Wait wait wait wait wait... I don't know much about Ahmadinejad, but is it taboo to like him? The whole 'speaking truth to power' idea has me rooting for him. Can someone please educate me?
He's one of the last places in the middle east who hasn't been "western-ized" to the extent that they are a puppet state. So yeah, if you were one of the few left, you'd fight like hell to keep it that way too.
The important thing is WHY he is smeared. The demonizing of a country is often done to get people riled up in a prelude to war. I suspect the only reason Iran hasnt been attacked thus far is that the United States of Israel is at or near bankruptcy economically.
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I was watching this thread and wondered how long it would take the anti semetic card to be played, its usually instantaneous. Anyway, its not off topic. The demonizing of Ahmadinejad and Iran comes directly from the Zionist controlled US govt and media. I dont see how anyone can come to any other conclusion. Iran is no threat to the United States in any way, do some research and see if you can find the last time they attacked anyone. Then compare that to the record of the US and Israel. But they are a (perceived) threat to Israel and Israels desire to dominate the middle east.
The domination of the US govt by the Israeli lobby is undeniable. And the total domination of upper management and ownership of media, both news and entertainment, is also undeniable. But pointing these things out along with any criticism of Israel is somehow anti semetic. Wake up.
Two very broad reasons:
1: He represents a particularly horrid regime. With all the human rights abuses, treaty and international law violations and corruption. Iran isn't even popular with other fundamentalist Islamic countries, I mean Saudi Arabia has agreed to stand down their air defenses to let Israel bomb them.
2: He frequently makes speeches of much more inflammatory nature. Calling for the destruction of Israel, denying the holocaust, calling for the destruction of the west in general, the US, UK and Israel in particular.
Long story short, he's got most of the world pissed off at both the regime he represents and him personally. UN delegates would probably have left no mater what he said, they're just sick of his $@*%.
Of course you know these people dont have any proof. These people just repeat the propaganda they hear from the Zionist controlled media and USA govt. As it always is with the brainwashed, even if you point out the truth to them, they dont want to know.
Possibly Costa Rica, probably not any of the EU, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.
The protest looks pretty preplaned, but the US really can't be said to be in a controling position over most of the participants. Couldn't even convince most of them to go to Iraq.
Yeah, anyone who translates nuclear energy as nuclear weapon should lose their job as a translater, but poor translation only covers a small amount of the statements he has made over his career.
The countries that walked out did show disrespect to both the UN and Iran, and the protest would apear to be preplaned, independent of what Ahmadinejad actualy said. At least none of them decided to bang their shoes on the tables.
While I don't believe that it is a bed of roses, there are dozens of far worse regimes out there.
It seems pretty obvious that Iran is getting a lot more stick than it deserves, and it is also pretty obvious the reasons why.
The whole situation is unfair, really, as Iran is not a warlike country, and I believe would be open to diplomacy and reasonableness.
It's a pity that neither Israel nor the USA has tried this approach with any seriousness: it seemed to pay dividends with the infinitely more crazy North Korea.
Part of the reason they get so much stick is we don't have any carrots with them. Iran is freaking rich compared to most of the world and reasonably self sufficient.
North Korea is starving, Iran exports food.
North Korea gets almost all of its fuel as aid from foreign governments, Iran has the world's second largest reserves of natural gas and third largest reserves of oil.
North Korea also has China backing them. Iran sometimes has Russia being slightly more open to negotiation.
North Korea has such abyssmaly poor products that their own government uses products from Japan or the States rather than risk it. Iran is able to export goods that compete favorably in several markets.
While both countries have nuclear ambitions and poor relations with the West, North Korea is dependant on aid and must negotiate or starve. Iran is actualy in a position to just ride out the sanctions
Well Saudi Arabia doesn't like Iran because they do not worship the same type of Islam and also they don't see themselves as the same type of people at all. They don't identify with each other on a cultural, racial or religious level.
They dont "worship a different kind of Islam". They all worship the One God, but have political differences.
That's because Saudi's are Arabs and speak Arabic (ie: Semitic). The Iranians are Persians and speak Farsi (ie: Arian). Completely different history and culture./
Since these "political differences" are completely inseparable from their different religious preferences then I think that it is safe for me to say "worship a different kind of Islam". I suppose that this just goes on and on while we debate about what the difference between a religion and a culture is as these people agree that they don't really like each other that much.
You mean the Western media reporting on some demonstrations during a democratic election?
The whole "green movement" thing sounded like it came out of the same cookie-cutter as the orange revolution in the Ukraine, and there have been a whole lot of "coloured" uprisings around the world sponsored by the west.
I'm not one that believes that the US is behind 9/11 but the reason is such a big deal is because he said it in the UN to the faces of the US delegation. If they say it in their country to their people in their country it's not news, but when it's here, it's news.
It's more like "Hating those who disparage, dispossess and murder civilians with impunity", which is not all Jews, nor all Israelis, nor even all Americans.
However, a whole lot of them do seem to like that sort of thing.
Wait wait wait wait wait... I don't know much about Kim Jong-Il, but is it taboo to like him? The whole 'speaking truth to power' idea has me rooting for him. Can someone please educate me?
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Since these "political differences" are completely inseparable from their different religious preferences then I think that it is safe for me to say "worship a different kind of Islam". I suppose that this just goes on and on while we debate about what the difference between a religion and a culture is as these people agree that they don't really like each other that much.
Possibly Costa Rica, probably not any of the EU, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.
The protest looks pretty preplaned, but the US really can't be said to be in a controling position over most of the participants. Couldn't even convince most of them to go to Iraq.
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13 Abe_Vigoda 2010-09-25
Your post is getting downvotes because the little army of zio-fascists really don't want people liking what he has to say.
7 Johnny_Cash 2010-09-25
It's more than that.
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Plus, they've hijacked 96% of the media.
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WE are Palestinians.
1 cojoco 2010-09-25
Actually, 68% like it, which is pretty normal for Reddit.
6 moriquendo 2010-09-25
Try speaking truth to him in Iran and you'll see how far that will get you.
3 bittermanscolon 2010-09-25
He's one of the last places in the middle east who hasn't been "western-ized" to the extent that they are a puppet state. So yeah, if you were one of the few left, you'd fight like hell to keep it that way too.
5 [deleted] 2010-09-25
Ahmainejad has some positive characteristics, but he is mostly a figurehead with very little power.
5 [deleted] 2010-09-25
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1 ZZDoug 2010-09-25
The important thing is WHY he is smeared. The demonizing of a country is often done to get people riled up in a prelude to war. I suspect the only reason Iran hasnt been attacked thus far is that the United States of Israel is at or near bankruptcy economically.
3 destraht 2010-09-25
What does that dot in the middle instead of the number mean? Does it mean that the thread is receiving many up and down votes?
5 senatorkneehi 2010-09-25
It means the link is new. The vote stats aren't revealed until the post has been up for 30 minutes. This is done to discourage voting up or down on something based solely on its popularity.
2 redawn 2010-09-25
i like him way more than i ever liked w.
1 [deleted] 2010-09-25
Off topic, why are the comments on this so anti-semetic? They're Jewish, not Satan.
1 ZZDoug 2010-09-25
I was watching this thread and wondered how long it would take the anti semetic card to be played, its usually instantaneous. Anyway, its not off topic. The demonizing of Ahmadinejad and Iran comes directly from the Zionist controlled US govt and media. I dont see how anyone can come to any other conclusion. Iran is no threat to the United States in any way, do some research and see if you can find the last time they attacked anyone. Then compare that to the record of the US and Israel. But they are a (perceived) threat to Israel and Israels desire to dominate the middle east.
The domination of the US govt by the Israeli lobby is undeniable. And the total domination of upper management and ownership of media, both news and entertainment, is also undeniable. But pointing these things out along with any criticism of Israel is somehow anti semetic. Wake up.
0 tygea42 2010-09-25
Two very broad reasons: 1: He represents a particularly horrid regime. With all the human rights abuses, treaty and international law violations and corruption. Iran isn't even popular with other fundamentalist Islamic countries, I mean Saudi Arabia has agreed to stand down their air defenses to let Israel bomb them.
2: He frequently makes speeches of much more inflammatory nature. Calling for the destruction of Israel, denying the holocaust, calling for the destruction of the west in general, the US, UK and Israel in particular.
Long story short, he's got most of the world pissed off at both the regime he represents and him personally. UN delegates would probably have left no mater what he said, they're just sick of his $@*%.
11 TruthWillSetYouFree 2010-09-25
Got a source to back up that claim?
I read his speech from the other day, it seemed like he was promoting world peace. He was even calling for the world to get rid of it's nukes.
Worse than the Zionist regime? How so?
-4 spinspin 2010-09-25
Yeah, because he's so sane. Or maybe because he's continuing to try to con the world into leaving Iran alone until it has nukes.
7 TruthWillSetYouFree 2010-09-25
Do you have any proof of the latter?
2 ZZDoug 2010-09-25
Of course you know these people dont have any proof. These people just repeat the propaganda they hear from the Zionist controlled media and USA govt. As it always is with the brainwashed, even if you point out the truth to them, they dont want to know.
7 [deleted] 2010-09-25
To be fair, many of the "inflammatory" remarks are due to deliberately poor translations.
As for most of the world being mad at him, 27 nations walked out, but 163 stayed and listened.
9 cojoco 2010-09-25
Thanks, I didn't realize this.
6 dennisjameslyons 2010-09-25
How many of those 27 did it because they were scared not to?
3 tygea42 2010-09-25
Possibly Costa Rica, probably not any of the EU, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.
The protest looks pretty preplaned, but the US really can't be said to be in a controling position over most of the participants. Couldn't even convince most of them to go to Iraq.
1 tygea42 2010-09-25
Yeah, anyone who translates nuclear energy as nuclear weapon should lose their job as a translater, but poor translation only covers a small amount of the statements he has made over his career.
The countries that walked out did show disrespect to both the UN and Iran, and the protest would apear to be preplaned, independent of what Ahmadinejad actualy said. At least none of them decided to bang their shoes on the tables.
1 [deleted] 2010-09-25
I did not know this. Can you provide a link that explains the poor translation?
1 tygea42 2010-09-25
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad#Misattributed
5 cojoco 2010-09-25
While I don't believe that it is a bed of roses, there are dozens of far worse regimes out there.
It seems pretty obvious that Iran is getting a lot more stick than it deserves, and it is also pretty obvious the reasons why.
The whole situation is unfair, really, as Iran is not a warlike country, and I believe would be open to diplomacy and reasonableness.
It's a pity that neither Israel nor the USA has tried this approach with any seriousness: it seemed to pay dividends with the infinitely more crazy North Korea.
3 [deleted] 2010-09-25
cough Israel cough
EDIT (37secs): fixed broken link markup.
4 cojoco 2010-09-25
Yes, Israel is a nasty country that has done a lot of bad things, as has the USA.
However, it is the hypocrisy of both countries which really rankles.
Both purport to be a Western-style democracy with a supposed respect for human rights.
0 [deleted] 2010-09-25
... until they've all been stripped away by The Aristocrats
(no applause necessary, really... no, I mean, really)
1 tygea42 2010-09-25
Part of the reason they get so much stick is we don't have any carrots with them. Iran is freaking rich compared to most of the world and reasonably self sufficient.
North Korea is starving, Iran exports food. North Korea gets almost all of its fuel as aid from foreign governments, Iran has the world's second largest reserves of natural gas and third largest reserves of oil.
North Korea also has China backing them. Iran sometimes has Russia being slightly more open to negotiation.
North Korea has such abyssmaly poor products that their own government uses products from Japan or the States rather than risk it. Iran is able to export goods that compete favorably in several markets.
While both countries have nuclear ambitions and poor relations with the West, North Korea is dependant on aid and must negotiate or starve. Iran is actualy in a position to just ride out the sanctions
3 destraht 2010-09-25
Well Saudi Arabia doesn't like Iran because they do not worship the same type of Islam and also they don't see themselves as the same type of people at all. They don't identify with each other on a cultural, racial or religious level.
2 momentum77 2010-09-25
They dont "worship a different kind of Islam". They all worship the One God, but have political differences.
That's because Saudi's are Arabs and speak Arabic (ie: Semitic). The Iranians are Persians and speak Farsi (ie: Arian). Completely different history and culture./
2 destraht 2010-09-25
Since these "political differences" are completely inseparable from their different religious preferences then I think that it is safe for me to say "worship a different kind of Islam". I suppose that this just goes on and on while we debate about what the difference between a religion and a culture is as these people agree that they don't really like each other that much.
2 momentum77 2010-09-25
Then it's safe for me to say you don't understand the meaning of the word WORSHIP. You mean to say PRACTICE a different kind of Islam.
0 [deleted] 2010-09-25
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7 cojoco 2010-09-25
And it's mostly the fault of the USA and Britain that it has come to this point.
If these countries acted with any maturity, Iran could be brought back into the fold of reasonable countries by treating it in a civilized manner.
2 Sealbhach 2010-09-25
You mean the whole Mossadegh/Shah thing? I suppose you're right. I wonder what happened with that popular uprising last year...
4 cojoco 2010-09-25
You mean the Western media reporting on some demonstrations during a democratic election?
The whole "green movement" thing sounded like it came out of the same cookie-cutter as the orange revolution in the Ukraine, and there have been a whole lot of "coloured" uprisings around the world sponsored by the west.
2 tttt0tttt 2010-09-25
I guess you don't like Obama or Netanyahu either, then, right?
0 mattsatwork 2010-09-25
I'm not one that believes that the US is behind 9/11 but the reason is such a big deal is because he said it in the UN to the faces of the US delegation. If they say it in their country to their people in their country it's not news, but when it's here, it's news.
4 ZZDoug 2010-09-25
Except that isnt what he said.
-5 matts2 2010-09-25
What about speaking lies to power? And what about powerful speak speaking lies?
-5 [deleted] 2010-09-25
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11 cojoco 2010-09-25
Please, I don't think it's "Jew Hating".
It's more like "Hating those who disparage, dispossess and murder civilians with impunity", which is not all Jews, nor all Israelis, nor even all Americans.
However, a whole lot of them do seem to like that sort of thing.
-10 disbland 2010-09-25
Wait wait wait wait wait... I don't know much about Kim Jong-Il, but is it taboo to like him? The whole 'speaking truth to power' idea has me rooting for him. Can someone please educate me?
7 cojoco 2010-09-25
Kim Jong Il does things like starve large chunks of his population.
Iran is probably a pretty nice place to live for most of its population.
I really don't think that they are comparable.
5 senatorkneehi 2010-09-25
It means the link is new. The vote stats aren't revealed until the post has been up for 30 minutes. This is done to discourage voting up or down on something based solely on its popularity.
2 destraht 2010-09-25
Since these "political differences" are completely inseparable from their different religious preferences then I think that it is safe for me to say "worship a different kind of Islam". I suppose that this just goes on and on while we debate about what the difference between a religion and a culture is as these people agree that they don't really like each other that much.
2 Sealbhach 2010-09-25
You mean the whole Mossadegh/Shah thing? I suppose you're right. I wonder what happened with that popular uprising last year...
3 tygea42 2010-09-25
Possibly Costa Rica, probably not any of the EU, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand.
The protest looks pretty preplaned, but the US really can't be said to be in a controling position over most of the participants. Couldn't even convince most of them to go to Iraq.