what now?
4 2011-06-22 by v0xhumana
I do not really know, or care, if any of the conspiracy theories are true.
But, there is a very good chance that some are true, and that the truth has been hidden by a powerful group of conspirators.
What happens now? How should I react?
It seems to me that the best thing, the safest thing, is to ignore them, and hope they ignore me.
I want to hear how knowing, or suspecting, things about the government has changed your life.
EDIT: i want to thank everyone for being civil.
27 comments
4 [deleted] 2011-06-22
The best thing you can do is to try and reach one person at a time, and advise them to do the same. That's all you can really hope for at this point. It needs to be much more organic and from the ground up.
3 pickengrin 2011-06-22
In that case what does it matter? If you care enough to react; assemble the masses or write your politicians(ha)... Otherwise shut up and put your head back in that hole in the ground
3 v0xhumana 2011-06-22
"assemble the masses?" how can i compete, how can anyone compete with facebook and reality television?
and, supposing I had ten thousand people convinced that nobody had ever been to the moon, then what would I tell them to do?
if republicans and democrats have not realized that consolidating power would help them both, then they are too incompetent to be worth bothering with. so appeal to existing power is not an option.
4 necromanser 2011-06-22
Expose the media, expose the planned genocide, expose the controlled opposition, expose the two party system which are really answering to the same masters, predict things in advance and reel in the people who are disbelievers ... if you can. You will not believe the kind of efforts the tptb take to keep people in the dark.
3 BonzaiPlatypus 2011-06-22
As v0x said there is a very good chance that some of them are true. I'd even go as far as to say that you'd have to be an utter idiot to not think something was up with a lot of "conspiracies" that I've read into. There is a problem though...and v0x said it best with "how can canyone compete with facebook and reality television". Most people I know don't seem to give a flying fuck. They are so concerned with their daily lives and drama and seem to think it has no impact on them while one by one their rights and freedoms are being stripped away from them. Costs of living are rising at an incredible rate, largely in part due to the decisions of our policy makers which have and are being based on a lot of things that can be defined as bullshit and false flags. Yet still so few people seem to care, or have any knowledge of it all, or even want to learn about it. They don't even ask questions.
Honestly...the only thing I feel I can do at this point is just sit back and enjoy the ride. Laugh to myself while humanity screws itself out of everything that really makes us human. Good or bad...it'll at least be an interesting story.
4 necromanser 2011-06-22
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
2 BonzaiPlatypus 2011-06-22
Well placed quote!
1 i_am_scared_of_truth 2011-06-22
Well placed appreciation
2 jewdea 2011-06-22
The power of the right and left is already consolidated. That's the joke.
3 [deleted] 2011-06-22
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2 v0xhumana 2011-06-22
how? what do you mean by change something?
2 ididntchoosetobehere 2011-06-22
By 'something' I mean 'the system'.
How? If we voice our opinions and tell the truth instead of ignoring the politicians maybe we can achieve something.
2 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
Because people don't voice opinions already? Because people aren't already looking for and sharing whatever "truth" they can find? Because people are currently ignoring politicians?
The more and more time I spend evaluating the "truth" movement the more I realize how condescending the whole thing is. The whole "movement" is based on the presumption that most people are "sheeple"; if you want to preach "truths" you might as well tell everyone you know that they're a moron and wrong about everything while you're one of the few that actually knows what's going on...
1 ididntchoosetobehere 2011-06-22
Do you see a banner on the streets, saying - "the government is corrupt"?
I'm not a "truther." Though I think it's a bad definition. The movement is based on the truth, not on labeling others.
You can also be called a conspiritard, followed by a smirk on their faces.
1 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
how difficult is it to find popular people saying just that? what have these people accomplished other than getting people to try "waking up" others?
why do you think that more people thinking "the government is corrupt" will fix problems? how so?
what good is the "truth" if it's just "we're fucked!" with no plan of action?
who started it?
1 ididntchoosetobehere 2011-06-22
Saying and doing are different things.
The more people are aware, the more likely there will be a effective reaction.
Do you have a plan?
What do you mean?
1 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
agreed; but what does that have to do with anything? you asked if there were banners on the streets claiming the government is corrupt, I responded that there are plenty of popular people saying that exact thing. the question I got now is: what's so special about banners on the streets?
once again, what's the plan? what do you mean by "effective reaction"? violence?
Sure do; you can see everything I've found so far here: http://www.youtube.com/user/s1k3st937
Natural Law, avoiding fructose and getting lots of fiber, bodyweight exercise, cannabis, positive psychology, compassionate communication and permaculture
what do they all have in common? solutions...
nevermind; i made a mistake
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1 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
Writing a book or making a movie also means that the "person" does something and they're both a physical representation of words; plenty of people write books about the government being corrupt, or go on tv and talk about it, or make "documentaries" about it...
How do you expect to overcome the left-right paradigm?
Everything has to start somewhere and it's usually with yourself; be the change you want to see...
are you honestly suggesting that getting the whole country to vote for a particular third party would be easier than changing yourself and leading by example?
1 [deleted] 2011-06-22
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1 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
how long do you think it will take before enough people vote third parties in? do you really trust the people counting the votes?
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1 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
which is it?
2 [deleted] 2011-06-22
Right now the big picture isn't important, as it is impossible to discern the full picture of how things are now, let alone how they will be in the future. "Be the change," said Gandhi, "that you wish to see in the world." Intent, communication, and kindness will bring about what I think you're searching for, and once you open yourself to it, you'll realize that things aren't nearly as bad as you are sometimes led to believe.
2 [deleted] 2011-06-22
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2 v0xhumana 2011-06-22
perhaps you did not read the post.
2 [deleted] 2011-06-22
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2 [deleted] 2011-06-22
I suppose OP isn't content with just sitting around and watching TFA (things fall apart). He was seeking activists, but apparently that's not a serious endeavor for you all.
2 pickengrin 2011-06-22
It seems to me that OP is looking for responses with a more extreme approach... Just sayin
2 v0xhumana 2011-06-22
i don't know what i am looking for, that is why i was asking.
I am not content with just sitting around and watching things fall apart, but it looks like there is nothing else to be done. Are there other options?
1 pickengrin 2011-06-22
Your statement evades my thought... You are Looking for a certain type of response, waiting for someone to say something extreme. "You don't know what you are looking for"? What a joke....
1 v0xhumana 2011-06-22
"Your statement evades my thought" not sure what that means.
"some men just want to watch the world burn." I don't, but I want even less to burn it. However, it is burning, or smoldering at least, in a million places. I can't put it out by myself, and I can't rely on anyone else to help me.
It seems to me that the best thing is to ignore them (that is, the powers that be), and hope they ignore me.
is there anything else to do?
1 pickengrin 2011-06-22
Good try FBI
2 TruthWillSetUsFree 2011-06-22
Because people don't voice opinions already? Because people aren't already looking for and sharing whatever "truth" they can find? Because people are currently ignoring politicians?
The more and more time I spend evaluating the "truth" movement the more I realize how condescending the whole thing is. The whole "movement" is based on the presumption that most people are "sheeple"; if you want to preach "truths" you might as well tell everyone you know that they're a moron and wrong about everything while you're one of the few that actually knows what's going on...