Hey /r/conspiracy... KNOW YOUR SOURCES!

84  2011-01-05 by STARVE_THE_BEAST

Please observe our subreddit's top story of the day, weighing in at over 200 points:

Sound familiar at all? No? Ok, then how about these stories from last year:

Need I go on? What all these stories have in common, besides the obvious, is that they were concocted by one "Sorcha Faal", a longtime disseminator of completely unadulterated bullshit, that for reasons beyond my comprehension, much of the internet is determined to take quite seriously.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the love of all that we hold dear, learn to fucking discriminate truth from fiction! Learn to fact-check! Learn to research! Because this really is serious business, and your lazy confirmation bias and sophomoric approach to knowledge makes all of us look ignorant, paranoid, and foolish.

EDIT: Looks like the submitter of today's story took it down, kudos to them for doing the right thing!

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That is true we should check to see who the writer is on every story. To check for bias, religious affiliation, etc. People should also check into the ownership of the publication of the website, information source, etc.

For all we know Sorcha Faal could be working for Cass Sunstein.

To check for bias

Indeed, such as anti-semitism.

I am anti-Jewish criminal conspiratorial collaboration hiding behind religion and the Holocaust narrative to avoid criticism, detection and prosecution.

What is anti-semitism?

Are we allowed to discuss weather or not there is sufficient evidence for the holocaust and the details therein? Also does the term "zionist banker jews" qualify as anti-semitism? Please answer as this is really important.

If the only bankers you notice are jewish, maybe you aren't anti-semitic, but you are short sighted. And sure, you can discuss whether or not there is sufficient evidence for the holocaust but I have found that most holocaust 'skeptics' haven't done shit for research on it and repeat the same confused points.

Presumably you have done research on holocaust skepticism? I don't think you can judge a band by it's, dude. In general historical revisionism is a pretty serious subject and considering how much flak they get, they can't afford to make weak points.

Just as a general point about Jewish banking. Usury (which in a historical context means to charge interest) was something which Europeans were forbidden from doing by the Church. Jewish people were not under the same laws as they were allowed to charge interest to gentiles. Muslims were also forbidden from charging interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#Historical_meaning

This article primarily deals with how it was that Jews in Europe came to become so heavily involved with money lending. It also makes the typically stupid claim that the Jews were being persecuted so they had to engage in morally reprehensible acts but why were they being persecuted.

No mainstream source really explains why it is that Jews were hated but if you asked a European from the middle ages, they'd say it was because Jews are infamous for engaging is treason, seeking to influence and corrupt governments, and general problems of dishonesty in dealing with the local people. Hence pogroms and other attacks that didn't affect other minorities. So from a conspiracy stand point, the Jewish roots of modern banking do need to be acknowledged in a particular way.

So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the love of all that we hold dear, learn to fucking discriminate truth from fiction! Learn to fact-check! Learn to research! Because this really is serious business, and your lazy confirmation bias and sophomoric approach to knowledge makes all of us look ignorant, paranoid, and foolish.

I realize that plenty of people do in fact assume that everything in this subreddit is nonsense after they see that some of it is nonsense. Of course that's not true. The problem is that some of the participants here are actively trying to make the subreddit look as bad as possible, such as these folks and these folks.

To me this subreddit is valuable as a place where unconventional ideas can be presented. Some of it will be accurate and well documented, some of it will be reasonable but poorly documented, some of it will be nonsense offered sincerely and some of it will be nonsense offered maliciously. Given the way reddit works it is simply not possible to exclude or even minimize either kind of nonsense. I agree that people should be encouraged to fact check and do their own research. But I strongly disagree that people should accept accountability for the actions of other members of this "community".

But I strongly disagree that people should accept accountability for the actions of other members of this "community".

I agree, but unfortunately humanity has been making this mistake since the dawn of civilization and nothing we say will change people's inherent tendency to stereotype.

Holy fuck, you just gave me the slightest glimmer of hope for /r/conspiracy.

You should also to tell people to stop using shitty cop-out answers like this.

Just curious.. what hope is there? What is posted here that is ACTUALLY true? Most conspiracies come off as having issues just as many issues as the "truth."

What is posted here that is ACTUALLY true?

I think you're missing the point.

A lot of stuff in /r/conspiracy is possible, but not provably true.

However, that's OK, because it's necessary to have hypotheses before truth can be established; it's all part of the scientific method.

So as long as some of this stuff is actually tested instead of forgotten, otherwise it's pointless.

A lot of the conspiracies here really are very long-lived, enough to have entered conspiracy-theory folklore.

Some of them are simply entertaining.

My favourites:

  • The dancing Israelis on 9/11
  • Who shot JFK?
  • Gold-coated tungsten bricks at Fort Knox
  • Legislation to open large number of detention camps at military bases in the USA

Good times, and new information just keeps popping up, to be kept in mind should anything supportive come along.

I can't think of a better example of what you are saying than 9/11. The government sanctioned version of the "truth" is a glaring lie.

I'm fully with you, it's just nice to know that there's at least one dude here would understands the important of sources and their biases.

Come on, last I checked this isn't an open forum to bitch about that damn redditor that irritated the pants off you.

In a thread that is directly referring to said behaviour, it is.

Edit: Outofmany: Missile or Contrail?

don't know why you were downvoted, you speak the truth amigo..

The truth hurts, apprantly.

people can put out what they like the whole idea of conspiracy theories is you don't believe jack until you have evidence - that is the fun of it - if for example sorcha faal wants to tell us about a ufo invasion then let him - he wil be bombarded with the excellent redditors but i am totally against stopping these people from airing their views no matter how stupid they are - if you don't like it down vote it!

I'm against people smugly propogating their views as facts.

100% agreed.

I'd like to add that if you have some huge breaking story, search some of the names or locations first in Google News. If the best source you have covering the story has wordpress, blogger, or blogspot in the URL... don't submit it.

I know it's human nature to feel like you know something no one else knows or discovered something no one else discovered, but let's be realistic here.

This story (the one from today) was making a little bit of sense to me until I got to the part about how the buried chemical weapons were causing earthquakes.

Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.

BBQ

As something of a side note I don't think that posts that come from a serious christian angle and condemn "Satanism" should really be allowed here. It's not that I refuse to consider the bible as a source of conspiracy theory but to constantly infer that it's basically god v the devil or some other theological point is pretty tiresome to wade through if you don't subscribe to that narrow subgenre of religion.

Then help them to see the symbolic connections between their eschatology, the material world, and the abode of heaven, not as it appears in imagination, but as embodied in the living principles of truth and goodness to which we must cleave ourselves for there to be any hope of a satisfying future.

You want me to be nice to them?

I want you to seek common ground with them.

I'm not sure they'd appreciate you saying that, I should know, I was one. There are some places people just aren't ready to go.

Is Sorcha Faal aka David Booth Jewish?

“John Booth, a Jewish silversmith whose ancestors had been exiled from Portugal because of their radical political views. In London the refugees had continued their trade and free thinking, and John had married Wilkes’ cousin. This Wilkes was the ‘celebrated agitator John Wilkes of Westminster, London…John Wilkes Booth’s father was Junius Brutus Booth.” – The Mad Booths of Maryland

this

In a thread that is directly referring to said behaviour, it is.

Edit: Outofmany: Missile or Contrail?