Anyone want to talk about professional sports being (rigged/scripted)

1  2018-10-13 by graysond

There is an interesting post regarding Kylie Irving’s “horrible” play in the finals against the warriors. I’m someone who has looked into this stuff and professional sports are all like the WWE to me and they appear to have predetermined outcomes. When you see an extremely talented player just stop playing for the most part it becomes pretty apparent. I could go into more detail on the comments.

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Are injuries predetermined?

Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren’t.

Are you trying to group all separate events into one category? Your question would be better phrased with an 'all' or 'some'.

2016 nba finals were clearly rigged

See people say “rigged”, I look at the evidence and it appears to me that professional athletes are told who will win the game and they play it out as they are paid to do. This is another great example. The Seahawks losing the Super Bowl by throwing an interception when they had Marshawn Lynch running all over the other teams defense. And I’m saying this as someone who disposed that team. They threw that game because the Patriots where supposed to win.

Passing was the correct choice for the Seahawks in that situation.

It was second down with 25 seconds and 1 timeout remaining. If the hawks ran the ball and got stuffed, they would have been forced to burn their last time out, leaving them on third down with zero timeouts where they would have absolutely no choice but to pass the ball.

The 2006 SB was Bears vs. Colts

No the superbowl is always a year ahead of its corresponding regular season. bears vs colts was the culmination of the 2006 season, but it was the 2007 superbowl.

Hm, you’re comment makes me think that the Patriots won multiple Superbowls (after being caught cheating on numerous occasions) for a reason. I always found it incredibly odd.

The victorys follow the money trends.

They had at least two chances with Marshawn Lynch from one yard out. You don't play for 4th down.

If the second down pass had gone incomplete, they would have been able to run on 3rd down, use their timeout, then run on 4th down.

You think they should have just run twice? Why the hell would you limit yourself to two plays when you can have three?

Lynch can pick up one yard on two tries. You'd still have 4th down but you'd have to no huddle. Passing into a short field is dangerous. You could lose all of your downs. Look what happened to the Raiders last week, instead of running Lynch at the goal line they threw an interception.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it was the correct choice. More like a perfectly reasonable and definitely not incorrect choice.

The outcome was not ideal but passing was absolutely the correct choice.

I always felt like the regular season is left to chance. But, when finals come up, there is interference there.

Baseball in particular. World Series is manipulated to stretch it out to the full seven games, to maximize ticket sales.

Well here's to hoping they let the Brewers get theirs. 🍺

Check out this guys work on sports. The post I linked is baseball related.

I was linked to his site in 2016 — he used his calculator to predict Texas would win the NLDS. It was obvious to me from numbers on the surface — no calculator required — that Toronto would win. Toronto swept. Meanwhile ZH went on a vicious and unprovoked anti Semitic tirade against the jaysblog author who had linked to him. So check it out, sure. But that asshole is addicted to calculators because they are ambiguous.

NASCAR is the worst. The constant Green-White-Checkers finishes and all the contrived gimmicks to make sure the "young guns" are in another gimmick, The Chase. Along with practically giving Jimmie Johnson 7 Cup Championships, which is ironically, the same number of championships that Petty and Earnhardt won. He maybe a good driver but no where near #43 and #3.

NASCAR is on par with WWE.

Gotta gain a fanbase somehow

Baseball in particular. World Series is manipulated to stretch it out to the full seven games, to maximize ticket sales.

I don't know if I buy this. If this were true I would expect more than 4 out of the last 10 series to have gone to 7 games.

Yeah that argument is crap. Baseball is a game of averages. Really good teams win 6/10. It makes sense that a best of 7 would get pretty close to 7

Yep especially when you are talking about the World Series. You would expect that by the time you get to the end of the season the final two teams would be relatively evenly matched.

Bingo. And when you think about it, out of all sports, I feel like baseball is the hardest to throw. It's already such a random game.

Really. It seems to be the major sport with the most subjectivity and power given to a bunch of douchey umps that have shown to be immature and make things personal at times.

Though I agree from a players/managers prescriptive of shaving points, throwing games. Although baseball has as much of a documented history of stuff like that as any sport.

Easiest team sport to rig. You only need to bribe a pitcher/pitchers and not the whole team. Match fixing in other sports usually involves the refs.

Look up Zachary Hubbard on YouTube he talks about sports rigging with a code call Gemotria

That’s who really opened my eyes to this stuff. 👌 If you pay attention to his work long enough and think he’s full of it you might be brain dead because he hits the nail on the head.

So guys are purposely tearing their ACLs?

I didn’t say that. Injuries do happen obviously and sometimes they will fake one to take someone out for a period of time. Just like unplanned injuries can happen in the WWE...

They simply pretend to have an injury.

Briberies arent even necessary. If you say "It hurts" to the doc they have to pull you to look. If they dont see bones sticking out they have to trust your feedback.

Considering how extremely fast athletes'boujce back' from an injury its pretty damn obvious they were never injured at all. UFC does this heaps. Fighters with terrible knee or shoulder injuries somehow fighting within a couple months of said injury. Unbelievable.

bpc-157 and similar peptides can do pretty incredible stuff, healing wise.

No fake injuries most they just call “torn acl “

I was skeptic about it being true as a die hard sports fan but when i looked up huey p.newton amd the black panthers and how exactly 50 years later you had panthers vs Broncos In super bowl 50. After that predition came true I was sold. Sports are a joke to me now

I watch for “entertainment” but do so knowing it’s predetermined. I have a feeling the NBA Finals will end up being Lakers vs Celtics and it might become a normal occurrence as a re-has of the old rivalry. Bird vsMagic will become Irving vs Lebron. If you have payed attention, the commentators in the past few years have made it a point to say “Stop comparing Lebron to Jordan, he is more like Magic in the way he plays.” Hmmm....

nBA refs went to prison for fixing games

It’s supposed to be better now but who believes that

Tim Donahugh 👌 it’s a joke. There is a lot of money involved in professional sports. That’s a big reason for it being scripted.

Jack donaghys brother tim

My grandpa thinks the NBA will be the first major sport to fall, and he thinks soon.

My money is on the NFL. Too much involvement in politics is going to make Soccer America's #1 sport in ten years.

The irony of this and FIFA running soccer worldwide

Ill bet not, America wont pick up a sport that other countries are better at. Ill be Esports get picked up before soccer. And that seems even more rig-able.

I think the refs/umpires are instructed by the networks and MLB/NFL/NBA to extend games...how many amazing comebacks do we see in playoffs/championship games? Fucking ridiculous!!!

The refs/umps can get away with this in a ton of ways--calling penalties (many of which could be called on any play of a football game) is one of the ways they do this. The momentum of a game can be shifted by doing this at opportune moments in the game.

I really wouldn't doubt if umps/refs get a briefing before each game--they know what to do to extend a series or cut a lead (don't want a lobsided game--bad ratings)...

Heard a rumor long ago that the Manning boys were caught walking around with millions in briefcases before their pro careers.

Thats what I like about the nhl. Still not big enough to be fixed. Refereeing is usually really good minus a few missed calls here and there but generally things rarely come off as fishy

I do love watching hockey but it could be. I think they are the least controlled of pro sports but if it’s on tv NBC ABC ESPN there’s some bullshit involved.

Still not big enough to be fixed.

I disagree with that notion. Not that hockey is too small to be fixed, but that bigger leagues are much harder to fix. There is way too much money already involved for people to risk it. Owners aren't going to go along with it because it could cost them hundreds of millions of dollars. Players are getting paid way more than they could make doing something else. It's much smaller leagues where you see fixing going. Smaller soccer leagues, lower division college games. Even e-sports has had problems with match fixing.

I don’t think this happens yet but in esports like league of legends you could just tweak someone’s crit chance slightly

You do have to consider that an athlete can lose his prime even when he is young (ie. Tyson lost it in his 30's, and so did Roy Jones after getting brutally knocked out by Tarver), and that could play a role in out-of-character performances. In combat sports you will see a lot of newer/casual fans that can't understand that, and will claim a fight was fixed (ie. Ronda Rousey, or Anderson Silva losing), when a fighter under-performs. Watching combat sports actually takes some skill, so I understand that casual fans have a limited understanding of what they are looking at (I was new to these sports at one time also, obviously). But yeah, an athlete still has the ability to take a dive.

It's all rigged/easily manipulated. Browns game 2 weeks ago is a prime example. Refs literally snatched a W with a ridiculous call reversal which would have ended the game. Cavs-Warriors Game 1 at the end is another blatant one.

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You know, human error could be easily reduced in a lot of these pro sports, especially with the tech available now. Take the umps out of baseball. GPS chips in the football. Etc etc. I think the reason they don't do this is so they can exert influence. It only takes one blown call to change the outcome of a game.

A see a Cleveland fan. It’s all good. Hold on to what you need lol

It's not all sports and it's not all the players in the sports that are. Some are more blatantly corrupt than others, like Olympic boxing. There are certainly players on the take, same with some officials etc. I don't think the outcomes are completely fixed as you you would need everybody in every team all on the same page. What can be done with minimal risk is to alter the likelihood of an outcome. That's very easily achieved by having just a single player having an 'off' day. There is a scandal like that most years in cricket for example.

If you hopped on that Warriors betting train in 2014-2015 you could have made a lot of money.

No one was prepared for what that team was capable of.. especially Vegas

I wouldnt say scripted but more rigged by individuals. So much money in gambling now a days .tennis and cricket is the worse . You can bet on a play happening in one 5min gap like a over in cricket or first set in tennis so you can still win a match but throw something to win cash

Have you heard about the meat pie controversy?

Basically in a forgone conclusion soccer match one team had an overweight coach also on the roster as a backup quarterback. A series of jokes about his weight led to odds being placed on him eating a meat pie during the game. He ate a meat pie at halftime and was brought up on charges for influencing betting.

In australia there is one journo that is on every election telecast and also when there is a big breaking political story. He wears a different tie every day . So last election a betting agency took bets on what tie he would wear out of 4 colours. Someone told him so he changed ties 4 ties and they had to pay out to everyone who bet on it

2 NFL owners (Kraft / Jones) have a stake in draftkings, a website that allows sports betting on games...so looks pretty suspect or at least a conflict of interest.

Yeah. Why do you think a team was just put in Vegas?

You don't/can't bet on games on draftkings. It's fantasy sports. There's money being made but not on teams wins/loses.

Not true anymore. They run a sportsbook now at least in New Jersey.

Both of the last 2 Triple Crowns were rigged. This year's involved a horse most would prefer not even be HOY at this point.

Watch the superbowl where they cut power. One team is far ahead in skill, then power goes out, after the 40 min break they tone it down a ton, and the other team does not get much better. super cheezy, that killed football for me.

Almost every other sports league in the world has had some sort of match fixing scandal so don't sit here and tell me that the US hasn't

ALL professional sport is rigged, and always has been. It's all entertainment, gambling and big money. Who wins and who loses is pre-decided. We have leaked docs from the Italian football league that show the entire game is scripted like wrestling. Even high school level sports are rife with drugs and prostitution from betting rackets.

with stud fees in the 6 figures or higher, I wonder if horse cloning is a reality yet in professional horse racing. I don't follow the sport, but could a super fan just look at a horse and tell it looks exactly like some triple crown winner from a decade ago?

i don't watch sports anymore, no one involved really cares who wins. as long as the revenue keeps coming in is all that matters.

i'm sure they script somethings to keep it exciting for the dopes who watch it still, i would not be surprised if organized crime was involved regarding the betting side of it too. wherever there is that much money there will always be corruption.

i regret falling for it for so long though i used to be a big sports fan. sad really... i should of been playing not watching.

I M O Other than most team sports being kinda boring.

This is one of the reasons I love r/motogp And American flattrack racing.

I'm sure it happens..

But to find a top level guy willing to not try and win would be rare.

It's like dancing with a small angry bear At 200 mph an hour. They already have speed, physics & mechanisms fighting them.. To ask to throw a race is really not necessary.

I love watching skateboarding. Dew tour, x games etc. Those are actually 100% legit. I mean you could make an argument about judge scores I guess but the whole nature of it is authentic.

You make a great point. Thank you.

I too love skateboarding & BMX freestyle competition.

Pretty sure it's because I'm an only child so I never developed that "sibling competitiveness". And I regret it some days....but Damn I love a good motorcycle race.

With the NFL specifically, I can see it.

It's one of the few sports that A: has a penalty (holding, by the books) being committed on every single play and B) half of the fans watching Want that penalty called.

This amounts to the refs literally being able to call any play back they want, without it being extremely obvious.

You can't willy nilly call a homerun back, it has to at least be close.

You can't randomly call walking on a game winning layup, even opposing fans will hate the call.

You can call back any touchdown you want with a holding call, and it would be legit, and welcomed by half the fans.

Yes. In football offsides can literally be called each snap. If the team didn’t get the first down and was supposed to all they have to do is call holding. Same goes for touchdowns like you said.

If money is involved its a scam

I do love watching hockey but it could be. I think they are the least controlled of pro sports but if it’s on tv NBC ABC ESPN there’s some bullshit involved.

Still not big enough to be fixed.

I disagree with that notion. Not that hockey is too small to be fixed, but that bigger leagues are much harder to fix. There is way too much money already involved for people to risk it. Owners aren't going to go along with it because it could cost them hundreds of millions of dollars. Players are getting paid way more than they could make doing something else. It's much smaller leagues where you see fixing going. Smaller soccer leagues, lower division college games. Even e-sports has had problems with match fixing.

In australia there is one journo that is on every election telecast and also when there is a big breaking political story. He wears a different tie every day . So last election a betting agency took bets on what tie he would wear out of 4 colours. Someone told him so he changed ties 4 ties and they had to pay out to everyone who bet on it