The mental image of some guy sitting in his basement keeping meticulous records of random users on reddit is very, very amusing to me. Keep up the good work!

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someone who has access to their private subreddits

You mean blizzsucks? The guy who found this super-secret subreddit?

Or polymath22 who seems to have recently gotten over his bizzare obsession with submitting everyone who disagrees with him (including jedberg) to /r/shill and blabbering incoherently about that silly JIDF.com website.

thejidf.org

And it's not silly...racist.

private subreddits

Ooooo sounds juicy, I need to get access to these.

I will not reveal to you exactly how I assembled this list

Anyone who has disagreed with you.

I don't have much free time and I don't spend much time on reddit

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, i'm on the list and I don't even have access to the private subreddits. You sure got us, or so I assume. Since I don't have access to the subbits that prove i'm a shill I'm really just taking your word.

Stop this. I don't care what your opinions are on any kind of conspiracy front, or how deeply you think the reptilian conspiracy is entrenched in reddit, it is VERY MUCH AGAINST REDIQUETTE TO MAKE A LIST OF USERS YOU WANT TO DOWNVOTE.

Now, ordinarily I'd just delete this post, but then that would simply fuel your "shill/cabal/disinfo" fantasies. So I'm instead going to this:

1. Ask you nicely to take down your Google doc.
2. If you don't, I'll leave it up so everyone can see what a raving, petty piece of shit you are.

I'm in full support of reddiquette and the user agreement, but why is it only selectively enforced?

For instance, pesonal attacks are not allowed, and yet you just called the OP a "raving, petty piece of shit".

Since when is calling names against the rules? Are we fucking children?

But seriously, surely if you've spent any time on this reddit you've observed the trolls, the people being hateful and dafamatory, the people spewing vitriol and disrupting discussions. It should be apparent that this kind of thing is diminishing the intellectual value of the community, and the website in general. What are the moderators doing to fix this?

Generally, nothing is really required. Trolls run on your fuel. If you don't like them, just downvote them and move on. If you respond, they win. Takes two to tango. So if you are sick of trolls "disrupting" discussions, don't respond to them. No disruption. Problem solved.

Plus, what looks like "trolling" to you is sometimes actually someone legitimately arguing with you. There's no good way to tell.

What I did in /r/911truth was to implement the most subjective definition of "trolling" I could think of. I asked /r/conspiracy if it was necessary here, and the community said "no." I haven't gotten anyone telling me about legit troll problems, and no one has pointed me to any self posts about discussing these sorts of things.

Reddit is very good about controlling "brigades" and such -- those problems are administrative and if you see them, report them. Mods don't have the power to ferret that stuff out, and "trolling" is so subjective that it's merely a waste of time to try and delete comments that are "trolls".

Oh snap, those rules are fantastic! Thank you for this information. Do you have a link to when people here on r/conspiracy said "no"?

It was a long time ago, and generally it was because this was a more general subreddit than 911truth.

I may post again to see about introducing those rules here.

I don't know what the culture was like at that time, but I can't really imagine why anybody would be opposed to those rules unless they just loved trolls, or thought that the reddit itself was just a joke. I, for one, would appreciate it if they were implemented.

Generally people felt the up/down voting systems were enough.

Interesting. So what if there is conflict? with some wanting rules like that, and others believing that the voting is good enough? Would you be inclined to leave it as it has been?

Depends on how much and the tone of each side. My mod policy on large subreddits has been laissez-faire.

Why even have an upvote/downvote system? What are you afraid of ? Hmmmmm

I'm not afraid of anything in particular, but I recognize that the kinds of things in that list of rules contribute to the degradation of rational discourse.

• Things like using stupid nicknames like "twoofer" or "conspiratard" contribute nothing.

• Or insulting conspiracy theorists or skeptics in general. E.g. "of course truthers are so dumb they can't be convinced" or "stupid sheeple will believe anything they're told."

• The drama surrounding complaints abuot people having sockpuppets, like this very post, just gets in the way. If the insults and things are moderated, then the only issue would be downvote campaigns, which I DO think there should be allowed discussion on, but it cannot single anybody out, cannot be personal, and in general should be kept between the users and the administrators. If the admins do nothing, then the issue should be allowed to be discussed by the community - but still without necessarily pointing fingers or trying to create personal drama.

• Or personal attacks - how do they serve to facilitate meaningful discussion? They don't. If there's a personal problem, then take it to private messages, or message the moderators.

• Or if your comment is just about insulting someone - that's a waste of time and is just creating needless drama, not to mention it's mean.

• I think that complaining about downvotes CAN be a legitimate issue, but it really depends on the manner in which it is addressed. If I say "WTF? Why do I have a thousand downvotes for saying that americans are stupid?", that's out of line. But I say "I'd appreciate an explanation for why my comment received so many downvotes" then I think that's acceptable.

• posting simply to be disruptive - that isn't beneficial at all.

I mean, nothing about this position implies fear of any kind, just a desire to improve the quality of discourse that takes place here, to clear up all the trash that gets in the way. I suspect that a lot of people are afraid to comment on r/conspiracy posts because of the high emotionality and drama, the insults and whatnot, and that's a terrible loss.

http://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement

Last Revised October 21st, 2008

[...]

You agree not to use any obscene, indecent, or offensive language or to provide to or post on or through the Website any graphics, text, photographs, images, video, audio or other material that is defamatory, abusive, bullying, harassing, racist, hateful, or violent. You agree to refrain from ethnic slurs, religious intolerance, homophobia, and personal attacks when using the Website.

Edit: Also, I would hope that nobody here is fucking any children.

"Personal attacks" does not refer to attacking someone's behavior on reddit; calling someone a "piece of shit" is not obscene, indecent or offensive language as long as /r/gonewild is allowed to be a subreddit; and there is nothing bullying, abusive, harassing, or hateful about expressing my opinion about this guy's raving and petty attitude.

so fuck off

Lol, okay. Thanks. I do tend to disagree with you that calling him a piece of shit isn't a personal attack. I personally think r/gonewild and the other pornographic reddits should continue to stay on the site, but that the user agreement should change to reflect their admittance - AND that the personal attacks stuff still needs to be in there and needs to be enforced, either by warning and subsequent banning or something.

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I never said they should be downvoted. In fact, downvoting them is pointless since they don't submit anything to here anyway. However, they should be exposed. They're the bury brigade that has destroyed Digg.

This is not for you to undertake by yourself. The proper method is to take the list of offenders to the administration of reddit and have them deal with the situation. Do not try and start witch hunts here on reddit; it creates drama and is counter-productive and you put yourself at risk for being subject to the same repercussions as these people would be. Eye for and eye and all that.

Calling me names like that was not called for.

Tell that to all the people you've just called names by putting them on the list of "shills, disinfo artists, agents, conspiritards." Now you have the fucking balls to say that calling you a name was uncalled for? Fuck me.

You'll have to delete the thread to delete my list. I will not participate in any kind of forced or unforced censorship. I will not participate in a coverup. PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW who's behind the dowonvotes and harassment here in r/conspiracy and reddit.

conspiracy fantasy proven; did i call this shit or what

This is not about censoring your "uncovering" of a "cabal" -- this is about not letting you become judge, jury, and executioner of your own little fantasy conspiracy.

I know this is /r/conspiracy, but I am always going to call out any kind of reddit-based "conspiracies."

PS: How nice that finally one you Mods has come out and started PARTICIPATING in this subreddit!

I haven't gotten a single message in my mod mailbox in the last month except for spam reports and exemption requests. If you so desperately require mod intervention (something which I don't think is necessary), why don't you try and contact us?

And just for the record, people have suggested mod intervention in the subreddit before -- the only thing I would consider would be similar rules to what is in place in /r/911truth -- and every time, the community rejects it. The up and down votes are there for a reason. If there is a cabal downvoting, the reddit admins will find out and they will be punished. Just as you will be if you insist on making your own cabal.

Thank you for stating this. From now on I will report activity that seems to be disrupting the conversation or egregiously violating the user agreement or reddiquette, and I will message the moderators when I suspect downvoting campaigns. I'll also encourage others on this reddit to do the same. Thank you.

edit: I would like to request that information about disinformation be posted in the sidebar. You may not be a conspiracy theorist, but most of the users of this reddit are, and not all of us are able to recognize the trolling when we see it. At the very least, a link to these two pages, and perhaps a reminder/link for reddiquette would be good:

• http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm
• http://www.truthmove.org/content/disinformation/

I won't provide links to those sites on the sidebar, but if you make a "links every conspiracy theorist should know about!" self post and tell me when you do, I can post a link to that on the sidebar.

Also moderators cannot do much about downvoting cabals as we don't have the magic admin mojo to see voting patterns etc. Please send a message to #reddit.com or go to /r/ReportTheSpammers.

Fantastic. Thank you. :)

I never said they should be downvoted.

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These racist, supremacist scum keep the list of us and harass and downvote us so it's only fair to return the favor.

I don't think downvotes are called for unless it's on an obvious trolling comment or post. I don't even know if banning them will work. So long as they (the blatantly obvious trolls like herklmer and jcm) spend time in the same account, they can be handled. I'm speaking not about all the members of your list per se, but the people who DO troll and defame conspiracy theorists and downvote stuff. We can't let the community devolve into an inquisition, but perhaps a little bit more active moderation is needed.

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Yes, some of these are blatantly trolls who do the kinds of things you accuse them of. This does not mean that we should be downvoting everybody on your list without substantial evidence of what they are.

I think this needs to be chilled out and approached rationally and strategically, rather than with the high emotions and paranoid inquisition.

Except you've got no proof of any of the claimed activities, so it is pretty petty and shitty of you.

I agree that evidence is needed before accepting someone's accusations. I don't say that it's petty or shitty, though.

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My list and my opinion.

Stop presenting opinion as fact.

You can do your own research.

That's not how arguments work. You bring forth a point, and then you back it up with data.

PS: And you're a known conspiratard so I know why you're pissed. Your buddies are now in open. I know, I know... I'd be pissed too.

Personally, I'm pissed I'm not on the list.

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Okay, you can't keep just throwing people on your list just because they disagree with you. Is it possible you're being a little too sensitive about this?

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Can you provide some links showing his bad behavior in the past? I mean, if you're going to accuse someone of being a troll or a shill, let's see some good evidence.

Just, if you want to do anything about this you're going to need to calm down and approach it very professionally without the emotions getting in the way. Passion is good! But getting pissed off and insulting someone is not going to help your cause.

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Let's see...looks like sugardeath has the occasional post in conspiracy, but most of his post are technological in nature. Specifically seems to have serious, intelligent conversations in those subreddits. What few posts I find addressing conspiracies seem to be simply pointing out facts with no insults or anything of that nature.

Show me your proof, that is all he asked and suddenly he should be on the list. This is why so many people on this thread are not taking you seriously and just mocking you.

Also, notice that most of these people who are on the list and are posting in this thread are not denying anything?

It's useless, you'll just ignore it anyway and throw out more baseless accusations.

Please, link me to my posts that show I'm trolling you guys. It's impossible to take out of context for the reasons Mumberthrax stated. Show me what I've done wrong.

I suppose the argument could be made that you've deleted your alleged troll behavior from the past, which would make it impossible to link to.

Lol, it never ends does it.

Yes, it IS possible to claim that, but no one has made that argument, so I can conclude that either

a) no effort has been made to search my comment history for the offending behavior (and either failed, posting the "it's been deleted" argument; or succeeded, posting the comments in question)

or

b) I'm not seen as enough of a "threat" to even refute with such an argument. Which is, frankly, disappointing after being sort of called out.

This compounded on top of everyone else's lack of comment-based-evidence (on both sides of the argument) leads me to believe this whole thing is a circlejerk or a petty attempt at soiling users' names.

Yes, I agree that the two possibilities you mentioned are very reasonable conclusions.

I don't think I would call it a circlejerk. I would call it an attempt to sow distrust in the community.

http://www.truthmove.org/content/disinformation/

Paranoia/Divide and Conquer - one of the most effective ways to destroy a group is to sow distrust among members. COINTELPRO is known to have supplied false information in order create suspicion between authentic progressive activists. Seemingly paradoxically, disinformation agents may actually promote discussion of disinformation/infiltration in order to increase paranoia. Such efforts may be targeted at creating suspicion around real and effective evidence/materials/activists.

Was going to reply to you here: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/hesb0/dear_reddit_truth_seekers_heres_a/c1uydrc

But then saw this.

The terrible part is that I DO strongly suspect that the ones who are causing all of the drama, saying "he's a shill! You're a disinfo agent! Go back to your conspiratard buddies!" etc. are actually the very people trying to disrupt the community.

Now that's something I haven't thought about! It actually sounds like a decent strategy, too.

I'm sure this kind of stuff has been posted here before (the link you gave me), but it's new to me. I guess that just goes to show how little time I actually spend here (though the name "COINTELPRO" is vaguely familiar).

Sadly, the solution isn't as simple as "hey guys, ignore these kinds of posts and focus on this, this, or that." I guess it's the nature of a community like this to latch on to things that show distrust, whether real or manufactured.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/COINTELPRO

also, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Agent_provocateur

Yeah I think that the best thing would be educating people to recognize the trolling and behaviors that disrupt the discussions (especially the vitriol, insults, personal attacks, etc.) and to have moderators that actually give a darn about these things and warn people not to do them.

edit: mods do apparently give a darn, but they haven't received messages or reports.

Thanks for the list, texmex. This needs to be front page news.

I glanced at sugardeath's profile and realized that I didn't feel like spending 30 minutes looking for troll behavior or posts in conspiratard. If you can provide me with just one post he has made in conspiratard that you're already aware of (to save time), that will at least satisfy me that you didn't make it up. Also, cherrypicking doesn't work when you provide a link to the source of the information, so if you give me a link to his activity that demonstrated trollish behavior, I can click "context" or "full comments" and see the full story.

Sweet! Thanks a lot, bro.

Though, aren't you going to say anything about why you don't have to provide any proof or something? Where's your data?

PS: How nice that finally one you Mods has come out and started PARTICIPATING in this subreddit! You guys have been COMPLETELY SILENT while these r/conspiratards have overrun this subreddit and chased away all the posters with their trolling and downvotes. Do you even give a fuck about this subreddit anymore?! Maybe you guys should let others admin it.... just sayin.

LOL. You're asking them to hand the keys to the asylum to the inmates!

Imagine that! Government by the people... lol

They absolutely destroyed Digg. They were even more damaging there because they would exploit any opportunity they could to silence their opposition by piling on top of one another to 'report' and ban people at any slightly untoward comment. Before you knew it most of the good submitters vanished and the front page was dominated by nothing more than spam and hasbara.

Quick edit: Their favorite country invested several million in venture capital specifically so it could "overwhelm" Digg and Reddit with Ziospam.

Yeah seriously. I don't understand why more people don't know about this. It's patently obvious from just a glance at any of the major subreddits that there is a huge amount of people just trying to push the Jewish Agenda. Just try to mention anything bad about a Jew and see what happens. Even well established facts just get downvoted into oblivion.

Exactly:

If the "merakdim" (lit. filth, used here to mean "gentile") try to speak against you, you should silence their mouths. No gentile may speak ill of one of the Chosen else he be put to his death.

---- Talmud Rikuda pg. 154a

What is the Talmud Rikuda?

Funny how your quote doesn't show up in a Google search.

http://i.imgur.com/XODVI.png

Personnaly i do not enjoy being on a list of downvotes because i disagree with some who are pro Israeli, it doesn't mean i'm a nazi, but i would like you to stop these people from mass downvoting every thing i post for no reason even if has nothing to do with them. You say it is against rediquette and i agree with you but will you have a word with Carasso over this? The way i see it texmex was just replying to the fact that there is already a list of mass downvotes directed at us.

This kind of thing needs to be sent to the administrators of reddit to be taken care of. This kind of vigilante behavior is garbage and doesn't solve anything.

The solution to a downvote cabal is not to create your own.

I agree with you but what can we do to stop it from happening as it pollutes this forum, who should i talk to stop this crap?

If you see something like that cabal, alert the admins by sending a message to #reddit.com. The admins will see it and deal with it.

I love how this is the only time a moderator pops up in here lololololol

Because someone actually reported it. Maybe you should message the moderators or hit the "report" button. We actually do respond.

YES!!! I made it to the list!

I'm not a probable shill just because I call you out for being a senseless racist, you punkass.

Yeah these kinds of lists are dangerous and can cause everybody to become more paranoid than they need to be. Don't just accept that this list is shills or trolls, everyone. If you're that interested, then look at the users' post histories for traditional troll behavior.

yeah, me personally, when I sense agenda, I do look over a person's post history. I do it on a case-by-case basis.

"become more paranoid " Is that possible?

Paranoia is not a superlative.

What is "traditional troll behavior"?

That's an excellent question.

Here's a handy guide for detecting "disinformation". It's a little bit dated, but the principles are applicable. http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm

The biggest thing though is the vitriol they spew. Here's a list of some examples I posted to r/conspiratard a while back: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/h238u/how_do_you_rconspiratard_folks_feel_about/

And look at the post history of the person who posted the list. TexMex's own history is a good example of a shill/troll in action.

Can you link to any specific examples?

Look at his posting history as a whole. It's one long torrent of posts blaming the Jews for everything under the sun.

uhm, I've looked through the first five pages and haven't seen anything like that.

A list, from his first five pages:

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, a USMC Vietnam vet, a Jewish American says that Israel was behind 9/11 and that US military knows that:

Those are Zionist Neocons and you can name every one of them... we all know what they want: greater Israel and more wars with Muslims/Arabs to protect their state. Just look at how many dual-citizenship, Israel-firster traitors we have in our government... it's sickening.

Ted Koppel, former ABC news anchor & NPR contributor advocates the Israeli gov't stance on the pages of the WSJ:

It's just another Mossad false flag operation designed to keep Obama in check and to distract people with nonsense so they don't see the theft of a millennia that's happening on Wall St.

It's just bread & circuses for idiot goyim masses.

Another character, Philip J. Berg, is a jewish lawyer. This is all a Mossad job from start to finish.

Why do you still bother replying to me, Hasbara shill?

But if you show the facts that Jews are over-represented in US government, media, finance... if you show facts that CEOs of all of the Hollywood studios are jewish, you're thrown in jail, fired, called silly names

And if you dare point out at who the original terrorists are and who invented modern terrorism, they'll call cops on you.

Give this a listen: http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2011/04/21/the-ugly-truth-podcast-april-21-2011/ It will explain pretty much everything wrt to revolutions in North Africa and Middle East. (In the thread "The CIA/Mossad's False Flag Terror Program to bring complete upheaval in the Middle East is taken up a notch!")

CIA & Mossad killed JFK mostly due to his Fed policies (research Executive Order 11110) and his stance towards Israel's secret nuke program

What else would you expect from another Hasbara? Not enough threads about killing Palestinians in /r/israel so you're now trolling /r/conspiracy? (About a copyright post in a copyright thread)

Can you guess where they are? Give up? Here's a clue: Following Zakheim And The Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 911

Over the years, I've come to realize that all these "Black Popers" and "Jesuiters" are either mentally ill or are Rothschild/zionist agents.

Israel was behind 9/11 and that US military knows that

that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies:

Alan Hart, retired BBC reporter and a man who knew both Golda Meir and Yassir Arafat has recently come out publicly and said that his sources tell him that Mossad was behind 9/11

the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.

Link to alexjonesexposed, a rabidly antisemitic web site.

Link to http:// pastie .org/1525926, a rabidly antisemetic webs page.

Link to http:// waronyou .com/topics/fractures-in-the-truth-movement/, full of holocaust denial and anti-jewish claims.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/hesb0/dear_reddit_truth_seekers_heres_a/c1v08k5

There's nothing stopping them from creating new accounts now that you've marked them publicly.

they'll be flagged as shills so admins can more easily identify them.

But why would they?

TexMex listed me, merely for pointing out that he was was a pathetic little neo-nazi submoron. Anyone who disagrees with me, I can simply point to his list of posts full of anti-semitic disinfo and shilling. Heck, I can can simply point to HIS OWN list, to show all the people who agree.

Name calling and insults aren't useful here. This kind of matter must be approached from an emotionally neutral and professional perspective. Please don't appeal to base emotionality to gather support for your position.

My apologies. Change that to apparent "pathetic little neo-nazi submoron."

Lol, I don't see that as much of an improvement. :P

being suspicious of Zionists does not a nazi make, but i'll invstigate his posts to see if this bears up.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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These racist, supremacist scum keep the list of us and harass and downvote us so it's only fair to return the favor.

The problem is you are asking people to down vote 'this scientifically collected list' (myself included). How are you taking the high ground?

If any of this is true, you are just as bad as 'they' are.

You're a fucking idiot. I didn't even know this subreddit existed until you rounded up all the jews.

Gotta love self-deputized Reddit Secret Police. Go sniff panties elsewhere, asshole!

I don't think the insults are useful here. This does seem like an inquisition though.

Really? How did you come to the conclusion that these people are trolls/shills? Maybe a few are, but all of them? It is sad to see people ignore other viewpoints like a child with his fingers in his ears, humming loudly.

It's simple: Anyone who disagrees with TexMex that the Jews are responsible for everything bad that happens in the world, from his acne to earthquakes, is a "well-known Hasbara operative."

Exactly.

Hey, it's RogerDong! Don't worry, everything is A-OK. Accept propaganda as truth, and you will strengthen your Rodger...

That's about as intelligent as any post from TexMex and his friends.

I forgot how intellectual you are, my bad...

It says a lot about someone when they use "intellectual" as an insult.

umm, it's called sarcasm. Look. It. Up.

the jews do a lot of bad things. It's ridiculous once you find out. Did you know that the jews had a hand in the Pearl Harbor attack? They convinced Roosevelt to put an oil embargo on Japan. This pissed Japan off and caused Pearl Harbor.

This is exactly the kind of submoronic wingnuttery I'm talking about. Thanks!

It's posts like these (not yours, the OP's) that make me seriously consider why I have this reddit front paged.

Obvious troll.

No, Mumberthrax. He honestly believes it. Look at his posting history - just the first page alone:

"I can understand being downvoted by posting a anti-jew statement in a pro-jew thread but why would I get downvoted by posting an anti-jew comment in an anti-jew thread?"

"YOu realize that Ron Paul is a jew-supporter?"

"the jews do a lot of bad things. It's ridiculous once you find out. Did you know that the jews had a hand in the Pearl Harbor attack?"

"I can't believe I'm not on the list with all my facts about the holocaust not happening."

"Most jews are atheists."

"Carlin was just another jewish gatekeeper."

"They want to destroy Christianity and the white race"

"Pearl Harbor was caused by the jews as well. Jews convinced Roosevelt to but an oil embargo against Japan. This made the japanese very angry so they attacked pearl harbor."

"What you fail to realize was that the jews were destroying Germany. Unemployment was 30 % before Hitler took over. Hitler gave 6 million germans jobs during his leadership. The jews took that 6 million number and twisted it around to make it say that 6 million jews were murdered. That's where the jews got the 6 million number. The jews were sucking the life out of Germany. The jews made a pact with Great Britain to get what we now know as Israel so at the end of the war, the jews all fled to Israel. They had to. They had just betrayed the Germans."

"actually, the jews were well fed in the camps. They even had a swimming pool, a soccer field, theater, and medical facility. It was kind of like a miniature city inside the camp. The only thing the nazis wanted from the jews was their free labor. They didn't want to kill any of them. "

"the difference between whites and jews is that whites don't pool their money to destroy nations and races."

"how come Jews aren't listed as a possible race? And BTW, the holocaust never happened so have fun looking at that museum full of fake crap."

Mumberthrax: Why do you deny that someone like this is antisemitic - with all the evidence right in front of you - when you have no problem believing unsubstantiated claims that those who criticizes or down-vote such posts are part of some JIDF-organized conspiracy?

No. That user account is for trolling and quite possibly to be used as an excuse to scream "ANTI-SEMITISM IS ALL OVER REDDIT". Nobody cares about him. Nobody agrees with him. How much "karma" does he have? Chill out.

Riiiiight. When people post anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post, you claim that they're just trolls, and nobody cares about them. But you're full of concern and quick to defend posts by the same people when they claim that those who down-vote their posts are part of a JIDF conspiracy.

Now wait a second, I defended the troll when he was downvoted? No, I did not. Conspiracies to downvote any comments critical of israel are quite different from downvotes given to obvious trolls like gss99.

and most of them come with few submissions and a few thousand comments in their profile. That matches you dunnit ?

Look, anyone can feel free to look through my history. The one anti-conspiracy theory post I submitted was a link to a scientific journal. It is not like I am going around bating people into getting angry at me. I am mostly sick of people in this reddit and others claiming everyone who doesn't agree with their viewpoint is a troll/shill/disinfo agent. It is really insane. I rarely even visit r/conspiracy. Like I said, feel free to make a psychological profile on me based on my posts, but it seems like a waste of time.

I agree with you, in general. All of this nonsense needs to stop. The moderators need to step in and enforce reddiquette and the user agreement. That's all. If someone gathers evidence of a conspiracy to game the site, then that can be presented. If someone wants to discuss the idea of how people may be conspiring to game the site, that can be presented, but can't devolve into an inquisition or witch hunt, and the emotions need to be checked at the door.

The terrible part is that I DO strongly suspect that the ones who are causing all of the drama, saying "he's a shill! You're a disinfo agent! Go back to your conspiratard buddies!" etc. are actually the very people trying to disrupt the community.

I was told just last week I was on "the list" and now I see I'm not. How disappointing.

It's possible that multiple people are compiling such lists as this without collaboration. You may still be a winner. :P

rofl you marked me as a shill but im not, gg

Someone's paranoid!

Can you also make a list of Muslims?

Alright, just to give a report on my feelings or interpretation of this post and the comments posted at this time (3:30 pm CST, 05/19/2011):

Texmex is either

• a member of this community who is hypersensitive about trolls and shills, to the point of labeling individuals as trolls or shills or disinfo agents or members of r/conspiratard when they disagree with him

or

• A double-agent, that is, an agent provocateur of sorts, attempting to stir up an inquisition and make users of this community more paranoid than they need to be, and to paint us as morons who jump at the slightest thing.

I believe that the issue of a conspiracy to game the site, or this particular reddit, is a serious one and there are actual administrative mechanisms in place to prevent such things. That's right, the admins recognize the risk of conspiracy. The question is how we respond to that risk, and the risk of trolling and psychological operations here. I don't believe we can begin compiling databases and records on users, because who will be the judge? By what metric will you determine when someone is a troll, a shill, or just a skeptic, or someone who just doesn't find the content interesting?

There are two things that must be done to begin to resolve this. First, users must familiarize themselves with the tactics used by shills, disinformation sources, trolls, etc. and downvote material that matches those patterns, as well as commenting on exactly how that material is not constructive or does not facilitate meaningful conversation. Here are a few resources:

• http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm
• http://www.truthmove.org/content/disinformation/

Second, the moderators must take a more active role in enforcing the user agreement and reddiquette by removing the personal attacks and warning users who attempt to disrupt the flow of conversation. If the moderators don't care about this, then I respectfully propose that new moderators be selected to perform this duty.

edit: I've just read what illuminatedwax has stated regarding moderator activity in the reddit. It depends upon reports and messages to the moderators. They aren't likely to involve themselves if nobody notifies them of a potential problem. It is up to the users of the reddit to be proactive and click "report" and send messages to the mod mail if you suspect a downvote/upvote campaign.

edit2: Correction, report and message mods for trolls; message the admins and/or go to /r/ReportTheSpammers if you suspect a downvote/upvote campaign.

If we started a list of the most paranoid people on reddit, texmex would top the list. It's astoudning there are people as paranoid as texmex!

What is "hasbara" ?

Hebrew for "explanation". It basically means PR. The Israeli government talks a lot about how they need better "hasbara" in order to counter what they view as a skewed media perspective.

The Jews.

I wish I was joking.

I believe it. I think we should ask ourselves why Reddit even has a upvote downvote system in the comments. I can understand why they would want it in the threads but why the comments?

Because it creates the most hilarious drama, maybe

It's a program devised by the government of Israel wherein jews around the world work together to censor or "correct" anything that is critical of Israel or the jewish people. They have a program that you run on your computer that notifies you when something on the internet is criticising israel or is saying something potentially harmful to Israel's interests, and then you and tons of other jews will visit the link and leave comments or vote in the poll or whatever it is. That's the idea, at least. They also recruit college students to promote israel and criticise anyone who appears to be "anti-semitic" on campus. The JIDF is a related group.

People like jcm267 troll anyone who criticizes israel, as well as anything conspiracy or ron paul related. They may not be hasbara per se, but still follow similar patterns of behavior.

At least, this is my understanding of it. I could be wrong.

edit: typo

Sorry,you're saying 'they' are conspiring to prevent people from being aware that there is such a thing as anti-semitism? That is a really, really silly thing to believe. Please don't believe that. Seriousl.

http://www.thejidf.org/

if you don't like jews, Mumberthrax, then why did you vote down my anti-jew comment? Be consistent at least.

I have no problems with Jewish people. I don't like propaganda conspiracies, especially for a country with egregious human rights abuses like Israel.

I'm trying to tell people the truth. I've done a lot of research. I work for no one. I've been researching since 2006. In my opinion, the holocaust never happened. The jews were partly responsible for Pearl Harbor. The Jews were responsible for 9/11. The jews are now working on gaining control of US food supply. To understand how the jews operate, you need to read "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". They often use controlled opposition to maintain power.

That's fascinating. When you say "The Jews" are you referring to every single jew, or a group of jews who act independently from all of the others? I think that when you make such sweeping generalizations it makes you sound a little loony. Regarding the holocaust, what do you think about the photographs and the red cross report and the graves and things, then? I can imagine that it's possible that events didn't take place exactly as history records them, but find it difficult to believe that it never happened at all.

Still thinks he's not serious? Still think he's "just trolling?"

And btw, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a fully-discredited, anti-semitic hoax.

Yes, I do. I strongly suspect that he is a fake persona created as an excuse for you or others who are obsessed like you are to say "Look! an anti-semite! r/conspiracy is evil!"

You sound like a jew or a jew supporter. Both you and Rogerstrong. You sound like you guys do this crap for a living.

I don't have much sympathy for any jew. Who gives a shit about generalizations. If I'm speaking about 95 % of them then that's enough for me to make generalizations. I don't like black people either. yes, I've met one or two who didn't try to steal from me or kill me but I'll make generalizations about them because the majority of the blacks that I have met either were completely racist against me, stole something from me, stole something from my mom, or threatened to kill me. The majority of contact with blacks has been negative. I haven't seen one jew who I respected, either.

I"m a strong believer in racial genetics. Certain races have certain characteristics. The negro is dumb and lacks reasoning skills. The Jew doesn't like to work and likes to leech off of others. Lots of people are brainwashed to believe that we are all equal but I know that is not true.

continued...a holocaust means people were put to death. Jews and dissenters were not put to death. The reason you had pictures of graves is because when you herd people into a camp like cattle, that camp becomes your entire life. People inside the camp, ate there, they played soccer there...they went to theater inside the camp. They lived their lives inside the camp. Okay? So if someone dies of disease inside the camp, then there is going to be a complete record of that and a grave and everything. If someone dies inside a camp, that doesn't mean the Nazi's gassed them, it means Louse broke out and the disease spread and people died. That can happen lots of places. The Nazis did not want the Jews to die because they were using them for free labor.

Thanks for the list, dumbass, it's a great networking tool.

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Amendment One - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

No longer available to anyone except texmex and his neo-nazi scumbag friends. At least that's what he'd like you to think. And he wonders why so many of his racist rantings get downvoted.

Are you saying that if reddit bans users for trolling that it's against the constitution of the United States? The amendment only states that congress shall make no laws about those things. It says nothing about reddit banning users.

Now, the user agreement and reddiquette DO say things that are relevant here, but they are only selectively enforced and hold little value. The rule of the mob, or the "hive mind", is all that truly matters.

Also, calling him a neonazi or a scumbag is defamation, and does not invalidate his opinion or argument. If you want to attack his character, then do it separately from this issue.

And texmex calling those people disinfo agents or whatever is defamation and does not *validate his own argument.

Right, accusations without evidence aren't worth much. I'm hoping that polymathgonewild will provide me with evidence supporting his assertion that texmes is a neo-nazi.

As long as you hold texmex to the same standard, that's gold as far as I'm concerned.

Every comment on your account is hateful pro-authority sycophantic bullshit.

Sock puppet account.

Yes, it is pretty apparent that polymathgonewild is likely a sockpuppet, and not a very good one at that. It's too bad. I appreciate good sockpuppetry trolling, it's one of the most entertaining new forms of performance art I've seen. Part-timers like this just take up the form, but ignore the essence of the game.

reddit has been compromised, i haven't even bothered to come around here. reddits system is too easily manipulated its too easy to crush a small voice. what else can be done?>

Thank you so much guys. Makes me real proud!

I love you all!

Thanks for the list! I'll be sure to bring it up every time one of you desktop jihadists whine about megaphone hasbara whateverthefuck!

Conspiracy theorists compiling a list of Redditors to conspire against. OH THE IRONY lolololol!!!!

This is perhaps one of the most amusing things I've ever read in my life.

Please. The reddit admins are already in AIPACs pockets (notice, one of the administrators names is jedberg). It's already too late.

Aside from jedberg's username, do you have any evidence supporting the allegation of association with AIPAC?

Berg means mountain or hill in German.

YOU DO REALIZE THAT REDDIT IS OWNED BY A MEDIA COMPANY PROBABLY JEWISH. DUH. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN JEWISH CONTROLLED.

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Texmex, are you pro-jew or anti-jew?

Label this list "Anyone who has ever disagreed with TexMex and his neo-nazi friends."

That's the ONLY criteria to be on it.

Dumbass

So when do you put us on trains and wall us up in ghettos?

Wow... I'm not quite sure what i'm a shill for... can only think of one incident where some immature conspiracy nut called me a shill for the nuclear industry... I guess pointing out facts and demanding evidence is too much for some people.

Fuck you texmex, and thanks for noticing me :-)

I can understand being downvoted by posting a anti-jew statement in a pro-jew thread but why would I get downvoted by posting an anti-jew comment in an anti-jew thread? seriously, reddit, at least be consistent...and in the conspiracy forum of all places...I don't get it...let me know where I can post anti-jew comments and be supported

The biggest enemy the truth has is the ignorant of all things global Americans.

Now before you waste your down vote I am talking about the general indoctrinated by the now privatised version of operation mockingbird Americans and not the enlightened brethren here in reddit.

Main street has become struggle street and people are to busy trying to survive to care about what is true or not.

Also Reddit itself has means of shadow banning users and posts, some that have been of importance for truth seekers during world events.

Whoa, wait! Catch that thing! Oops. Looks like I wasted a downvote.

Again, you bring zero proof, or even reasonable evidence, that any of this is going on to hide Truth or whatever. AFAIK, shadow banning is for people who constantly spam with commercial sites.

So you say, with zero proof or even reasonable evidence.

I have been here many many years with many many user-names and have seen many times the shadow ban hit accounts that don't spam.

Shadow banning is a cute idea, but not practical for this, I imagine.

Idea? it occurs very regularly in reddit, the user logs in and all their comments and posts are there except they are the only one who sees them. so they don't know.

The process is designed to quieten people down and so they don't just open another user name and repost when banned

They always blame it on the spam filter which doesn't filter spam

Or maybe no one is responding to their posts because they as worthless?

Absolutely, Which is very often the case.

If I am shadow-banned and I see a change in the kind of voting I'm getting, if I log out will I still see my comments or posts? If I access the page from a different IP address while logged out, will it still be there?

It works to combat spammers who just focus on automated systems, but it seems like it wouldn't work well for long for individuals.

Sometimes they shadow ban to just a small percentage of the Reddit population.

then blame it on the spam filter

What can we do about it, can we have the reddit admin look into this?

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How do you know that they are behind the majority of the downvotes?

Have you contacted the admins?

Of course not. Because then they'd look into HIS posting history.

I haven't invested the time to go through it, but I assume that you have. What have you found that you believe the admins would be concerned about?

That would be anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post after anti-semitic post.... etc.

Not to mention posting enemies lists of other redditers.

Well, antisemitism is a fine word and all, but it doesn't really give any specific information. It doesn't cause me to have any particular emotional response except a groan and rolling of the eyes when the term is thrown out.

Besides, do you actually think that the reddit admins care about racism here? How often have you seen the user agreement enforced?

Anyway, do you have any shining examples of this anti-semitism? Not that the admins care, but if this guy is actuall a neo-nazi or white nationalist or whatever then it might be good to know. In the same way that it would be good to know whether someone is part of the JIDF or hasbara, etc.

Well, antisemitism is a fine word and all, but it doesn't really give any specific information.

Oh, come off it. "Neo-Nazi" might be open to question, but if you'd actually look at his posting history for the last few months, you'll see post after post after post where he blames Jews for everything that's ever gone wrong.

It's funny how you're open to the idea of everyone who disagrees with him being "JIDF or hasbara, etc.", "It would be good to know...", but entirely closed to the idea of him being a neo-nazi, let alone the easily-proven-if-you'd-only-look anti-semite.

I never claimed I was closed to the idea of him being a neo-nazi or a racist. I simply haven't yet seen evidence supporting the assertion. If you're so convinced that he is one, and you claim to see posts from him that prove it, then why not link them? I only looked at the first five pages of his comments before I realized it was a waste of time.

A list, from his first five pages:

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

AIPAC 101 — What Every American Should Know

Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College, a USMC Vietnam vet, a Jewish American says that Israel was behind 9/11 and that US military knows that:

Those are Zionist Neocons and you can name every one of them... we all know what they want: greater Israel and more wars with Muslims/Arabs to protect their state. Just look at how many dual-citizenship, Israel-firster traitors we have in our government... it's sickening.

Ted Koppel, former ABC news anchor & NPR contributor advocates the Israeli gov't stance on the pages of the WSJ:

It's just another Mossad false flag operation designed to keep Obama in check and to distract people with nonsense so they don't see the theft of a millennia that's happening on Wall St.

It's just bread & circuses for idiot goyim masses.

Another character, Philip J. Berg, is a jewish lawyer. This is all a Mossad job from start to finish.

Why do you still bother replying to me, Hasbara shill?

But if you show the facts that Jews are over-represented in US government, media, finance... if you show facts that CEOs of all of the Hollywood studios are jewish, you're thrown in jail, fired, called silly names

And if you dare point out at who the original terrorists are and who invented modern terrorism, they'll call cops on you.

Give this a listen: http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/2011/04/21/the-ugly-truth-podcast-april-21-2011/ It will explain pretty much everything wrt to revolutions in North Africa and Middle East. (In the thread "The CIA/Mossad's False Flag Terror Program to bring complete upheaval in the Middle East is taken up a notch!")

CIA & Mossad killed JFK mostly due to his Fed policies (research Executive Order 11110) and his stance towards Israel's secret nuke program

What else would you expect from another Hasbara? Not enough threads about killing Palestinians in /r/israel so you're now trolling /r/conspiracy? (About a copyright post in a copyright thread)

Can you guess where they are? Give up? Here's a clue: Following Zakheim And The Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 911

Over the years, I've come to realize that all these "Black Popers" and "Jesuiters" are either mentally ill or are Rothschild/zionist agents.

Israel was behind 9/11 and that US military knows that

that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies:

Alan Hart, retired BBC reporter and a man who knew both Golda Meir and Yassir Arafat has recently come out publicly and said that his sources tell him that Mossad was behind 9/11

the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.

Link to alexjonesexposed, a rabidly antisemitic web site.

Link to http:// pastie .org/1525926, a rabidly antisemetic webs page.

Link to http:// waronyou .com/topics/fractures-in-the-truth-movement/, full of holocaust denial and anti-jewish claims.

All of these seem to be about Israel, not about Jews - except for two:

• the comment about goyim being idiots. Id like to see the link for that one to get a better context.

• The other comment about how people who have mentioned that many jews have positions of prominence have been jailed, fired, or called names. I'd like to see the context on that one too.

The problem is that people say "you hate me because of my race/ethnicity" when the problem has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, but behavior of specific individuals, or the behavior of governments. I concede that there ARE truly racist people - I'm not a moron. I believe that there are some people who really do make generalizations about how all jews are evil.

Now, let's say that that somewhere in the archives of his posting history there are incidents of true racism.

So what? How does it affect any argument about a conspiracy about hasbara or disinformation agents conducting downvote campaigns or regularly trolling r/conspiracy?

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Before asking the admins directly, I thought I would ask r/help for input on the matter:

http://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/heul4/do_the_admins_care_about_groups_of_people/

does that list have jews on it? If so, I'll participate and downvote them.

That's terrible trolling. I give you a d+. lol

Funny how your quote doesn't show up in a Google search.

What is the Talmud Rikuda?

Yes, I agree that the two possibilities you mentioned are very reasonable conclusions.

I don't think I would call it a circlejerk. I would call it an attempt to sow distrust in the community.

http://www.truthmove.org/content/disinformation/

Paranoia/Divide and Conquer - one of the most effective ways to destroy a group is to sow distrust among members. COINTELPRO is known to have supplied false information in order create suspicion between authentic progressive activists. Seemingly paradoxically, disinformation agents may actually promote discussion of disinformation/infiltration in order to increase paranoia. Such efforts may be targeted at creating suspicion around real and effective evidence/materials/activists.

Oh snap, those rules are fantastic! Thank you for this information. Do you have a link to when people here on r/conspiracy said "no"?