The vast majority of his fans don't have your critical mind, or worse, they had it and shut it off.

People who have learned that the Government tells lies often see it as discovering one great holy truth - an epiphany of sorts - which for some reason ends their search for other truths.

They view Jones and his ilk as trusted brethen in this grand realisation and are very receptive to all messages from him and his associates - so these guys get to avoid inital skecpticism that would normally be applied.

This makes them a grreat market for snake oil salesmen which Jones & his mates undoubtedly are.

For every pair of eyes he opens, he keeps another ten shut tightly.

He doesn't believe a lot of what he says. He is not being sincere when he rants and shouts into the mike -- it's all an act.

He used to run ads for "The Nationalist News"-which is a white supremacy newspaper- all the time in the late 90's/early 2000's. This is not the first time he's dealt with scumbags, but perhaps the first time he's promoted convicted scumbags. :)

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I have heard from someone who knows him personally that he likes Hookers and absolutely loves International House Of Pancakes. Not sure if this really means anything but thought it might be interesting.

I've been listening to Alex Jones for years. His regular guests are world class - Paul Craig Roberts, Catherine Austin Fitts, Max Keiser, Webster G Tarpley, Bob Chapman, Mike Adams, Joel Skousen, Ray McGovern, Marc Faber, Lindsey Williams and lately, Porter Stansberry. There are other great regular guests but I'm tired of typing.

There is one consistent theme with these people and that is that The United States of America is doomed. Porter Stansberry is only the latest person on the guest list to say so. I've listened to the evidence and I tend to agree. The End of America means the end of the US Dollar as the world reserve currency.

Already China, Japan, Russia and others have stopped buying out debt (Treasuries) because they realize its mathematically impossible for the USA to pay off its debts. If every US citizen was taxed at 100% it would not be enough to pay our current debt load.

This is why the Federal Reserve is doing this Quantitative Easing, as they call it. What this means in plain English is that The Treasury Department issues Treasury bonds. Treasuries are US government debt instruments that allow the US government to continue to function because our taxes taken in are less than our ridiculous spending level.

The Federal Reserve makes an accounting entry on their ledger to buy those Treasuries (in effect just running the printing press by printing money). This is a Ponzi scheme. The only difference between this Ponzi scheme and any others is that the Conman and the Victim are the same group. You see how crazy that sounds?

The only reason this is allowed to happened and the dollar hasn't gone under already is because we are the world reserve currency. That means that everybody else has to buy US Dollars to buy commodities, like oil, gold, wheat, porkbellies, etc. Everything is priced in Dollars.

When the world finally wakes up, loses all confidence in the US Dollar and the world starts buying commodities with a basket of currencies (Special Drawing Rights), the Dollar will need to be revalued, aka devalued, in order to go into the SDR basket of currencies, itself.

When that happens, you can expect for food and gas to become ridiculously expensive because your Dollars will be, for all intents and purposes, worthless. Even more exciting, when it happens it will happen quickly. The Banks will simply shutdown (banking holiday). When they reopen. Your dollar will be slashed in value 50% or more and you will be greatly limited to how much money you can pull out.

How do I know this? Look at Argentina. Look at Zimbabwe. Look at the Weimar Republic. This has all happened before. Stansberry is just the latest guy stating the obvious.

I'm not sure if you really rebuked anything there. He explained why the dollar will not last as a world reserve currency, I don't think he really cares too much about this guy Stansbury.

You can have a hack tell you the truth and a prophet tell you a lie. Almost everyone is out to make some money, we all have to utilize our own skepticism and intelligence to discern what is right and wrong.

I was referring to gthagard, sorry about the confusion.

Hmmm.

Well said. I was pleased to see Greg Palast as a guest on the show recently. I know Jones thinks Chomsky is a puppet gatekeeper, but I still think it would be interesting to see him as a guest on the show. They actually overlap in a lot of areas. I've been listening to the show for a few years now too, and I'm consistently impressed with his guest interviews, though he interrupts a bit much.

People have been preaching this for as long as society has existed. What happened to all the conspiracy nuts saying America wouldn't survive the recession, dollars will be worthless in 2009 etc.

There's just no accountability. But you can bet the 1/50 times someone is right they will parade it as if it makes everything they say true.

Should we buy Bitcoins?

If you have something true, that you do not want anyone to know. Its best to have an Insane and Corrupt person announcing the existence of your secret. Reducing the credibility of the whole counter movement.

lol I wrote that while waking up. My head is a lot clearer now.

I have always felt that Alex Jones is harmful to the conspiracy theory community in general. While some of what he says makes a little sense in the grand scheme of things, his messages tend to get "Over the top".

By appearing worked up, and emotional, and claiming some pretty terrifyingly insane ideas, he's causing the whole conspiracy theory movement to appear to be insane by proxy.

I used to listen to him a lot when I first discovered him, and his rhetoric worked pretty well on me for a while. I was impotently enraged at how screwed we all are. Then I started to notice that he never offers any kind of solution, only more fear and anger.

Now I see him for what he is--the exact same as Fox News, only his boogeymen are different.

What finally clued me into how cynically he's gaming gullible folks, is how he talked repeatedly about how we need to "impeach Bush and Cheney for their war crimes"--while Bush/Cheney were in the WH. The very day Obama was inaugurated, his rhetoric changed to "impeach Obama, watch out for Obama, OMG look at these schoolkids singing their 'song of worship' to Obama!!"

now that it's actually easier to really prosecute Bush, Jones never talks about it, only "removing Obama", etc.

that all being said, I still think he's right to question 9/11; I just don't think he's all the way right, and he's cashing in on it.

Actually, I've heard him admit he was wrong a couple times, but it's never humble. it's always justified with some sort of chest-thumping righteous indignation, so in the end, it doesn't seem like he's admitted anything except "keen discernment". Plus, the way that he deliberately panders to whoever is talking to him says a lot, not to mention the method he uses to sell gold (which Glenn Beck has copied)---spin for about 25 minutes about how "the dollar is gonna collapse TOMORROW!", and "YOU CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE THE HELLSCAPE WAITING FOR YOU YUPPIES!!". Then he starts talking about how gold prices are shooting thru the roof, then he cuts over to "his friend" selling gold, and spends another 10 minutes letting his "gold guy" agree with him and shill his gold pieces.

it's like he and Fox news have a symbiotic relationship--they take cues from him, he takes cues from them, in terms of style/rhetoric/delivery/content.

Alex is not perfect. He has many faults. I know no one who has woken up as many people as him.

very true, as do Beck, Limbaugh, Blitzer, Williams, Scarborough, Jennings, etc. The problem with Alex is that he is, like Limbaugh and Beck, acting with a specific agenda that is diametrically opposed to a UNIFIED NATION. Blitzer, Williams, et al are just paid hacks reading a script, but Beck, Limbaugh and Jones write their own scripts based on the agenda of divisiveness, and reaping the dollars that they whip their glassy-eyed followers into a panic to spend. They are totally aware of what they're doing.

I do think that Jones, at one time, was on target, but he's spent so much time trying to "counter" what Fox news has done to the soul of our country, that he's become the same as Fox-- will not tolerate dissent, will not let people finish a fucking sentence, LOVES his high horse and rides it proudly, stoking impotent rage for profit.

it's like he stared into the "hellmouth" for too long and was sucked in by it.

He does have his faults. At times I think to myself, "Alex just shut up". But he has very good guests and is a good starting point. His staff is doing a very good job on their websites.

"will not tolerate dissent" This seems to be an epidemic in 2011, not just with him. Its sad and disgusting.

I agree that he wakes people up, his staff does a good job with the websites, but his guests are no better than he is, sometimes worse! god, when I listen to some of these people just make shit up on the fly while talking to him, it just makes my skin crawl! just yesterday he had some dude on crowing about how "the executive branch is NOW just declaring war and going!"--as if Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, Ford, and Johnson didn't fucking do that as well. it's shit like that, Alex.....

It's all about the fear and impotent rage. nothing substantive, no positive action, just fear and rage. what a PERFECT recipe for random bloodletting!

Yes I fear the violence he is inciting. It does remind me of a white supremacist.

Concerning Alex Jones:

1. Impregnate with fear
2. Sell fear abortion
3. Profit

His primary motive/goal is to work steps 1-3 to keep his golden goose laying golden eggs. Whether or not something is true or accurate has no bearing on him advocating it. Having said that, he does say many things that are true, but there are much better sources for information.

I'm not a Jones fan, but what are your better sources?

Too many books to list. Documentaries.

But Alex appeals to people who won't read the books. One size does not fit all. He has many personality faults. But dividing us over issues is what the enemy wants.

No, the enemy wants to dirty the waters of truth with dishonest hucksters like Alex Jones to discredit everyone that believes in and informs others of true conspiracies and serious issues.

Alex Jones makes a living from his show.

He does not do it from the good of his heart or for the empowerment of all people.

It is his job.

Alex Jones is a shill for the system, and always has been.

So anyone who sells dvds is suspect? Is that' what you're getting at?

But he doesn't only sell DVD's...

Just look at this comparison of the ad space on one of his sites I did...

http://www.reddit.com/tb/fd2gl

Imagine how much he makes just from that.

So selling pixels to pay for bandwidth makes him a shady guy? Someone has to pay the web host somehow. His other option would be to set up a paid subscriber wall like the New York Times, but that would probably make you even less happy.

It's the amount of ads that's ridiculous. He essentially runs an apocolypse supply store that happens to re-host AP articles sometimes.

I'd like to see the amount of ad space on AJ's site compared with other news outlets. But I get what you're saying. Doom-mongers always seem to be selling the very products that will save you from doom, so it's like they have an economic incentive to take the most pessimistic angle possible, which makes them not unlike the corporate news outlets that write content to please advertisers. Just be aware of it, and take the info with a grain of salt in all circumstances.

I picked FOX News, because they're likely regarded to be the "worst" of the competition.

http://i.imgur.com/GzpF5.png

Compare to the default landing page of Prison Planet:

http://i.imgur.com/6JNwi.jpg

No doubt he is in it for the money. I don't care what his motivation is if it slows down the NWO.

No.

Yet you still drop in now and again to read the free content on the website? Don't get me wrong here. Alex could be a Jesuit/Mossad/COINTELPRO whatever. But most of the content on the site is coming from third parties, and someone has to pay for bandwidth and web hosting, and for people to update the whole apparatus. How should he fund it? Donations?

I don't go to his site.

Since I'm in the right place to make up conspiracy theories, I'd like to suggest that he's a government puppet delegated to engage and discredit government dissenters, like how the tea party was subverted to fuel a meaningless debate between libertarianism and socialism.

Wait, are we talking about Stansberry, or Jones?

Yes.

And yes, psy ops (particularly in the US) is scary. They can dump thousands of dollars towards purposely misleading public opinion and they get away with it. With the advent of the social media though, I can imagine they really have their hands tied with manufacturing consent.

I have been listening to Jones for almost 10 years. At one time I thought the man was the cats ass cutting edge of hard core reality and truth. About three years ago I began to take notice of what he WAS NOT talking about. For one, he definately appears to be a gate keeper for Israel. When it came to 9/11, he was all about the truth. He was the first to declare "controlled demotion" and "inside job", but that is also where he stopped. The hardcore researchers and investigators kept on and soon found that Israel was HEAVILY involved, but Jones absolutely refuses to talk about it and insists that it was US government and British counterparts that were involved. I don't trust him anymore....there is something in his speech patterns and his "conditioning" people that America will be laid to waste that is not sitting right with me as well. Creating fear profit? Definately. Waking people up to the evils of the world? Only to a certain point. He dances around the Third Rail like a drunk chick at Mardi Gras. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiqfFJP6ds&playnext=1&list=PL89E61566EDA9AFA5

Do you know what the difference is bewteen the Zionists and the Jews?? You appear ready to pull the "anti-semitism" card already...the truth is not anti-semitic.

I would have to completely disagree with you.

First, the guy isn't a "skinhead", so why throw that innuendo out there?? Secondly, and this one irks me the most...WHY do you equate Israel with Jew? When people say "Israel" did this or "Israel" did that, they are talking about the "Zionist" government of Israel NOT the Jews as a whole or as a religion or as a people...Israeli government is Zionist. And if you know the difference as you say, you know that not all Zionists are Jews.

Alex Jones is very good at compiling early news footage of events. For instance, the local newscasts of the Oklahoma City bombing are fascinating, speaking of finding more bombs strapped to pillors inside the building, of a more than one man leaving the Ryder truck in front of the building, etc.

But then Jones takes a shit on that good groundwork by speculating and beating his one note drum: New World Order, which is bullshit.

Makes you wonder, eh?

BTW, if you're really a fan of AJ, just try selling some of the gold coins you bought... You might find out the hard way that the gold coin market works quite differently from what is portrayed on AJ, or so I've been told.

Alex Jones has always seemed to be in it for the cash and fame, not the enlightening of the masses. This seals the deal for me on Mr. Jones. I was weirded out when he had Charlie Sheen on his show recently (that's one hell of a red flag), but have long suspected Jones of being insincere and perhaps even intending malice. He's a fearmonger, his role being similar to Glenn Beck's role, just for a different part of society. Boo.

I concur with the your assessment of the Stansberry video, iirc, the video says you can get the 4 reports for free if you email them about a trial offer. Tried emailing and got nothing back.

I think Jones sometimes says some good things, but less often of late.

Alex Jones is a borderline paranoid schizophrenic. But he's also an intelligent borderline paranoid schizophrenic. He knows how make a comfortable living by marketing himself, his products, his agenda and other with similar products and agendas to his audience.

Alex has made up his mind that guy is good and is persecution by the global elite no matter the evidence. So he will see this guy as a hero until the day he dies and make a comfortable percentage of the gross in the process.

I can agree with you, although he is also the kind of guy to read this and make it a topic of the day for one of his shows.

Alex, If you read this, please please please mention me as a zionist shill. I'll send you the picturess of Obama flying into the WTC that the joos don't want you to see.

If he would actually drop the fear and just present the information and facts i think more people would take him seriously. Look at How Weed Won the West, great documentary although his whole fear mongering mentality totally turned me off of it, i only tell people to watch the union now.

At the end of the day, paying the bills trumps the truth and accuracy of any of these guys. So it all ends up being- get scared, part with your money for protection/safety.

Alex Jones = Glenn Beck if George Bush = Hitler

Every broadcaster needs funding. His funding comes from his supporters. It's a business model that works, and it enables him to get the word out. Just what part of what he says do you think is false? Everything he says is on the news in one place or another, and he explicitly states this, encouraging people to go ahead and do their own research.

Don't call me crazy you fucking jerk. Comments like that only make people angry, asshole. How do you like it?

Well, I for one haven't purchased the packages promoted in the video, have you? The raising price of commodities such as gold, silver, and oil are indisputable, and while such price shifts signal fluctuations of the currency they are valued in, it is only logical to conclude that if the trend continues, such an increase would continue in the food markets, unless we have an exceptionally good growing season. Nothing in the video seems to not make sense, so learning how to prepare for the possibility of lost savings or things like preparing your own food is only prudent and a perfectly acceptable option for those who wish to exercise those options. Having a guide in helping prepare for those possibilities would seem to help, but because I have not personally purchase these materials, and I am assuming neither have you, further judgement on them is pretty stupid. Unless you've done so, I suggest you refrain addressing people on this particular reddit with your pompous, self righteous, prickish attitude. You know that's just being a troll.

And to address the previous history of Stansberry, I am don't know if the allegations are true or not. I can just say that a conviction doesn't necessarily mean guilty, and guilt in a previous situation doesn't necessarily mean he is conning this time around. All you can really do is keep watching the news over time, see if what he has predicted seems to be happening or not, and judge for yourself whether you should if you believe his conclusions or not. It really doesn't hurt to stock up on some food or think about what you would do in the event that it turned out to be true, just in case. And if you want to spend your money in buying his product or not is entirely up to you, just as it is with whomever else listens to the ads.

But making rash generalizations of Alex Jones' listening audience-- as you do in your reply above "another crazy Jones supporter"-- or the people who choose to heed warnings with guided caution instead of foolishly laughing at those who give them, even if they are selling a production the process of offering solutions, is totally uncalled for. At least know what the solution on the table is if you do that.

Wow. These kind of line by line retorts is just a waste of both our time. Gotta get back to work. Really don't care.

Sigh. There you go again with assumptions.

You assumed I pretended not to care, when I directly told you that I had work to do. Undetermined coefficients don't solve themselves. Yet you assumed I was lying.

Basically this is just a matter of opinion. Neither of us have a crystal ball and can tell exactly what will happen, so there's no point in arguing about the ad, it's contents, it's author, or its supporters. In a few years, when we can actually see how things play out, perhaps, but not now.

nocubir, whatever that means, I already responded to your points once. You refuse to acknowledge this. And I said that people can do whatever they want with their money. You act as if people will purely respond mindlessly when an ad comes on. And let me add that this particular advertisement plays on the cnn and msnbc xm radio channels as well. An ad is an add. You take it with a grain of salt. People know this, but you talk as just because someone says anything on the radio, everybody other than you is going to believe. Give the public, and the listening audience of all these channels a little more credit, and enough respect to make their own decisions. You just seem inclined on being continuously argumentative and unwilling even cite that irrefutable fact that what you're saying is just your opinion. In fact, I would even go as far to say that even all economics is opinion. As much as economists would hate to admit, the subject is not a science, and they have incredible physics envy. There are just too many unknown inputs. The only thing that can be done-- within an understanding that any prediction is just an opinion, is look to the past of trends of cause and effect. But like you say, America is different, yet we cannot possibly know the effects of all the subtle effects that today's different laws, world neighbors, etc have on todays events when so called dire previous trends occur in America presently.

Acknowledging that there is no re way to really know. One could either prepare or not prepare, right? It's just a cost/benefit analysis? Which has the worse risk, buying a stupid 50 dollar book? Investing a little in metals? Or doing nothing and possibly taking a loss and feeling pretty stupid for procrastinating on taking action? Sure Stansberry may have a record on the books, but as you cite the court "how things in the real world actually work", are past convictions, admissible when deciding this case, if this particular argument were in a trial? My guess is no, so you really shouldn't bring that up, though I know this isn't a court of law.

So that's all I'm going to say. I really don't like coming on reddit and seeing letters from you.

In your OPINION. And that is MY point.

I researched that Sansubuy guy and came up with the same results. He’s a scheming conman. So the question remains, why’s Alex working with him? Maybe Alex is giving him a second chance because he likes his shpeal in that it's aligns well with the Info Wars theme. That’s my best guess in favor of AJ. Of course I don’t agree with everything AJ says but I always like his attitude about 911 and how he stands up to police corruption. The dude has huge balls I’ll say that.

I'll see if i can find the link to the Stansberry story I found and yes i read about his stock scams too, real nasty stuff. Also, I was wondering if this topic ever came up in the Info Wars official forums (of which i do not frequent). I for one would like to hear Jones's side of the story or if not his then maybe someone who works for him. An explanation is definitely in order. Perhaps someone should start a thread there if one hasn't already been created and if it has, keep bumping it until someone comes clean. And hey, do you have a link to the Stansberry story you found, I like to read that.

Ahh, that's the same one I read. Pretty damning evidence if you ask me but I'll still listen to and like the show. Alex is usually pretty likable even when I disagree with him. For example he doesn't believe in over population which denies simple mathematical realities of how growth works. or his stance on abortion but even with those things I still manage to like him, in fact the only time I've ever seen him act like a total asshole was when he interviewed Peter Joseph, the creator and narrator of Zeitgeist. There was no reason for those two to not get along but Alex just wouldn't let Joseph have his say in peace. I know this makes no sense but this interview made me dislike AJ more than anything. Joesph is basically a futurist and Jones is more topical so there's no reason for the conflict yet for some reason Alex appeared very threatened by the mans ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9K6xzchl6M (5 parts)

The only thing you need to know about the fate of the world is contained in Chris Martenson's crash course.

Link?

http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

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What? You mean to say the SEC actually convicted someone of fraud? GET.OUT. I thought they were too busy ignoring Bernie Madoff and watching porn on their computers to prosecute fraudsters.

What if you looked at it this way: It takes a fraudster to know one, and being convicted of "fraud" by an institution that missed Bernie Madoff calls into question the legitimacy of the charges.

Henry Blodget, another "convicted fraudster" is picked up by Slate, Newsweek and Canada's Financial Post. Has it been "career suicide" for these news outlets to partner with Business Insider?

If you don't like Stansberry's conclusions, then talk to where his analysis has gone wrong. It does no good to pull the ad hominem fallacy and focus on an SEC charge that may have been dubious at best.

Wow you seem really bent out of shape about this. The fact remains that Bernie was only caught after people lost their entire life's savings. This Porter guy claimed that a stock would double, and it only went up 40%. Between losing my entire life's savings, and making a 40% return, I'd choose the latter.

As for Stansberry's arguement, you still haven't levelled any counter-factual claims to somehow prove the contrary - that the US is not headed for a brick wall. Your concern seems to be more about his business model, in which case you're free not to purchase his research if you feel the incentives are skewed, which is more of an objection to the business model than it is a disagreement with the conclusions of his research. If you think somehow that investment houses and banks are not immune to a conflict of interest, have a read of this, from 2001:

Compared to the investment newsletters, Wall Street is at a disadvantage in finding these anomalies. There is the conflict of interest: The stockbroker is concerned about commissions, the client about capital gains. Investment letters are prepared to give sell signals; the investment banks shrink from them because it upsets their underwriting clients. And there is the inevitable bureaucracy of large organizations: it makes innovation very difficult. By contrast, investment newsletters can (and do) try anything they feel like immediately. They present every conceivable investment technique and style.

This is why we say that investment newsletters are the guerrilla troops of the financial world--Wall Street irregulars. Mark Hulbert tracks their footsteps across the investment minefield. By following them--and halting if they terminate in a smoking crater--you can see what techniques work as well as which would be right for you (two very different things). No more important work is being done anywhere in the investment industry today.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/10/22/1019inl101.html

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nail meet hammer.

TIL Alex Jones is a racist douchebag.

ok, I'm used to the anti-zionist sentiments, but anti-jesuits, really?

What's wrong with Jesuits again?

The man's a fucking legend. This is more COINTELPRO BULLSHIT!!

I've spent seven years reading day in day out copper, I know whats going on. Jones is spot on anytime I listen, COINTELPRO horseshit as usual.

Okay okay, tell me what Alex Jones is wrong about, and please don't give me a rant about the Jews, a favourite technique of the intelligence sevices.

Yes but i'm a fucking genius, and Alex Jones is right 95% of the time. Plus that was a joke. I'm married with three kids. To a beautiful woman. So Mr Police Officer, tell me what Alex Jones is wrong about, don't dodge the question officer.

C'mon copper, don't dodge the question. What does Alex Jones get wrong. Who are you NSA? FBI?

No no, I want YOU to explain what he's lying about.

That is him, you fucking idiot.

So Jones ISN'T lying then, then whats your fucking point asshole?

Go eat some fucking donuts pig, you've nothing on Jones, you cant give me ONE instance where he was lying, know why? There is none. Your an agent, a shit one at that. Jesus is a metaphor for the sun, thats why its behind his head, the twelve apostles are the twelve months of the year. Look at the crescent moon sideway and you'll see why the devil has horns on his head. I know my shit chief, so does Jones. COINTELPRO dirty tricks, infiltrate forums, message boards etc and spread disinfo. Seriously your scum, just hang yourself tonight, please. The world will be a better place, and you and I know it, your filth, a CIA scumbag who'll finally do the honourable thing tonight and look up how to make a noose. Cunt.

No your a Fed.

No, I'm a Fed. I'm watching you Kevin.

I don't doubt it.

I genuinely thought you were a troll too. Wow. Just Wow. Must tell Obama about this

Then off you go.

Few details please, for my own curiosity / dissident database, whichevers more comfortable.

Do you have a job?

Do you think the moon landings were faked?

Do you genuinely believe me when I say I'm a government agent?

All being fair you can have three questions back.

Nice reply, internet badman.

I think it's more likely Jones is COINTELPRO than the other way around.

Few details please, for my own curiosity / dissident database, whichevers more comfortable.

Do you have a job?

Do you think the moon landings were faked?

Do you genuinely believe me when I say I'm a government agent?

All being fair you can have three questions back.

I'll see if i can find the link to the Stansberry story I found and yes i read about his stock scams too, real nasty stuff. Also, I was wondering if this topic ever came up in the Info Wars official forums (of which i do not frequent). I for one would like to hear Jones's side of the story or if not his then maybe someone who works for him. An explanation is definitely in order. Perhaps someone should start a thread there if one hasn't already been created and if it has, keep bumping it until someone comes clean. And hey, do you have a link to the Stansberry story you found, I like to read that.

Nice reply, internet badman.