Now?! Are you kidding? We've been for quite a while.

True. It would go back to the early 20th century with the backroom deals in regards to the Balfour declaration.

Here is a trivia question for you? The year 1492 marked the initiation of the voyage of Christopher Columbus. What interesting political event occurred in Spain, where his voyage originated, in the same year?

Bonus points if you can suggest a correlation.

Have you got anything to back up that claim?

If the U.S. is controlled by Israel why did Israel need to ask Bush for a green-light to attack Iran?

why did Israel need to ask Bush

What makes you think they needed to ask?

Because they wanted to attack Iran but Bush told them they couldn't so they didn't. Why didn't they then simply ignore Bush and attack Iran anyway if they have authority over the U.S.?

Preposterous! Why would Israel attack Iran? It's suicide, not because Israel couldn't win a war with Iran, but because it would cause the entire world to take a single unified stance against Israel. For what reason could Israel justify such a war crime?

Israel would cease to exist as a nation within a few decades of such a stupid and arrogant move.

The world is used to the big, mighty USA pushing it's weight around. I am sure that Israel wants desperately for the USA to engage Iran in a hot war, so that Israel could get it's geopolitical goals met without tarnishing it's image or pushing world Islam into a holy war against it.

But doing it itself? Preposterous!

Can the US government be discussed as a nation state anymore?

With these global intelligence agencies, talking in terms of "United States"and "Israel" becomes arbitrary and empty.

Exactly. Policy wise it is nearly impossible to distinguish Evangelical Christian politics from Israel's. On any day but their respective sabbath they are the very same.

My view is that we are owned and controlled by the same interests.

How can we seriously question Iran's development of nuclear power when Iran has signed nuclear treaties and not question Israel's nuclear program when they have not signed any treaties. Everyone knows Israel has the bomb but no one says a word.

and when a country signs the nuclear proliferation treaty, it, according to law, has the right to research and develop a nuclear energy program.

Assuming they follow the guidelines which Iran is and has failed to do.

Iran's nuclear program is legal. Israel's is illegal.

How is it legal if they are hiding reprocessing plants? And sure, Israel's isn't legal either. I fail to understand why Israel's is any worse than Iran's? Are you saying that Israel should sign the treaty and then not honor it as Iran is doing? North Korea did that and then pulled out in 2003.

I didn't say that everything they are doing is legal, I said their program is legal. There is a difference.

If Israel signed the treaty, then they would be acknowledging their program and accepting international scrutiny. That would be much more legal and better for everyone.

There is a difference.

Well not everything that North Korea did was illegal, does that make their program pre 2003 legal? I just fail to see how it makes much of a difference. Actions are what the world is trying to manage not whether or not they sign a document.

If Israel signed the treaty, then they would be acknowledging their program and accepting international scrutiny.

Or not as North Korea and Iran have done. Just because you sign a treaty doesn't make it all better. You actually have to intend to follow the guidelines. India is in the same boat as Israel, they have weapons and haven't signed the treaty.

Can you blame them. They finally accepted the UN's demand only to be told that it's not enough anymore, and they really are bad people anyway who probably are just trying to buy more time, they are damned if they do damned if they don't. The US and Israel are 2 belligerent nation only looking for excuse to cause trouble.

So that whole hidden reprocessing site, that was just an oversight? Nothing to see here move along?

If you know that an enemy country has it in for you and may strike at his pleasing, anytime, wouldn't you be inclined to hide such things as the things you use to power your country.

They finally accepted the UN's demand only to be told that it's not enough anymore

I'm saying apparently they didn't accept the UN's demands. I don't understand why it's not ok for US and isreal to be dicks but when Iran does it it's ok. It's not black and white.

They did accept, maybe the news hasn't reached your neck of the wood yet, or perhaps you rely too much on the American news media.

Perhaps you missed the part where they accepted the terms but then haven't been following them. If they aren't going to follow the guidelines what is the point of getting them to sign the treaty? Maybe your crap news sources aren't giving you the full picture.

ok let me be clear on this. they already accepted those demand and smoe countries such as Russia, China and even France ( until they were told to stick to the plan ). The ultimate goal is to crush Iran, to punish them. At this point Iran could accept any demands made by the US and promise them to give each and every Americans a blow job every morning for the next 10 years, either way they will get punished until somebody on either side does something stupid and then Oh LOWDY LOWD! Iran will be crushed and put to it knee, at least that's the idea behind it, as we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan things don't always go as planned.

Huh? Could you be a little more clear and a little less hyperbolic? Are you saying the US and israel are just trying to find an excuse to go to war with Iran? Sorry, I'm honestly just having a hard time following what you just wrote.

not nessesarily going to war but to punish them and cause a shitload of trouble for them.

Iran is closer to compliance than Israel who has yet to admit to their secret nuclear program. A bigger violation than anything Iran has done. Where is the outrage?

Iran is closer to compliance than India who has yet to sign anything. A bigger violation than anything Iran has done. Where is the outrage?

How could they fail guidelines if the U.S. is helping to build the reactors through a Russian contractor?

This was on CNN

Why did they keep a new reprocessing plant secret? That is pretty fundamentally against the guidelines.

My view is that we are owned and controlled by the same interests.

Freemasonry? Freemasonry has always been controlled by Kabbalists, making Israel the de-facto crown of that occult fraternity.

However, Albert Pike does seem to suggest that you are right, in his letter to Mazzini in 1875, and that freemasonry is actually in control.

It's a mystery!?

Freemasonry is part of a network. There are numerous pyramid organizations. The top figures of each group form the next group. It's all compartmentalized. All information is on a need to know basis and is controlled by level of initiation. The average Joe who becomes a Freemason has no idea of what is going on above him.

This is true. Freemasonry is one of the largest and best known of these, and may be the strongest; capable of existing without the pyramid cap, as it were.

Who do you think is at the top of these pyramids?

We'll never know their names. We only know their agents. Here's something I think is interesting. If you check out the world's richest people, you never see Rothschild on the list. Or Rockefeller or the Queen.

Who do you think is at the top of these pyramids?

The EYE, man. THE EYE!

as many if not more as the main european nuclear powers france and uk (~300).

You are correct. I have here several sources to back up this fact. Every one should read these to understand the sheer gravity of the situation.

There is a Zionist group on reddit that views this as fact

Someone wrote a book about the subject, and surprise surprise, most American schools ban it

This actually has been in the making long before the Zionists revealed themselves after the First World War. This website gives a good rundown on the whole plan

This isn't proof at all.

i know what you mean and yes, it is true, but at the same time the israeli people are as free (not) as the americans in shaping their home countries politics

since when are the americans free or involved in shaping their home countries politics?

i can has sarcasm?

the citizens of the united states take an active role in the politics of the country, based on reason, logic, and sound judgement. </s>

Now? No, it's been a vassal for some time.

Who's up-voting this wasteland of emptiness?

i guess the american people are interested in how independent really they are from a small, violent and far away government?

I'm not arguing with the idea, but with the fact that this self-comment contains zero justification for itself.

Is that how the conspiracy sub-reddit is to conduct itself now?

I can see the headlines:

"Your banker owns your house!"

"Aliens own the White House!"

"Corporations are not good for the American way of life!"

"Does your cat hate you?"

time for a new subreddit!

Call them anti-semites, they know how to handle that calmly and rationally.

They must have a way to subvert the normal way of getting to the front page on reddit. I guess they couldn't do it any fair way.

I really can't see the point. There's nothing here.

No. Both however are controlled by Rome.

Which is controlled by the Black Pope.

Correct.

This is all just nonsense and stage-play to discredit and sap power from the Vatican, who has always been the single only political force on earth powerful enough to get in the way of the Kabbalists. As an aside, the Kabbalists sacred numbers are sixes and their sacred symbol embodies three sixes (six lines, six sided hexagram, six triangles). The bible discusses this, as these dark religions existed when the bible was written. These two forces have been in a dance of conflict throughout all of human history, like yin and yang. The church, out in the open, against the occult, hidden in darkness (before the Catholic church held the position of defender of humanity, ancient Israel and Judaism did, but it also carried within it the very thing that it fought against and eventually fell into witchcraft, idolatry and kabbalism, giving birth to Christianity as it's antithesis - the Torrah is all about this conflict between those who followed Mosaic law - the ten commandments - and those who fell into worship of Baal, Moloch, Remphan and so forth. The time of Solomon is particularly interesting). Things have become more confused. The bible discusses those who claim to be Jewish, but are not and this is a direct reference to people who claim to be god's chosen defenders of humanity who follow mosaic law, but are in actuality practicing demonology, sorcery and the Kaballa. If you ask an average Jew, today, you are likely to get a strange answer about what Judaism is, with respect to the laws of Moses and the Kaballa. Everyone is confused about it.

If you want proof that the Vatican is not behind this, then go spread rumors about Catholic priests and watch as nothing happens and your nonsense is not censored. Then, try to do the same thing about Israel, the Kabbalah and Freemasonry and watch how quickly your words get censored.

It's easy to see who is trying to harm whom, and who controls the media and has the power of censorship. It's done from darkness.

Throughout history, up until Vatican II (after WWII, when the Vatican was successfully infiltrated by masons), the Vatican held the position that fraternizing with masonic religions or any other form of Kabbalah (considered demonic worship and witchcraft by the Vatican) was heretical and grounds for excommunications from the church. This fight between the holy roman empire and kabbalism occasionally erupted into hot wars; The Spanish Inquisition was an attempt to vet out the kabbalists as were the Boston witch trials and many other unfortunate events in history, all cases of Christians going mad with fear and the Vatican attempting to purge the underworld.

Your claim that the Vatican is secretly in control of freemasonry, judaism and the other kabbalistic religions (there are many) is pure contradiction. Why would the church excommunicate what they are controlling? Why would they allow bad press about itself, yet censor bad press about this thing that they control that they excommunicate?

How are you able to hold this contradiction in your mind?

CorpusCallosum, what resources would you suggest looking at, that would support your argument re an ancient conflict between kabbalah and the Vatican. Anything discussing the playing out of these tensions in modern times? Googling topics like kabbalah and spanish inquisition, or holy roman empire gives only varying results.

There is a ton of information out there, but you have to be patient, because there is a lot of garbage and disinformation as well.

A quick search yielded many different results, but I found this page that contains some pretty accurate information, in my opinion, as well as citations. It has a bit of religious bias to it, but most everything on this topic is charged that way. It's difficult to find truly dispassionate research about the history of kaballa.

I suggest these searches to get you started at researching the history of the vatican and the kaballa; attempting to search directly for "kabbala vatican" will simply yield a bunch of nonsense about Jesus being a kabbalist and christian kabbala and other rubbish. Try these instead:

• "vatican masonic"

• "masonic kabbala"

• "vatican excommunicated kabbala"

• "spanish inquisition kabbala"

• "boston witch kabbala"

A lot to sort through. But if you read enough, you will begin to put the pieces together of this, mightiest and most secret, of all human mysteries. Often, you can substitute "masonic" for kabbala while searching with interesting effect. Freemasonry is totally kabbala based, so the terms are almost synonyms.

The primary symbols of freemasony and the star of david are clearly visual synonyms - although it is not really clear what the relationship is between the hexagram and kabbalah. I like your interpretation [If I understand correctly] that emphasizes the continuity of mosaic tradition into the christian - intriguingly demonstrated by the adoption of many of the books of the torrah into the christian old testament. The torrah and the bible are then considered to be the written history of a series of revolts by religious leaders (moses, jesus etc) against small unseen occult groups (pharaoh / the money lenders) attempting/ or having already fulfilled their claims on power. Thanks for taking the time for providing the links - I will make google my friend.

The Secret Behind Secret Societies (1hr 30 mins)

The Origin of the Conspiracy (10 mins)

The Antichrist revealed (18 mins)

Who is the Antichrist?

Pope demands One World Government (10 mins)

Rerum Novarum - The REAL N.W.O. (10 mins)

The New Age Agenda (3 hours)

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

It's crap; self contradictory crap that neglects history. In fact, all of these well made documentaries against the Catholic Church actually serves to prove that the Church isn't running things. Can't you see that?

Sorry Phazon. You are fighting the wrong enemy. I appreciate what you are doing, and why you are doing it, but you have been fooled.

You've gotta be kidding. The Jews disinfo is so much more widespread than any information about the Jesuits and the Vatican and you didn't even attempt to look at the information I presented because you know you can't refute it. Why don't you go find somewhere else to troll and spread your bullshit lies if you're not willing to even look at the evidence.

The Catholic Church ALWAYS tries to blame the Jews for everything.

You're either a fool that's fallen for it or you're deliberately spreading these bullshit lies.

Not Jews. Jews are, as a whole, as innocent as anyone else.

The occult. The problem rests in the occult.

The occult is not an organisation. There are secret societies and organisations involved in occult practices and they are all controlled by the Jesuits.

kabbalah

I would think that the particular flavour of religion is unimportant. What we are looking at are groups bent on gaining maximum power over ignorant masses. Rather pointless to argue which group's rituals are founded in Truth, they all seem unsubstantiated to me.

Our little game here is to try to figure out who is on top. Looking back at history the Jesuits have been highly organised, clever and influential, obeying orders without question. They've been at this for so long with great success, making them a strong candidate.

I think it's the other way around. Why would we ever let the Jews rule the world?

why did Israel need to ask Bush

What makes you think they needed to ask?