It is an interesting case to be sure. I don't know how it is in the other five eye countries but Canada had a recent spat with Saudi Arabia (in the last few months) over human rights abuses that led to a rift in diplomatic ties. That case at face value seemed ridiculous - as if Canadian politicians all just picked up a newspaper for the first time and got the vapors. And for the US political class to care about a "journalist" is quite strange considering how they treat Juluan Assange. And for Saudi Arabia to press hard on people for spreading this story is also bizzare. Do all of these countries need to severe ties for a diplomatic reset? Do they need to get away from the Petrodollar? Strike up new trade deals? Inflate the price of oil? So many questions.

inflate the price of oil

Very interesting take. Apart from the Saudis who else would profit from that? Russians? USA?

Lots of countries no doubt. Right now Canada is having some difficulty in the energy sector and could use a boost per barrel.

Canada did have that recent spat with SA as well.

Yes and it was just as strange if not moreso. Canadian officials were upset over some human rights abuses surrounding someone in prison. I mean that's great and all but Saudi Arabia doesn't exactly have the best track record otherwise so it seemed fishy to me right away. Now with this murdered journalist we might see a pattern of distancing from the kingdom and eventually the price of oil begins to creep up and everybody wins.

Something fucky is definitely going on. My natural reaction is SA being fucked over is a good thing but I'm worried I'm missing some other angle.

Surely it's a net positive for humanity if the Saudis get btfo

The Saudis are also big purchasers of arms, from the US and Canada again. Plus the US is giving cover for Yemen currently. It won't be so easy as to cut ties altogether, or maybe at all, but by causing a rift then oil can spike due to fears of war etc.

My personal theory has always been that the Gulf Arabs are all vastly overstating their reserves.

Can I also add, they posted a picture on their official Twitter account of a plane flying towards one of the towers here in Canada. Lemme see if I can find it.

A thoughtful comment Downvoted.

Shocking... ;)

I think SA needed to send a message to its citizens that no one is untouchable. I don’t know who this guy was, but people in the “know” who would be a threat to SA prob know. SA is also playing the US midterm elections, they know raising oil prices would look bad for trump. That’s why they can, and are, so brazen. Walking cleaners in while the media is watching. There’s also a Russia angle here since raising oil prices would help Russia and further hurt trump in the media.

as asset

Interesting connections, thanks.

Take away that he was a journalist. Still pretty fucked up. Killing a foreign national in an embassy in a foreign country.

If I understand it correctly... He was in Turkey at the Saudi Conselet. He was a citizen of Turkey.

Yep, so he was not Saudi (a foreign national) in a Saudi consulate in a foreign country

He was a Saudi national in exile in the United States (he went into hiding when the kingdom began corruption investigations this time last year). He was a Saudi citizen until the day he died. (Has he died though? I've seen no proof. I've heard stories of a dismembered body from a nameless source, but no actual evidence to support his death).

He was in Turkey at the SA consulate to obtain divorce papers so he could turn those in to the Turkish government in order to marry his Turkish wife. He was not a Turkish Citizen.

Most like a CIA operative. Think they may of lost their guy in SA and this is their way of extracting revenge.

WaPo is an arm of the intelligence services and has been for a long time. This journalist was most likely an asset of the CIA, especially when you look at his connections. Osama bin Laden was an intelligence asset and this journalist spent over half a year with him among many other clues.

The fact that he was related to huge arms dealer Adnan Kashoggi gives fodder to that theory, for sure.

def a spook. Lived in Virginia too. Probably around Langley.

Current news is flooding search engines, so I've been having trouble looking up things about him. He only just fled KSA last year, right? He was definitely friendly with the old "regime" in the kingdom. Sure he's been recently critical of MBS, but before then?

He was also pro-Muslim Brotherhood.

FYI you can set certain date ranges on news search to find stories not contaminated by recent events

Somehow I totally forgot about that... and thanks, it helped to easily find Khashoggi's writings. He basically just is against how MBS consolidated power in the purge, and that's it. This is the same purge the rest of the world was praising him (MBS) for.

cnn reporting that the saudis are preparing to announce that khashoggi was killed in an "interrogation gone bad"!!!!!!!

Well, if they only "accidentally" tortured him to death, I guess that's OK.

I saw this thing in a movie, forget what it is; but the cops cut the power to the camera and pretended that the bad guy was going for their gun then just shot at him so they had to kill them. I know it's just a movie but that could be their story is my point.

I think you're giving them to much credit. Their COVER STORY so far is that they were torturing him too hard.

Good point

lol how does that work? "we were asking questions so hard that the guy just died...oops our bad"

The first thing you learn when you look into Saudi politics is that absolutely nothing is ever simple or straight forward. There's at least half a dozen angles to anything.

Describing this guy as a "journalist" is naive at best, and in the case of most of the people doing it, a knowing lie.

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why?

People need to remember that last year two warring Royal factions were literally killing each other. The current crowned Prince bin-Salman, and al-Waleed were not getting along. Salman is being sold as a more liberal leader for Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile al-Waleed, was Obama's sugar daddy, and is knee deep on the Deep State, owning Citibank, Twitter, Fox, etc.

I'm not gonna call either of them the good guy, but this could have something to do with that feud. Just by looking at their history, its clear that al-Waleed makes bin-Salman look like an angel though. Also consider that bin-Salam is preferred by Trump, while al-Waleed isn't (he was imprisoned in a hotel, after Kushner flew there last year). So who would benefit from this the most?

Which one was supposedly the target of the assassination attempt that resulted in the Vegas massacre?

Nothing really proves that either one of them were the target of an assassination attempt, in Las Vegas.

Fair point

But the one "supposedly" being the target was bin-Salman.

I appreciate the discussion. Ty!

Supposedly that was Bin Salman. And given that the next day he began a war with the Al Waleed it would seem to be true.

Khashoggi was a member of the Opposing faction and came to the US this time last year to escape an inevitable death sentence for corruption, much like the rest of Al Waleed's crew.

The interesting things for me are:

1. There has been no evidence brought forward to support the death of Khashoggi

2. The only people who have anything to gain from this are the Saudi Deep State.

3. Bibi seems all to interested in distracting from this chain of events.

True, a lot of us are ignoring that no proof of his death has been shown... It would be hilarious if the guy pulled a stunt like that Russian guy that suddenly showed up alive, and had the 'authorities' claiming they had him fake his death temporarily, to prevent his assassination by Russia! Arkady Babchenko was his name.

I haven't seen Netanyahu's reaction to it, mind giving us a short summary?

It was his lack of one. He appears to be using this as pretext to persuade people to take interest in Iran.

I don’t understand why people are acting like he is so great and willing to risk their businesses or start a trade war over him. He was a journalist for wapo sure. Who cares? He has very Sketchy ties as you listed and has a connection to the Muslim brotherhood which is a evil group.

Governments kill people all the time. It’s not right but why do millions of people have to suffer more because of it?

What about the thousands who disappeared in "extraordinary renditions" conducted by the US Government?

Exactly!!!!!

Same reason they "cared" so much about the Skirpals being poisoned. It's a game.

You are being purposefully misleading with the thing about the taliban, it was when the taliban was the mujahideen and was being funded with US support; including Bin Laden

It's shocking that someone that op would not have seen this with only a cursory reading on the subject.

I thought most people knew that the US government funded them and Bin Laden was trained by the CIA?

You would hope so.

Yea. Same with ISIS

Seems like it. Or possibly an Israeli created group to undermine neighboring regimes.

Yeah op isn't going to answer that part

Which would be the exact time the CIA would want to groom and monitor Bin Laden the most. The US is also supporting 'moderate' terrorists in Syria and via proxy in Yemen, knowing exactly who they are now, so there's no reason to believe the CIA were any more cautious with the the Taliban back then.

Bingoooo

Hes also being intentionally misleading in saying that "he sold" the yacht to Donald Trump. He put it up as collateral for a loan, defaulted on the loan, and then Trump bought the yacht at auction...

it was when the taliban was the mujahideen

Taliban was never the mujahedeen. Mujahedeen was CIA funded and trained guerillas, AKA Al Qaeda. They fought against the occupying Russian forces in Afghanistan.

The Taliban was the children of Afghan refugees. They grew up during the 1980s in refugee camps in neighboring Pakistan. They considered the Mujahedeen to be criminals and fought to remove them from Afghanistan.

In the most expensive covert operation the CIA ever carried out, over 3 billion dollars was funnelled to the Pakistani ISI to recruit radical fundamentalists from as far away as Malaysia, bring them to Taliban indoctrination and guerilla warfare training centers on the Pakistani border and even have Pak ISI officers lead them into battle against the Soviet forces in Afghanistan. All while denying any involvement at the UN over the Soviet's complaints about it.

Now the main bone of contention in Afghanistan was primarily a pipeline through the country and who would get to own and use it. Those who claimed to be in power in Afghanistan and who were in favour of a pipeline and the ongoing payments to them for allowing one didn't care whether it was the Soviets or the US that built one. They were only interested the hefty revenues it would bring in. The country itself and multiple factions within it were far from being agreeable about either proposition without some assurances about what those revenues would be and how they would be shared and used and failing to get an acceptable answer took matters into their own hands to violently resist the central government and Soviet efforts to get the line they wanted built.

When the Soviets were forced to give up and leave the US stepped in only to find that the Taliban were just as opposed to them as they were to the Soviets and leaving them no choice but to side with the very same people that were in favour of the line that the Soviets had been working with.

And so the US stepped into straight into the quagmire that it had created for the Soviets and that played such a major role in it's final downfall and is just as intractably caught-up in it and still spending a veritable fortune in that fight without being able to successfully resolve it in all that time.

How is that misleading?

Gross oversimplification to parade a made up narrative? On r/conspiracy?? I'm shocked to my core!

Yeah, this is the first time I’ve really looked through r/conspiracy and I can’t say I’m impressed

There was a difference?

A guy born into prominent wealthy family becomes prominent himself, whoop-dee-doo, what a surprise.

His eccentric relatives have nothing to do with his journalism, and his seven years in Afghanistan was for articles on the Taliban. It was at a time when the US supplied them with weapons during the Cold War. He has held prominent positions in the Saudi government and news agencies and was very close to the royal family but decided to leave and wrote articles anti-MBS after MBS was named crown prince. You can watch some of the talks he has given at conferences on YouTube if you want to get to know his character better.

His "journalism" was most likely spying

Washington post journalist is slang for CIA operative.

https://youtu.be/BUWd9vzCD_E

Bit long but pretty interesting take on it.

No normal people knew who the fuck this guy was before he was disappeared, and now everyone is so "concerned" about Saudi Arabia.

They have been whipped into a frenzy by the reportage... It's all manufactured. Why is it that the media is pushing THIS story so hard but basically ignores the far more egregious war crimes committed against Yemeni civilians?

MSM could easily have buried this story like they do so many others. A small article "Journalist feared dead at hands of Saudi agents", when not splashed on the front page with gory details, would not grab anyone's attention nowadays.

Obviously this guy had important friends, and they're angry.

They don't want open season on journos.

Interesting. I knew I had recently heard the name Khashoggi! It was Adnan in connection to Trump, here in these articles. I will have to reread them to find any relevance.

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/03/09/donald-trump-palm-beach-homies/

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/03/17/donald-trump-dirty-money-the-filthy-rich-in-palm-beach/

Interesting. I knew I had recently heard the name Khashoggi! It was Adnan in connection to Trump, here in these articles. I will have to reread them to find any relevance.

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/03/09/donald-trump-palm-beach-homies/

http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/03/17/donald-trump-dirty-money-the-filthy-rich-in-palm-beach/

A spook.

More than likely CIA or a CIA asset, especially considering his affiliation with WaPo.

This article provides one possible explanation: https://benjaminfulford.net/2018/10/15/the-fall-of-the-zionist-house-of-saud-plus-possible-coup-attempt-in-russia/

Whatever it was, it reminds me of the scene in Goodfellas when Joe Pesci is supposed to get made, but gets whacked instead. "There was nothing we could do about it, it was some real greaseball shit."

Whatever happened, was some deep shit we probably wouldn't even understand if we were explained in detail.

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He knew too much about 9/11 and possibly played a role in grooming obl?

He isn't the first spook to be cut down and he won't be the last. You aren't invincible when you work behind the scenes of dirty wars.

I believe he is the twin brother of Rula Lenska.

Theresa LePore the “Butterfly ballot” queen of the 2000 election was once a stewardess for Adnan Khashoggi and was on the plane that free to Iran to convince the Iranians to continue to hold the US hostages so that Carter would lose the election.

Indeed seems as though the western world is being played by the Wahabbis strike back. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/jamal-khashoggi-saudis-religious-roots-171123161746247.html

Nothing really proves that either one of them were the target of an assassination attempt, in Las Vegas.

Supposedly that was Bin Salman. And given that the next day he began a war with the Al Waleed it would seem to be true.