank god

Don't forget that a couple users here created a subreddit called /r/correctingconspiracy. As the name implies, it was meant to link to unwanted posts here and "correct" this subreddit. It never really took off and it looks like they gave up on it after a month, but it was very obviously an attempt to brigade. One of the mods of that brigade sub has apparently been banned, one's account no longer exists, and the other is still a very active user here.

These posts bring out the brigaders, they love these threads.

It causes so many paradoxical conversations both sucking government dick whilst pretending to hate it. The worst part, I can't tell one from another anymore.

You always know its going to be a interesting read when comments are more then double the up votes

Why not make it on all other subs that abuse and manipulate

Which other subs stalk /r/conspiracy users, link to /r/conspiracy dozens of times each day, and brigade comments on our sub to the negative hundreds?

These post just happen to be talking points and post from the D

Please cite an example.

Well i know someone on conspiracy sub that post dozens a time a month (including many stickies ) about tmor sub . Which looks like a attempt to get supports to bridge or hate there sub .

And cite a example .there has been many post about them pushing talking points as conspiracy here

Lets says i get banned fir arguing with you and i see it as unfair what do i do. I know tmor is a place that annoys you and a place trolls go

Finally. I found the truth.

Ban any user who breaks the rule

What, like the admins are supposed to do? These people make a shitton of sockpuppets, we need IP bans, or I dunno, maybe nuking the subreddit they use for coordination and self-congratulatory pats on the back?

users of this community

You mean protected users, don't you?

Lol. Every time this comes up there is always the random account that barely posts in conspiracy telling us to ignore them. You know what? No. When someone calls me crazy for questioning usury they are the ones that need to be called out.

It's time to bully the bullies.

More the half my post are probably in conspiracy . In typical conspiracy sub style but as im not agreeing with you so im some random or dont belong here . Surprised you didn't call me a shill or payed poster .

So your saying the way to stop tmor doxing and bulling is to dox and bulling them back . Well done hero .continue your noble work :)

The answer to the question of tmor is using their playbook against them. Did I say something about doxxing?

Im some random so my opinion doesn't count anyway .

At least you admit it.

Gatekeeping thanks you for your hard work ;)

Bars have bouncers. What's wrong with watching the gate?

Because bouncers are arseholes . They also decide who can come in and who cant and conspiracy sub should be open to everyone not just a echo chamber picked by a few

Open to everyone? Even people just here to "make fun" of conspiracy theorists and our theories?

Harrassing should not be accepted but some things said on here should be made fun of .if you have a valid argument why worry what other say anyway

Never heard of forum sliding? If you have an argument it doesn't matter if ten shills come in and intentionally misrepresenting your words.

I think the problem here is people attacking the player not the game . They won't try and argue the conspiracy they attack the person or group ring up the conspiracy . I think the D sub is great at that . You will see 10 post on the person getting a door location wrong compared to the actual conspiracy.

so sad to see so many users and posts rush to the defense of an elitist establishment asshat receiving a lifetime appointment to take away their rights

This is a place for serious discussion. Not mockery or obfuscation.

Serious discussion is great .but a few here want to make it one sided (both sides ) and the power at the moment is obviously to the right .

To the right of what? And what does that matter? Conspiracy forums have always been right wing, gun rights and freedom of speech have always been big issues.

And nobody is censoring progressive conspiracy theorists.. I don't get it? Do you feel marginalized?

Conspiracy theory is anti government left or right . Freedom of speech is a right wing arguement . The gun lobby is one big conspiracy spread fear to sell more guns .

Error, you misspelled arguement. It's actually spelled argument. Don't mess it up again!

Conservatism is conserving, mainly in the US the ideas of the constitution.

Titles mean nothing to parties now .

Parties aren't the ideals.

Do you think civilians should have the right to arm themselves against tyranny?

What does Tyranny mean now a days

A disregard and trampling of in born rights.

Never heard of the phrase "in born rights" before . What does that mean ?

You've never read Locke?

Is that the guy from avengers :)

...

Oh. I see.

8 points for admitting ignorance, hilarious.

Op obsession with tmor is what tmor love .

I think OP's obsession with tmor might be what OP loves. s/he is constantly playing the victim card over tmor to the point that I assume s/he gets off on it or enjoys the attention.

Yep .how many post are tmor are attacking me so let me stickie a post about tmor bringing more attention to them and himself

People become conspiracy theorists for many different reasons. I know truth hunters, fighters for justice, whistle blows and human rights campaigners.

I also know narcissists, charlatans and people who just like to feel special or better than others.

I see couchumina got banned for this . A few other on here to

And just like that, the legitimate comments of TMOR brigading have been downvoted and comments defending them upvoted. Thanks for making it obvious, guys.

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I'll go on record and state that u/axolotl_peyotl is an incredible moderator and has clearly been the victim of a smear campaign. There should be more bans for people coming here to be generally negative about conspiracies, and there is nothing in his comment history to suggest truth to the radical alt-right picture they are trying to paint. And this is coming from someone (me) who thinks trump is vile.

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I have no doubt that certain members of TMOR are paid shills and the rest are being taken along for the ride.

I'll go on record and state

ok

I second his notion and also further note that you are a totally legitimate individual whose opinion matters; just like mine.

I think you are a totally legitimate individual as well.

Care to share the evidence of shilling?

It's implicit in the understanding that there is a fascist occult shadow government.

Evidence is in the numbers. Doesn't mean you are going to understand it.

Look at the number of comments marked controversial.

Controversial means an equal number of upvotes and downvotes.

An upvote to cancel every downvote.

When the whole thread is controversial, it is evidence of shenanigans.

But again, many will be quick to say "that's not evidence".

Some get it, some don't.

(And some are actual shills.)

What?

Just because something isn't as popular or accepted as you think it should be doesn't mean its shilling.

Maybe the idea's in the thread are simply unpopular ideas.

Ha, in your last comment did you accuse me of shilling?

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What?

Read my comment again. I definitely didn't think you were shilling, and wasn't accusing you, but now I'm not so sure...

Also, you clearly don't even know what a comment marked as controversial means, or the implication of ALL comments being marked controversial.

You seem like a top mind of reddit though, so kudos.

I would suggest /r/TopMindsOfReddit so you can show off your skillz (:

this is reddit, bud. it is the most insidiously manipulated and curated space online. r/conspiracy is naturally going to be targeted by skeptics and other cliques, but it has been aggravated by the current socio-political climate. of course this place is brigaded. you are not stupid and you know its true. you just dont want to admit it. look at who and what is downvoted and upvoted, particularly on hot button issues.

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frankly reddit is cancer and makes places like /pol/ seem a bastion of freedom.

Like I said, who or what is downvoted seems to reflect the current popular opinion.

Brigaded? Maybe, thats sort of how it works on online spaces like this.

I specifically responded concepts regarding "shilling", paid posters, bots.

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It's a shame...I've been subbed to this group for years and I always find u/axolotl_peyotl post insightful and in no way harassing. However, their agenda is to pummel his posts to the point where he says, fuck it, it's not worth it anymore.

Its beyond me the hypocrisy of TMOR they always find a way to excuse their actions.... if the admins. Haven't stepped in at this point they are condoning their actions and have no intention to do a damn thing about it.

I really don't understand the fascination they have with conspiracy....somehow it's seemed sjw took over TMOR and remind me of the Greenpeace whale war crew with the fat man at the helm.

u/axolotl_peyotl

I thought u/axolotl_peyotl was a female?

I have no doubt that certain members of TMOR are paid shills and the rest are being taken along for the ride.

I'm starting to think it may be deep state sympathizers trying to do their part to shut down discussion about said deep state.

It really doesn't make sense that there are so many people hell bent on "correcting" us crazy wackjobs.

We get it. They think we're nuts. They really think they are going to change our minds?

We're here because we are passionate about getting shit exposed.

Are there really an exactly equal amount of people "concerned for our mental health" enough to spend as much time as we do on here?

https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7kq00w/proof_of_targeted_harassment_by_topmindsofreddit

Here's a post I made nine months ago outlining specific harassment against myself

Search my username in top minds. They are obsessed with me. It's honestly creepy how much they post about me...

You post a lot of creepy things.

You're name yourself.

You're still a creep.

And you're a wonderful human being.

I am not human.

Oh? Reptilian thenm

I'm an angel.

If not human, must be some variety or breed of bridge troll.

Well, not to take their side but you do make this sub look bad with some of the shit you post.

Conspiracy: What if your a plant working for them ? Gasp!

Gotta keep the Normies out somehow...

By spamming alt-right talking points? Convenient, but so wrong.

So being anti communist is alt right?

if you consider everything aside from alt right to be commies, then probably :)

Gotta keep the duality division somehow...

Lol here comes the labels

you're*

They openly dox other Redditors. Imagine if this sub or TD did that. We would be shut down in a day

/controversial for what they want to silence.

For over two years, the Top Minds of Reddit has been cyberstalking, bullying, discrediting, ban evading, downvote brigading and report as spam brigading posts on the harmful effects of electromagnetic fields and radiofrequency and posts on directed energy weapons:

[WIKI] Censorship by /r/topmindsofreddit brigade

https://np.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/47z1ym/wiki_censorship_by_rtopmindsofreddit_brigade/

[WIKI] Censorship: Brigadiers who cyberstalk posters who post on EMF, infiltrate their posts, derail discussion, disinform, bully, submit a crosspost or bully in the crosspost, instigate vote brigade of the link posts and crossposts and/or report as spam brigade.

https://np.reddit.com/r/Electromagnetics/comments/4dnkum/wiki_censorship_brigadiers_who_cyberstalk_posters/

[WIKI] Censorship: /r/topmindsofreddit crossposts in their sub ridiculing TIs, cyberstalks TIs, infiltrates, derails, dominates the discussion, downvote brigades and report as spam brigades in this sub and other subs.

https://np.reddit.com/r/TargetedEnergyWeapons/comments/4by8kr/wiki_censorship_rtopmindsofreddit_crossposts_in/

[WIKI] Censorship: Brigadiers who cyberstalk posters who post on EMF, infiltrate their posts, derail discussion, disinform, bully, submit a crosspost or bully in the crosspost, instigate vote brigade of the link posts and crossposts and/or report as spam brigade.

https://np.reddit.com/r/TargetedEnergyWeapons/comments/4drkko/wiki_censorship_brigadiers_who_cyberstalk_posters/

Numerous reports to the admins of harassment, vote brigading and report as spam brigading as neither resulted in permanent bans nor restoration of my comment karma. Last year, the admins had banned alt accounts for ban evasion in /r/electromagnetics and /r/targetedenergyweapons. This year, the admins refused to ban.

Dude you're fucking part of it, if your not engaging in it through alt accounts you're stirring up a crusade against them. I swear I wouldn't even be aware of tmor if it wasn't for your bullshit.

So bringing awareness to someone or something shitty is a bad thing? They thrive on lurking in the shadows. Calling them out like the pathetic, skulking bullies they are is necessary to expose them.

No, silly wabbit... the brigading is bi-lateral attack, split along partisan line of alt-right (axelFchipoltle, RMDF, etc) and the alt-left (tmor, whathaveyou ,etc)... in other words it's TWO brigades, and they are pretending to be waging a war on our home turf, disrupting the peace and ANNOYING THE LOCALS. (Kinda like MSN, kinda no diff) The REAL problem is that reddit, who ought to sort it out but just lets it play on without an endgame... is all in favor of this double brigading of this sub, because for all extensive purposes it makes sense to them to have this specific baseline of users maintain modicum level of paranoia, which is how they desire to see the spirit of this community to continue. The OP and all those people he's attacking and all those people who rush to his defense and all those people who attack them... they are all full of the dankiest shazam you ever smelt.

No, silly wabbit... the brigading is bi-lateral attack, split along partisan line of alt-right (axelFchipoltle, RMDF, etc) and the alt-left (tmor, whathaveyou ,etc)... in other words it's TWO brigades working together. They are pretending to be waging a war on our home turf, disrupting the peace and ANNOYING THE LOCALS. (Kinda like MSN, kinda no diff here) The REAL problem is that reddit, who ought to sort it out but just lets it play on without an endgame... is all in favor of this double brigading of this sub, because for all extensive purposes it makes sense to them to have this specific baseline of users maintain modicum level of paranoia, which is how they desire to see the spirit of this community to continue. The OP and all those people he's attacking and all those people who rush to his defense and all those people who attack them, it's artificial and it's not very intrlligent... they are all full of the dankiest shazam you ever smelt.

No, silly wabbit... the brigading is bi-lateral attack, split along partisan line of alt-right (axelFchipoltle, RMDF, etc) and the alt-left (tmor, whathaveyou ,etc)... in other words it's TWO brigades working together. They are pretending to be waging a war on our home turf, disrupting the peace and ANNOYING THE LOCALS. (Kinda like MSN, kinda no diff here) The REAL problem is that reddit, twho ought to sort it out but they are aspiring to be MSM and so just lets it play on without an endgame... is all in favor of this double brigading of this sub, because for all extensive purposes it makes sense to them to have this specific baseline of users maintain modicum level of paranoia, which is how they desire to see the spirit of this community to continue. The OP and all those people he's attacking and all those people who rush to his defense and all those people who attack them, it's artificial and it's not very intrlligent... they are all full of the dankiest shazam you ever smelt.

I offer you a correction of "extensive purposes" in exchange for permission to use " dankiest shazam you ever smelt. "

So bringing awareness to someone or something shitty is a bad thing?

Isn't that exactly what this thread is accusing them off?

It exposes them but it does nothing to stop them - they make new accounts and recruit new members nonetheless. Admins are the only ones who can do anything, and they don't, so it's pretty obvious what's going on.

Removed: Rule 10

Xir,

Clear and systematic campaign of harassment against specific Reddit Users, in this case YOU, u/RMFN are being systematically targeted by the mod u/MAGA_Hatter; that is coordinated harassment via one of the MODS of TMOR...and indicates that the Subreddit TMOR actually classifies and targets individual reddit users in a coordinated campaign of intimidation, prejudice (their religious beliefs also; see his title of the OP mocking you) and harassment.

I have archived the subreddit and downloaded the zip showing your post on the front page of TMOR along with this image of TMOR with your post on it. Use all the photos here...including the one at the top to prove your case (because this is now centered around you)...

MAGA admits to targeting people for their personal beliefs, here: https://imgur.com/a/ayv7z

MAGA admits to targeting you personally in a classified and coordinated system of harassment: https://imgur.com/a/VNXVB

MAGA Archive.is file of comments showing that he had a coordinated campaign of harassment aimed at you RMFN specifically: http://archive.is/lepVA

TMOR with your clearly targeted for intimidation, prejudice and harassment OP on front page: https://imgur.com/a/hYxbr

Archive Link to TMOR page showing comments: https://file.io/cH2xW8

Archive Link to MAGA_Hatter comments: https://file.io/7xeRTO

OK kiddo...do with this what you like...you wanted a way to stop TMOR on Reddit from systematically harassing people and here it is. Let me know if you need anything. :)

The last thing I am going to do in one second is make an archive.is file of this OP and attach it here via EDIT as soon as I post this comment.

EDIT: Archive.is link to this page: http://archive.is/xSPRx

Archive Link to your OP on conspiracy: https://file.io/50Ousg

I have been dehumanized by the bigotry of /u/maga_hatter. They're intolerance to my religious and political beliefs have made me feel unsafe to freely discus my opinions. This post is to point out the fact that that kind of bigotry is allowed on reddit. I see the ideological of hatred against diverse opinions is the most important conspiracy we OK reddit have to tackle.

Here I detailed how a user would direct brigades against us from TopMinds multiple times a day, for months on end, and I could never get Reddit to do anything about it, told me to "just block him."

But when I downvoted him he was able to get me suspended from reddit for a week for "vote manipulation."

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/6jeh4l/reddit_is_broken_meta_sunday_long/

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How did he know you downvoted him?

He has a history of goading people into downvoting him, so I'm sure he regularly reports users when he sees downvotes in older of less trafficked threads.

Isn't that sub a known psy-op?

No, but it's easily confused as one because too many people these days have difficulty comprehending what a true open forum looks like any more.

Deep state sympathizers, and actual DS shills.

As if they are just people who just care about our "mental health" and just want to "correct the record".

Fuck that, they want us dead. Actually dead.

Just look for the regular triple-gilded 100+ upvoted users who come to harrass the sub in any anti-establishment post, and also their friends who come to agree with them and get heavily updated, while regular users are downvoted below zero, even rational, inoffensive comments. The birgading is obvious.

Just pick any of those posts and find the patterns.

I like the "No contest" rule that says something among the lines of "talk about the topic, not about conspiracy theories or theorists", maybe something like that should be implemented because I have this huge pet peeve of idiots coming here just to say that this sub is crazy, delusional, etc... Never even commenting on the post, just talking shit.

Also the typical idiots who keep pushing Russiagate and demand the sub to accept it j"because it's a conspiracy!"

Like Garyp mod of poetry who has never posted a poem or competed in a slam poetry battle on demand.

Oh shit, is that why I've seen you challenging him to a slam poetry battle? I thought you were just being goofy.

Now you see. Finally.

The esoteric level of my comments can very rarely be fully understood.

Magic is more than candles and worm wood.

All is ritual.

RMFN is a spell.

That is the truth must we unveil.

The demons in the well.

Tmor whom I quell.

Read my words carefully.

Do you hear my voice in your head?

Do I haunt you in your bed?

Yeah, you've got this if he ever accepts your challenge.

;D

They fear me.

I love how much you are in their heads.

I am the enemy. The enemy of received values and opinions.

That poem was so bad.

You can do better n

Since we recognize their limited bag of tricks, they serve to validate our suspicions to ourselves and others. They work for us in a weird way.

Lol, indeed. If I was their shill boss I'd fire them for doing such a terrible job!

http://archive.is/weLuR/image

"Yeah, they've got a history of this alright. Disgusting animals, the whole lot. I'd not doubt some of them are pedo sympathizers. I have zero proof for that other than the way I feel right now, also because one of them is indeed an internet creeper of sorts."

Most influential MOD of tmor dehumanizing of conspiracy theorists.

It's okay to dehumanize us pheephee? Is that what your religion teaches about "cattle" and "beasts"?

That one guy is so weird. creator of r/conspiracyii

They are uber weird.

It's because they are all knockoff versions not Evan Peter's character in the new season of American Horror Story.

All dopey ass 'realist'...they are all holdovers from when r/atheism fell apart with the whole faces of atheism debacle and have had a chip on their shoulder ever since.

You made a pretty awful error in your comment.

Perhaps you got downvoted for poor content?

Yes, this sub is well known for mass downvoting comments due to perceived factual discrepancies... ???

You're nearly a laugh.

Blaming 911 on Obama.......

You having trouble reading? The coverup of the Bush admins deeds, and extension of their emergency powers, war in afghanistan, guantanamo bay all under Obama administration yes. Obama was a witting accomplice after the fact.

If you really want to make a difference, here is my suggestion:

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I unsubbed here months ago because, in my observation, certain mods are, perhaps unwittingly, helping the brigades. There are two or three here that consistently lay the hammer down hard on actual members while allowing disrupters to keep breaking the rules. Sure, you look in the mod logs and they remove the comments, but those people just keep getting to comment away over and over. They are not being banned, while real members are getting banned for pushing back.

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So, anyway... I am unsubbed. I am not subscribed to this sub anymore. Yet, here I am able to not only comment but able to up and downvote in the threads. Stop allowing that and a significant portion of the brigading would stop. Anyone from anywhere on reddit can vote on the comments here without ever participating in the sub. Other subs prohibit this, so it can be done. It won't stop all brigading, because some people will subscribe to do it, but it will make it much harder.

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Why are people allowed to comment and vote while not being a subscriber? I know previously, the mods probably couldn't control this because the top mod was absent. But after the recent changeover, this should be possible.

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I realize one of those mods might ban me over this comment, but that's ok. I actually DO care what is happening to the community here. But consider this: Instead of banning me, disallow commenting and votes from non-subscribers and I wouldn't even be able to comment here. No need to ban to silence me. You can look in my post history. I have been a target of TMOR and have consistently called out the brigading in this sub.

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Good luck

Why are people allowed to comment and vote while not being a subscriber? I know previously, the mods probably couldn't control this because the top mod was absent. But after the recent changeover, this should be possible.

Honestly this is a huge factor in the manipulation and I actually don't think we can do anything about it.

I do hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong!

Other subs prohibit people from commenting or voting unless you are subscribed. Might need to check through settings and configurations. Obviously it is possible.

As long as users can disable our CSS, it doesn't matter and it can be bypassed.

Sort of like those who play by the Rules get penalized compared to those the Rules were made for.

As long as users can disable our CSS, it doesn't matter and it can be bypassed.

Why would you tell people how to bypass it - in a brigaded thread being watched by people with motivation to bypass it?

It's not exactly a secret.

...Because that's where I learned of its ineffectiveness.

Sucks.

Also CSS doesn’t work on mobile so mobile users would be able to comment anyways.

I think mods should moderate this place and not stir the pot with the winners over at TMOR

The pot has long since been stirred friend.

Idea: Some subreddits have a popover if you're not subscribed.

Can we make people affirm exactly one time per user that they understand that by posting certain viewpoints here, they might become the target of cyber bullying?

That might stir some things in the right direction.

That said, can we just openly start banning people who post in that subreddit unironically or in any way that isn't defending this one? I don't see any reason not to.

If you're going to stir the pot, at least scoop out the scum that rises to the top.

"winners"?

We are at 5 upvotes/124 comments. Can it get any more obvious? Where are the admins?

dr maggotbad created the sub /r/bottomspooksofreddit since I kept calling them that and redirecting that uncreated sub [r/bottomspooksofreddit](r/topmindsofreddit) to their topmind sub like that.

Parasites and useful/less idiots, 5 eyes spooks, corporate shills and the walking dead.

Politics is complete theatre, none of its fucking real. This charade is in effect because of of your allegience to any of these of these bad actors on the television program

War, pocerty, global human trafficking rings, intentional poisoning of human and animal alike, ( although I see no difference, humans are easier to train than dogs, all you need is a few vaccines, a telievision in front of them for the rest of their lives, and a building full of authority to make sure nothing is ever questioned ) all continues because we allow it.

This is going to you that have faith in any of this entirely corrupt fucking system, your votes are never gonna change this fuckin world.:

You might get your prison wall, or maybe you'll get your 72 genders for the brainwashed wild dogs, I mean that the peaceful muslim refugees to fuck in heaven after yelling allah.

But you'll never change the actual future that we will be leaving the rest of humanity.

Before you say something ignorant, about me being racist, this is a fucking religion we're talking about, all religion should be abolished, because it is all fucking corrupt.

This life is a fucking game, and not just for you and me but those in control too, the masters of puppet politicians, bloodlines that literally trace their bloodlines back 5000 years, and our history, set of lies agreed apon, literally says that they've been ruling the world since the beggining.

They make religions, nations, governments, or rather govern-mentus, control mind, they design our education system, our entertainment system, literally every system we even know now.

All because we allow it. Sad thing is, it's on literally on the zombies, they don't know any better, you're in a conspiracy forum, and you don't even know any better, like a dog, programmed to pick a side, on every team they throw at you.

Now is the time you realise, that it's all fucking bad, and really bad at that. Now is the time we redo this whole system of life, til it's perfect, we don't even have to fight anyone.

Simply Refuse the absurd or embrace the decline, right now is the time that we hang the fuck up

u/Axolotl_Peyotl I am requesting a sticky for this comment so it can be seen above the manipulation in this thread.

Best post in this sub I have ever read.

Thankyou friend, stick around sub for next few days, I got a post planned, a plan, peace and love to you and yours.

We are worth fighting for.

Sticky this comment u/JamesColesPardon.

If I could I would.

Pretty good comment though right? I remember when someone would come and talk like that over at r/C_S_T.

I 'member.

And I bet /u/axoltl_peyotl can add it to the end of his post to increase visibility with a quick ninja edit...

I agree on everything you said but would correct one thing... organized* religion

Well said, mods please sticky this

They are actively creating an imaginary enemy to continue their self created victim complex.

The mere existence of this sub assists a great deal in keeping the fantasies chugging along. If we really hated them as much as they like to imagine, we'd remove that convenient tool by just going dark. Poof! They'd then have to confront their issues, which would certainly remain and become more apparent, all without them having the option and ease of deflecting it towards this sub. They would turn on each other and likely implode quickly.

The only reason neoliberals get upvotes on this sub is because of tmor. It's painfully obvious and the mods seem incapable of removing them.

The hatesub needs it's Boogeyman, and TMOR's is the conclave.

Which lol, who here hasn't been added to a bullshit niche group after all the political nonsense?

They are actively creating an imaginary enemy to continue their self created victim complex.

..he said while creating an imaginary victim complex for himself..

Yeeze.. The hypocrisy and delusion has never been this obvious before, here at conspiracy.

Pretty non imaginary unless you're proposing that TMOR is entirely RMFN's sockpuppets.

He continually posts victim posts, way more often than I've ever seen evidence supporting his claim.

I'm a frequent conspiracy downvoter because I miss when the sub had actual conspiracies.

I don't think I'm a victim of anything.

This is just one subreddit on reddit, and on the internet, who cares you know?

Who cares you know? Not like what happens on the internet bleeds into reality or anything. Not like the internet was once a place where people could speak freely about anything and everything.

And it's just one technology in our reality, and in the matrix, who cares you know?

Well the comment I was replying too brings up a people who don't approve of /r/conspiracy have a "self created victim complex".

I'm specifically replying to that.

Maybe you read into my comment a bit but nowhere did I suggest the dialog on the internet doesn't matter.

hey, you ever heard of the finders cult? how about the franklin scandal, or dutroux affair?

Yes yes and yes

sorry i thought you were one of the "skeptics" that deny uncomfortable or upsetting realities, or worse, an outright shill.

That comment you were commenting to was a direct quote form a tmor mod lol

TMOR are paid posters

It could just be one if two people living in a 3rd world stepping in poop on their way home haha maybe IDK just speculation.

Ah fuck. Really? And here I was downvoting conspiracy idiots for free. I gotta call George Soros.

Well if you’re following and trolling “conspiracy idiots” for free, then you don’t value your own time nearly as much as you should.

Gotta do something while waiting for the train.

or you could just mind your own business and let others make up their own minds free from goofy and excessive fedora posting.

yes. and you could get paid for it like that indian american dude at that protest

I don't know how many times I'm going to say this, probably until I get banne but, axolotl_peyote is part of the TMOR problem. He has alternate accounts he uses as part of TMOR brigades and is always the first person to stir the pot about TMOR, even if there is relatively low activity from them in a particular sub. Him being the one to call the rally here is exactly the type of shit TBTP have been pulling for centuries and quite frankly should be obvious to anyone who is a regular here.

Turn on totes messenger and let us make educated decisions on the who’s and what’s hitting post here?

Would serve more purpose than all the sliding and accusations to prop ones views imo.

I foresee this getting abused quickly.

You realize that totes would be triggered by every sub that posts here.

Many small subs automatically link to /r/conspiracy on a daily basis...there would be a totes comment in almost every thread.

I could see this getting abused quickly too...anyone could start promoting their sub by simply linking to /r/conspiracy and they'd get a free link to their sub in our space.

I honestly think the policy is good as it stands, but if you'd like, feel free to start a new thread with this petition so we can have a broader discussion.

"Many small subs automatically link to /r/conspiracy on a daily basis...there would be a totes comment in almost every thread.

Doesn't seem like much of an issue.

I could see this getting abused quickly too...anyone could start promoting their sub by simply linking to /r/conspiracy and they'd get a free link to their sub in our space."

This also seems like a non-issue as they wouldn't be spamming our board; it would be contained in the designated totes comment..

Personally I'd be most concerned with users here following the np links and causing trouble in other subs, thereby possibly giving an excuse to crackdown on the sub. I'm convinced a rationale can always be found on an as needed basis if we're considered too much of a liability, though

This also seems like a non-issue as they wouldn't be spamming our board; it would be contained in the designated totes comment..

You don't see someone abusing the totes system to get their sub linked into every single /r/conspiracy thread as spam???

I suppose that's why you aren't a mod here!

Admittedly, it would be mildly annoying, but I'd view it much like the np-link bot comments or the archive bot comment that is already in every thread here. I've looked at many of those smaller conspiracy subs and the discussion in the comment section is usually lacking. I doubt many users here would do much more than quick looks.

I appreciate the time, effort, and stressful moments you and the other mods must use to keep this community running, AP, which is a big part of why I would not wish to moderate such a large and controversial sub myself.

You realize you have a lot of excuses??

I don't make unilateral decisions on behalf of the /r/conspiracy mod team and/or community.

I see no reason why we shouldn't have a broader discussion about totes...but this isn't the thread to do it, we should start a new one.

and I don't really see my explanations as "excuses"...

How many times have people started that discussion on here and other subs? 100? I'm so fucking tired of this sub being he center of anti conspiracy bullying on Reddit. It's a fucking joke, and you're worried about promoting other subs? Fixing our troll infestation is priority #1. At this point I'm not even interested in discussing potential abuse of totes messenger. I have made, in the past, at least three new threads with my ideas on fixing things but you guys are so fun shy to implement anything I'm fucking done. What are you worried about? A thread calling the mods facsists? Calling for you to step down? Downvoted brigaded? Because if you haven't noticed that's going to happen anyway. People are making a career out of trolling your sub. It's infuriating to regular users. "Feel free to make a thread petitioning for totes messenger", I mean, that just makes it all the more infuriating. Those threads have been made ad nauseum. Let's take some steps. Ban all of them. Petition the admins DAILY. Enable totes. Scratch rule 10 or make it apply to those who are only here to troll. You know the difference. Lay down the law, the worst that can happen is already an everyday ocxurance here.

I hear you and am ready to move on a number of these issues.

Thank you.

( Let it never be said that it's a thankless job :)

I've unblocked totes...we'll see how it works (or doesn't).

and let us make educated decisions

They won't do anything of the sort. They have no interest in us as users or our experience here.

We all know about their little secret conclave, we see the users who get permanently banned for 'repeated violations' or 'inciting hatred' after they post a comment disagreeing with an opinion of the mods, we see the 'regulars' who break rules repeatedly and get token bans. We see all of this bullshit and their condescending 'explanations'.

They are either:

  • Really bad at being moderators.
  • Pushing an agenda.
  • Both.

There was a post about conspiracy theories in a low traffic sub and I xposted it here. Within a minute there were dozens of jokey comments from them. Because of that I deleted the post. That's been my only dealing. I've noticed crazy scores a lot though.

jesus this place has turned in to a toxic fucking waste dump.

The invaders pushed to the top are bad, but comments like this don't help either.

deliberately.

This post was provocative on purpose

Do you wonder why?

I think you guys underestimate the impact of the leftist paid posters on Reddit (and social media in general). Reddit is owned, lock stock and barrel. Just recognize this and laugh at it, its not gonna change unless you run - and finance - your own platform.

I can’t believe this is stickied. A mod using this sub as a personal platform to sook about their comments being downvoted is such an abuse of power.

Have you considered that some people just don’t agree with you? It’s not even the content, it’s the hostile tone of it, and from a mod.

With all due respect, you have zero history on /r/conspiracy.

Why should this community care about what you have to say?

Orrrr, he could be one of the many people you wrongfully banned in the past?

I have been a member here for a couple of years. Is there some requirement to have frequent posts here in order for our opinion to be valid?

You gotta have enough zerohedge articles posted before you're respected in this community

you forgot to complain about t_d and accuse those you are replying to of posting there.

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...you shills have so much to learn...

Why are you focusing on the user instead of their argument?

Because my OP and dozens of other comments that I've written ITT answer all of his concerns. Something tells me he didn't bother to read them and is jumping on the manufactured outrage train.

Seriously man, make your complaint to Reddit admins about the brigading. If they don't do anything about it then there's little point is wasting your time on it. Everyone already knows Reddit and its admins are biased toward very clearly defined viewpoints.

make your complaint to Reddit admins about the brigading.

They know about it. We've been crying foul for years now.

Reddit appears to do the right thing only when a significant number of voices speaks up.

Please speak up.

Didn't downvote you.

Reddit is so left of center and hypocritical I don't see any point in it, TBH.

It'd be more effective to relocated to https://saidit.net or https://rabble.me or https://voat.co

But that's letting them win and it becomes an echo chamber circlejerk or nothing but cute cat videos.

You would think these TMOR jabronies would try to be somewhat subtle with their brigading... but judging by the laughably absurd voting patterns in this thread, it almost seems like TMOR wants their manipulation to be noticed.

/u/axolotl_peyotl I hope you keep making these threads, let them expose themselves. My one suggestion would be to maybe set these discussions so that the comments sort by controversial or new. Sorting by controversial will make brigaded comments rise to the top, and sorting by new bypasses brigades entirely.

Sorting by controversial

Let's give it a shot!

Because I'm banned from TopMinds, I'd like to reply to being tagged there by /u/Serial_Peacemaker here:

Anyways, my favorite post is u/FThumb complaining about how TMoR users don't get banned for vote manipulation but when he tries to manipulate votes the admins ban him.

Context:

This user was directing brigades by linking to us five, and as many as eight times a day, for months on end, as well as tagging myself and other regulars also multiple times a day, also for months on end, using derogatory title alterations, and Reddit would do nothing about it after banning his earlier account for harassment.

So I gave a small number of his comments a downvote. No link, no brigade, just a single downvote on especially egregious and slanderous comments.

A thousands links and tags from him, and I downvoted him 25 times over the course of that year. That's less than one a month. I was banned for it. Yet he wasn't.

He also bragged about inside admin knowledge. I'm sure that's unrelated.

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This conspiracy thread was heavily manipulated by this TMOR thread.

Notice the votes in the /r/conspiracy thread: many have almost 600 points which is unheard of in a thread that has zero link karma.

How do you explain the 600 upvotes?

The TMOR thread linking to it has over 4,000 upvotes.

This is one of many recent examples.

I'm reminded of when I was 14 and told to just ignore bullies.

Much like I ignore anyone that sends me a message or comments on any of my comments.

If you are actually billied as a child you would know that is impossible.

Admins are complicit

How about the obvious attack against Q

They leave you alone when you're not a drooling Trump Ann Culter. For what it's worth.

I've been brigaded many times by greatawakening and The_Donald users.

This mod would never defend me. Only defends his protected right wing propaganda accounts.

The_donald has a strict no linking policy. Its impossible for themm to brigade

And ga has been banned

That leaves just one sub

Yeah that's bullshit. TMOR only exists to troll this sub. It's a huge problem and you're part of it.

I hope OP can see your downvoted true comment and realize that this thread is already being brigaded.

TMOR is out to 100% target, derail and harass

Who are these fucking losers who hang out on the internet all day and harass people.

I wouldn't do that... unless I got paid for it. And then only 8 hours a day. https://snoopsnoo.com/

This is a very sad thread full of people crying, and this is an embarrassment for the entire conspiracy community.

And this is a comment upvoted by TuMoR

Prolly a bunch of losers from that Airforce base "addicted" to Reddit.

Here is their sticky using targeted harassment against a member of this sub.

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https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9hu3gz/did_the_op_udivesttrump_of_the_indepth_research/

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And look at the top post in the thread today..

https://np.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/9n4bxi/rconspiracy_manipulation_megathread/

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OBSESSED

Just like the playground, the littler kids are obsessed with the bigger kids. The bigger kids just wish the littler kids would go away.

I watch them closely and keeps logs of their accounts and activity.
I'd give more details but I don't want to give them any info that might result in them plugging holes.
I'll post my findings at some point in the future.
I'll just say this for now:
You're right about them stalking you and downvoting your posts & comments. You're their favorite target.
They're also here all the time now. They still brigade and do vote purchasing & botting but a huge chunk of them never even leave; they hang out here posting comments, downvoting valuable posts and upvoting garbage.

And a lot of dedicated users are always reminiscing on how good the sub used to be while simultaneously dismissing any meddling on TuMoR's behalf.

Really digging the sort by controversial being the default here. Perhaps this can be a test run for using this tactic on other future threads that get targeted for brigade?

Are you sure you're not.. Her

Keep up the good work axolotl. Your ongoing contributions on here are appreciated.

you're welcome!

There's a sticky over at r/correctingconspiracy with an image u/setterm put together and which I have the original caps of.

Shows an embarrassing slip-up where a topmind (3d irony here) replies to one of my several day old comments and his cronies then brigade the votes: Days later!

Let me find the image..

That's so awful. Why would anyone downvote posts about debunking the conspiracies about Donald Trump.

These people can't be real Americans.

Your comment makes my head hurt. Job well done, soldier (;

Trained shills are everywhere, even the market. The new way is trained shills. It is very obvious, and not only to the people here.

I hope and pray that people will be allowed to trust and be kind. There is so much to discover, if allowed.

I believe in honesty. Life is easier when one is not playing games that damage others. Let us all put an end to fakery and psychological manipulation. We are all more powerful than the fakery, and promoted divides.

Im leaving reddit I think. It has turned into toxic waste.

this sub is doomed .. so is reddit I think. manipulation is out of control

Lol that sub name, their sub description. What a fucking joke

This thread has been attacked by them aswell 50% upvoted and currently sits at 0 points

Pretty clear when you pay attention they're using scripts and multiple accounts that "pin" karma at whatever value they choose. This should be obvious to any admins watching the database logs. If anyone did it for a purpose deemed unsavory, all those accounts would be banned.

Xdr4

/r/clopmindsofreddit is some straight CIA shit. The violent and disturbing imagery is a dead give away.

Is that the pony version?

Astroturfing....So not real.

Gaslighting...so not real ;)

damn, what island have you been on since the 2016 elections and how are you surviving there?

Sarcasm my dude.

Total sarcasm :)

You got me, too many shills in here to tell

"Gaslighting's not real, you're crazy!"

Referring to my own experience, R conspiracy threads are getting downvoted when they involve subjects, the FBI, the NSA and CIA do have interest in.

For example some of my threads, where I myself experienced downvoting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/8f2ms2/is_president_donald_trump_still_under_fbi/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/90pe5o/putins_kompromat_on_trump/

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/96go23/lockheedmartin_will_finish_his_gamechanging/

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It was always like this, my thread had 20 upvotes, and within 15 minutes or they were reduced to 3 or 5.

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It is pretty obvious, who might have an interest to do so ...

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Consuli

I seem to remember a time when RES would display upvote/downvote beside the total. And then vote fuzzing came along and ruined everything. Never did get a clear explanation why that change was made.

this sub is far beyond manipulated and compromised. It's sad because i can see some of the mods have well intentions

It's the same people who used to run conspiratard, who were literally the people who were behind the Digg bury brigades what more needs to be said about them. Some of them I imagine have some sort of official ties to agencies in the relevant governments, which is why they are allowed to operate with impunity.

Is downvoting something you want to downvote "abuse"?

I just thought it was how reddit works...

-Vile Cockroach

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Check out some of my posts here with 1,000s of views and 50/50 upvote ratios. That is not natural.

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More often than not any kind of actual conspiracy theory gets attacked or dferailed before anyone has a chance to say something constructive.

They really hate this

Even the upvote-rate and the total upvotes of this thread do not seem very plausible to me, as there 425! comments already!

Consuli

you are correct.

This thread has been viewed 25k times.

Thus, this thread itself is also affected by manipulative downvoting. Quot erat demonstrandum (which was to be proven).

@ axolotl_peyotl : Just plug the holes.

If you guys stopped looking so much like Russian trolls, maybe you wouldn't have such a hard time.

They downvote new posts right away. Or someone has a script that does.

How do you distinguish between a script, and just good old fashioned normal downvotes?

Hard to tell but I post somewhat often to r/conspiracy (not so much in this handle) and it gets fishy when everything I’ve posted always gets a downvote right away. I’m talking about within seconds of posting. That’s not normal on other subs.

Considering TMOR has 100,000 members, hitting hard shouldn't automatically mean scripts.

If a post reaches their front page, it will get a lot of attention.

True. That would mean they have members who trawl through new every at all times downvoting everything indiscriminately. Whether it’s that or a script it’s pretty lame.

You really only could determine a script if you had access to the IPs or a legit timestamp between upvotes and downvotes, or some sort of realtime graph of activity. Even then, any halfway decent programmer could take measures to make said activity look legit.

Pretty much.

Which is why i'm always amazed that people are so capable of claiming that it's absolutely, definitely the bots.

People downvoting because my post is bad? Nah, it's the bots. Can't be real people.

Ha yeah. I still contend reddit is heavily manipulated, but it really is impossible to tell without logs, or seeing something blatantly obvious like a -15 in a single refresh. Oftentimes reddit will even reset downvotes as their own algorithm can tell spam scripts.

It is pretty obvious, that this thread - like many other threads in R conspiracy before - (and even the new comments in this thread) really are effected by manipulative downvoting!

Thus, we should focus on how we can deal with this situation, now! (instead of complaining about this bad situation only)

What we need to do this, is an effective counter-measure, that is within the reddit netiquette (the rules reddit has set up for participation in the reddit platform).

From my point of view the best counter-measure to neutralize manipulative downvoting would be frequent "Manipulative Down-Voting Watcher Threads", that enumerate and link the cases, where manipulative down-voting has been applied.

For good and neutral information it should be policy to mention manipulative down-voting cases in other people's threads, only, because sometime one is simply wrong and may prematurely think, that the voting may be manipulated (which is not always the case).

What do you think about this proposal?

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Maybe what we need is new sub moderated only by /u/axolotl_peyotl. Benevolant dictatorship and all that....

Doesn't sound very democratic to me (although I like axolotl_peyotl !).

What would happen to the new sub, if axolotl_peyotl would get ill or any other important reason would force him to give up the moderation?

Who said this was a democracy?

The resulting up-votes of this thread (after deducting the down-votes) is rising slowly. Maybe the TopMindsofReddit sub is running out people to downvote us. :lol:

Today have been 2.9k subsribers online in r/conspiracy versus 1.6k subscribers online in r/TopMindsofReddit .

Lol, because those were funny comments, and there is no conspiracy there. Unless maybe you're really young and don't have a whole lot of experience in the world and how it works.

Maybe you got brigaded, but I will admit that I upvoted both of the 2 top comments when I saw the post earlier today.

At least you admit it.

-5 karma. Theeeeey'ree hereeeeeeee.

Is that the guy from avengers :)

Again...if another sub is actively manipulating and brigading /r/conspiracy threads, the users here have a right to know.

Universally approves totes might lead to abuse, as I've explained elsewhere ITT.

Again: this is a discussion that we should have, and one that warrants a new thread.

Now you see. Finally.

The esoteric level of my comments can very rarely be fully understood.

Magic is more than candles and worm wood.

All is ritual.

RMFN is a spell.

That is the truth must we unveil.

The demons in the well.

Tmor whom I quell.

Read my words carefully.

Do you hear my voice in your head?

Do I haunt you in your bed?

That is a lie. I seem to recall you going ban crazy and banning a significant number of users in one thread simply because they are making the same claims people are making against you now - you stir the pot, rabble rouse and abuse your mod authority.

The only reason neoliberals get upvotes on this sub is because of tmor. It's painfully obvious and the mods seem incapable of removing them.

I second his notion and also further note that you are a totally legitimate individual whose opinion matters; just like mine.

Jesus, talk about butthurt dude. Why do you think I’m TMOR? Maybe you are, considering your hostility and attitude.

We ban users for using alts to avoid prior bans. It sets a poor example if moderators use alts.

I haven't nothing to hide, and nothing to be ashamed of.

Yes, this sub is well known for mass downvoting comments due to perceived factual discrepancies... ???

You're nearly a laugh.

But weren't we specifically told in another stickied thread to always sort by 'new'?

There close to 3k subscribers of this sub online. If they're sorting by new as they were instructed, maybe that's why stupid stuff gets downvoted right away.

Unintended consequences are a thing. Just like stickying yet another post about 'real conspiracy users' brigading this sub.

Making threads artificially sticky so they're not 'artificially' downvoted is a sure way to attract downvotes. Also, it's clearly trying to drive an invented narrative. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

The hatesub needs it's Boogeyman, and TMOR's is the conclave.

Which lol, who here hasn't been added to a bullshit niche group after all the political nonsense?

They are actively creating an imaginary enemy to continue their self created victim complex.

..he said while creating an imaginary victim complex for himself..

Yeeze.. The hypocrisy and delusion has never been this obvious before, here at conspiracy.

I'm a frequent conspiracy downvoter because I miss when the sub had actual conspiracies.

I don't think I'm a victim of anything.

This is just one subreddit on reddit, and on the internet, who cares you know?

What?

Just because something isn't as popular or accepted as you think it should be doesn't mean its shilling.

Maybe the idea's in the thread are simply unpopular ideas.

Ha, in your last comment did you accuse me of shilling?

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I'm not sure if you are joking around or that is a serious reply.

How do you distinguish between a script, and just good old fashioned normal downvotes?

hey, you ever heard of the finders cult? how about the franklin scandal, or dutroux affair?

well... you could make your own neocon/neolib friendly conspiracy sub, or just find a new place or hobby to pass the time. nobody is forcing you to stay.

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to complain about the general attitudes of the majority of posters on this board is silly. it would be like a libertarian setting his home at latestagecapitalism and complaining about the community and trying to change the culture of that subreddit.

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funny, the lefty boards seem to be muuuuch more banhappy than places like this, and yet lefties complain about this subreddit and the people contributing to it