Disappointed in this sub.

1  2018-10-14 by c00lrthnu

For a sub that takes itself as an open space to discuss ideas that aren’t exactly the norm, and to discuss differing opinions on different phenomena, propaganda, etc. it absolutely disgusts me to see the popularity of a garbage idea that people with a different opinion or someone who doesn’t believe in conspiracy’s are “NPC’s.”

Folks, if someone doesn’t believe the same things as you that doesn’t inherently make them a robot that has no free will. It’s almost like some people here have some sort of hero complex that makes them think that you’re special in some capacity or that you’re above people who don’t believe in some of the things this sub discusses. News flash you’re not.

I’m done with this sub, I’m sad to see it go but fuck if I’m not tired of people here acting like they’re some sort of profound messiah and that they’re somehow better than the “others.”

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Generally speaking there is a lot of people who seriously lack critical thinking abilities in conspiracy circles. It comes with the territory. I wouldn't get upset about.

Yup, and if anyone's ever read the original Matheson ending they'd know that it's the one who sees the zombies as being inhuman that is in need of a brain, not the zombie. People who choose to see NPC are the one's who are letting their behavior get scripted by others.

Now I’m just unsure if me agreeing with your comment is me being the same kind of person who I’m currently denouncing...

Welp

The doors to fascism are always open and all of us in the middle class are already in a close enough position to step inside and flex our fascist muscles, but we don't because luckily we can still see ourselves and we can see we are not that person.

I’m not upset this isn’t exactly pushing itself into my daily life, I just don’t want to participate here anymore I just don’t like the way this sub acts anymore. Everyone that has a different opinion is either a shill, NPC, etc. and that’s just one of my gripes with how this sub has been acting lately.

Let jerks circle. People are clicky. What are you expecting? Just be you playa.

Also, concern trolling about leaving the sub is highly frowned upon.

Also, you can ignore posts you don't like.

Also I'm going to make an NPC meme for conspiracists.

I can ignore a post all I want but my point is that what’s the point of having a conversation with people on a sub that will call you a brainwashed NPC for having a differing opinion, that’s not a discussion or sub that I want to participate in anymore.

Blow them out. They'll respond with another question, or a non sequitur. Then its over, and everyone who passes by can see how it ended, even if you didn't get the last word.

My point is that this sub as of late seems to be jumping at any given opportunity to discount someone’s opinion by calling them a shill, or an NPC in this case and it begets the entire point of having a discussion.

I liked this sub because it exposed me to different ideas and the arguments and discussions on this sub were fun, now it’s a bunch of children who can’t understand that other people have different ideas. Which, considering the nature of this sub is ironic

My point is that this sub as of late seems to be jumping at any given opportunity to discount someone’s opinion by calling them a shill, or an NPC in this case and it begets the entire point of having a discussion.

I'm not sure what you are expecting from this site. Considering we are at a low point in submitted material, it is going to require more participation in the threads that exist. Look, the CEO of Reddit is a troll. You need to adjust to the playing field. Run down the front page compared to the posts that offend you and let's talk.

I liked this sub because it exposed me to different ideas and the arguments and discussions on this sub were fun, now it’s a bunch of children

It's good that you appreciate the sub, and if you do, it is vital that you not call your opponents children. Be funny about it. They have a sense of humour, and you just might win some of them over, even if you can't agree on everything, or anything.

I’m referring to them as children because they clearly haven’t grasped the concept of others having their own thought process. Which I’m sure many of us actually learned somewhere between the ages of 5 and 10. And while I see the irony in that statement I just don’t see the need to discuss anything with someone that immediately writes off someone having a different thought as them being brainwashed, it just isn’t worth arguing or defending against them because they don’t care or listen to reason, they would rather sit in an echo chamber and go back to pretending that they are some sort of messiah figure that only THEY are different.

This conversation wouldn’t be possible if you or I believed the other to be a robot that can’t control their own machinations, but we’re having it because we’re 2 grown adults that respect others having their opinion, and we don’t assume that it’s impossible for someone to disagree with them of their own free will.

Don't cry over spilled milk, or Reddit trolling.

Like, sure TMOR are trolls, but at least I might convince some of them to move on with their lives. Don't underestimate the power your voice has on these platforms.

NPC memes are funny. Just turn them around is all.

You start with posts, then go to asking if everyone who doesn't agree is an NPC. Finally you end with memes. How long till someone "ironically" starts picking off some npcs?

This is really great advice, when it doesn't apply to power users.

Starting to seem like the cliquey people you speak of are the ones behind the curtain.

"Here to Babylon they go, brighter made is their woe. As above so below.

We reached for an outside point of view, but it's out of touch with me and you. I feel I'm walking into suicide."

Considering that r/conspiracy is a sub that focuses on the crimes of the ruling class, I would say that moderators and regular users have every right to hold a high level of skepticism toward perceived outsiders. Unfortunately that kind of tribalism can work against a philosophy of transparency and equity.

A fine line for sure.

Indeed. The balance of paranoia and acceptance is difficult. I am thankful for katsung.

This sub is probably being manipulated by that guy that made the npc post and his alts.

A meme would be outstanding.

If you do not believe in free will we all are NPC. Free will is a controversial topic in the history of philosophy. Immanuel Kant said he was a believer in free will in spite of there being not a shred of empirical evidence or an iota of sound reasoning to justify the idea.

(That is not exactly what he said of course but I don't believe it is a ridiculous summation of his tortured defense.)

If anybody wants to offer a good support of the concept I say have a go at it!

Shilling is very real here, learn to spot it.

posts like this are old news, get up to speed already ppl. this place has been the battleground since 2016.

haven't you noticed there's a heck of a lot of people not interested in conspiracies here?

I’m confused are you calling me a shill or the people who are posting NPC threads are shills?

I don't think he's saying either of those.

I don’t really understand his comment I have no idea what it’s directed at

Well this sub is disappointed in you then.

In that case where the fuck do I sign up? I’ll gladly shill for anyone for a quick buck

It's all I their heads

Wow I was really hoping to get paid by the totally real secret society trying to control us through caillou

Same. I was hoping these West Coast Elitists that own brain washing would at least give me a full ride to their brainwashing colleges.could it be that shills aren't as widespread as they would hope?

found the NPC

Used to be all SJW's

Can you imagine being so buttblasted by an MSpaint meme that you get it banned by a billion dollar corperation in two days?

Meanwhile everyone they disagree with is a Russian Bot for the last two years, I wonder if Dorsey will do anything about that.

ragequit buh bye

Dude, Twitter is banning accounts with harmless MS paint faces making generic comments. The conspiracy is real. The social media companies with a virtual monopoly over online communications are actively silencing critics to protect the interests of the Democratic Party.

I said it before, the Left are the new reactionaries. The Right is the new counterculture. The inability of liberals to even realize what fools they are being made of by reacting with hysteria, censorship, and in some cases violence is destroying true left-wing interests. In order to defeat Trump, you sold yourselves out to neoliberals, neocons, and Communists. The damage you've done supporting this is unknown. Just wait till Trump is out of office and YOU want to complain about something the government is doing. You'll be banned too when hating on the government is not tolerated by the media, such as it was under Obama.

What part of my post possibly gave you the inclination that I am a liberal, or that this was even about politics? Nothing you wrote just now has anything to do with my issues with calling people NPC’s

The NPC meme isn't about conspiracies. It is about people talking like pre-programmed bots repeating a script. They don't discuss anything, seemingly have no pulse, or have no unique opinions. Just the same "orange man bad" nonsense.

The age of having debate is over. The modern era is about quick smark parroted from late night hosts and drive-by headlines with stories that nobody bothers to read.

Alright man I don’t understand your need to bring politics into this so I’m honestly just gunna drop out of this conversation.

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It's the biggest conspiracy brought forward to the public. How could everyone not be talking about it?

Becuase you didn't seem to give two shits about people calling others Russian bots for two years. Funny how that is.

I’m not overly active on reddit, in terms of posting and commenting, you can check my profile for that.

With that said, while this is my first time speaking out against similar anti-intellectualism on this sub, I would like to make clear that calling people shills, NPC’s, Russian bots, etc. is abhorrent behavior and anyone guilty of such idiosyncrasies, is someone not worth even holding a discussion with. Unless of course they have sufficient evidence to refer to them as Russian bots and paid shills. An NPC however, is something I despise because there is no basis of evidence to support those claims, because they are simply untrue. People can make their own ideas, whether they are correct, incorrect, or otherwise different from someone’s else’s, just because they might be different does not mean that those conclusions could not come naturally.

I specifically posted about NPC’s because I wanted people on this sub to return to reality, and that reality is that differing opinions are essential for debate, and that is what this sub is based upon.

Its so weird how Russian bot farms seem to be discovered huh? No collusion of course!

Yeah that seems like a totally legitimate reason to call everyone who disagrees with you a bot.

I mean the actual ones they find where people are hired to create new account and scripts. There are your actual npcs.

When your counter culture is dehuminization you can take shove it up your npc

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"The only people who get mad about it are the ones who think it applies to them" - Tim Pool

People have been paying about "npcs" here for well over two years.

Honestly I qualify more as an NPC than not. Ultimately I don't buy into the idea that if you don't commit to every conspiracy you're a brainless drone.

I don't take it personally and encourage you to not let it ruin your fun. I'm sure a lot of us are "on the spectrum." :) I view the truly committed as having a solid purpose to post compelling and persuasive arguments. Obviously suggesting we're dumb if we don't believe accomplishes neither.

If you enjoy this sub, don't leave. Those posts and comments are few and far between.

Your referring to queztelcoastal north pole dude of being jesus?

Yeah but the dude is also clearly not mentally healthy so I don’t think it warrants discussion

Hey, if you think there are holes in some conspiracies then that is a welcome discussion. But if someone is here to be skeptic of conspiracies in general it just means they aren't informed.

It's like being a meat eater in r/vegan

Don't expect people to be kind to you if you insist on participating without understanding the premise at a deep level.

I refuse to participate in a “discussion” if the other person will just start believing that because I or someone else has a differing opinion that I am being programmed to believe what it is that I’m saying, or that I’m not a real life person and essentially a robot, that’s not worth mine or anyone else’s time to even contribute at that point.

This is totally something a bot would say...

Sorry for the ignorance, but what is NPC?

An alt right meme insinuating liberals and people who don't agree with them are programmed robots because they base their opinions on information from outside sources instead of making them up. The lack of self awareness is depressing.

There was a study done that found some people don't utilize an 'inner voice' all of the time. For example, if I'm waiting for a coffee, and someone that was behind me gets their coffee before me, I may think (in my own voice, in my head), 'unbelievable....I'm never coming to this coffee shop again'. Or something to some such effect.

This 'voice' is tied to our ego (or, petite object a, or what makes us 'us'); it's constantly interpreting information we receive and shaping it and molding into a narrative/story that we use to make sense of the events that occur in our lives. ex. Someone says something mean to me, I may experience my inner voice saying something to the effect of 'what's that person's problem? Do they really not like me? Maybe they're just mad because x, y, z.' Up until recently, I think everyone assumed we all had such a voice.

Now, there's a study that intimates that some of us don't....some of us think either in a) symbols and not words, or b) do not have an inner voice at all, and respond to situations based on perception of what the 'group' we belong to thinks....much like how a dog will just react to whatever emotional vibes/stimuli it senses from the pack.

On 4chan, people have taken the information from this study and concluded that some people are NPC's, or (non-playable characters)...like how in video games there are just characters that exist that you can interact with, but aren't good for anything more than giving you information or just repeating whatever line they're there to say.

What's interesting to me is the HUGE negative response to this. I don't believe I saw anything about SJWs in the initial conversation after this was originally posted, but somehow it's been twisted into a right/left thing, and now there's this whole thing about how it's 'dehumanizing'. Obviously, the people on 4chan are happy to reap and sow any chaos they can, so they're fanning the flames....but it is interesting to me how butthurt many people have become about this one so quickly. Soy boy and Cuck and all the other memes they come up with haven't struck a nerve this hard.

Personally, I have had the experience of trying to have a deep conversation with someone, just to watch their eyes glaze over. I don't attribute it to them not being 'real people', but I think probably most of us on a conspiracy board can relate to the cognitive blocks we encounter when we try to empress information that contradicts a particular world-view on certain people. The idea that there are some people in the world that do not have a developed inner self, or internal agency/autonomy really seems to be upsetting to some people.....you're definitely going to be seeing/hearing more about this in the coming weeks.

Silly, silly culture wars....

Thanks for that explanation.

One thing that you said that really stood out to me was;

Personally, I have had the experience of trying to have a deep conversation with someone, just to watch their eyes glaze over. I don't attribute it to them not being 'real people', but I think probably most of us on a conspiracy board can relate to the cognitive blocks we encounter when we try to empress information that contradicts a particular world-view on certain people

This is so true. It's like people are programmed down to their core to subconsciously reject any information that goes against their preexisting world view. Not only reject, but almost not comprehend it. I think it's totally a result from conditioning and brainwashing.

It's one thing to have someone disagree with you and intellectually argue with, it's an entirely different thing when they just have this glaze over their eyes.

and perhaps that's the upsetting nature of this meme...it sort of calls uniform thinking out and frames it in a way that makes people who go along with the accepted narrative as literal 'robots' of sorts. Obviously, anyone who agrees with the 'accepted' ideas of the day (whether they have actually deeply considered the evidence or data and arrived at their own conclusion or not) will feel attacked by this. I understand how a logical conclusion could be that it's 'dehumanizing' (and 4chan people are gleefully fueling this fire with their memes....some of which are actually, tbh, hilarious)...but I feel like the more interesting scientific aspect of how some people internally process the information they receive from the world is being twisted into some political bullshit.

Maybe it's true, and there are NPCs among us. Who knows? Sucks seeing this actually interesting study warped into a weapon for the culture wars.

With all the violence from people who hate on color, race, religion, nationality, class, etc., We don't need more dehumanizing. I wouldn't count on some 4chan gamers to be competent enough to do shit themselves, but they would probably love to spark some crazies into thinking hey! NPC IN GAME = OK TO HURT

NPC = PEOPLE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT I THINK

SO

IF PEOPLE = NPC

THEN PEOPLE = OK TO HURT.

Please don't be supporting this trend.

I think this ones code may break soon. Lets get him back in a more comfortable loop. Seems to be looking for one itself

100 percent agreed

Huh?

Cry some more about it.

NPCs is a term coming from the voat/ gamergate/ milliondollarextreme crowd. They're alt right, just disregard everything they say: it's all about name calling and shaming people away from having original ideas. Anytime you say something not supporting extreme republicanism they call you shill or shareblue or npc or sjw or commie or tankie or worse. You can see multiple examples of their behavior in r/shitpoliticssays.

RES tag those losers and you will see them posting the same thought killing cliche pattern over and over. Their aim is to prevent honest engagement with ideas.

Removed. Rule 10

Explain how this is under rule 10, I’m not sure how i violates this rule

what was the “differing opinion” that got you called an NPC

I was never called an NPC, except by people in this thread that is.

then why complain? There are people put there without internal thought processes.

I think Jesse Lee Peterson said it best when he said, “ You are a son of satan, and you think like a woman, you beta male. uh maze in”

just stop thinking like a woman and you’ll be fine

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The fuck is wrong with that?

complaining isn’t good to do, if said complaint didnt happen to you

Calm down Riddler. No reason to just use women thinking as an insult. Stick to your NPC shit. At least like that y'all just sound like dweebs and non sexist

hes a man, thinking like a woman is why he is having a meltdown about others being called npc’s

Alright buddy. No sense in arguing then

I honestly can’t tell if you’re as stupid as your comment or if you genuinely believe that some people are incapable of forming their own opinion

The NPC meme isn't about conspiracies. It is about people talking like pre-programmed bots repeating a script. They don't discuss anything, seemingly have no pulse, or have no unique opinions. Just the same "orange man bad" nonsense.

The age of having debate is over. The modern era is about quick smark parroted from late night hosts and drive-by headlines with stories that nobody bothers to read.

Don't cry over spilled milk, or Reddit trolling.

Like, sure TMOR are trolls, but at least I might convince some of them to move on with their lives. Don't underestimate the power your voice has on these platforms.

NPC memes are funny. Just turn them around is all.

Becuase you didn't seem to give two shits about people calling others Russian bots for two years. Funny how that is.