If you need to defend yourself with guns, do you think you'll have enough ammunition to fend people off for as long as could be necessary?

Sounds like you are jealous of my ammo fort!

I built my walls out of ammo bricks.

Good job. Now get working on the sniper tower.

Sustainable living and permaculture is absolutely the way to go, unless, of course, the land is rendered useless due to nuclear contamination. What then? Probably a good water filtration system that removes radioactive contams, survival equipment, and hope.

What then?

Well, best be prepared and have a large supply of Rad-X. If you fuck up, pray you got some RadAway handy, or your'e screwed.

Better hope you're stocked up on bottle caps.

There a many scenarios that could happen, and you're being overly simplistic. The true survivalist could last in a major city just as well as in the country, possibly even better. Major city's have really cool places to take refuge, like subway and sewer systems that could protect you from a nuclear bomb better than being in open country farmland. A lone guy in the woods is an easier target for police helicopters than someone hiding in the subway tunnels, so it really depends on what you are trying to hide from. There are also scenarios where you may not want to run/hide/survive, but instead the best decision may be gorilla warfare against the government. In this case you are probably more likely to survive in the city.

I am not advocating living in the city vs the country, I just want to point it out that there are advantages to both sides.

On a side note, food riots will happen in a city, I would never head closer to a city during such a time.

Depends on the city. I doubt you would want to be in detroit

From Michigan, and yes it does. (Aside from the Chrysler 200 commercial during the superbowl that made me feel an absurd sense of pride.)

Detroit sucks. FTFY

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Correct.

Where will I find .1 survivalist?

Food and water will deplete in cities the first weeks, don't be foolish, the idea of the city survivalist is only a dream out of holywood.

It is already illegal to live off the land, do you think under martial law things will be any different? I think under a scenario such as a major war, the fed is not going to like people disappearing into the woods, they will call it a security concern.

Really? Source?

I am happy then, that if shit does hit the fan I just drive to the Australian outback for 8 hours and check into my fully functioning farm, complete with crops, water and guns :P

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I've made it there in 8 hours from my house. As soon as something bad happens I'm outta here. I'd like to see bandits get their shit together that quickly

That being said it is Australia and nothing can touch us anyway.

Giant jellyfish that mutated from the radiation in japan?

the outback?? now where would that be (which state?) I made my move already. Eight hours drive would have to be far way inland and quite dry

Well I wouldn't call it the deep outback. But its red and relatively barren. The property I own however has the added benefit of a river and woodlands. So it's not exactly a wasteland as you would have thought. Oh, and NSW, out Cobar way.

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I came here to say "word", but you had gotten there first.

The trick is to get out BEFORE it's necessary. Problem solved.

The survivalists that live in the middle of dense urban areas really crack me up. Living where they live is probably the worst decision they could make in terms of long term survival if shit could hit the fan. Someone that has done zero to prepare that lives in an outer suburb / exurb is going to stand a better change than the most prepared person possible in the middle of a city. Other people are the main thing you'll need to worry about, the less the better.

Sounds like you don't understand peak oil.

sounds like you don't understand horses.

This! I have a horse, and she's boarded at a farm of like minded people who can part of their fod supply, keep other horses, sheep, (they shear the sheep, spin the wool and make things out of it.) not to mention an herb garden...and while it's only cherries, there's a freaking huge orchard less than a mile away.

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Position is everything in any disaster.

your address is only as boring as the people you fill your life with :)

must. become. nomad.

Book recommendation: How to Stay Alive in the Woods by Bradford Angier (wiki)

As you might see from the picture, the cover is wrapped in a hard green rubber-- optimal for surviving.

Also 200+ survival guides. Not much help without electricity but still good to have around.

I think this all comes down to the type of disaster. If you're talking something large and distructive like a tsunami, a nuclear warhead or tornado, then the best location is just not fucking THERE. If it's something man produced like riots or zombies, you're going to win in smaller towns. It really depends your context. People are where resources are. Permiculture can't work too well in a dessert, as safely isolated as you would be.

This is why we like societal groups to begin with. If you're alone you're fucked, hands down. It's just a matter of how long until you are.

I live on remote land and have been learning to raise vegetables and animals. When the shit hits the fan these skills will be invaluable but guarding against theft will be a constant battle.

Rabbits will probably be popular because they can be kept hidden and make no noise. They are said to produce the most meat per pound of feed and produce a rich fertilizer that doesn't have to be composted before use as does chicken manure.

Geese may be a good choice because they can thrive on grass alone.

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Yeah, I read a lot of Melville and Heyerdahl too.

I live in the country-side. I hate cities and would never live in one. My biggest problem, the way I see it, is my land is too open. If city folk get out here, they are gonna want my food and my stuff...I need a contingency plan for protecting what I've built. Fences, barbed wire, something.

Build it underground and have the entrance camouflaged.

too late.

We are on the crest of a hill. There is a large field behind the house, 2 houses on either side and a road out front. I could see putting up a concrete barrier on 3 sides, open to the back. Crushed glass and barbed wire on the top of the fence. Armed guards patrolling the field behind, also mines and booby traps...

Just come to grips with the fact that you're probably going to die when the shit hits the fan. You'll save a lot of money on survival stuff.

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That's good advice even if you're not planning for the end of society as we know it. It's the communities that are disconnected that will be thriving when the cities are burning.

i'm glad you mentioned this. Our ability to survive any sort of collapse scenario is going to be locked up in our ability to form functioning communities and relate to our environment in a constructive manner. Permaculture is the best, most realistic, and most pragmatic methodology/philosophy for this that I've encountered.

Actually the most probable is a collapse of the supply-chain and you WILL need supplies, but then sufficient knowledge and a plan to implement what you note.

But wont that 3 day supply give you time to set up everything else you might need? Or get to a safer place?

As long as I don't have to drink my own pee...

I'm been learning morea bout permaculture recently. The idea of a sustainable lifestyle is excellent. It does require having some land on which to grow food and create sustainable infastructure. There is also some pratical value to other types of short range preperation. Some preperation is better than no preperation. Having some extra food in the house is a good start. Something to store water in is good. Having somewhere to go that is out of the city is not a bad idea. Seeing the images of gas lines in Japan and no food on the store shelves is a wake up call.

There's a REASON why you don't take fracking freeways or major roads out of a city. Done carefully, and depending on the situation, it could possibly be done. I personally have a fold out street map of all the side roads and tiny streets in the city I live in. (Plus my bug out pack.) two more months I'm out of college and back in the countryside!

The idea that when a catastrophe happens, everyone around you, your neighbors, your friends, will turn into animals whose only goal is to tear out your throat and take your supplies and the only way to be safe is to pump everyone full of lead is a fascinating and terrifying insight into the American psyche.

Those are farily broad generalizations though. There will be pockets of community and good will towards others. There will be pockets of discord, and some transportation will be limited because of "bad areas", but you're getting the worst picture painted, because that is what we all are forced to prepare for. (Expect the worse, hope for the best)

Very well thought out.

Of course, the Permaculture pitch helped. Denver's swing has definitely encouraged research into this... philosophy and I'm happy to be involved.

scam

how long so zombies live i cant imagine they live very long without food

Also, better to disconnect from the Internet sooner rather than later. Go on...

Sounds like you don't understand peak oil.

sounds like you don't understand horses.