I was just recently diagnosed (they think I’ve had it for 8-10 years, not sure why my family doctor never ordered a test in that time). However I’m on the standard medication. I figure they fixed me and made me able to eat again (my esophagus was so torn up from infection that I couldn’t swallow without feeling like my chest was tearing open) so I might as well trust them.
thank you, i have never had the chance to hear from a patient perspective first hand before. i hope you get well soon. also, i believe (which is not to know...) that the association of the treatments and a personalized care would be the best alternative.
Have you watched the other documentary, House of Numbers? It has 3 parts in total.
It kinda blew my mind! The lady in the final part just refused to say for certain that the Virus exists, apparently some very questionable science is involved.
I wonder if you have someone diagnosed with AIDS if they experience the same decrease in condition if they DONT take the medications prescribed. Like what is the AIDS/HIV test flagging as a positive? It and cancer have worked as big scary words, like communist.
There is no evidence that anyone with HIV will get aids.
Also you can have aids without having hiv. You can also have aids for literally a few days - since aids is the measurement of immune system cells in your body - if you’re sick enough. You can have aids.
The tests are coming back as positive based on the work of Robert Gallo. His test gives positive for things like heptatitus and pregnancy. Robert Gallo’s work is extremely shoddy.
Thanks, I’m pretty bad at Googling apparently lol. Will check out your other links/info on my next break. My roommate is a librarian actually so I can catch a ride with them one day this week
They healed the fungus in my esophagus and the (pneumonia) that was causing craters in my lungs, to be clear this was with antibiotics.
The HIV medication, Biktarvy it’s called. Idk if it works but I had a bad skin infection for a year and a month after taking these pills it is mostly gone- I thought it was the antibiotics but the doctor thinks it is the Biktarvy raising my T-cell (I think that’s the right term) count.
Idk what other kind of proof you’re looking for but I’m willing to try to provide it if you’d like.
You in Canada? You’re taking an unapproved hiv medicine. Is this an ad?
Your doctor is beyond ignorant if he thinks the medicine is helping raise ur T cell count. That medicine is a combination of several and one of them - specifically tenofvoir - has been shown to decrease T cell count by turning off the receptor that tells your body you need more T cells. So - it doesn’t do anything.
there are two reasonable ways to manage this while the 3rd is extreme.
Take hiv antibody tests until it says negative. Then stop taking the test for good.
Take the medicine until your numbers level out then discontinue. It’s up to you if you want to tell your doctor you’re discontinuing. From my research it seems like a crap shoot. Some people say their doctor is fine while others say their doctor attempts to have them held on a 5150.
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Did u have any symptoms over those 8 to 10 years that would have indicated you were infected? Or did you suddenly get sick and they decided to test you?
I never had any noticeable symptoms until ~1 year ago when I developed a skin infection on my arms/chest/legs, I’d never had anything like it before- it was kind of like bad acne.
A few months after that I developed a cough, but it wasn’t too debilitating. I ended up seeing my doctor in the spring and he gave me antibiotics and cream, which didn’t really work. So I think it slowly built up over the last year or so and then at around the end of July I got really sick. The pain when swallowing even my own saliva was unbearable. After a few weeks using ibuprofen to calm the pain so I could eat/drink (worked about half the time), I ended up in the ER at 2AM and stayed in the hospital for a week. Never thought it would be AIDS. I still am curious how I got it because 8-10 years ago I was only having sex with one person and she wasn’t a slut or anything so I’d be surprised if she had it at that time. I may have got it at my workplace during those years but I’d have to have been pretty unlucky (I can elaborate if people want).
If the doctors are wrong and I got it more recently then I’m less shocked, but your “immune cells” (T-cells I think) are supposed to be in the range of 500-2000 and mine we’re at 4. I thought they were using a different scale when they told me my count lol.
Just wanted to add: I said there were no symptoms but actually I was a straight A student my whole life until I was about 16-17 (so 8-9 years ago, right when they think I contracted it) when I suddenly stopped caring about anything. I dropped out of school the last couple months of junior year. I finished senior year with like Cs and a few Bs. I actually had one like failing grade F that would have kept me from graduating but I guess my teacher liked me because when I told him he bumped it up enough so I could graduate. My adult life has been mostly a steady spiral downwards, trips to jail, homelessness, joblessness, etc.
I wonder if it is the HIV that changed me like that, as from what I understand it can affect the brain.
Seems like it is irresponsible to rule out Disaster Capitalism type Shock Doctrine political tactics anymore especially after reading the book by Naomi Klein and studying historical events like Operation Gladio and the Strategy of Tension.
So please inform me, esteemed one, how it is that I have personally helped treat patients with this disease. I have seen them die on life support. Are you trying to say they were all misdiagnosed?
What? I browse the conspiracy community. It’s literally pinned to the top of the sub. I don’t know if I’ve talked to you but I’ve never debated anyone on HIV existing before. The idea that it doesn’t is absurd. Why would I lie about treating patients with HIV? Your argument would have more merit if you tried to say they were misdiagnosed. But to say I’m lying is ridiculous. Almost all medical practitioners in the US have treated HIV/ AIDS patients. Is everyone lying?
I don’t need to know all the research behind a disease to help take care of patients with it. I don’t know what your asking me. The only argument you can make is that the handful of HIV patients I’ve taken care of were misdiagnosed because I’ve read through their charts. One died of pneumocystis carinii pneumonia from an immunocompromised patient. He was immunocompromised from AIDS. Is your argument that he was immunocompromised from something else?
Because I don’t know all the intricacies involved in the research. I’m telling you I’ve seen people dying or die from the disease. Then you called me a liar. Not a good foundation to your argument if you can’t explain ALL of the evidence of people getting AIDS from not treating their HIV and dying. Is it your opinion that someone like Freddie Mercury did not have AIDS? Is it your argument that it instead a different immunocompromising disease?
It's still clear to me that the virus was later intentionally introduced to the public to combat open homosexuality (triggered primarily by the increasingly common gay bars & bath houses).
Early statements in mainstream media reveal that the PTB believed the the virus would be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) transmitted amongst gay men (from the gay men they infected to other gay men).
This documentary answers the remaining major question: Did they have the ability to completely engineer the virus or did they stumble onto it in nature and put it to use?
Pretty damn stupid to think that men who have sex with men would only be having sex with men, especially at a time when most gays were still in the closet.
43 comments
1 wittor 2018-10-14
is there any one here that was diagnosed and uses the alternative methods?
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
I was just recently diagnosed (they think I’ve had it for 8-10 years, not sure why my family doctor never ordered a test in that time). However I’m on the standard medication. I figure they fixed me and made me able to eat again (my esophagus was so torn up from infection that I couldn’t swallow without feeling like my chest was tearing open) so I might as well trust them.
1 wittor 2018-10-14
thank you, i have never had the chance to hear from a patient perspective first hand before. i hope you get well soon. also, i believe (which is not to know...) that the association of the treatments and a personalized care would be the best alternative.
1 IHateCircusMidgets 2018-10-14
Best of luck to you.
1 andrew77mc 2018-10-14
Have you watched the other documentary, House of Numbers? It has 3 parts in total.
It kinda blew my mind! The lady in the final part just refused to say for certain that the Virus exists, apparently some very questionable science is involved.
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
You don’t have HIV.
1 dirtydanisreal 2018-10-14
I wonder if you have someone diagnosed with AIDS if they experience the same decrease in condition if they DONT take the medications prescribed. Like what is the AIDS/HIV test flagging as a positive? It and cancer have worked as big scary words, like communist.
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
There is no evidence that anyone with HIV will get aids.
Also you can have aids without having hiv. You can also have aids for literally a few days - since aids is the measurement of immune system cells in your body - if you’re sick enough. You can have aids.
The tests are coming back as positive based on the work of Robert Gallo. His test gives positive for things like heptatitus and pregnancy. Robert Gallo’s work is extremely shoddy.
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
Isn’t AIDS just HIV that has progressed to a certain stage basically, though? That is how the doctors explained it to me, anyway.
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
Your doctors are criminally ignorant.
AIDs exists without HIV.
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
I did just now, all the sources I’m seeing say HIV is an infection that can lead to AIDS if not treated. Care to point me in your direction?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
https://watermark.silverchair.com/37-suppl_B-171.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAi8wggIrBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggIcMIICGAIBADCCAhEGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMgBxz5N5EFa1zxF7bAgEQgIIB4u_QCAAwMsMa0kbzYeoY6jl5YJ04eAMsOzJGb6Z5Trk3I9dcqzxQucykeQmkKkdiSyEpeXS2u_LwO_SxqcQq6imrhEdX1oudlKvdSonrRfUDZx3oCGL83R-qeyBH_UfN6nu9SCirE5bJBeou3eEh0IX_jg06o2RvSgNyaG7Yce9msH0IzXUCUuN3DBPpAl6XLlX39hKLQMIQ60ZFbp9h3VAzSyIf-zxXboiIOeFg-Ech0muQCh2OxCEDlp0mae02B54MPramuHM3nrABlo3cj4JbhT3NgwSUGZaA4cwhIQyH-iao8IIJDk1UfZ5Hnjl_p-Ui-R16THmZinXAitzrI0c8hYS2dZEJqkJR-WcNZTkjnlVGLGQdBkZI0Uz8L8bJTV4fPGlXmrf2xupB7AGd75gtYVpCrxRRv2Jl-ZEbIc-GaDTCPTne7FszU2HqskCFYRGM1LpZKuCQMFJ1TeGyJYSMNhyHd3rtt61P6tsOPtHuRUimk122Y4L2fgcK41A-9TiWFcGm29oWdKLZEzY9-_IxRUnZ6VpYBo1iWxf7UVkA2b9j3zMpl9aCk3xcieDTv7Ow9bfqHgxA_b-ZPwpoBjtZjvOSe-dIq4WO0bEoxcDp65U7pP6rdFLFv2Mecx2yrzpf
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First page on Google when you look up "aids without HIV"
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
Thanks, I’m pretty bad at Googling apparently lol. Will check out your other links/info on my next break. My roommate is a librarian actually so I can catch a ride with them one day this week
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
They healed the fungus in my esophagus and the (pneumonia) that was causing craters in my lungs, to be clear this was with antibiotics.
The HIV medication, Biktarvy it’s called. Idk if it works but I had a bad skin infection for a year and a month after taking these pills it is mostly gone- I thought it was the antibiotics but the doctor thinks it is the Biktarvy raising my T-cell (I think that’s the right term) count.
Idk what other kind of proof you’re looking for but I’m willing to try to provide it if you’d like.
Thanks, Z
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
You in Canada? You’re taking an unapproved hiv medicine. Is this an ad?
Your doctor is beyond ignorant if he thinks the medicine is helping raise ur T cell count. That medicine is a combination of several and one of them - specifically tenofvoir - has been shown to decrease T cell count by turning off the receptor that tells your body you need more T cells. So - it doesn’t do anything.
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
Well shit, that sucks. No, I’m in WI. Any suggestions on what I should do?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
there are two reasonable ways to manage this while the 3rd is extreme.
Take hiv antibody tests until it says negative. Then stop taking the test for good.
Take the medicine until your numbers level out then discontinue. It’s up to you if you want to tell your doctor you’re discontinuing. From my research it seems like a crap shoot. Some people say their doctor is fine while others say their doctor attempts to have them held on a 5150.
Ignore it all and move on with your life
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
References
1. Agbalika F, Ferchal F, Garnier J-P, et al. 1992. False-positive antigens related to emergence of a 25-30 kD protein detected in organ recipients. AIDS. 6:959-962.
2. Andrade V, Avelleira JC, Marques A, et al. 1991. Leprosy as a cause of false-positive results in serological assays for the detection of antibodies to HIV-1. Intl. J. Leprosy. 59:125.
3. Arnold NL, Slade RA, Jones MM, et al. 1994. Donor follow up of influenza vaccine-related multiple viral enzyme immunoassay reactivity. Vox Sanguinis. 67:191.
4. Ascher D, Roberts C. 1993. Determination of the etiology of seroreversals in HIV testing by antibody fingerprinting. AIDS. 6:241.
5. Barbacid M, Bolgnesi D, Aaronson S. 1980. Humans have antibodies capable of recognizing oncoviral glycoproteins: Demonstration that these antibodies are formed in response to cellular modification of glycoproteins rather than as consequence of exposure to virus. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. 77:1617-1621.
6. Biggar R, Melbye M, Sarin P, et al. 1985. ELISA HTLV retrovirus antibody reactivity associated with malaria and immune complexes in healthy Africans. Lancet. ii:520-543.
7. Blanton M, Balakrishnan K, Dumaswala U, et al. 1987. HLA antibodies in blood donors with reactive screening tests for antibody to the immunodeficiency virus. Transfusion. 27(1):118.
8. Blomberg J, Vincic E, Jonsson C, et al. 1990. Identification of regions of HIV-1 p24 reactive with sera which give "indeterminate" results in electrophoretic immunoblots with the help of long synthetic peptides. AIDS Res. Hum. Retro. 6:1363.
9. Burkhardt U, Mertens T, Eggers H. 1987. Comparison of two commercially available anti-HIV ELISA's: Abbott HTLV-III ELA and DuPont HTLV-III ELISA. J. Med. Vir. 23:217.
10. Bylund D, Ziegner U, Hooper D. 1992 Review of testing for human immunodeficiency virus. Clin. Lab. Med. 12:305-333.
11. Challakere K, Rapaport M. 1993. False-positive human immunodeficiency virus type 1 ELISA results in low-risk subjects. West. J. Med. 159(2):214-215.
12. Charmot G, Simon F. 1990. HIV infection and malaria. Revue du practicien. 40:2141.
13. Cordes R, Ryan M. 1995. Pitfalls in HIV testing. Postgraduate Medicine. 98:177.
14. Dock N, Lamberson H, O'Brien T, et al. 1988. Evaluation of atypical human immunodeficiency virus immunoblot reactivity in blood donors. Transfusion. 28:142.
15. Esteva M, Blasini A, Ogly D, et al. 1992. False positive results for antibody to HIV in two men with systemic lupus erythematosus. Ann. Rheum. Dis. 51:1071-1073.
16. Fassbinder W, Kuhni P, Neumayer H. et al. 1986. Prevalence of antibodies against LAV/HTLV-III [HIV] in patients with terminal renal insufficiency treated with hemodialysis and following renal transplantation. Deutsche Medizinische Wochenschrift. 111:1087.
17. Fleming D, Cochi S, Steece R. et al. 1987. Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome in low-incidence areas. JAMA. 258(6):785.
18. Gill MJ, Rachlis A, Anand C. 1991. Five cases of erroneously diagnosed HIV infection. Can. Med. Asso. J. 145(12):1593.
19. Healey D, Bolton W. 1993. Apparent HIV-1 glycoprotein reactivity on Western blot in uninfected blood donors. AIDS. 7:655-658.
20. Hisa J. 1993. False-positive ELISA for human immunodeficiency virus after influenza vaccination. JID. 167:989.
21. Isaacman S. 1989. Positive HIV antibody test results after treatment with hepatitis B immune globulin. JAMA. 262:209.
22. Jackson G, Rubenis M, Knigge M, et al. 1988. Passive immunoneutralisation of human immunodeficiency virus in patients with advanced AIDS. Lancet, Sept. 17:647.
23. Jindal R, Solomon M, Burrows L. 1993. False positive tests for HIV in a woman with lupus and renal failure. NEJM. 328:1281-1282.
24. Jungkind D, DiRenzo S, Young S. 1986. Effect of using heat-inactivated serum with the Abbott human T-cell lymphotropic virus type III [HIV] antibody test. J. Clin. Micro. 23:381.
25. Kashala O, Marlink R, Ilunga M. et al. 1994. Infection with human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) and human T-cell lymphotropic viruses among leprosy patients and contacts: correlation between HIV-1 cross-reactivity and antibodies to lipoarabionomanna. J. Infect. Dis. 169:296-304.
26. Lai-Goldman M, McBride J, Howanitz P, et al. 1987. Presence of HTLV-III [HIV] antibodies in immune serum globulin preparations. Am. J. Clin. Path. 87:635.
27. Langedijk J, Vos W, Doornum G, et al. 1992. Identification of cross-reactive epitopes recognized by HIV-1 false-positive sera. AIDS. 6:1547-1548.
28. Lee D, Eby W, Molinaro G. 1992. HIV false positivity after hepatitis B vaccination. Lancet. 339:1060.
29. Leo-Amador G, Ramirez-Rodriguez J, Galvan-Villegas F, et al. 1990. Antibodies against human immunodeficiency virus in generalized lupus erythematosus. Salud Publica de Mexico. 32:15.
30. Mackenzie W, Davis J, Peterson D. et al. 1992. Multiple false-positive serologic tests for HIV, HTLV-1 and hepatitis C following influenza vaccination, 1991. JAMA. 268:1015-1017.
31. Mathe G. 1992. Is the AIDS virus responsible for the disease? Biomed & Pharmacother. 46:1-2.
32. Mendenhall C, Roselle G, Grossman C, et al. 1986. False-positive tests for HTLV-III [HIV] antibodies in alcoholic patients with hepatitis. NEJM. 314:921.
33. Moore J, Cone E, Alexander S. 1986. HTLV-III [HIV] seropositivity in 1971-1972 parenteral drug abusers - a case of false-positives or evidence of viral exposure? NEJM. 314:1387-1388.
34. Mortimer P, Mortimer J, Parry J. 1985. Which anti-HTLV-III/LAV [HIV] assays for screening and comfirmatory testing? Lancet. Oct. 19, p873.
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
1 Cheapbarbituates 2018-10-14
Every one of these sources is highly antiquated research with very questionable relevance. Come on homie.
1 Todos1881 2018-10-14
Did u have any symptoms over those 8 to 10 years that would have indicated you were infected? Or did you suddenly get sick and they decided to test you?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
Everyone has the symptoms of HIV af some point in their life. Most people it manifests as a flu like siruation.
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
I never had any noticeable symptoms until ~1 year ago when I developed a skin infection on my arms/chest/legs, I’d never had anything like it before- it was kind of like bad acne.
A few months after that I developed a cough, but it wasn’t too debilitating. I ended up seeing my doctor in the spring and he gave me antibiotics and cream, which didn’t really work. So I think it slowly built up over the last year or so and then at around the end of July I got really sick. The pain when swallowing even my own saliva was unbearable. After a few weeks using ibuprofen to calm the pain so I could eat/drink (worked about half the time), I ended up in the ER at 2AM and stayed in the hospital for a week. Never thought it would be AIDS. I still am curious how I got it because 8-10 years ago I was only having sex with one person and she wasn’t a slut or anything so I’d be surprised if she had it at that time. I may have got it at my workplace during those years but I’d have to have been pretty unlucky (I can elaborate if people want).
If the doctors are wrong and I got it more recently then I’m less shocked, but your “immune cells” (T-cells I think) are supposed to be in the range of 500-2000 and mine we’re at 4. I thought they were using a different scale when they told me my count lol.
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
Just wanted to add: I said there were no symptoms but actually I was a straight A student my whole life until I was about 16-17 (so 8-9 years ago, right when they think I contracted it) when I suddenly stopped caring about anything. I dropped out of school the last couple months of junior year. I finished senior year with like Cs and a few Bs. I actually had one like failing grade F that would have kept me from graduating but I guess my teacher liked me because when I told him he bumped it up enough so I could graduate. My adult life has been mostly a steady spiral downwards, trips to jail, homelessness, joblessness, etc.
I wonder if it is the HIV that changed me like that, as from what I understand it can affect the brain.
1 ZombiesAteK 2018-10-14
Look up dr sebi he proved hes cured aids in court
1 Orangutan 2018-10-14
A small history of biological warfare and experiments:
2001 anthrax attacks
Tuskagee Experiments
Spraying in St. Louis
Guatemala STD Experiments
Smallpox on blankets for Native Americans
Fake vaccines in Pakistan
Depleted Uranium on Civilians
White Phosphorous on Civilians
Seems like it is irresponsible to rule out Disaster Capitalism type Shock Doctrine political tactics anymore especially after reading the book by Naomi Klein and studying historical events like Operation Gladio and the Strategy of Tension.
1 obl1terat1ion 2018-10-14
White phosphorus and DU aren’t bio weapons...
1 a-n-o-n-88 2018-10-14
What’s with the mods not need SS
1 axolotl_peyotl 2018-10-14
This is the featured documentary chosen by the /r/conspiracy community.
1 RMFN 2018-10-14
Read the rules. Self posts do not require a ss...
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
HIV doesn’t exist and is not a biological warefare.
It’s interesting that my post about HIV being a fraud was ignored while this post is shot to the top.
Controlling he narrative.
1 rtjl86 2018-10-14
So please inform me, esteemed one, how it is that I have personally helped treat patients with this disease. I have seen them die on life support. Are you trying to say they were all misdiagnosed?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
No I’m saying you’re probably lying.
1 rtjl86 2018-10-14
What? I browse the conspiracy community. It’s literally pinned to the top of the sub. I don’t know if I’ve talked to you but I’ve never debated anyone on HIV existing before. The idea that it doesn’t is absurd. Why would I lie about treating patients with HIV? Your argument would have more merit if you tried to say they were misdiagnosed. But to say I’m lying is ridiculous. Almost all medical practitioners in the US have treated HIV/ AIDS patients. Is everyone lying?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
I dunno. I ignored you since you are unwilling to answer the question.
1 rtjl86 2018-10-14
I don’t need to know all the research behind a disease to help take care of patients with it. I don’t know what your asking me. The only argument you can make is that the handful of HIV patients I’ve taken care of were misdiagnosed because I’ve read through their charts. One died of pneumocystis carinii pneumonia from an immunocompromised patient. He was immunocompromised from AIDS. Is your argument that he was immunocompromised from something else?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
I dunno. Ignored.
1 rtjl86 2018-10-14
That’s mature, to ignore any reasonable objection to your beliefs. Good luck in your crusade to disprove HIV.
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
Ooookay.... I guess to keep up with your mature argument. You started it by ignoring my question.
1 rtjl86 2018-10-14
Because I don’t know all the intricacies involved in the research. I’m telling you I’ve seen people dying or die from the disease. Then you called me a liar. Not a good foundation to your argument if you can’t explain ALL of the evidence of people getting AIDS from not treating their HIV and dying. Is it your opinion that someone like Freddie Mercury did not have AIDS? Is it your argument that it instead a different immunocompromising disease?
1 BlackDeath2017 2018-10-14
How can u speak with such certainty then.
Well usually people that die from AIDs just show up at the door right, you've never seen anyone progress from hiv to aids.
1 MrQuizzles 2018-10-14
Bad/stupid ideas get downvoted into oblivion as they should be.
1 NagevegaN 2018-10-14
The corrupt conscienceless evil of organized religion isn't dying off, it's just finding a new host in organized "science".
1 DontJoinTheMilitary 2018-10-14
It's still clear to me that the virus was later intentionally introduced to the public to combat open homosexuality (triggered primarily by the increasingly common gay bars & bath houses).
Early statements in mainstream media reveal that the PTB believed the the virus would be exclusively (or nearly exclusively) transmitted amongst gay men (from the gay men they infected to other gay men).
This documentary answers the remaining major question: Did they have the ability to completely engineer the virus or did they stumble onto it in nature and put it to use?
1 AnAccountOfMyOwn 2018-10-14
Pretty damn stupid to think that men who have sex with men would only be having sex with men, especially at a time when most gays were still in the closet.
1 consuli 2018-10-14
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Are there any scientific proven facts, e.g. polio virus RNA in the AIDS virus RNA, that would proof this conspiracy?
1 Kh444n 2018-10-14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXpclFasC4
1 Shablagoo- 2018-10-14
I did just now, all the sources I’m seeing say HIV is an infection that can lead to AIDS if not treated. Care to point me in your direction?