Yes, but just because I watch something meant for entertainment on the History Channel doesn't mean I believe that Aliens are visiting our planet so they can reap our gold.
Also, this is on Netflix streaming right now. The people in this series look really strange, probably to discount them. Some of the stuff they say is a little goofy, and obviously slanted. However, some of the more scientific side about building the ancient pyramids was a great section.
I don't understand how their appearance somehow invalidates their theories. Information is information, you judge it on its merits, not by its messenger.
That's the way it should be, but you've met people right? The sheep walking this earth judge so much based on appearance that they tend to ignore the merit of any message.
that fat creepy guy with the lisp talking about the bird in egypt. he would give you this really weird smile right after he finished a sentence that just made me cringe and unfairly discredit whatever he just said.
The thing that I can't wrap my head around is the megalithic stones in various parts of the world. How did they mine, transport and cut the megalithic stones of all sizes.
Also Stonehenge. Not even because of the huge megaliths but because from a top view there are many circle and rings of stone patterns. When this is super imposed onto a scale of the solar system the circle match up perfectly. The amount astronomical knowledge they must have been given.
It's much more likely that aliens appeared at some point in the ten thousand year (give or take) recorded history of humanity than in the past 50 years or so. I'm not saying they were ever here, I'm saying that if I saw them, I'd expect to see them in cave paintings, not in Polaroid snapshots.
It's much more likely that aliens appeared at some point in the ten thousand year (give or take) recorded history of humanity than in the past 50 years or so.
Playing devil's advocate: that's assuming they've left.
If they hadn't left, they'd have to be hiding somewhere. It's not impossible but we've seen no signs that an alien race is concealed in our midst ... unless the theory of shape-shifting lizard overlords is to be taken seriously.
I would bet the farm that we have been visited at least once in the history of our planet. But I see why people would share your opinion.
Soooo many cultures all over the planet have very similar stories though Woburn- "Gods" coming from the heavens. Surely there is a grain of truth to these stories.
I would say that some of these people talk about this stuff to make money, sure. But when you're a full-time UFOlogist, I wouldn't imagine you have much other income coming in to support your day job, so to speak. I think their theories are excellent food for thought and, at the very least, give non-religious folks a reason to give these ancient, Biblical stories a second look and consider how we would tell stories of "Gods" descending from the skies.
If nothing else, it (hopefully) helps people keep an open mind and consider that maybe we don't have the whole story from our past. Just my two pennies.
Think about it, gods have three places to come from. The ground, the ocean, or the sky. The sky makes more sense than the others, even though some religions cite the other two as the origin of humans or their Gods. The sky gives us; life giving rain, sunlight, helps with navigation, and tells us the time of year. To an undeveloped society it would seem all good things come from the sky so god must also come from the sky. Also great unexplained thins happen in the sky like lightning and meteors.
The ancient aliens are a very similar version of us. God made man in his own image.
If people are interested they recently discovered ancient gold mines in Africa and articles can be found in search engines,
Instead of them mining for it now they have us working a global economy based on money backed by gold.
Those gold reserves are being stock piled and will be going somewhere soon.
The sumerians were the only ones to tell the truth and the abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam all deprive their religious texts from the Sumerian tablets, over 25,000 of them in various museums and storage facilities etc
The two Iraq wars have devastated the cradle of civilisation and destroyed so much more.
The ancient astronaut theory is correct and has more scientific merit than a blind faith system.
I'm from the US so I'll say it's bullshit, WTF are bollocks? What useful thing did "ancient aliens" give to early humans? Nothing. Some stone buildings that can tell what time of year it is, yeah right. If there is a much more technologically advanced civilization visiting earth, they have much better stuff to do than build tombs.
Bin Laden was thrown in the ocean. Support that with evidence.
At least there have been depictions of what could be thought of as ancient aliens throughout all the documented cultural movements in many different parts of the world.
These similarities are found in paintings from societies that were too far to have any communication between them.
Instead of sitting there and calling it bullshit, add some constructive criticism.
Big heads and round eyes. That's the extent of the similarities. By your logic, ancient alien "archaeologists" of the future will find bobbleheads an conclude that they're evidence of extraterrestrial visitation.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your evidence sucks.
Modern day Iraq was a placed called sumer, the cradle of civilisation, many achelogical sites have been destroyed as well as many important items from that time, what wasnt destroyed has been looted.
Being the cradle of civilisation it was the place where the sumerians interacted with the ancient astronauts and have made reference to the era as the time when they lived with the gods.
The most interesting part of it is how much coverage it's getting recently.
It's a pity that the theory automatically discounts human ingenuity. I haven't seen anything to convince me humans weren't responsible for these ancient mysteries. It's possible that certain methods and skills have become forgotten over time.
I don't think aliens would have a need to build pyramids or temples here. They have spaceships to hang out on and a choice of billions of planets to visit.
What are the chances our atmosphere is conducive to their respiration? Or how about our gravity, wouldn't it be very coincidental if that suited their anatomy as well? There's no good reason why they should have built anything, and it's far too small of a chance that this planet was so similar to their own that it could support their way of life.
It's a pity that the theory automatically discounts human ingenuity.
I don't know if it's discounting human ingenuitiy, but it would be logical to assume that in order to achieve the level of technology described by some of these ancient alien theories, metal artifacts would have likely been able to stand the test of time and ultimately be found. After all, how many pieces of advanced technology do we have this day that don't contain any metal?
90% of the show is great, but they always say something really speculative and crazy right before the commercial break. And I wish the main narrator was a little less melodramatic. But other than that I think they do a good job of summarizing the evidence and theories that point to ancient (and on-going) alien intervention in human affairs.
Some people think it's an esoteric way of attacking evolution due to the assertion that humans were created but I think there's a lot more to it.
223 extra genes in the human genome seemingly appeared from nowhere and can't be traced to a predecessor whereas all genes in all other animals can be traced to their evolutionary predecessor.
Zecharia Sitchin, who studied and deciphered Sumerian cuneiform tablets that predated the bible found texts and carvings of a double-helix meant to represent DNA along with models of the solar system with an extra planet with a 3600 year backwards orbit.
He proposed that the ancient aliens took their genes and spliced it with primates of local regions to create semi-intelligent, commandable slaves to mine for gold and grow their own food. Splicing with different primates produced different outcomes and behaviors in different regions.
Sumeria, which is now part of Iraq is reportedly the 1st place in history where farming was discovered along with advanced architecture and complex societies.
You sure debunked that theory with your ingenious comment.
It must be so easy to go through life without imagining what could have been. I bet you're such a good little worker that listens to his boss and doesn't question authority.
You've chosen the consensus view of reality and seem to battle everything outside of it keeping a closed mind.
I bet you think Bin Laden is in the ocean and two airliners were enough to melt the structural steel of 3 buildings into pools of molten metal. Where's your "extraordinary evidence" for that? There is significant evidence that 9-11 didn't happen the way the main stream media said it did and highly qualified people have put their careers at risk to prove it.
Your reality is a closed-circuit, self-defensive, complacent yet fearful little shithole that makes you feel good because you share it with the common man. I bet you take pride in your material possessions and hold tight to your beliefs because you're really scared to do otherwise.
People call it bullshit yet believe Bin Laden's body is in the ocean without any pictures or evidence.
At least there are ancient texts, carvings, cave paintings, paintings by artists from throughout the documented cultural movements that can lead to the idea of ancient aliens.
There isn't one video or picture of Bin Laden being flown 400 miles and thrown into the ocean.
It's an interesting idea, but the likelihood of a vastly intelligent alien species that has discovered a form of FTL travel that would allow them to reach us in one of their life-times is a little far-fetched. Not to mention that there are billions and billions of stars with planets out there in our galaxy.
I'm not doubting the possibility, just that cave drawings don't really count as compelling evidence.
It's an interesting idea, but the likelihood of a vastly intelligent alien species that has discovered a form of FTL travel that would allow them to reach us in one of their life-times is a little far-fetched.
I see this argument a lot but, in considering how old the universe is and how "young" planet Earth is, it's very plausible for an intelligent species to be able to have a million, or even a billion years head start on us. With that said, if we were to go a million years in the future, who is to say FTL travel wouldn't be technologically feasible or even commonplace?
Of course it's plausible, but we need to evidence to go beyond postulating. It's true that the Earth is 'young' in terms of cosmic standards, but most elements conducive to life took a while to be produced in the first few stars (before they exploded, they were very large and very short lived) and spread necessary elements into the surrounding area.
And even then, intelligent life took almost 5 billion years to even start dabbing it's toes into the cosmos.
So it's possible, but given the immense size of a possibly infinite in size universe, it's just as likely as it is that we were visited by aliens.
You should also take into account that these intelligent races haven't destroyed themselves, or died out before they could spread out of their solar system. Even if one or two races did discover FTL, it's still a massive distance to cover.
The "how did they find us?" question is always the one that makes the most sense to me. It would be like trying to find a specific grain of sand on the planet Earth, which is about as unlikely as accidentally stumbling across a grain of sand with semi-intelligent beings on it.
We look for earth like planets all the time. It's not hard to imagine that we would check out these planets (think of all the massive amounts of resources that could be had.) Would it be so hard to believe that an ancient alien race found our planet and used it for it's resources? If they are a hostile race perhaps they posed as Gods. I know a few humans who would like to play god on earth right now. (the Illuminati) so it's not hard to imagine that an alien could do this.
FTL would not be just a bit more faster then light but actually instantaneous
The speed of light is the maximum speed you can get,so FTL would mean you either have to use wormholes,travel through dimensions or destabilize time(time travel)
In all this cases it makes traveling vast distances almost instantaneous
SO long story short either FTL exist, in which case they exist and can come whenever they feel like it or FTL doesn't exist in which case nobody is going anywhere
And for good reasons,its very hard to work in the Amazon
It all depends on the actual alien civilization density, if FTL exists it wouldn't surprise me if other alien civilizations will help newer ones making a feedback loop that raises total universe civilization density
In other words if FTL exists every inch of space would be filled with civilizations
If FTL doesn't exist your seeing a big empty universe out there
Since there is present and past evidence that aliens have visited Earth I'll go with the first theory.
Drawings on walls don't really count, considering humans are particularly imaginative animals. But I will assume you have other forms of evidence to support your claim.
Having gone through some episodes (one argues that the Nazis received extraterrestrial technology), it's all way too ridiculous and it's pretty clearly an attempt at grabbing viewers.
It also assumes humans are too stupid to build big things out of stone.
It's all bullshit. Why would aliens build STONE structures to bury dead people or as a calendar? Why not build green houses, desalination plants, or steam engines for boats? It's much more likely that humans built stone hedge, the pyramids, ect, with human ingenuity, wealth and grit than aliens with nothing better to do.
And why would alien beings with the technology to go all the way across the solar system (not just once but several times), find the only solution to mine gold, after their workforce revolted, was to create a new species that took time to teach and multiply. When they could have just created a robot of some sort to perform the job for them. You have the technical prowess to go from planet to planet with ease, why not invest some of that energy into finding a way to make gold molecules yourself?
No one said they didn't have machines. Of course they wouldn't LEAVE their technology to us. I don't think the aliens in this case are benevolent. They used us as slaves, in this context. Why build STONE structures? Because monuments made of out material that can easily be destroyed wouldn't last very long. These structures were made to stand the test of time. Obviously.
I just don't buy that the pyramids were completely made by humans. I don't think anyone has given a good conclusion about how they were built. Just lots of theories. (not saying that Aliens teaching us how to build them is fact, but this IS /r/conspiracy.) It's just a fun subject, obviously we'll never truly know. Unless the Aliens come back and tell us.
You missed my point. If they even came here and had "machines", which I sincerely doubt an civilization with interstellar travel capacity wouldn't have very advanced robotics or nanotechnology, why would they need a worker to do the work? A worker they needed to modify genetically. It's not like they landed, saw an apelike creature and said: " You know what, fuck it, we have all this awesome technology but the warranty is about to expire and i think we lost the receipt anyway. You now how much of a bitch Astro Depot's return policies are. Lets just just create a new species using the apes DNA and our DNA, mix that shit together and see what pops out. Give it a few years so we can train it to do what we need it to do and hang out in Cozumel while this all goes down. High five everyone!"
The idea that a civilization capable of conquering intergalactic travel would have trouble locating a particular spot on Earth without the help of some stone mounds is utterly preposterous.
Some of it can be very interesting, some of it a little too far-fetched. I don't fault it though, it's just an alternative way of interpreting events and objects from history.
I believe that theory got some compelling evidence.
1 thing that caught my attention was the stones used to create the egyptian pyramids. Each of these stones weigh at least 2 tons each while on the other hand, in a near by temple, each stone weigh 100 tons each.
Now you can ask yourself, why would ancient people who hadn't discovered the wheel yet would build one temple with 2 tons stones and another temple with 100 tons stones?
I truly believe if you watch every single episode of both seasons, pay attention and really get into it that you will have some sort of doubt in something you believe in. It's not like you all of a sudden don't believe in God, it's that your just thinking about something on a totally different level..
To some ancient alien theories sound crazy and unbelievable because of lack of proof.
To some religious stories, beliefs and overall structure sounds crazy and unbelievable because of lack of proof.
You can't really rule anything out is what I'm trying to say.
Yes, I'm sure they looked up and said "hey, that's cool". Bullshit man, they had the ability to map stars over vast distances. The amount of mathematical knowledge to achieve that is amazing on it's own, without the alien theories. When was the last time YOU mapped the stars and made a functioning calendar?
well yes, weather there were aliens behind it or not, it's still cool to see 2 cultures divide by ocean making same geometrical objects corrolating to the same stars.
I like everything Michael Cremo has to say about the topic. He's a "Hindu creationist" who believes that the human race has existed long before the theory of evolution or the Judeo-Christian records account for. According to the Vedic literature these "aliens" are just demigods given control over certain aspects of material nature and created by Vishnu who resides in his spiritual abode. I personally think the Vedic/Indian spiritual tradition explains reality in a way that completely blows modern science and half-baked Christian creationism out of the water.
If nothing else, its an interesting way of looking at things. I'm always up for learning about interesting places on earth, etc. A TON of evidence of "something"...but who knows what. :D
Yeh I'm not saying its 100 per cent bullshit. Even in mainstream archaeology I find the Imagining what some things are and mean can sometimes be really far fetched.
For the record I do tend to believe there were civilisations advanced beyond others far older than the ones we know of. Not quite Atlantis but the olmecs are a good example.
It's all conjecture. Some take it a bit seriously. We'll never really know, but some of the evidence out there fits together so well. It's easy to dismiss it. However, there is plenty of history out there that people willingly accept in their every day lives that is outright bullshit. Knowing how to digest the information, and keep it there for future use is important. Every theory should be welcome, even if it sounds silly and outlandish like "Ancient Aliens". Imagine if we didn't waste the past 10 years fighting pointless wars, and instead used that money to fund space programs. Our future is in space, if we stay on this planet. We. are. fucked.
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14 WarmBro 2011-05-18
Theres more evidence of ancient aliens being true than most religions.
0 MrMoog 2011-05-18
But that is still not much.
2 WarmBro 2011-05-18
Still at least theres* something*
-7 MrMoog 2011-05-18
Oh, I forgot the jews. They are offspring to that reptiloid alien race... Damnit! It means most religions are true.
15 Oclafcire 2011-05-18
I dig the whole "The Bible is just an account of ancient people misinterpreting alien technology" thing they do.
4 WarmBro 2011-05-18
Like when the Sabbath day was created to tend to the mana machine?
1 Oclafcire 2011-05-18
Yes, like that. They had to CLEAN the machine, no?
1 WarmBro 2011-05-18
yeah, had to be cleaned once a week or it would stop working thus the sabbath day was born.
11 FourthAmendment 2011-05-18
There is nothing but life throughout the universe.
3 WarmBro 2011-05-18
Read this in Carl Sagans voice.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Carl Sagan is the best person. in teh world.
3 Toploader 2011-05-18
Carl Sagan would read /r/conspiracy and remind all you people that "credulity kills".
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Yes, but just because I watch something meant for entertainment on the History Channel doesn't mean I believe that Aliens are visiting our planet so they can reap our gold.
1 WarmBro 2011-05-18
or rape our women and make some hybrids !
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4 drmoroe30 2011-05-18
Don't tell me my researching business MrDong.
No, but seriously, the Dogons have always fascinated me and are one of the best cases in support of the ancient astronaut idea in my opinion.
2 redikulous 2011-05-18
Thank you for posting this, very intresting...
1 messopotamien 2011-05-18
interesting indeed!
5 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Also, this is on Netflix streaming right now. The people in this series look really strange, probably to discount them. Some of the stuff they say is a little goofy, and obviously slanted. However, some of the more scientific side about building the ancient pyramids was a great section.
6 funbobnopants 2011-05-18
I don't understand how their appearance somehow invalidates their theories. Information is information, you judge it on its merits, not by its messenger.
4 idk42 2011-05-18
That's the way it should be, but you've met people right? The sheep walking this earth judge so much based on appearance that they tend to ignore the merit of any message.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
exactly.
5 redawn 2011-05-18
yeah the dude with the bouffant and orange skin...hummm.
4 drmoroe30 2011-05-18
My gf can't stand it when his mug graces the screen.
6 redawn 2011-05-18
it's like "yeah dude i believe in aliens...look at you!!"
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
that fat creepy guy with the lisp talking about the bird in egypt. he would give you this really weird smile right after he finished a sentence that just made me cringe and unfairly discredit whatever he just said.
4 [deleted] 2011-05-18
The thing that I can't wrap my head around is the megalithic stones in various parts of the world. How did they mine, transport and cut the megalithic stones of all sizes.
Also Stonehenge. Not even because of the huge megaliths but because from a top view there are many circle and rings of stone patterns. When this is super imposed onto a scale of the solar system the circle match up perfectly. The amount astronomical knowledge they must have been given.
3 tttt0tttt 2011-05-18
It's much more likely that aliens appeared at some point in the ten thousand year (give or take) recorded history of humanity than in the past 50 years or so. I'm not saying they were ever here, I'm saying that if I saw them, I'd expect to see them in cave paintings, not in Polaroid snapshots.
2 dopp3lganger 2011-05-18
Playing devil's advocate: that's assuming they've left.
1 tttt0tttt 2011-05-18
If they hadn't left, they'd have to be hiding somewhere. It's not impossible but we've seen no signs that an alien race is concealed in our midst ... unless the theory of shape-shifting lizard overlords is to be taken seriously.
1 jablome 2011-05-18
If the theories are true, we were used as slaves and left to rot.
3 [deleted] 2011-05-18
It's garbage, I'm shocked to see how many people take it seriously. I watch it for laughs though, so fuck me.
6 drmoroe30 2011-05-18
I would bet the farm that we have been visited at least once in the history of our planet. But I see why people would share your opinion.
Soooo many cultures all over the planet have very similar stories though Woburn- "Gods" coming from the heavens. Surely there is a grain of truth to these stories.
3 [deleted] 2011-05-18
You realize these guys (von Däniken and the orange guy) just do this to make money, right?
They sell books, DVDs, and perform lectures saying that Ancient Aliens are real because it makes them rich.
5 dopp3lganger 2011-05-18
I would say that some of these people talk about this stuff to make money, sure. But when you're a full-time UFOlogist, I wouldn't imagine you have much other income coming in to support your day job, so to speak. I think their theories are excellent food for thought and, at the very least, give non-religious folks a reason to give these ancient, Biblical stories a second look and consider how we would tell stories of "Gods" descending from the skies.
If nothing else, it (hopefully) helps people keep an open mind and consider that maybe we don't have the whole story from our past. Just my two pennies.
3 verbose_gent 2011-05-18
I genuinely believe that von Däniken is sincere.
1 mychelle5546 2011-05-18
And Giorgio Tsoukalous. He's a producer of the show, so you know he puts a ton into it.
1 drmoroe30 2011-05-18
Just because someone is making money on a topic does not mean that the topic is invalid.
3 MonkeysDontEvolve 2011-05-18
Think about it, gods have three places to come from. The ground, the ocean, or the sky. The sky makes more sense than the others, even though some religions cite the other two as the origin of humans or their Gods. The sky gives us; life giving rain, sunlight, helps with navigation, and tells us the time of year. To an undeveloped society it would seem all good things come from the sky so god must also come from the sky. Also great unexplained thins happen in the sky like lightning and meteors.
3 The_Sumerian 2011-05-18
The ancient aliens are a very similar version of us. God made man in his own image.
If people are interested they recently discovered ancient gold mines in Africa and articles can be found in search engines,
Instead of them mining for it now they have us working a global economy based on money backed by gold.
Those gold reserves are being stock piled and will be going somewhere soon.
The sumerians were the only ones to tell the truth and the abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam all deprive their religious texts from the Sumerian tablets, over 25,000 of them in various museums and storage facilities etc
The two Iraq wars have devastated the cradle of civilisation and destroyed so much more.
The ancient astronaut theory is correct and has more scientific merit than a blind faith system.
4 Toploader 2011-05-18
Bollocks.
0 MonkeysDontEvolve 2011-05-18
I'm from the US so I'll say it's bullshit, WTF are bollocks? What useful thing did "ancient aliens" give to early humans? Nothing. Some stone buildings that can tell what time of year it is, yeah right. If there is a much more technologically advanced civilization visiting earth, they have much better stuff to do than build tombs.
0 The_Sumerian 2011-05-18
They did
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
Support your claim with evidence.
3 jablome 2011-05-18
Bin Laden was thrown in the ocean. Support that with evidence.
At least there have been depictions of what could be thought of as ancient aliens throughout all the documented cultural movements in many different parts of the world.
These similarities are found in paintings from societies that were too far to have any communication between them.
Instead of sitting there and calling it bullshit, add some constructive criticism.
2 Toploader 2011-05-18
Big heads and round eyes. That's the extent of the similarities. By your logic, ancient alien "archaeologists" of the future will find bobbleheads an conclude that they're evidence of extraterrestrial visitation.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Your evidence sucks.
0 Zigguraticus 2011-05-18
Whoa, whoa, now that's going too far.
Besides, didn't you know that a lack of evidence is evidence?
2 verbose_gent 2011-05-18
I don't see the connection you're making.
1 The_Sumerian 2011-05-18
Modern day Iraq was a placed called sumer, the cradle of civilisation, many achelogical sites have been destroyed as well as many important items from that time, what wasnt destroyed has been looted.
Being the cradle of civilisation it was the place where the sumerians interacted with the ancient astronauts and have made reference to the era as the time when they lived with the gods.
2 verbose_gent 2011-05-18
Yeah I get that. I thought that there was a significant point I was missing though.
3 funbobnopants 2011-05-18
The most interesting part of it is how much coverage it's getting recently.
It's a pity that the theory automatically discounts human ingenuity. I haven't seen anything to convince me humans weren't responsible for these ancient mysteries. It's possible that certain methods and skills have become forgotten over time.
I don't think aliens would have a need to build pyramids or temples here. They have spaceships to hang out on and a choice of billions of planets to visit.
What are the chances our atmosphere is conducive to their respiration? Or how about our gravity, wouldn't it be very coincidental if that suited their anatomy as well? There's no good reason why they should have built anything, and it's far too small of a chance that this planet was so similar to their own that it could support their way of life.
1 dopp3lganger 2011-05-18
I don't know if it's discounting human ingenuitiy, but it would be logical to assume that in order to achieve the level of technology described by some of these ancient alien theories, metal artifacts would have likely been able to stand the test of time and ultimately be found. After all, how many pieces of advanced technology do we have this day that don't contain any metal?
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
Have you ever wonder why pyramids are pyramids?
maybe they know something which we don't...hint hint
3 vemrion 2011-05-18
90% of the show is great, but they always say something really speculative and crazy right before the commercial break. And I wish the main narrator was a little less melodramatic. But other than that I think they do a good job of summarizing the evidence and theories that point to ancient (and on-going) alien intervention in human affairs.
3 jablome 2011-05-18
Some people think it's an esoteric way of attacking evolution due to the assertion that humans were created but I think there's a lot more to it.
223 extra genes in the human genome seemingly appeared from nowhere and can't be traced to a predecessor whereas all genes in all other animals can be traced to their evolutionary predecessor.
Zecharia Sitchin, who studied and deciphered Sumerian cuneiform tablets that predated the bible found texts and carvings of a double-helix meant to represent DNA along with models of the solar system with an extra planet with a 3600 year backwards orbit.
He proposed that the ancient aliens took their genes and spliced it with primates of local regions to create semi-intelligent, commandable slaves to mine for gold and grow their own food. Splicing with different primates produced different outcomes and behaviors in different regions.
Sumeria, which is now part of Iraq is reportedly the 1st place in history where farming was discovered along with advanced architecture and complex societies.
-1 Toploader 2011-05-18
223 thousandths of an inch, or .223" is equal to 5.56mm. In 45 CE, the emperor Claudius expeled the Jews from Rome.
5.56x45mm is the preferred rifle cartridge of all NATO (NWO) forces. Coincidence? I think not! Open your eyes, sheeple!
1 jablome 2011-05-18
You sure debunked that theory with your ingenious comment.
It must be so easy to go through life without imagining what could have been. I bet you're such a good little worker that listens to his boss and doesn't question authority.
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
It must be fun to go through life completely unburdened by reality.
1 jablome 2011-05-18
Your concept of reality is a burden to me.
You've chosen the consensus view of reality and seem to battle everything outside of it keeping a closed mind.
I bet you think Bin Laden is in the ocean and two airliners were enough to melt the structural steel of 3 buildings into pools of molten metal. Where's your "extraordinary evidence" for that? There is significant evidence that 9-11 didn't happen the way the main stream media said it did and highly qualified people have put their careers at risk to prove it.
Your reality is a closed-circuit, self-defensive, complacent yet fearful little shithole that makes you feel good because you share it with the common man. I bet you take pride in your material possessions and hold tight to your beliefs because you're really scared to do otherwise.
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
I have not chosen the consensus view, I've looked at the "evidence" and concluded that which is by far most likely.
I'm going to let the rest go, as the ad hominem is little more than your own admission of guilt to yourself.
3 jablome 2011-05-18
People call it bullshit yet believe Bin Laden's body is in the ocean without any pictures or evidence.
At least there are ancient texts, carvings, cave paintings, paintings by artists from throughout the documented cultural movements that can lead to the idea of ancient aliens.
There isn't one video or picture of Bin Laden being flown 400 miles and thrown into the ocean.
2 redawn 2011-05-18
zacharia sitchin.
2 [deleted] 2011-05-18
It's an interesting idea, but the likelihood of a vastly intelligent alien species that has discovered a form of FTL travel that would allow them to reach us in one of their life-times is a little far-fetched. Not to mention that there are billions and billions of stars with planets out there in our galaxy.
I'm not doubting the possibility, just that cave drawings don't really count as compelling evidence.
4 dopp3lganger 2011-05-18
I see this argument a lot but, in considering how old the universe is and how "young" planet Earth is, it's very plausible for an intelligent species to be able to have a million, or even a billion years head start on us. With that said, if we were to go a million years in the future, who is to say FTL travel wouldn't be technologically feasible or even commonplace?
3 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Of course it's plausible, but we need to evidence to go beyond postulating. It's true that the Earth is 'young' in terms of cosmic standards, but most elements conducive to life took a while to be produced in the first few stars (before they exploded, they were very large and very short lived) and spread necessary elements into the surrounding area.
And even then, intelligent life took almost 5 billion years to even start dabbing it's toes into the cosmos.
So it's possible, but given the immense size of a possibly infinite in size universe, it's just as likely as it is that we were visited by aliens.
You should also take into account that these intelligent races haven't destroyed themselves, or died out before they could spread out of their solar system. Even if one or two races did discover FTL, it's still a massive distance to cover.
5 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Unless wormhole theory is true. There could also be different kinds of technology, beside FTL travel.
3 Zigguraticus 2011-05-18
The "how did they find us?" question is always the one that makes the most sense to me. It would be like trying to find a specific grain of sand on the planet Earth, which is about as unlikely as accidentally stumbling across a grain of sand with semi-intelligent beings on it.
2 [deleted] 2011-05-18
We look for earth like planets all the time. It's not hard to imagine that we would check out these planets (think of all the massive amounts of resources that could be had.) Would it be so hard to believe that an ancient alien race found our planet and used it for it's resources? If they are a hostile race perhaps they posed as Gods. I know a few humans who would like to play god on earth right now. (the Illuminati) so it's not hard to imagine that an alien could do this.
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
FTL would not be just a bit more faster then light but actually instantaneous
The speed of light is the maximum speed you can get,so FTL would mean you either have to use wormholes,travel through dimensions or destabilize time(time travel)
In all this cases it makes traveling vast distances almost instantaneous
SO long story short either FTL exist, in which case they exist and can come whenever they feel like it or FTL doesn't exist in which case nobody is going anywhere
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
If that's the case, they could just not be interested in us at all. To an incredibly advanced species we may be just like ants to them
2 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
That's like saying to an entomologist not to be interested in insects.
Its all fine and dandy to unlock the secrets of the universe,but at what point does it all become irrelevant?
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Keep in mind that even we haven't found every species of insect in the Amazon. So it could be like that.
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
And for good reasons,its very hard to work in the Amazon
It all depends on the actual alien civilization density, if FTL exists it wouldn't surprise me if other alien civilizations will help newer ones making a feedback loop that raises total universe civilization density
In other words if FTL exists every inch of space would be filled with civilizations
If FTL doesn't exist your seeing a big empty universe out there
Since there is present and past evidence that aliens have visited Earth I'll go with the first theory.
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
What evidence do you have?
Drawings on walls don't really count, considering humans are particularly imaginative animals. But I will assume you have other forms of evidence to support your claim.
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
Did you even watch the series? isn't this the subject of this thread?
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
You're expecting me to take a History channel show seriously?
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
The material covered is decades old
Heck I'm surprised History channel even looked at this, since it's usually mainstream shit you get on tv.
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Having gone through some episodes (one argues that the Nazis received extraterrestrial technology), it's all way too ridiculous and it's pretty clearly an attempt at grabbing viewers.
It also assumes humans are too stupid to build big things out of stone.
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
Ridiculous is not a representation of truth, only bias, even if you're right.
2 MonkeysDontEvolve 2011-05-18
It's all bullshit. Why would aliens build STONE structures to bury dead people or as a calendar? Why not build green houses, desalination plants, or steam engines for boats? It's much more likely that humans built stone hedge, the pyramids, ect, with human ingenuity, wealth and grit than aliens with nothing better to do.
3 smartassassin 2011-05-18
And why would alien beings with the technology to go all the way across the solar system (not just once but several times), find the only solution to mine gold, after their workforce revolted, was to create a new species that took time to teach and multiply. When they could have just created a robot of some sort to perform the job for them. You have the technical prowess to go from planet to planet with ease, why not invest some of that energy into finding a way to make gold molecules yourself?
3 [deleted] 2011-05-18
No one said they didn't have machines. Of course they wouldn't LEAVE their technology to us. I don't think the aliens in this case are benevolent. They used us as slaves, in this context. Why build STONE structures? Because monuments made of out material that can easily be destroyed wouldn't last very long. These structures were made to stand the test of time. Obviously.
I just don't buy that the pyramids were completely made by humans. I don't think anyone has given a good conclusion about how they were built. Just lots of theories. (not saying that Aliens teaching us how to build them is fact, but this IS /r/conspiracy.) It's just a fun subject, obviously we'll never truly know. Unless the Aliens come back and tell us.
1 smartassassin 2011-05-18
You missed my point. If they even came here and had "machines", which I sincerely doubt an civilization with interstellar travel capacity wouldn't have very advanced robotics or nanotechnology, why would they need a worker to do the work? A worker they needed to modify genetically. It's not like they landed, saw an apelike creature and said: " You know what, fuck it, we have all this awesome technology but the warranty is about to expire and i think we lost the receipt anyway. You now how much of a bitch Astro Depot's return policies are. Lets just just create a new species using the apes DNA and our DNA, mix that shit together and see what pops out. Give it a few years so we can train it to do what we need it to do and hang out in Cozumel while this all goes down. High five everyone!"
2 Zigguraticus 2011-05-18
The idea that a civilization capable of conquering intergalactic travel would have trouble locating a particular spot on Earth without the help of some stone mounds is utterly preposterous.
1 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
The biggest reason is because its not colonization.
There wasn't an advanced mothership with infrastructure built in,nor thousands of alien colonists to start from scratch.
Even robots need base materials and especially infrastructure for mass production.
Compared to the ease of just splicing some genes,and let them multiply like rabbits and you have a workforce immediately.
Besides its possible that there technology is so advance that they haven't even considered or even remember our primitive shit
2 Kruse 2011-05-18
Some of it can be very interesting, some of it a little too far-fetched. I don't fault it though, it's just an alternative way of interpreting events and objects from history.
2 UtopicVision 2011-05-18
I believe that theory got some compelling evidence. 1 thing that caught my attention was the stones used to create the egyptian pyramids. Each of these stones weigh at least 2 tons each while on the other hand, in a near by temple, each stone weigh 100 tons each. Now you can ask yourself, why would ancient people who hadn't discovered the wheel yet would build one temple with 2 tons stones and another temple with 100 tons stones?
2 [deleted] 2011-05-18
I truly believe if you watch every single episode of both seasons, pay attention and really get into it that you will have some sort of doubt in something you believe in. It's not like you all of a sudden don't believe in God, it's that your just thinking about something on a totally different level..
To some ancient alien theories sound crazy and unbelievable because of lack of proof.
To some religious stories, beliefs and overall structure sounds crazy and unbelievable because of lack of proof.
You can't really rule anything out is what I'm trying to say.
1 anunnaki77 2011-05-18
we are the aliens. genetic experimentation explains everything in my mind....
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
The thing that really gets me is that both the pyramids in Egypt and Mexico correlates the the orion's belt exactly.
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
Yes, they looked up, said "hey, that's cool", and replicated it. Not a mystery.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Yes, I'm sure they looked up and said "hey, that's cool". Bullshit man, they had the ability to map stars over vast distances. The amount of mathematical knowledge to achieve that is amazing on it's own, without the alien theories. When was the last time YOU mapped the stars and made a functioning calendar?
2 Toploader 2011-05-18
My comment was hyperbole. Yes, they had the ability to map the stars. It does not mean that aliens told them how to do it.
Actually, I worked for NASA for ~10 years. When it comes to rotation, nutation, and precession, I'm the fucking shit.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Yeah, that's cool. I work at Langley, so I know everything about everyone.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
well yes, weather there were aliens behind it or not, it's still cool to see 2 cultures divide by ocean making same geometrical objects corrolating to the same stars.
1 szalinski 2011-05-18
read william bramleys the gods of edan
1 bingo_bongo 2011-05-18
I like everything Michael Cremo has to say about the topic. He's a "Hindu creationist" who believes that the human race has existed long before the theory of evolution or the Judeo-Christian records account for. According to the Vedic literature these "aliens" are just demigods given control over certain aspects of material nature and created by Vishnu who resides in his spiritual abode. I personally think the Vedic/Indian spiritual tradition explains reality in a way that completely blows modern science and half-baked Christian creationism out of the water.
1 fobmoon 2011-05-18
The Gods of Eden by William Bramley
1 chronorunner 2011-05-18
If nothing else, its an interesting way of looking at things. I'm always up for learning about interesting places on earth, etc. A TON of evidence of "something"...but who knows what. :D
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
If you believe this, you are fucking stupid
-1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Totally fabricated with masses of conclusion based on scant evidence and sometimes pure imagination.
Entertaining though.
1 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Totally fabricated, just like religion is. Except there is evidence and ruined civilization dating back thousands of years before we left the caves.
http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwater-urban-archeology-7-submerged-wonders-of-the-world/
0 adrixshadow 2011-05-18
Fabricating Pyramids, How Do They Work?
0 [deleted] 2011-05-18
Yeh I'm not saying its 100 per cent bullshit. Even in mainstream archaeology I find the Imagining what some things are and mean can sometimes be really far fetched.
For the record I do tend to believe there were civilisations advanced beyond others far older than the ones we know of. Not quite Atlantis but the olmecs are a good example.
2 [deleted] 2011-05-18
It's all conjecture. Some take it a bit seriously. We'll never really know, but some of the evidence out there fits together so well. It's easy to dismiss it. However, there is plenty of history out there that people willingly accept in their every day lives that is outright bullshit. Knowing how to digest the information, and keep it there for future use is important. Every theory should be welcome, even if it sounds silly and outlandish like "Ancient Aliens". Imagine if we didn't waste the past 10 years fighting pointless wars, and instead used that money to fund space programs. Our future is in space, if we stay on this planet. We. are. fucked.
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
Support your claim with evidence.
1 Toploader 2011-05-18
I have not chosen the consensus view, I've looked at the "evidence" and concluded that which is by far most likely.
I'm going to let the rest go, as the ad hominem is little more than your own admission of guilt to yourself.