Hey /r/conspiracy... KNOW YOUR SOURCES!
84 2011-01-05 by STARVE_THE_BEAST
Please observe our subreddit's top story of the day, weighing in at over 200 points:
- "A shocking report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) states..." Top US Official Murdered After Arkansas Weapons Test Causes Mass Death
Sound familiar at all? No? Ok, then how about these stories from last year:
"A new report prepared by the Moscow Patriarchate says..." 2012 ‘White Horse Prophecy’ Warned Is Coming True In America
"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs says..." US Descends Into Total Police State As 2012 ‘Solar Chaos’ Fears Grow
"A peculiar report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) circulating in the Kremlin today states..." World Leaders Flock To Afghanistan After Mysterious ‘Time Well’ Discovered
"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by Russian Space Forces (VKS) 45th Division of Space Control says..." WikiLeaks Set To Reveal US-UFO War In Southern Ocean
"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today authored by Doctor-Scientist Alexander Stepanov of St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory warns..." Massive Earthquake Fears Rise After Mysterious Object Moves Nearer To Earth
"A new report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) on the thousands of secret documents belonging to the United States leaked by the European whistleblower site WikiLeaks says..." Obama Sent To “2012 ALICE Bunker” Due To Norway “Spiral”
"A bizarre report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Admiral Maksimov of Russia’s Northern Fleet states..." Mysterious ‘Vortex’ Warned Is Creating Global Weather Catastrophe
Need I go on? What all these stories have in common, besides the obvious, is that they were concocted by one "Sorcha Faal", a longtime disseminator of completely unadulterated bullshit, that for reasons beyond my comprehension, much of the internet is determined to take quite seriously.
So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE for the love of all that we hold dear, learn to fucking discriminate truth from fiction! Learn to fact-check! Learn to research! Because this really is serious business, and your lazy confirmation bias and sophomoric approach to knowledge makes all of us look ignorant, paranoid, and foolish.
EDIT: Looks like the submitter of today's story took it down, kudos to them for doing the right thing!
32 comments
10 bumblingmumbling 2011-01-05
That is true we should check to see who the writer is on every story. To check for bias, religious affiliation, etc. People should also check into the ownership of the publication of the website, information source, etc.
For all we know Sorcha Faal could be working for Cass Sunstein.
-2 LynMarcus 2011-01-05
Indeed, such as anti-semitism.
6 bumblingmumbling 2011-01-05
I am anti-Jewish criminal conspiratorial collaboration hiding behind religion and the Holocaust narrative to avoid criticism, detection and prosecution.
What is anti-semitism?
3 Outofmany 2011-01-05
Are we allowed to discuss weather or not there is sufficient evidence for the holocaust and the details therein? Also does the term "zionist banker jews" qualify as anti-semitism? Please answer as this is really important.
1 LynMarcus 2011-01-05
If the only bankers you notice are jewish, maybe you aren't anti-semitic, but you are short sighted. And sure, you can discuss whether or not there is sufficient evidence for the holocaust but I have found that most holocaust 'skeptics' haven't done shit for research on it and repeat the same confused points.
1 Outofmany 2011-01-05
Presumably you have done research on holocaust skepticism? I don't think you can judge a band by it's, dude. In general historical revisionism is a pretty serious subject and considering how much flak they get, they can't afford to make weak points.
Just as a general point about Jewish banking. Usury (which in a historical context means to charge interest) was something which Europeans were forbidden from doing by the Church. Jewish people were not under the same laws as they were allowed to charge interest to gentiles. Muslims were also forbidden from charging interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#Historical_meaning
This article primarily deals with how it was that Jews in Europe came to become so heavily involved with money lending. It also makes the typically stupid claim that the Jews were being persecuted so they had to engage in morally reprehensible acts but why were they being persecuted.
No mainstream source really explains why it is that Jews were hated but if you asked a European from the middle ages, they'd say it was because Jews are infamous for engaging is treason, seeking to influence and corrupt governments, and general problems of dishonesty in dealing with the local people. Hence pogroms and other attacks that didn't affect other minorities. So from a conspiracy stand point, the Jewish roots of modern banking do need to be acknowledged in a particular way.
6 treebright 2011-01-05
I realize that plenty of people do in fact assume that everything in this subreddit is nonsense after they see that some of it is nonsense. Of course that's not true. The problem is that some of the participants here are actively trying to make the subreddit look as bad as possible, such as these folks and these folks.
To me this subreddit is valuable as a place where unconventional ideas can be presented. Some of it will be accurate and well documented, some of it will be reasonable but poorly documented, some of it will be nonsense offered sincerely and some of it will be nonsense offered maliciously. Given the way reddit works it is simply not possible to exclude or even minimize either kind of nonsense. I agree that people should be encouraged to fact check and do their own research. But I strongly disagree that people should accept accountability for the actions of other members of this "community".
1 STARVE_THE_BEAST 2011-01-05
I agree, but unfortunately humanity has been making this mistake since the dawn of civilization and nothing we say will change people's inherent tendency to stereotype.
5 Darrelc 2011-01-05
Holy fuck, you just gave me the slightest glimmer of hope for /r/conspiracy.
You should also to tell people to stop using shitty cop-out answers like this.
3 [deleted] 2011-01-05
Just curious.. what hope is there? What is posted here that is ACTUALLY true? Most conspiracies come off as having issues just as many issues as the "truth."
4 cojoco 2011-01-05
I think you're missing the point.
A lot of stuff in /r/conspiracy is possible, but not provably true.
However, that's OK, because it's necessary to have hypotheses before truth can be established; it's all part of the scientific method.
1 [deleted] 2011-01-05
So as long as some of this stuff is actually tested instead of forgotten, otherwise it's pointless.
2 cojoco 2011-01-05
A lot of the conspiracies here really are very long-lived, enough to have entered conspiracy-theory folklore.
Some of them are simply entertaining.
My favourites:
Good times, and new information just keeps popping up, to be kept in mind should anything supportive come along.
2 bumblingmumbling 2011-01-05
I can't think of a better example of what you are saying than 9/11. The government sanctioned version of the "truth" is a glaring lie.
1 Darrelc 2011-01-05
I'm fully with you, it's just nice to know that there's at least one dude here would understands the important of sources and their biases.
1 Outofmany 2011-01-05
Come on, last I checked this isn't an open forum to bitch about that damn redditor that irritated the pants off you.
1 Darrelc 2011-01-05
In a thread that is directly referring to said behaviour, it is.
Edit: Outofmany: Missile or Contrail?
-4 coldxrain 2011-01-05
don't know why you were downvoted, you speak the truth amigo..
1 Darrelc 2011-01-05
The truth hurts, apprantly.
3 02116663ag 2011-01-05
people can put out what they like the whole idea of conspiracy theories is you don't believe jack until you have evidence - that is the fun of it - if for example sorcha faal wants to tell us about a ufo invasion then let him - he wil be bombarded with the excellent redditors but i am totally against stopping these people from airing their views no matter how stupid they are - if you don't like it down vote it!
1 Darrelc 2011-01-05
I'm against people smugly propogating their views as facts.
2 aoss 2011-01-05
100% agreed.
I'd like to add that if you have some huge breaking story, search some of the names or locations first in Google News. If the best source you have covering the story has wordpress, blogger, or blogspot in the URL... don't submit it.
I know it's human nature to feel like you know something no one else knows or discovered something no one else discovered, but let's be realistic here.
1 sunstorm77 2011-01-05
This story (the one from today) was making a little bit of sense to me until I got to the part about how the buried chemical weapons were causing earthquakes.
1 AgentBarcode 2011-01-05
Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
1 mch 2011-01-05
BBQ
1 Outofmany 2011-01-05
As something of a side note I don't think that posts that come from a serious christian angle and condemn "Satanism" should really be allowed here. It's not that I refuse to consider the bible as a source of conspiracy theory but to constantly infer that it's basically god v the devil or some other theological point is pretty tiresome to wade through if you don't subscribe to that narrow subgenre of religion.
1 STARVE_THE_BEAST 2011-01-05
Then help them to see the symbolic connections between their eschatology, the material world, and the abode of heaven, not as it appears in imagination, but as embodied in the living principles of truth and goodness to which we must cleave ourselves for there to be any hope of a satisfying future.
1 Outofmany 2011-01-05
You want me to be nice to them?
1 STARVE_THE_BEAST 2011-01-05
I want you to seek common ground with them.
1 Outofmany 2011-01-05
I'm not sure they'd appreciate you saying that, I should know, I was one. There are some places people just aren't ready to go.
0 bumblingmumbling 2011-01-05
Is Sorcha Faal aka David Booth Jewish?
“John Booth, a Jewish silversmith whose ancestors had been exiled from Portugal because of their radical political views. In London the refugees had continued their trade and free thinking, and John had married Wilkes’ cousin. This Wilkes was the ‘celebrated agitator John Wilkes of Westminster, London…John Wilkes Booth’s father was Junius Brutus Booth.” – The Mad Booths of Maryland
-4 joshkoster 2011-01-05
this
1 Darrelc 2011-01-05
In a thread that is directly referring to said behaviour, it is.
Edit: Outofmany: Missile or Contrail?