My digg account mysteriously disappeared when I linked Tragedy and Hope and various quotes from it.

But I don't have pics, so it didn't happen.

THANK YOU FOR THAT LINK!!!!!

lol We believe you.

"...that relies primarily on covet means for expanding it's fear of influence..."

If they expanded their fear of influence, then they would become very shy and powerless people with no influence whatsoever, hence they would not be able to push their agendas forward. So instead, I'm pretty sure they try to expand their sphere of influence - meaning, have more and more influence over more and more things.

sorry typo - corrected

He was talking about Communism.

That is really too long and cumbersome to go around shouting. Could you reduce it to just one catchy slogan?

"Death to all fanatics!"

He was talking about Russia, not the Illuminati.

edit: Hello people, JFK was using Fear of communism to get people to be submissive, just as Bush did with terrorism. JFK is whipping up fear here, he is not exposing the illuminati. He is calling communism a huge monolithic conspiracy to get people to be afraid...

Okay suppose JFK was referring to communism. In a way he was still shining a light on the same thing.

This movie from the 60s cites Quigley's Tragedy and Hope and suggests that communism was just another part of the monolithic and ruthless conspiracy.

communism = Punch, capitalism = Judy in the world arena, both puppets handled and funded by the same people.

Order out of chaos, the A team needs somebody to play with so they make a B team and its game on

Great link you posted, on target, thanks

Yes the CFR is a propaganda outfit, but there is no one single big conspiracy controlling everything. It just wouldn't happen, there are cliques of rich people fighting each other for more power and more control...

When JFK described a group that wanted anonymity more than anything else, guerrillas by night, instead of armies by day.....he wasn't talking about the Russians. They were building a huge army and wanted a huge prominent army as well. They were not a country that manipulates as much as the US does. Methinks you're mis-informed.....or worse.

Russia was not a "secret society".

Russia did not rely primarily on "covet means".

Russia was not a "monolithic conspiracy".

Russia was not something the people were not already afraid of!

Russia was not a "tightly knit, highly efficient machine".

When he talks about a citizen shrinking from controversy, he's not talking about Russia. He certainly wasn't trying to ask the media for help in "alerting and informing the American people" about a country whose actions were all over the TV and news. They knew what was going on and besides all the obvious Cold war shit going on, he was NOT talking about Russia. Biggest pile of BS argument ever.

Just prior to starting this line of talk, he was talking to the media about NOT censoring the news or "stifling dissent". Why would he begin with that, if he was talking about Russia??

That, and the only people who mentioned the "illuminati" is YOU and "Zorno". So, go ahead and try prep everyone if you like.

Bullshitter.

They were not a country that manipulates as much as the US does.

hahahahah! HAHAHAHA!

no he wasn't

yeah he would have been vague when 'asking for help from the american people'. If he really wanted people to help fight the NWO, and was asking the american people for help, why didn't they respond? Wouldn't this ahve been a huge deal back in those days, the president of the US saying there was a vast banking conspiracy that was taking over our country?

If you have read about JFK, you would know he wasn't much better than any other president. Kill people in other countries and let our soldiers die just to ensure we make a buck. Read some history, you will realize JFK would more likely be IN THE NWO, than fighting it.

It's mistakes are buried, not headlined.

...The American media didn't once comment or take interest in Russian activity? The Cuban Missile Crisis one of the most widely headlined things involving Russians LOL

on guerrillas by night, instead of armies by day

..Soviets had an army,so..

. Its preparations are concealed, not published.

How exactly could the Soviets conceal their activities? Wouldn't they say, use them for propaganda to the people? Hard to conceal a whole country's army after invasions and naval warships

Read some history, you will realize JFK would more likely be IN THE NWO, than fighting it.

Being a Catholic, his speech I admit is rather ironic

He was using fear mongering to get people afraid of a communist invasion of our society just as Bush did with the fear of terrorism. Why is it that no one in the country at that time had any idea he was askign help vs the illuminati, when he was ASKING them for help? Don't you think that would be a BIG headline, and would have had every american talking at the time? Come on, think about this for a minute. It doesn't make sense.

If you read it you would understand it was not a big headline because the newspapers are part of the problem.

He was addressing the American Newspaper Publishers Association!

Look, this speech was made 8 days after the Bay of Pigs. JFK says:

I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.

He is talking about COmmunism, which was a fear tactic. They didn't want the poor people to take up communism and fight for more money and a better living, because it hurts the rich and powerful.

There is no illuminati, there are rich people just trying to keep us poor. And people here end up wasting their energy fighting some NWO that doesn't exist... meanwhile the Rockefellers are LAUGHING while we chase shadows...

He was in, they got him the presidency, then he got out and they killed him for releasing non fiat currency controlled by them, the day he was shot Johnson repealed his money, all gone for circulation in 4 months.

The media didn't respond to his call, they were already brought and paid for in 1915. The media's job was not to unite the people but to divide the people so order out of the chaos could be obtained.

The NWO order was both communism and capitalism, combined together in time it will be Socialism

So they are socialists, but they funded capitalism? How do you 'fund' capitalism?

International bankers make money out of thin air, but after you print it under their license you pay them interest on it.

Read Professor Carroll Quigley, it explains all

Or if your visually minded watch this good explanation

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6260646431723948415# as posted by mistortrogdor

no, he wasn't.

yeah he would have been vague when 'asking for help from the american people'. If he really wanted people to help fight the NWO, and was asking the american people for help, why didn't they respond? Wouldn't this ahve been a huge deal back in those days, the president of the US saying there was a vast banking conspiracy that was taking over our country?

If you have read about JFK, you would know he wasn't much better than any other president. Kill people in other countries and let our soldiers die just to ensure we make a buck. Read some history, you will realize JFK would more likely be IN THE NWO, than fighting it.

need work? maybe fox news is hiring.

answer the question, don't attack the messenger. Why wouldn't he have been clearer? Why is it that no one realized what he meant? Why would he be so vague when asking people for help?

Choose one or all, it doesn't matter, we may never know:

• he didn't know precisely who the enemy was, hence the vagueness.

• those that realized what he meant were powerless to act.

• he was killed 4 months later, and wasn't given the opportunity to expand upon the request.

• there was a huge propaganda machine churning the waters of the cold war at the time; people could have assumed it was meant to regard russia.

Read some history, you will realize JFK would more likely be IN THE NWO, than fighting it.

You would have to look beyond JFK and look at the family dynasty to learn more. They rose from the ashes of prohibition, making plenty of enemies along the way. The family could have had NWO aspirations (what rich, powerful family doesn't), but it would seem that they were denied "club membership".

It is thought that the shot that killed JFK was the trumpet sound signifying the control shift to the CIA or whatever controls the CIA's actions. If illuminati or skull and bones, then it could have been the ritual called "The Killing of the King". (2 other presidents were assassinated for conspiring against the Illuminati.)

Holy crap you must be kidding. 'he wasn't given the opportunity to expand upon the request'???

The president of the united states knows there is a huge conspiracy trying to secretly take over the US government, and all governments in the world.

He is vague and unclear, and gives a speech that appears to talk about Russia since he says in it that 'the events of the past few weeks' which would obviously be the bay of pigs since it occurred 9 days before this speech but secretly is trying to get a message to people who are sadly, powerless to act. he does not do any other thing to get word out about this conspiracy for 4 months after this speech. The newspapers were censoring him, as another commenter here said, except this speech was made to the American Newspaper Association. So the NWO had control of the newspapers and tv stations, but JFK decides to make this speech right into the heart of darkness itself.

Then he does nothing for 4 months, and gets shot.

Come on, I was duped by these quotes years ago and did more research and found out they were junk. The problem is that people want to appear consistent, to others and to themselves, which psychologically makes us not want to back down from something that we have taken a stand on, so you refuse to see the obvious.

Oh well, I tried, good luck with teh NWO thing. As you guys waste energy fighting a ghost, the REAL problem continues - the rich are destroying the poor and are laughing at you guys who are diverting attention from the real problem to some secret cabal of international bankers. Sheesh.

ok, again, i quote you saying

Read some history, you will realize JFK would more likely be IN THE NWO, than fighting it.

If JFK is more likely in the NWO, why would he seek help in the fight against communism? Communistic philosophies align quite well with the known illuminati agenda. I find it more likely that he just didn't understand the full breadth and reach of his ''enemy". If you listen/watch/read the speech in the context that he is talking about the CIA, it also fits a little too well IMO.

But you, zorno, can't have it both ways. Sure, he could have been talking about russia, great, case closed, just cold war fear mongering. But to say that he was in alliance with the NWO while simultaneously summoning help to fight Russia would call for some pretty big [citation needed]'s. hehe

Ididn't say he was part of some NWO, I meant that his actions would, to me, make him more likely to be part of some big conspiracy, not against it.

I agree with what you are saying, that the NWO doesn't exist, but obviously there was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, right?

Yes I do think there was more to the JFK assassination than what we were told. Even RFK thought the CIA did it. But it could have been Castro. But I do not think some big banker paid someone to kill JFK because JFK was printing silver certificates or whatever.

To be honest, i DID think that at one point, when I first saw some of the conspiracy videos on the net, but as I did more reading I found out a lot of what those movies put forth is conjecture and guesswork, quotes taken out of context, etc.

Just as this quote, if you read the whole speech, it isn't nearly as spooky.

true true

Kennedy and the two other presidents all had one thing in common, they all tried to kill the banks ....

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lol sorry for disturbing your retardedness, retard.

not a problem, fascist.

Well you should be much nicer, I have a special phone that only calls one number 1-800-Ban-kers. Puts me right through to the Big Cheese himself, the leader of the Illuminati. I just wave my magic Mason's ring, and he will do as I ask. I could have your house egged if I wanted to, or... if you get me really mad, you might go outside one day to find a bag on fire on your porch, but when you stomp it to put out the flames - it will be full of dog feces! aaarrgh the NWO will get you!

:)

interesting.

A global government would be more efficient and we can finally turn our attention to where it should be: outer space exploration.

A global government run by lying murdering dynasties? No thank you.

It would be better than our current system.

Why because then we wouldn't even be able to flee the country? Our (American that is) federal government can't handle our whole country what makes you think a global government can handle the fucking world?

I'll tell you one thing; I'm not giving up the USA without a fight. I don't care how corrupt our government is, it is better than a global corruption.

I don't care how corrupt our government is, it is better than a global corruption.

But then isnt the whole world already corrupt? Everywhere there are humans, there is corruption due to the human tendency of greed. The only way to live in a non-corrupt society is remove the greed gene from the human gene pool. Now try convincing a fundamentalist christian from texas (we all like stereotypes :) )who believes that the bible is the literal word of god that this is the answer.

"the love of money is the root of all evil"

I would say power always corrupts; however in a non-global government we have a much larger chance of turnover than in a global government.

A non global government is weak. Our governments are in constant power struggles with each other. The number of times we have nearly killed ourselves in these power struggles is scary. It takes only 1 nuke fired in anger to start a nuclear war and it takes only 1 nuclear war to turn this planet into an irradiated toxic dump.

I'd rather liberty over security every single time.

I'd rather power struggles with a chance of improvement over stagnant ever-present control.

It comes down to the question: Would you rather be free or happy? I prefer free. And in the context of this discussion there is no guarantee happiness will come with that aforementioned overbearing global government.

The power struggles are part of the puppet show, I am all for world leadership and government if done properly, one that is not controlled by corporations and banks for profit, If we are going to have it then it should be one controlled by grass roots people who look after the bottom of society at the expense of the top, not the other way around as the elite want.

According to the sentiments of the poster it is the same as the current system.

The answer is decentralisation, not the opposite.

Yeah, because we have been such great earthly citizens and stewards...

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I agree, it would be great if we lived in some altruistic humanist global society where human have trascended the petty differences that have divided them in the past, such as jingoism, religious wars, racism, sexism, statism, etc. etc.

That's not what this is. This is more like a Global Fascist society. Think Nazi Germany minus the concentration camps.

think global concentration camp, RFID chipped

I agree, it would be great if we lived in some altruistic humanist global society where human have trascended the petty differences that have divided them in the past, such as jingoism, religious wars, racism, sexism, statism, etc. etc.

picture this: we 'upgrade' to a AI. We basically copy all neuron connections in our brains and replace them with a digital version. We are the exact same person as before but with a slightly faster brain with perhaps 1.5 times the number of neurons. Perhaps using nanotechnology to do this. We are all then connected in one massive neural network like the internet but instead of servers and Pcs, we have minds. We would have complete freedom of information. Every thought, memory and experience in your mind laid bare for anyone and everyone to see. Imagine being able to experience Steven Hawkins understanding of quantum mechanics. The aim of every single person would be to learn more, about everything. You would have no more prejudice, no more arguments and wars. No more conflict. Racists would realise that foreign people are just like them except in appearance. People would be judged entirely by their personality and intellect.

If everyone started with a brain 1.5 times faster and with 1.5 times more neurons then Im sure we could put our heads together and devise a even faster and more efficient brain. Would we ever reach a limit?

Everything you experience is in your own head, every thought, emotion and even your vision and other senses are your brains interpretation of electrical impulses. Feelings are also generated by the brain. Imagine feeling constant euphoria, and compassion for everyone. Negative feelings are just products of evolution. Pain is simply deterrent to stop us damaging our bodies. We could remove all negative feelings. Ignorance would not exist anymore.

This is where I want the human race to go. Anyone agree with me?

A global government would be more efficient

Maybe so. Maybe it would be more "efficient". But the question I ask myself is: "at what cost?" Would the means to efficiency cost us something greater than the gains the efficiencies provide? I don't know. But I suspect the answer to the latter is, "yes".

edit: clarity (I hope)

When I read the whole speech by JFK, I got the impression that he was referring to Communism\Marxism\The Cold War. He seemed to be calling for restraint of the press/media on divuldging too much information to the public. He wanted to be clear that he wasn't asking for complete secrecy; but that some restraint on the details was in keeping with what makes sense, and in keeping with the values of the nation.

The quote, taken out of it's context, does seem to completely fit the context of the NWO/anti-NWO conflict. Perhaps the quote still fits, even considering the context JFK was using it. Perhaps even JFK couldn't imagine the scope and depth of the "ruthless conspiracy".

my2¢

"But I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people"......... The NWO order is both communism and capitalism, combined together in time into Socialism

I was 1/2 through a reply when I accidentally navigated away from the page. So, if this is a duplicate reply ... my apologies. What I was saying in the other reply was ...

I'm with ya. I've been talking to people about this shit since the early 90's. I'm just saying that I thought the quote was great, so I went to see if JFK was in fact "talking about the New World Order controlled by the international bankers ...". And as far as I can tell he wasn't -- not directly. The "ruthless conspiracy" he was talking about seemed to be communism, and it's spread. And the speech, as a whole, was about (in his words): "I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy." The speech wasn't about the NWO -- not directly. That's all I was saying. If you throw that quote around, and make it sound like JFK was directly talking about "talking about the New World Order controlled by the international bankers" .... and they go and actually read the speech .... they will be like: "what the fuck? This speech is about information, and the media during a time of war. It's not about the NWO ..."

That's all I was trying to say.

Keep up the good fight.

By the way .... anyone else see the humor in "pets_or_meat" replying to "therabbit". Fuck, it made me smile.

edit: spelling

The New World Order was both capitalism and communism (back then, its global socialism now), so maybe he was talking about the communist (socialist) NWO influence on America.

Ya, I understand that too. Heard it all before. Not even arguing with you. It's just that wasn't the point of my comment.

Never mind.

I understand what your saying, the controlled media gave no follow up to what he said, communism and capitalism were two sides of the same coin though or two different teams as constructed by the NWO international bankers so its hard to ascertain exactly. They wanted their order out of the chaos at either teams expense.

I posted further if your interested

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/9u4cq/we_know_there_is_a_global_agenda_behind_all_the/

Like I said earlier: keep up the good fight!

"The NWO is a socialist organisation anyway."

I believe that the end game of the NWO will be something completely new to history, therefore a socialist description would not be accurate enough. There will be a tyrannical world government, but unlike with socialism, corporations will still have the most power. I expect it to resemble the totalitarianism of China with the corporate Fascism of the United States. In the United States, the private sector has merged with the public sector to such an extent that now I think that it's useless to talk about them as two separate entities. Maybe we should just call the combination of the Private Sector with the Public Sector the Control Sector.

I Agree, sounds more like a military dictatorship controlled by corporations running both the public and private sector, the CIA now means Corporate Interests Abroad.

I'd rather liberty over security every single time.

I'd rather power struggles with a chance of improvement over stagnant ever-present control.

It comes down to the question: Would you rather be free or happy? I prefer free. And in the context of this discussion there is no guarantee happiness will come with that aforementioned overbearing global government.

The power struggles are part of the puppet show, I am all for world leadership and government if done properly, one that is not controlled by corporations and banks for profit, If we are going to have it then it should be one controlled by grass roots people who look after the bottom of society at the expense of the top, not the other way around as the elite want.

The New World Order was both capitalism and communism (back then, its global socialism now), so maybe he was talking about the communist (socialist) NWO influence on America.