Trump had claimed the 2016 election was going to be rigged HRC when asked if he would accept an election loss. Rigged, but only if he lost.

This just makes me laugh. It was so clear Trump didn't expect to win when he was making these excuses in the run up to polling day.

Notice he never said how it was rigged or who was doing the rigging. Clearly they didn't do a very good job of it since he managed to win an election rigged against him.

The whole thing is too funny.

I know, his demeanour right up to the election day fiasco was "RIGGED," "FIXED!!!"

He bought the same narrative that the MSM was pushing.

Or maybe the election was rigged in his favour because "The Establishment" wanted to have total control over him then watch him fail #tinfoilhat #wtf

He did though. Funny thing was he specifically said the left are colluding with Russia and he left called those claims outlandish and impossible and he was ridiculed for saying it and literally overnight the left went from "impossible for Russians to be involved" to "OMG IT WAS THE RUSSIANS" and the whole world noticed except for the American left. I can't trust Trump but I have been a supporter but the idiocy of the left is what gave Trump his popularity worldwide. You might think people forget but we don't, we remember every little lie and every bullshit story that was told during the elections. Both sides were at it but it's the left that have this playground tactic of "I know you are but what am I?" Style arguments and it's always the left that turn what they are being accused of into their own accusation. Also the left absolutely love to take obvious satire and take it seriously in an attempt to discredit Trump supporters. These actions to anyone on the fence are pushing people away from the left because it's transparent as fuck. Maybe if the left spent more time working on policies and less time one smear campaigns you'd have a leftist president right now but they were too busy throwing insults and accusations that they lost the war. I think that's what hurts the left the most, the fact they did this to themselves and it's why they are hysterical now.

Inb4 ur mad bro and various other insults that amount to nothing more then "u idiot"

When you say "He did though." do you mean he expected to win? I respectfully disagree.

Chris Wallace: I spoke to President-elect Trump in an interview I did with him in December, a month later, and he said that going into election night, and after his people had read the exit polls, they thought he was going to lose, too. He thought he was going to lose. That was just the accepted wisdom.

No, he never thought he was going to win. I mean he did specify who the left were colluding with to rig the elections and he always said Russia then the left went from "russian collusion is impossible" to "it's definitely the Russians".

Oh right, I see what you mean now. So how is "colluding with Russia" the same thing as rigging the elections?

I suppose what I'm asking in a single sentence is: in what sense were these elections rigged according to Trump before the polling day?

A vague "colluding with Russia" doesn't mean much. They were colluding with Russia to try to win the election? Maybe with bots commenting online or what have you? Not the same as rigging it. Rigging an election means fixing the outcome.

So, since Trump claimed the election was rigged against him, and then went on to win, clearly the election was not rigged. Or any attempt to rig it failed to work.

Well being as the left claim Trump is in power due to colluding with Russia we should ask them how they achieved this.

As you say, rigging an election means fixing the outcome which can be achieved a number of ways (see brexit where the public were manipulated by the media into voting out) the largest smear campaign ever launched against any man would probably help with that, the problem was everyone saw the lie and voted accordingly.

I'm not sure what you mean, political campaigning, no matter how dishonest, is not election rigging.

I dunno how it relates to these vague claims Russia was involved somehow somewhere "they leaked the emails" or whatever. None of that is election fixing.

I would go as far to say the election wasn't fixed and Trump was getting a pre-emptive "I lost because the powers that be wouldn't let me win and fixed it" because he expected to lose. Trump had no evidence the election was fixed, because it wasn't, he was making shit up. That is why it is so funny going back to my original comment, because then he went and won!

So then how has Trump colluded with Russia?

I'll respectively disagree, if I were him and seeing how the media were slamming me for anything and everything is think I was going to lose too.

What are you talking about? I never said Trump colluded with Russia. I struggle to see how Russia were involved at all. YOU are the one who brought up Russia.

I'm saying, very simply:

Trump started talking about voter fraud and saying he thinks the election is rigged, in the run up to election day.

Then he actually won the election, meaning it wasn't rigged and everything he'd been saying was clearly not true.

But what you are saying is grossly oversimplified. "Trump won and this proves it wasn't rigged" is straight up silly and I won't be dragged down by this low energy thinking. If you continue down that path I'll just stop responding because it's typical Reddit fodder crap.

It's the left constantly barking russian collusion which is apparently ok, but once trump throws it back it's suddenly ridiculous? That makes no sense. Just because it didn't work doesn't mean there wasn't an attempt but I shouldn't need to say that because that in itself is obvious to anyone who actually matters.

"Trump won and this proves it wasn't rigged"

Well, it certainly proves that the outcome wasn't fixed. Could there have been some electoral fraud, against Trump, and Trump won anyway because that electoral fraud wasn't enough to tip it in HRCs favour? Yeah, I'd concede that point as something that is at least possible. Shame I had to make the point for you though.

Speaking of fixed elections and Russia, Russia actually do have fixed elections. The latest presedential election in Russia went like this:

Main real opponent: Alexei Navalny, convicted of a crime and not allowed to run. Other opponents: Selected by the Kremlin to give the appearance of opposition, fakes. Russian media: Under the control of the Kremlin, they fabricate the narrative that a democratic election is taking place.

That's funny too, because Putin is really popular in Russia and would win the election anyway!

Actually there is quite a bit of evidence that the election was fixed in Hillary's favor, but she still managed to lose because she was that un-electable.

Some 8 million votes harvested from the voting registry using online 3rd party records and other government identification data were cast in Hillary's favor. Look into "Catalist" and "deadwood" accounts. They had the will and the means to do it.

He had no idea the TPTB would chose him? I think HRC was never the choice of the Hidden handlers. Trump was their man. This was the conspiracy we forgot about.

Lol. Smh.

Trump had claimed the 2016 election was going to be rigged for HRC when asked if he would accept an election loss. Rigged, but only if he lost.

False. On a few levels. The question was

Will you accept the results of the election?

And he said:

If she wins, I will absolutely support it.

Meanwhile the candidate who lost sent her campaign chair out for her concession speech, and has been bitching about the election results and blaming everyone from Jim Comey to Vladimir Putin for her shitty campaign.

Trump says "Election Rigged"

This is just one of many articles that quote Trump one month before the election. You either have a short memory JamesColePardon, or you are speaking without knowledge.

This going to be very difficult for you to reconcile considering the link you tried using to refute me.

More 'Rigged election' talk from Trump

Talking out of both sides of your mouth doesn't discount what has been previously said. Trump talked 'rigged election' during rallies and only said he would accept it during a national debate. He's been preaching to a choir of people who will deny reality for 'the truth.'

All of them?

Generally, the idea that politics is theater

Absolutely this! The biggest irony is that when trump took the white house people started taking politics seriously. It's all a show.

I think you do a disservice to Days of our Lives and other cheesy soaps, this stuff is more like TLC reality TV.

For one, Trump was supposed to blow the lid off 9/11 because he was "one of us" and... well...

Maybe he knows he’ll get JFK’d. Maybe he wants to address other things before that?

Nah, he’s just a convenient conspiracy theorist. He makes them up (birtherism) when they suit him, but he has no real interest in finding out the truth. He doesn’t believe in truth and is the king of mis/disinformation.

It’s fucking tragic to watch the same people who claim to be all about vigilance and rooting out government lies have swallowed this kool-aid hook line and sinker (mixing metaphors I know)

He makes them up (birtherism) when they suit him, but he has no real interest in finding out the truth.

I believe that's called a liar. A bullshitter. A con-artist.

Yeah, pretty much.

We need to grow the database of comments lest people catch on. /npc

Birtherism is a legit inquiry

I voted for O twice, but I'm also convinced the birth certificate we were shown was a very sloppy forgery

Investigate O's mother, who was CIA, and his grandmother, who was also CIA, ran the Bank of Hawaii as Pacific rim money laundering network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_Dunham

Why would you forge a document when the mother is an American?

That makes no damn sense

A certain political side really hates Obama.

Indeed. They hate Obama. We must continue to #resist to emphasize our superiority!

I don't really have anything worthwhile to contribute to comment on the topic at hand, just can't pass up an opportunity to trash drumpf! /npc2

Oh my god and you tried it again in the same thread! How desperate!

I don't really want to comment on the topic at hand, just can't pass up an opportunity to trash drumpf! /npc

omg, someone unironically trying to make npc a thing. It would be cute if it weren’t so tragic.

There's a bill in the house right now that would release more documents....

Source?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-resolution/610/text

So no? Looks like Bernie Sanders co signed it though.

Yep, that's a pretty big one. Also the Kennedy information that he loved to tease.

None of them. All conspiracies are mainstream now.

Your post could have just asked the question: What conspiracies have fallen off the radar after the 2016 election.

Polarization stuff has always been going on. I don't mean to bash OP, but this post has no meat on it at all, other than a veiled attack at the president using language they'll just refute as otherwise, while throwing the readers a bone: what conspiracies get more attention now?? I'll grab my coat since it's a mod were talking about.

Well, the fact that Bill Clinton is a rapist seems to have eluded the #MeToo movement.

I hope this is fucking bait

Bait? The allegations against Clinton are far more concrete than anything they fabricated against Kavanaugh, yet the left still loves Bill.

so in your opinion the me to movements is as important as the IMF or the Fed?

so in your opinion the me to movements is as important as the IMF or the Fed?

My opinion is that people who attempt to use straw man fallacies are feebleminfed.

At the very least the fact that a forced blowjob happened was never disproved.

They were investigated for over a decade...there was nothing concrete found besides a consensual affair.

Lets put Trump and Kavanaugh under that level of scrutiny a d see what comes up.

This. Not saying Clinton is an angel, but just like Kavanaugh, if you can’t produce evidence or sufficient eye witness testimony that someone was sexually assaulted, it’s hard to jump to that conclusion.

I haven't seen a whole lot of "Obama is the AntiChrist" since Trump took office. Seems they have been replaced with "Trump is a reincarnation of Darius".

Define antichrist

Antichrist: anything that is not for Christ

Therefore, if you are not for Christ, you are, by definition, an antiChrist

Obama didn't really appear more anti-Christ than any other president. Probably closer to Christ on the spectrum because of the whole trying to heal the sick thing than the current guy.

Hands down the funniest comment I have ever seen in this sub and I have seen flat earth submissions. 10/10.

Darius? The Great? Haven't heard that one, laughing ass off.

Maybe not gone away, but certainly less focused, the MIC.

Totally not related to this thread, but I love seeing posts from you because I like your little Apple Flair! 🍎

Pizzagate, The Boston Bombing, DNC rigging of the primary, Awan Brothers, 9/11,...

1 of those a ridiculous fantasy. 1 of those debunked. 2 of those we definitely know something is fishy, but don’t have the full story yet. 1 of those fact.

Can you guess which? :)

Qanon took a pretty big hit when Reddit banned thegreatawakening. Still progressing, but it isn't creeping into mainstream like it was when the subforum broke 50k subscribers.

Qanon really unsettles me, I'm not sure weather to believe or not but it's still impacting how people will vote in the years to come. It needs to be debunked hard rather than just discredited and ignored.

I followed Q for a while and I'll preface this by saying I'm no expert but it looks to me as if Q really does know his shit, as in he is someone close to Trump. This to the GA community was evidence of what Q was saying is right, to me the opposite was true.

I think Q is Trump or at least someone with direct access to Trump and what is dangerous about this is Q and Trump are the polar opposite of this sub and any conspiracy theorist for that matter and if you don't know why that is then welcome because you are new here. It can't be debunked because Q is legit, as in Q is someone close to Trump.

Someone close to Trump. If you have any sense whatsoever alarm bells are ringing right now, what could the American government (whose reputation is nothing but nepotism and greed) stand to gain from "leaking" classified information to the public? Can you find any reason other then manipulation because if you can you are way less cynical then I am and I commend you.

I am absolutely certain Q is 100% real and that terrifies me. Looks like they learned fast, faster then we give them credit for.

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I’ve seen support for martial law as long as trump imposes it here in this sub

The fact that almost nothing changes regardless of who gets elected.

We have the tools to change the world

When electric motors came along and allowed factories to be built with infinite axis, as opposed to a single main axis (water wheel, prime mover), it took industrial engineers about 60 years to start building factories with infinite axis design

When Europeans first came to New World, they used wood as primary fuel source, butchering forests

When coal became available, it still took about 60 years for Americans to abandon wood fuel for coal fuel

When Natural Gas became available, it took about 60 years for Americans to abandon coal for Natural Gas

Your cook stove and forced air furnace are probably natural gas

So you prolly notice the pattern of it taking 60 years after an idea is available, until people start to adopt it en mass

The mobile phone might be an example of this too. When did cordless phones come out?

So now we have had the internet since about 1993 ???

So, 25 years of internet, not even half way until we realize it's full potential en mass

But what happens when we finally realize it's potential?

Many old institutions would be obsolete

People can create new forms of governments, contracts, banking, etc

Interesting idea but ultimately I think there's a law of rising returns for new ideas to spread since it's easier for them to spread.

Well peace with North Korea is a big one that tends to get ignored. Also the fact that ISIS is pretty much defeated. Trump has definitely been luckier than obama with those two issues. It looks like Syria will remain intact and not have to go through the turbulence experienced in Iraq after America decided to liberate it, which means US troops and US money won’t continue to get sucked into void. On top of that trump has managed to renegotiate some fairly lopsided trade deals that were awful for America, and he’s standing firm against China and their IP theft. So if you look closely heaps of things are changing

T R U E. It's hard to keep perspective, most of our memories aren't that great, but it seems this shook folk up and reminded folk of the untruth that "anyone can get elected" in a 'democratic' country like America. Meantime those who don't like Trump's non-political background are busy getting triggered over the latest Twitter message he sent out.

Trump is a great president (wait don't tune me out yet). He's distracting everyone from the real issues with his zesty speeches and intrigues.

Unpopular opinion, but I feel Trump would have told us now if aliens exist.

That's not to say I don't believe in aliens, I just don't think we have found any yet.

Obviously warrantless wiretapping, the Patriot Act, torture, and Guantanamo because Kavanaugh was behind all of that and it was all whitewashed behind #metoo

I think those have been forgotten issues even before the elections, which is sad.

I don't think Black Sites (which is what Guantanamo serves as distraction for and the much more prevalent human rights abuse) nor the Patriot Act have been discussed much since Bush presidency.

That Obama was a secret Muslim. That Obama wasn't born here.

That the US government was plotting to keep Obama in power. Jade Helm and secret detention camps in Walmarts are bad... Despite the fact that it's come to light that there ARE detention camps being crafted out of abandoned walmarts, children are being kidnapped and placed in them and many of them are "disappearing" and/or being trafficked/raped. And many people who are LEGAL residents and US CITIZENS are being netted in this growing government law enforcement entity ... WITH the federal government's blessing.

Lol why is it the party of small govt. Always expands the fuck out of government, and almost always chooses to expand the fuck out of the part of government that specifically comes after your liberty and freedom (law enforcement)?

Can you cite any real evidence for any of the claims you just made?

You need me to cite the fact that children are being taken from their parents, that abandoned Walmarts are being turned into immigration detention centers due to the need for more cells and that many children have gone "dark" (unaccounted for, missing, dead, abused)?

Have you been living under a rock???? It's been in all the news

Totally aware of the Walmarts that have been turned into immigration centers. Also aware that immigrant children who are caught crossing the border are being placed in them.

Have yet to see any evidence that kids are being ‘kidnapped’ and placed there.

Nor for any of the other mentioned theories.

Sorry, just trying to be honest here.

What do you call taking a person's child and not returning them?

What is it called when you separate a child, move them across the country, deport the parent and lose the kid?

.... It's called kidnapping. Just because the government does it doesn't make it ok. If you're going to argue that they were separated as a result of detention, then they should have been returned once that detention ended.

What do you call taking a person's child and not returning them?

The normal process for going to jail in any country. Try pulling it somewhere in Central America.

What is it called when you separate a child, move them across the country, deport the parent and lose the kid? Just because the government does it doesn't make it ok.

The Government didn't do it, you did. You forced yourself into a broken system because some NGO lied to you for their own political gain.

The normal process for going to jail in any country. Try pulling it somewhere in Central America.

I'm Central American. Usually the process is to... Uhh... Send you back. Same as any other country.

The Government didn't do it, you did.

Lmao another neo-con coming to the rescue!

Until we have on the spot DNA tests, children will need to be separated from the accompanying adult while the border police work out which kids are being trafficked. The separations happen when people are caught attempting to cross illegally rather than presenting themselves at a checkpoint, from what I remember. If a person takes 4 kids across the border illegally there is no record whatsoever of these kids being in America and they can disappear at the drop of hat and no one will come looking. Separating the kids sounds awful, but sadly I suspect a huge number are trafficking victims and every precaution should be taken.

Or.... We can just go back to ticketing them and letting them go .... You know, cuz it's a MISDEMEANOR.

You need me to cite the fact that children are being taken from their parents, that abandoned Walmarts are being turned into immigration detention centers due to the need for more cells and that many children have gone "dark" (unaccounted for, missing, dead, abused)?

Have you been living under a rock???? It's been in all the news

"Casa Padre now houses more than 1,400 immigrant boys in federal custody. While most are teenagers who entered the United States alone"

Somehow I doubt you have any interest in explaining how you would handle this situation were it your actual responsibilty.

You have "mostly" unaccompanied children being sent to the border (per your source), which of course you helpfully glossed over to try and make a political point.

Those that are accompanied have an extremely good chance of being part of human trafficking. Those illegal immigrants that are separated and somehow "disappear" into this country. It's either because they are being trafficked (which if you believe the people in the border patrol aren't trying to stop then your world view is too twisted to correct), or those that most desire to have the children their custody (the family).

This is happening now and the GOP controls every branch of govt.

While helpfully glossing over the "resistance" of the past two years which has worked against every single initiative, even those that would have secured the future of the DACA kids, all for political gamesmanship.

Nice strawman though, man.

which if you believe the people in the border patrol aren't trying to stop then your world view is too twisted to correct

Hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahha

Go back to r/statist or r/the_donald

There is a sizeable demographic of boomers of which the only thing they love more than individual liberty is watching liberties taken away from others. As long as they don’t perceive themselves to be the victim, they have no problem with infringement of rights or privacy

Well said!

Because Neo-Cons are not small government and they have a stranglehold on the Republican party.

Any attempt to break away from that is shattered harder than occupy wall street, Libertarians and others dream of a break from this cyclical corporate two party system.

who was the 9/11 manager for NY.

I hate the term "dog whistle", but Trump dog whistled the fuck out of conspiracy theorists.

Zika, I have not heard a word about the supposed deadly Zika virus from any government agency or official since Mr. Trump took office.

When you say "He did though." do you mean he expected to win? I respectfully disagree.

Chris Wallace: I spoke to President-elect Trump in an interview I did with him in December, a month later, and he said that going into election night, and after his people had read the exit polls, they thought he was going to lose, too. He thought he was going to lose. That was just the accepted wisdom.

I think you do a disservice to Days of our Lives and other cheesy soaps, this stuff is more like TLC reality TV.

More 'Rigged election' talk from Trump