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This should be our motto.

I thought that's why many of us are here anyway. How else are we going to learn the ways of the Illuminati, NWO, Freemasons, Lucifarians, or Reptilians? This subreddit is 66% bots, 22% tinfoil hat/curious, 1% schizophrenics, and 10% Illuminati operatives working to bring about the Great Work.

I'm upvoting you because I saw what you did there and it's quite clever.

I'm not entirely sure what you did there, but does it have something to do with the fact that you only account for 99%? Is the remaining 1% also the schizophrenics?

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The remaining 1% is the schizophrenics' imaginary friends.

r/conspiracy conscripts conspiring conspirators conspiring

I upvote anything I read and find interesting on a daily basis

There's only a handful of conspiracy websites. I'm sure many of us here also frequent one or two of the others. Reddit is not THE network, but it is an important part of it. It's an important platform for sharing data, but not for directing action.

Of course there is a revolution going on right now, but this revolution must happen without direction. We can't tell people what to do, or what to think. You may feel that you have this bright new light of Truth, but if you start shining it in people's faces you will only encourage defensiveness. Besides; telling people what the truth is, is infringing on their right to freewill.

As the world changes, more and more people will be kicked out of their simple worldview and be looking for a worldview that better explains their observed reality. Our job is to be there when they decide to look for us. Our job is to trailblaze a path for others to find. We must encourage the conditions for the revolution, but not impose our expectations on the world. To act without acting. To do what is right for you, don't lecture others on what's right for them.

The music is already playing. Don't try to beat the drums to your own tune, learn to sync yourself to the rhythm that is already playing. Resonate with the theme that feels best for you if you want to be a part of the music.

tl;dr "Uniting" rhetoric is fascist, that's not the revolution we need.

I like this.

Part of the problem is likely the habit of posting to the conspiracy website, as opposed to the original source of the information. Dialog is hard to initiate if the information is discredited (fairly or unfairly) based upon the source URL. The message can be lost before it is even transmitted.

I think that's part of our role. Who plays the gatekeepers? An elite hierarchy of corporate stakeholders, or an organic network of concerned citizens? We're quickly replacing the old structures and we're not very good at it yet. So we practice. You can't dance your first time out. We watch what others do, match what we like, change what we don't. Etch your perspective on to the groupthink's creation. Each post is much more then a link, it's also what the hivemind does with it. Not every source is going to be very credible. Everyone's got a bias, and everyone's got interests to protect. We're here to sort through the shit to find our own credible worldview, then resonate with it. Obviously there's not just one correct worldview. We make the world rich with a diversity of perspective. If you start lecturing people on what websites are credible, and which ones are just biased propaganda, you're just trying to impose your worldview. There is no objective truth of which to measure bias.

My previous comment was not intended as a lecture regarding credibility of any particular website insomuch as seeing an alternative way of putting forth the same information without triggering the preconceived bias that the intended audience might already have.

The role is not to validate/invalidate websites, but it is foolhardy not to take into account the preconceived bias of one's target audience. For instance, I could link to At Reactor, Damage Worse Than Feared, from which I must certainly realize that many of the hive will immediately dismiss without so much as a glance, purely on the URL. If I choose, instead, to link to At Reactor, Damage Worse Than Feared (original source), it is less likely to suffer from being immediately dismissed due to the preconceived bias of many in the hive mind. I've got nothing personal against Jones. I just use his site as an obvious example.

Everyone's got a bias, and everyone's got interests to protect. We're here to sort through the shit to find our own credible worldview, then resonate with it. Obviously there's not just one correct worldview.

Isn't this what Lippman was describing in his publication, Public Opinion?

"The private citizen, beset by partisan appeals for the loan of his Public Opinion, will soon see, perhaps, that these appeals are not a compliment to his intelligence, but an imposition on his good nature and an insult to his sense of evidence." - Walter Lippman

As concerned citizens, are we not served more by a dialog regarding truth, rather than fighting over the credibility of a website? Linking unnecessarily to what some consider a questionable website (again, fairly or unfairly) only dilutes and interferes with the dialog.

I agree with you, I'm just pointing out how it's also important to do our part not to play into preconceived notions of who's credible and who's not. On r/conspiracy we may post an Alex Jones article (for example), so as a concerned citizen you then find a more palatable version of the information to pass on the r/news, politics, economics, whatever. However, at r/conspiracy I think we make the assumption that people choose to be here because they've already made the choice to start down the rabbit hole.

This is such a good point it is almost guaranteed to be downvoted to oblivion.

You know you are in /r/conspiracy right?

Can you explain this slightly obtuse comment?

First, obtuse in what way?

I'm assuming you want me to explain?

His points are embraced by /r/conspiracy he isn't challenging anything in /r/conspiracy. You comment alluded to the idea that you don't really understand this community.

When I made my comment he was at 2up/4down.

You're late to the party, so, clearly you don't get the context of my comment. Welcome.

He has still been downvoted at what is currently 29up/9down. This is emblematic of the fact that sensible coherent comments get downvoted all the time in r/conspiracy.

The fact that you think you 'understand' this sub-reddit better than anyone is more than a little arrogant, which to me makes your comment laughable.

If you can't see the strengths and the weaknesses of this subreddit, you've got your blinders on.

When I made my comment he was at 2up/4down.

I guess I'll have to take your word for it. Why call me obtuse then? When I commented it certainly wasn't 2up/4down. it was more like it is now, with around 20 upvotes.

You're late to the party, so, clearly you don't get the context of my comment. Welcome.

see above. (now you just look like an ass)

He has still been downvoted at what is currently 29up/9down. This is emblematic of the fact that sensible coherent comments get downvoted all the time in r/conspiracy.

For being here a year you don't really understand how reddit works do you?

The fact that you think you 'understand' this sub-reddit better than anyone is more than a little arrogant, which to me makes your comment laughable.

Nice strawman. You should put down the shovel.

If you can't see the strengths and the weaknesses of this subreddit, you've got your blinders on.

Put down the shovel.

You think because this username is a year old, I've only been here a year?

Hahaha.

You really don't know how reddit works do you?

Hahaha

If you have a problem with me for another reason just say so, but this weak condescension is revealing you as an impotent old man.

Keep at it internet tough guy.

so your strategy is to ignore the last few comments? Wave your hands and try to change the focus? Isn't that what you despise?

Dude, what is your problem?

r/conspiracy has some aggressive downvoters. This is not a controversial statement of fact.

Everything else in this conversation is your attitude and me wondering why you have the attitude.

State your business or go back to the underside of your bridge.

You're making yourself look like a toothless old man.

State your business or go back to the underside of your bridge.

I think it mostly boils down to this comment:

Can you explain this slightly obtuse comment?

In what way was I being obtuse?

Obtuse: difficult to comprehend: not clear or precise in thought or expression.

Used in reply to this comment:

You know you are in /r/conspiracy right?

This question suggests I'm not aware of the objective reality that I'm in r/conspiracy. Which is effectively a snide assessment that my opinion (that there is rabid downvoting in r/conspiracy) is wholly inaccurate.

I ask you to explain your comment or at the very least expand on the passive aggressive nature of your comment.

To which you suggest I don't really know how the r/conspiracy community works.

Here you are suggesting there is no wild downvoting in r/conspiracy.

Obviously, someone who has been here for 5 years would have noticed the downvoting, right?

Then you start to degenerate into mental illness drivel...

So back to you being obtuse. Say what you mean. Drop the 'old school' attitude. Don't be passive aggressive.

Be a man.

Are we clear?

first off. you don't use the colored pipe unless you are quoting.

you didn't say this, it's a shit way to use the colored pipe.

But that's just figuring out how the site works. Lets move on. You say that the definition of Obtuse is "difficult to comprehend: not clear or precise in thought or expression."

Ok. It's not the most common, in fact It was hard for me to find that definition. but I eventually did in some marion webster version from 2003.

But then why when I initially asked you in the first comment did you reply

When I made my comment he was at 2up/4down. You're late to the party, so, clearly you don't get the context of my comment. Welcome.

But you must have known that when I made my comment he was far into the positives. Did you just not bother to check? That doesn't makes sense though, why bother defending your remark? So you must have known that it had changed.

Seriously, why keep up this charade?

At the time he was at 29up/9down (a point you have forgotten to acknowledge) and now he is at 30up/13 down.

Do you really think he deserves those downvotes?

We agree that his comment is excellent, why don't you think it's weird that such a good comment would get so many downvotes?

Why keep up this charade? Do you not have RES? Why are you being such a childish cunt about the format?

• This is what this whole thing boils down to:

You made a passive aggressive remark to me and I've let you know what I think about people that do that. You can continue to defend your indefensible decision with appeals to your own authority but it all comes back to you being kind of a jerk. Here's a lesson for you, treat people with respect and they won't call you out for being a stupid bastard.

Are we clear?

At the time he was at 29up/9down

So then why say:

This is such a good point it is almost guaranteed to be downvoted to oblivion.

Then you say

a point you have forgotten to acknowledge

Which is a little silly since it basically is one of my points.

This is going nowhere. You are never wrong. It's a superpower you will always have. I can only hope you use your super powers away from me and it not include a wife or kids. Please let it not include offspring.

LOL

You can't even get the order of my comments right.

How can you expect to make an argument when you can't get the causal chain in place?

You fail. At this, and at life.

Mess with the bull you get the horns. Keep your distance and I won't make you keep explaining yourself.

Mess with the bull you get the horns.

Is this the horns?

How can you expect to make an argument when you can't get the causal chain in place?

I have no idea what you mean there. Lets move on though.

You can't even get the order of my comments right.

Explain why you said this:

At the time he was at 29up/9down

and this:

This is such a good point it is almost guaranteed to be downvoted to oblivion.

How did I get the order wrong? What were you referring to when you said "at the time"? Did you mean something other than at the time I commented?

obtuse

you keep using that word. Sure you can say it means nebulous but why not just use that word? Obtuse has primarily a different connotation. Do you at least agree with that?

btw, why all the character attacks?

I respond poorly to condescension and passive aggression.

you can't help yourself can you? It's ok! none of it's your fault. Keep on being you! Don't let anyone take that away. You are wonderful!

As far as your character goes, I think I've pretty much nailed it.

hmmm, remember the white house correspondence dinner a week ago or so? Obama displayed a "birth clip" which turned out to be a clip from the lion king.

I read a few comments at a few blogs that were in the vein: 'LOL the unintended irony is that the lion king scene was set in africa! LOL'

Your comment reminds me of this.

Why are you being so obtuse?

Whatever dude. You are right. Obtuse means what ever the fuck you want it to mean.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obtuse

Why are you being such a child?

You don't even get it do you? You probably even think this is obtuse.

What do you mean by 'it'?

You aren't being clear.

I hope, in time, to help you to better understand the English language, but I see it may take some time.

Too bad everyone thinks everyone else is a disinfo agent.

If that ain't shill talk, I dunno what is. Shill!

Takes one to know one!

You have that right!

In fairness, some of us are. Sorry about that.

Wait, so are you here to spread propaganda? Who do you work for? I understand 'disinfo agents' need to exist, so I won't be angry if you say yes. I would be very fascinated and would have a dozen questions, one would be asking for a job lol. Hey, if you can't beat them, join them. Right? But seriously, if you have knowledge spill some please.

Obviously, I cannot confirm nor deny the assumption you're making.

I'm guessing a disinfo agent would never admit to being one, as that would run counter to their very goals, whatever they may be.

Then again, I suspect nobody really think of themselves as a disinfo agent. Was the facebook snowjob on google's privacy practices an act of disinformation? Maybe. Yet none of the items used were false, and the folks working at the company hired to do it don't think of themselves as "disinfo agents". (Note that these things happen all the time, the difference being that they're usually done much better, and don't get exposed this way.)

If you like that line of business, you'll want to get a job at a PR firm. You're not doing anything with that soul anyhow.

That is sadly by design, it's all meant to seem very confusing. It's quite brilliant really, but also quite evil, and most average citizens fall victim to it.

Nice try.

Everyone is a disinfo agent at one point or another. Some people never notice.

Nice try, disinfo agent.

I bet at least half are government sock-puppet accounts used to down-vote stories submitted to this reddit.

And the rest of us are skeptics in need of a laugh

I knew I wasn't alone here.

Oh lord no you're not, this subreddit is hilarious!

Almost everyday I see something from this subreddit on the front page and my first thought is "Holy crap!" but then I read where it was submitted.

Hello my brother and welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ-uV72pQKI

and the rest of us are just asking hard questions and find them worded best herein.

I'm just a boss.

This is what I was thinking as well. Skeptics Unite.

Even if that were true, those government workers would be affected by the words here. Information and culture are immensely powerful, never stop spreading it!

Start by upvoting the vidoes showing what's really going on in Fukushima

Always.

I googled "what is happening in fukushima" and got a ton of results (too many to watch), can you post one that summarizes what they all say?

Fairewinds provides regular updates. I posted the update for today over at r/worldnews. Is this better suited for r/conspiracy?

What do you guys think about this page: http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/

Appears to be translating the news from Japanese.

r/conspiracy has a bad connotation with it. if ya'll really wanna get some good press you should get sneaky and create another subreddit with a dem/rep-friendly name like r/indienews or r/ireport. that way you won't get the insane number of downvotes (mostly by people who don't read or contribute to the discussion) that happen to come w/ the r/conspiracy tag.

Introducing: r/notconspiracy

Man, seriously. I understand that there are conspiracies, and there are many people here who are rational individuals who just want the truth, but when I hear conspiracy I think "BREAKING NEWS US MILITARY COMMANDER ADVISED BY HITLER'S BRAIN IN A JAR."

First something of value needs to be posted. Then we can talk about uniting and getting on the front page.

Yeah but people think they're posting "valuable" information when they link to dumb youtube videos about Reptilians and other nonsensical idiocy. The problem is that these people, who honestly and legitimately believe the hogwash they read about, have just as much saying power as others who may be much more informed. Then, when someone posts something of actual merit, the Reptilian bullshit gets more upvotes than truthful submissions.

Truth. I just wish that in order to post you must also provide credible sources (ie not shitty quality youtube videos done by some guy in his basement). I know that many would say that since it's a conspiracy there are no credible sources. And in some cases that may be true, and I'm willing to broaden my definition of "credible sources" in these cases, but some of the stuff that's posted here is utter (Dale Gribble level) bullshit. I joined here to learn about how the government is working illegally with corporations and other such cover-ups. Wikileaks type shit. And while I'm ranting, I'll just go ahead and say it: Why do so many here post links to RT (Russia Today)? Can't you see that everything they print/put on TV is the most bias crap around. I'd rather listen to O'Riley than the crap on RT. Some of you need to take a college course where you're required to write a report backed up with credible sources. I bet many here would fail.

Sorry for the rant. I just think that we're squandering what could be a very good subreddit.

I just think that we're squandering what could be a very good subreddit.

This is exactly how I feel, there are so many of us that dedicate so much time to the spreading of truth that we would be hard to ignore if we all came together and worked toward a goal. The only thing standing in our way is all the disinformation that we need to sift through.

Front page is dependent on which reddits you're subscribed to.

And if you're not registered, I think it's content from all of the default reddits.

Skeptic here as well. That said, I do subscribe to some fringe stuff though since data supports it even though popular opinion deems it a loony conspiracy theory.

I prefer the label, Factual theorist on things like whats happening to our economy ie. intentional destruction.

HEY, FRIEND! FIRST OF ALL, GREAT IDEA! UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT A LOT OF SUBSCRIBERS JUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY THINK IT'S INTERESTING AESTHETICALLY, OR FUNNY, RATHER THAN ACTUALLY TAKING WHAT'S HERE SERIOUSLY. THAT SAID, GOOD LUCK!

You should never be downvoted, have an upvote

i'm skeptical that you can get 33,340 people to work together secretly to get something to the front page. sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. ;-)

Also need to keep in mind that it probably isnt 33k unique users. Personally I have my main account subscribed and my 3-4 troll accounts subscribed as well.

Just 3 or 4? I command a virtual army!!

"Go and do my bidding...whatever that may be."

ironic =)

one problem: no matter how in-your-face, truthfully, and logically you can present problems, some people will argue against their own best interest until their last breath.

What on earth makes you think you know what is or is not in someone else's best interest? O.o

so... you're saying the nazi party was a good thing? was in "everyone's" best interest?

What the hell? What on earth does this have to do with Nazis? O.o

My point was, I don't think any person or group of people should have any say over what is or isn't in someone else's best interest. So, the opposite of the Nazis, really.

well then, we shouldn't've invaded germany, should we have?

You're making a series of allegations without saying at all how they relate to the subject matter. I can't tell if you're trolling, or just very stupid. I don't think I'll be replying to you on this thread again unless you tell me which.

pussy out, fascist apologist?

guess what...

that is not my problem. it's yours.

Yep, definitely not trolling. Just stupid.

dear OP,

I absolutely agree we should forcefully interject ourselves into the attention spans of broader audiences. I see two main obstacles that must be dealt with before this is possible. First and foremost, it seems that many here, despite believing sincerely in their pet causes, have fallen for the trap of believing they, themselves, are just as illegitimate as the mainstream assumes them to be. This standpoint causes many to conclude supporting these causes is either ethically or rationally inappropriate in some way. The other issue, as I'm sure you would expect, is simply an issue of credibility. It will take a very particular message indeed to inspire the unified support of this board's participants, and that message will likely require a further specificity still if it is to be accepted by the mainstream rather than ignored.

for this to be accomplished, we need volunteers interacting willfully, not coincidental agreement in public discussions.

r/conspiracy should choose a time each day (let's say 1pm eastern time for example) where the most important r/conspiracy story of the day is posted to r/politics and upvoted by the everyone. It's not so much gaming Reddit if we keep it to one story a day, plus, it might even help r/politics learn a thing or two.

/politics/ might be full of enough shit already though.

Maybe if 95% of the stuff wasn't fake...

AND if 95% of the profiles here werent profiles used for downvoting ehh? ehh?

There's a conspiracy for ya! -.-

If nothing happens in 2012 we can wait till 2021 or till the next prophecy/doomsday-year! . .

yet again > -.-

To start off, I would recommend everyone educate themselves on the nature of the conspiracy we all face. The best source of information on it is actually the Illuminati's own website, and they've been updating it with a new article every so often (it seems to be once every 2 weeks). Who knows, if we educate ourselves en masse we may be potential candidates for joining the Illuminati ourselves, as they are always searching for more members.

The Illuminati's own blog

I can definitely say I'm informed on this subject, if anyone needs any clarification or has any questions feel free to ask and I'll answer as best I can for you.

I have many questions, I'll ask a few. They clam to be the one true religion, with proof, right? What or who exactly do they worship? They also clam to be protectors of some great secret and if the public ever found out it would cause a violent upheaval or "cataclysm" as he put it. Are you aware of this secret? I'm not religious myself, but I am open to the idea of a supreme creator of some sort. I just need to see the evidence. How could they possibly know something like that? It seems to me that they are simply lying about it to make themselves seem more powerful, a man made secret. Like, only the people at the tip top know it's a lie but the 'Illuminati' members below them truly believe in this secret god and it gives them a feeling of self-worth because they belong to a powerful organization. They use the lie to keep their members obedient and in order... That's my secular take on it because like I said I find it hard to believe in god but I don't rule it out completely. Or maybe the secret is that we have ET creators? And did they create all the other religions for some hidden reason? And lastly for now, why do they hate the human race so much?

What or who exactly do they worship?

Worship may be a misnomer, but for the sake of answering your question I'll say that they worship the eternal soul that resides in all of us. Only the human spirit is capable of assimilating with God, at least for now.

They also clam to be protectors of some great secret and if the public ever found out it would cause a violent upheaval or "cataclysm" as he put it. Are you aware of this secret?

Indeed.

I'm not religious myself, but I am open to the idea of a supreme creator of some sort. I just need to see the evidence.

Subconsciously, everyone worships the same God, even atheists. You are religious, you're just not aware of it. You live day by day being exempt from the actual acknowledgement, which doesn't really matter at all. It's what you utilize your existence for that determines your relationship with your inner God. There is nothing but evidence no matter where you look.

How could they possibly know something like that?

The depths of which the human mind can conceptualize is solid proof of God itself. The human mind is so powerful it can experience more thoughts than particles in the universe.The Illuminati go back very far, before the Illuminati was the Illuminati (Pythagoras is responsible for turning it into an official organization, before then Illuminists were just nomadic mystics that held on to extremely ancient pieces of mankind's secret history). Many thousands of years ago, people were much more aware of the nature of reality and the universe itself. These people were responsible for tracking and interpreting the shifting of constellations as a representative concept of the evolutionary pathway our Milky Way is taking us on, which determines our cognitive abilities. These were the first people to be able to chronicle the rate of our evolution, within our specific galaxy. Henceforth, the mysteries of the workings of the universe were revealed for mankind to utilize but most of that information has been destroyed by the lineage of the conspirators we're familiar with.

It seems to me that they are simply lying about it to make themselves seem more powerful, a man made secret. Like, only the people at the tip top know it's a lie but the 'Illuminati' members below them truly believe in this secret god and it gives them a feeling of self-worth because they belong to a powerful organization.

Anyone who has that mindset would never be permitted entry to the Illuminati. They seek only the "heroes", aka the people who truly bring change to the world. Examples include Thomas Jefferson, Pythagoras, Carl Jung and Paul Revere. How could an organization based on a lie successfully exist, especially for 10,000 years?!

I find it hard to believe in god but I don't rule it out completely.

You seem to be very close to the greatest epiphany of your lifetime. Let me say this: Anything that requires belief in is AUTOMATICALLY FALSE. Belief asserts submission to falsifications, which is the natural enemy of all truth. If you seek the truth long enough and with the strongest objectivity, you will become aware of who you really are and why you truly exist.

And did they create all the other religions for some hidden reason?

No, their (our) enemy did. This requires an extremely lengthy description of how and why, which is actually all laid out on the Illuminati's site. Read the articles on there and you will learn, but use your own intuition to put the pieces of the puzzle together for yourself.

And lastly for now, why do they hate the human race so much?

This is the furthest thing from the truth. Without them, I highly doubt the human race would be able to save itself. What I think you're actually directing that question at is their enemy, which seek only to maximize the ruthless acquisition of power and at such an extent that they will effectively erase their own spirit (a strange deadness appears in their eyes, as evident here ). The permanent destruction of one's inner spirit is the only way to harness the maximum amount of power, which they will do anything to get. Only Jews are capable of such a betrayal against mankind, since it was their lineage that first began this 10,000 year-old plot to permanently enslave the population.

I think it should be noted that the "Illuminati" you're referring to is actually just another ploy by the same conspirators, since only they have access to the spread of information (media moguls) they can deceive potential truth-seekers into fighting their own allies with the spreading of misinformation and propaganda. That's the reason there are so many videos and blogs about the Illuminati being a Satanic NWO Reptilian cult, because of how much influence those in power have, they masterfully conceive a way to effortlessly but effectively mislead people into such misinterpretations. And anyone reading this with the idea that the Illuminati are our sworn enemy are victims of more disinformation campaigns and mental ploys. Without the Illuminati, we would not have experienced any revolutions. To be frank, we would most likely be in a third-world status. This disinformation/misinformation/propaganda is explained in detail on their site as well.

I never thought getting high on information was possible, but I feel like I'm staring through a small hole in a gigantic window with the universe on the other side, emitting rays brighter than the sun but they don't hurt my eyes. You seem so smart and wise to all of this, my gut is telling me to trust your words and I trust my gut 100% of the time...

So you are aware of the secret? Can you divulge any info about it? If not, can you at least give me a hint or clue, a starting point so I can continue obsessing only with some actual direction?

It makes sense that mankind's secret history was held onto (or guarded) by the brightest and most powerful people of the time. I don't understand how this knowledge came to exist. Was it acquired through discovery? Created by the elite through poetry and power for secret reasons? or possibly handed down to humans? You said it was revealed for mankind to utilize, why would anyone want to destroy something so precious? I am most curious about this. Why would they allow our species grow ignorant and stupid? Is this the works of their enemy? Are the Jews the enemy? And does the Illuminati try to stop them at all?

I heard the Knights Templar were sort of the original Illuminati. I know they had the wealth, but did they have the knowledge? Then they disappeared underground for centries and slowly emerged very powerful because they infiltrated the free masons, our government and other elitist groups. Sorry, I feel like I'm all over the place, is this making any sense?

I think it was a misnomer when I said they lied about the secret. What I tried to say was this; Is it possible that the early humans didn't quite understand what they were thinking about, so the conclusions they passed down were actually just very poetic feelings or ideas about the nature of our existence?

I hope you are right about me being close to an epiphany because I strive for it literally 24/7. You're last paragraph cleared up so many things for me, it's starting to make sense.(I hope) One thing I still don't understand, if the Illuminati really is trying to protect mankind from our enemy, why does it seem like they're loosing? With the massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super rich at the top, millions loosing their homes, soon millions will be starving to death, 85% of college graduates move back home, jobs are gone. I am about to turn 24 and I'm quickly loosing hope and the will to go on and honestly I put that moderately. I fear the remainder of my life will be fighting to keep my soul afloat.

So you are aware of the secret? Can you divulge any info about it? If not, can you at least give me a hint or clue, a starting point so I can continue obsessing only with some actual direction?

This is a little too vague for a glib answer, if you were to be a little more specific on what it is that you're confused about I could help clarify.

It makes sense that mankind's secret history was held onto (or guarded) by the brightest and most powerful people of the time. I don't understand how this knowledge came to exist. Was it acquired through discovery?

Yes, many years ago. You can discover it for yourself, most people do through either mathematics or philosophy.

Created by the elite through poetry and power for secret reasons?

They only use it for exploitation purposes, but no.

or possibly handed down to humans?

Nah, no alien stuff here. Actually, the reason why Earth has so many visits from foreign spacecrafts is because aliens around the universe are extremely intrigued by us humans, because of the knowledge we have and how we live. If you were ever wondering, there is nothing but life in the universe. Aliens do exist and there are a LOT of them.

You said it was revealed for mankind to utilize, why would anyone want to destroy something so precious?

The reason you ask this question and why you don't understand it is because you have a soul. To answer briefly, it's because God stands in Satan's way for ultimate control and power. If everyone was spiritually aware, Satan would cease to exist.

Why would they allow our species grow ignorant and stupid? Is this the works of their enemy? Are the Jews the enemy? And does the Illuminati try to stop them at all?

Now you're getting it!

I heard the Knights Templar were sort of the original Illuminati. I know they had the wealth, but did they have the knowledge?

The original Illuminists were just nomadic mystics that traveled around and kept pieces of ancient history safe, some were found by the enemy and horrifically slaughtered while their works and manuscripts were burned. Hypatia was one of these unfortunate cases, she was a Greek philosopher with extensive knowledge of astronomy. The Knights Templar, like Freemasonry, was a creation of the Illuminati to reach out to more people. That's really all it was, as for the direction that the Knights Templar took I'm not sure and no one really is.

I think it was a misnomer when I said they lied about the secret. What I tried to say was this; Is it possible that the early humans didn't quite understand what they were thinking about, so the conclusions they passed down were actually just very poetic feelings or ideas about the nature of our existence?

Nope, they completely and perfectly understood everything about the nature of reality and whatever could come of it. The whole "Mayan calendar 2012 z0mg" thing was actually just an extension of this. The Mayans were able to pinpoint the exact rate of evolution according to the constellations, and we are nearing the end of our first stage. Our next stage of evolution is hyperreality, which we're actually seeing early.

I hope you are right about me being close to an epiphany because I strive for it literally 24/7.

It sounds to me like you're closer than you think. If you read the Illuminati's whole site you probably won't have many questions left to ask.

One thing I still don't understand, if the Illuminati really is trying to protect mankind from our enemy, why does it seem like they're loosing?

They aren't, they've already won. They're waiting for the perfect time to set off a spark that can't be stopped, and once its run its course mankind will experience for the first time in a LONG time true freedom and progress.

With the massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super rich at the top, millions loosing their homes, soon millions will be starving to death, 85% of college graduates move back home, jobs are gone.

Sadly, for how bad things have gotten in America people still don't want to turn off American Idol or Monday night football to get out and do something useful. They just want to be left alone with World of Warcraft and their shopping malls. The Illuminati won't do all the work for us, they can only guide us. It's up to us and only us to make a stand against the forces that have oppressed us all our lives.

I fear the remainder of my life will be fighting to keep my soul afloat.

You are extremely lucky to live in a time like this because you and the rest of the world will take part in the greatest revolution the UNIVERSE has ever seen. In 5 years you will live in a completely changed world where you can carry on with your life exactly how you'd like to. I'm in just about the same boat you are, I was schemed out of my job a month ago and now I'm too broke to even feed myself. Every day I have to go out and figure out how to get money to eat, as many Americans probably do. The best advice I can give is to be optimistic, if you keep a strong will you can help accelerate this process. A good goal to set is helping Ron Paul win the presidency, for starters.

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to answer my long messages. I shall spend my days on that website reading. I am beginning to realize that pretty much everything I thought I knew about the Illuminati was wrong, thanks to the propaganda and disinfo spread by the enemy. Now I just need to figure out what the Jews motivation is, their motive's and goals. Is it a power thing? Are they striving to rule Earth and human beings? I know they own and control just about all of the mainstream media, Hollywood, the major cable networks; shitty reality tv shows and sports entertainment etc, the education system, the US government, and other giant aspects of the typical daily life of an average American. Am I wrong?

Do you know anything about the aliens? I kind of knew that life is abundant throughout the universe. How could it not be!? Actually, for a while I thought they might be the enemy the Illuminati speaks of. Why haven't they presented themselves to us? Maybe they know we are not ready? Can some really take the form of a human and walk among us to perhaps study us? Are they extra dimensional, existing in a higher density or whatever? Can they read our thoughts? What are their goals? Have they infiltrated the military industrial complex? I know these are big questions, I'm just so f'in curious about them. But, I have seen no evidence or proof so I'm still on the fence. I feel so small lol. Correction, I am so small. Thanks again for your time and patience. Much love.

But then I skim through things like this book and it makes me wonder if they are truly the evil ones... an enemy of The People... sigh*

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to answer my long messages.

I'm just glad that there are still some ears to listen.

I am beginning to realize that pretty much everything I thought I knew about the Illuminati was wrong, thanks to the propaganda and disinfo spread by the enemy.

You're like 50 years ahead of the people here that post things like "OMG ILLUMINATI NWO ONE-WORLD GUBBERNMINT LOLIZARDZ"

Now I just need to figure out what the Jews motivation is, their motive's and goals. Is it a power thing? Are they striving to rule Earth and human beings?

It's as simple as that, you've answered your own question.

I know they own and control just about all of the mainstream media, Hollywood, the education system, the US government, and other giant aspects of the typical daily life of an average American. Am I wrong?

You're spot-on.

Can some really take the form of a human and walk among us to perhaps study us? Are they extra dimensional, existing in a higher density or whatever? Can they read our thoughts?

This is where the Reptilian shape-shifting theory stemmed from. Fuck no.

But then I skim through things like this book and it makes me wonder if they are truly the evil ones... an enemy of The People... sigh*

Reeks of sensational bullshit. A pro tip to keep in mind when stumbling upon propaganda such as this is replace "Illuminati" with "the elite" and it won't be as confusing. People confuse the two, despite them being polar opposites.

The Illuminati have a few free ebooks available for download on their site that they consider extremely important reading. The books were written by a ghost writer hired by one of the members of the Illuminati, I have all of them in my ebook library if you'd like me to upload them for you.

Haha yeah I found it hard to buy into that Reptilian/ Insectoid theory. So are they capable of efficient space travel?

Yes of course, I would love if you did that. No rush, do it when you have the time. I actually think I heard of them, it's like a series of 3 or 4 books? I heard one book out of them is actually more relieving then they wanted it to be. I heard the author exposed more than he was supposed to or something? Are they the books you have?

So are they capable of efficient space travel?

I can't say for certain but it does appear so.

Are they the books you have?

Yes

Beautiful, thank you sir! Is there an order in which to read them, i.e. is it a series or are they independent from each other?

Nope, they are independent from each other. Next year the final book of the "series" comes out, entitled Soul Camera and will reveal the most of the Illuminati's secret.

Do you think the masses will ever be able to wake up to this reality without being blinded by Jewish propaganda and other bullshit? I think it will take 50 - 100 years for every single person to 'wake up' spiritually. Does the Illuminati even want that? I think it's easier for my generation and younger, but it's my parents generation and their parents who might never wake up. I try to enlighten my mother to the best of my current abilities, but she is just so extremely brainwashed, it's actually really sad. She doesn't even believe in an elite ruling class and I can't convince her otherwise, at all! I think she will die never knowing why she existed or what her soul really feels like... not that I do, but I like to think I get closer and closer to the universe and myself everyday.

Sidenote: Is the Illuminati really trying to reduce the population to under 1 billion? That's another NWO thing people always rant about. It sounds more like the Jews want that, but people only associate population reduction to the Illuminati.

What is your take on the afterlife? Does you're soul really move on? Does it depend on how you lived your life, if you were good, eternal bliss, if bad, you burn? It all seems like fear mongering to me. And do other 'nonthinking' animals have souls, if so they should pass on as well, right? I find it hard to believe that any living person knows 100% what happens, but I'd like to hear your opinion.

Do you think the masses will ever be able to wake up to this reality without being blinded by Jewish propaganda and other bullshit?

That depends on what you mean by "masses", but I take it you mean the hordes of ignorant fodder? For those that don't want to, they won't be helped. They have chosen their own fate and are content with it, as horrific as that is.

I think it will take 50 - 100 years for people to 'wake up' spiritually. Does the Illuminati even want that?

Nope, we simply don't have the time to waste sitting around for these ignorant fuckheads to wise up and do something for once in their meaningless lives. The Illuminati only want the heroes, i.e. the people who take it upon themselves to right the wrongs and to stand up for the truth.

t's my parents generation and their parents who might never wake up. I try to enlighten my mother to the best of my current abilities, but she is just so extremely brainwashed, it's actually really sad. She doesn't even believe in an elite ruling class and I can't convince her otherwise, at all! I think she will die never knowing why she existed or what her soul really feels like

I was there too but I stopped caring and decided the best course of action would be to let it go, it's not up to me to help everyone, especially those that don't want it. Who SHOULD worry about these people anyway? They are a waste of resources, they simply live for the sake of not being dead. That's about it. Your time on Earth is finite and if you waste it trying to cure others, you would take away from the better experiences you could have in place of the time you spent trying to enlighten the ignorant hordes of dumbfucks.

What is your take on the afterlife?

The word "God" is actually an acronym. It stands for:

• Generation
• Operation
• Destruction

God is what generates you, operates you, and is where you return when you die. Upon death you lose your physical body but your soul remains intact. Honestly the best idea of death that I can give you is through the music of death metal, take this for example

Does it depend on how you lived your life

It is the culmination of all truth ever expressed in your lifetime, but yes, absolutely. If your true motives behind your life were to deceptively fuck other people over with the intent to benefit only you at the cost of them, THAT truth will become visible to you upon death (as if people like George Bush and Obama didn't make it obvious enough...). All the morally correct things you've done throughout your life will glow with an amplification that only death can express (even simple tasks as helping people cross the street, or providing someone with medical aid). The stronger your spirit is, the stronger influence you will have over every particle in the entire universe. At the base of everything is just a thought, and the willpower expressed by thoughts brands a "species" (even matter is entirely thoughts, however at a specific unique frequency).

And do other 'nonthinking' animals have souls, if so they should pass on as well, right?

Everything has a soul. That's what generates such uniqueness throughout the universe. Look at Earth, even the human population. NO one is the same, we are all different in our very own ways. It doesn't matter how small the organism is, there is a soul in everything. But yes, even they do. Animals just aren't as mature as we are, spiritually.

I've always been a huge metalhead, love it... Yes, that is what I meant by masses, the waste of resources, the empty loads of protoplasm, constantly breeding, polluting, for they know nothing else. I can't help but feel bad for them because the sensation I feel from even slight enlightenment is incredible. But I can't see my pity for them lasting long. If they need to fill the hole in their soul with t.v.,booze, food, children and other garbage and spend zero time filling it with knowledge then so be it. You're right, you can't waste time trying to change them. I can't even describe right now the feeling of obtaining these small puzzle pieces to this grand puzzle. It lifts depression, it actually makes me feel like a little kid again or something. I'm not being cliché, that's how it feels. I have much to learn and it's exciting.

We need to organize and rally for a new 9/11 (non-governmental) investigation and hold citizen hearings. I don't believe in gaming Reddit. Organic is always better.

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But how is that different from checking the sub-reddit and up-voting worthwhile postings.

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because this subreddit has been infiltrated by trolls that downvote anything against their status quo. Anyone could be a corporate shill.. That's the problem.

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First positive action post ive seen in all my years in reddit.

If pulled off properly, cause and effect will shift some positive change throughout the world.

If you want a message to be sent across tho. I recommend something within the aspects of sustainability/food/permaculture. Why? 80% of the entire globes environment issues are caused by how we produce our food (un-sustainably) as well as many of the economic issues globally, illness, big pharma, etc etc all are effects to the root cause... destructive food.

Or better yet, plant a garden on your front lawn. This is the most powerful beneficial protest available to us individuals.

Don't upvote! That's how they figure out how your mind works, man. Upvote this, downvote that, they know your likes and dislikes, man! I've probably said too much already.

I took a risk and upvoted you anyway.

Judging by the high downvote/upvote ratio in this subreddit I doubt you will be able to get much consensus on which stories are worth gaming to the front page.

This forum as little to no moderation, and it's all free reign. A more focused conspiracy board, with a more active moderation would benefit. We still need rules. I'm not against people posting whatever they want. However, this subreddit is dead.

thirty-three thousand subscribers, and "the subreddit is dead."

hahaha!

God damn.

Front page of conspiracy. The two highest threads have 206, and 70 upvotes right now). Most subreddit's get at least 1,000 upvotes on front page threads. Down vote me for this too.

upvoting and downvoting is not a direct correlation of activity in the subreddit.

from what you've stated, i think you would be surprised.

also, i didn't downvote anything. if you're going to be paranoid, quit smoking your stuff.

if you can't stand the risk of being downvoted, STFU.

I'm not sure where you stand. Are you saying that you don't disagree with me?

when you say

Most subreddit's get at least 1,000 upvotes on front page threads

a subreddit cannot own a "get"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Where are you getting your facts? There's a lot more of us than 33 and a third.

That's just what they want us to do.

Well, Which ones are the most important that closed minded people must be shown the truth?

I actually just subscribe to hear what the conpiracy theorists are currently and again and again are talking about.

Honestly, I find a lot interesting yet unable to go full conpiracist.

My favorites are David Ike stories. REPTILES EVERYWHERE.

I'll give you the skinny on the latest:

The bin Laden operation did not go as reported.

1. Bin Laden died years ago and he was not found and shot. The operation was a publicity stunt.
2. Bin Laden is currently in a secret prison somewhere being tortured. That's why there's no evidence of a body.
3. Bin Laden was unarmed when he was shot. Why? Because he knew too much. Either he'd profess his innocence or implicate the government.

No reptiles, but I enjoy that one as well. If you haven't seen They Live, you should definitely check it out.

Duuuuude, I wear special sunglasses all the time ; )

why exactly just try to prove that we can get people to understand things... we should only upvote a single (main) post IF it is important, not upvote stuff that nobody is going to give a shit about, it has to be worth it, maybe stuff that ACTUAL FACTS show how things like 911 are inside jobs..

I just come here to stare into the face of madness...

I like the idea. I've often thought there must be a way to get more attention for some of these posts. It is very rare that a posting from this subreddit makes it to the front page. I don't understand why, because there is definitely interest. What are we doing wrong? Any idea?

I am down for that.

only the crazies are subscribed to r/conspiracy tho!

This subreddit has 33,000; /r/protest has 126. Problem?

Now that I know conspiracy theorists are conspirers, my paranoia has amped up about fifteen notches.

I find conspiracy theorists naive for their belief in some humans' (or aliens' or lizards') almost infinite powers of organisation and secrecy.

"important information" FTFY

Know why you can't get to the front page...it's a conspiracy!

I only subscribe to this subreddit to enjoy the nuttiness.

Just like why I subscribe to /r/Christianity.

You're talking about creating a voting bloc, which will lead to bans by the admins

33,000 + people who trust nobody working together. I don't think it's possible.

if discussing in another /r instead of sending direct link to site send a link which routes through r/conspiracy dicussion thread, maybe they look around conspiracy and find something that isn't insane/doesn't confuse their normalcy bias too much.

This subreddit has almost no credibility. If there's a serious story worthy of a wider audience, you need to find another route to the top.

Heh. I didn't actually read your post, but based on the title alone, I'll tell you this...

I'm ONLY subscribed to this subreddit so that I can see what kind of psycho bullshit you "conspiracy theorists" come up with. I love getting a good laugh in now and then, and seeing some crazy theorist ideas that are spewed out usually gets me that laugh.

It's similar to how an atheist or evolutionist would laugh at a christian or creationist (and sometimes the other way around)... nothing against the person, just don't agree with their ideas.

I would imagine there are quite a few of these 33,340 subscribers that take the same stance as I do... but good luck in your quest to the front page! It's highly unlikely that I'll downvote you unless it's something completely absurd that I would downvote anyway. (I.E. I won't downvote you strictly because I don't wanna see a conspiracy post hit front).

I'm ready for some order on r/conspiracy. I come here everyday to make sure I'm going to make it another day.

I think that before you start shoving your conspiracy theories in people's faces, you should figure out what you believe in first, and why you believe it. Work together to come up with the best kind of presentation you can. Be skeptical of your own assertions, and test everything for evidence. r/skeptic won't help you (they'll just laugh and insult you), you have to be the skeptics. You're responsible for crafting the perfect argument, or a set of really great arguments, showing consequences and connections that are more than tenuous, but clear and easily confirmable. You cannot hope to just shout "9/11 was an inside job, just look at WTC7!!!1!" and expect that just by exposure you'll convince a significant majority. Your strongest weapon is reason, civility, and intellectual collaboration.

That said, you moron conspiratards will never have the organization or the balls to undertake such a project and see it to completion. Nobody will invest the time to read it all because they don't care, it's not relevant to their lives, and they enjoy not being stressed by things that challenge their worldview. So go and continue playing and babbling amongst yourselves about julian assange and how he's a shill or the NWO or mad cow disease, or bigfoot. You'll never win. You don't have the will, you're faint of heart.

Oh yeah, and even if you DID get people to believe you, how are you going to get them to not fall for another lie? 9/11 was an inside job, eh? Who were the insiders? WAs it just bush and cheney? Oh okay, so those two were the bad guys and we'll send them to jail and continue on our way to the nwo. Haha, you loons don't stand a chance.

I guess I'm alone on this--but I like what you did there.

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I love that classic argument. If there's any opposition to what you're talking about, it's automatically a cover up, or the work of disinformation agents. This is one of the reasons people have a hard time taking you guys seriously, no matter how true the information is.

The opportunity has already been granted to us and everyone else with an internet connection. You can't force people to look for this type of content. People have to seek it for themselves.

The truth is self evident. There is no need to worry so much about getting people, who would rather die than put on the sunglasses, to put them on.

I subscribed to laugh at you all.

Front page of conspiracy. The two highest threads have 206, and 70 upvotes right now). Most subreddit's get at least 1,000 upvotes on front page threads. Down vote me for this too.

Takes one to know one!

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The remaining 1% is the schizophrenics' imaginary friends.

You think because this username is a year old, I've only been here a year?

Hahaha.

You really don't know how reddit works do you?

Hahaha

If you have a problem with me for another reason just say so, but this weak condescension is revealing you as an impotent old man.

Keep at it internet tough guy.