Why do we need bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea.....
[eh, it's not a Jesus thing. That's just what they tell people to win elections. Besides, don't you want fuel for your car? I'm sorry, we gotta kill some brown people for that.]
we had about 3.5 billion on this planet in 1948 since we added diesel fuel to our agriculture system we doubled in population to 7 billion in 50 years. This is why when we run out and we will, billions will die from it because we will not be able to produce enough food fast enough. That to me sounds like one of the biggest problems will be facing in the near future.
The shit will hit the fan way earlier, when Saudi Arabia stops accepting the US Dollar in exchange for oil. This will signal to the rest of the world that the dollar has lost its value. China will demand payment on the huge debt we owe them but borrowing anymore by issuing bonds will be impossible since US treasuries will be downgraded.
its in Saudis interest to keep the dollar going. Saudi along with the other OPEC nations are the #3 largest holders of US Treasury Bonds ( http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt ). Saudi i think will just start bumping the price up for oil which has been happening for about a decade.
which oil fields? for example if the desert of Saudi becomes one big solar plant that electricity can not travel that far. electricity can only (economically speaking) travel a few hundred miles at the most. we can send it longer but that will make it more and more uneconomical. IMHO the way solar is gonna work in USA is most homes in suburbia will have to have solar installed.
You can, technically, create gasoline with electricity. It's all just a chemical reaction that requires an energy input. You'll lose some energy in the process, but since solar is "free" it'll be cost effective in the long run.
yes you are correct. the only issue i was bringing up was when transporting electricity we can only transport it so far - while being cost effective. the real solution will have to be for most homes to have their own solar systems on the roofs. petrol production is stuck at the 85 million barrel per day mark for the past 5 years. so it does not seem as if we can pump more oil. eventually (within the next decade) most cars will have to be hybrid vehicles so they will be fueled with electricity. since we can not pump more petrol and the demand is going up (because of Brazil, India, China and Africa) the price of each gallon is gonna go north.
Kadhaffi wanted to take Africa and the OPEC nations onto a gold-standard currency, namely- gold. Issued by Libya which has ~ 150 tons of the stuff. Oil could then only be traded by buying the Libyan currency. Something the Globalists and Banksters could not abide.
This is why the US and NATO are in Libya, fighting to back up the CIA-inspired rebellion.
You can google this. It was discussed at two separate international symposiums.
Seems I remember hearing that that old Saddam was about to switch Iraqi oil onto the Euro right before he was invaded, as well as muslim-style (no compound interest) banking taking root in Tunisia right before all the troubles.
it is not easy but the internet allows for decentralization...
also look into the Zapatista in Mexico they rotate their leadership every week or so I think
We are being raped and stolen from daily. Most of the foreclosures that have happened (well, about 6.5 million, anyway) were illegal because the Banksters took an all-paper system and digitized it. So the process of foreclosure on those homes was not in accordance with standing, established law. But the congress grandfathered the law making it legal.
My house was one of them. As to what would happen, I do not know. All I know now is that I have been robbed. And I am prepared to fight.
They don't have private central banks, and thus are not part of the NWO; their economies cannot be looted by the banksters who have looted ours. Well the banksters need more loot now, the NWO nations are about tapped; and therein lies WWIII. The low hanging fruit of Africa won't hold that pack of hyenas for long.
makes sense to me, except I feel like were already in WWIII and just in denial about it until were openly attacked. I will be really annoyed at any kind of 'we didn't do anything to deserve this' attitude from the gov, media, and the people who can't think for themselves
US fighting on 5 fronts on 2 continents, NATO fighting on 3 fronts on 3 continents does technically amount to a world war. But most people have been conditioned not to believe it until the major powers come directly to blows, and the mushroom clouds begin to sprout. Too late to prepare by then though.
"The countries of the world will enter that third great war with open eyes, but they won't understand what is happening." ~ Matthias Stormberger
nope I'm prepare with a supply of food, water and if I need to I'm prepared to even walk over a hundred miles into the Sierra Nevada mountains for safety and take my chances in the woods if I need to. I know it sounds crazy but I won't stay close to or trust an ignorant society
Indeed; safe haven is more than a tank of gas away from any urban area. Make it a tank and a quarter, 'cause they are going to walk a while after they run out.
I already live out of the city in the country where the pop is just under 100K people but I think it's still not far enough. another reason I want to get out of here if shit hits the fan is there is a Masonic temple in town that makes me nervous
I live in southeast Tennessee. I've been getting some pretty solid whispers of christian dominionists organizing and arming @ around platoon strength, financed by a local individual.
Anything in your neck of the woods? This shit spooks me, and I'm stepping up my ammo aquisition and my drill.
wow, this past friday me and my mom were sitting and talking about some military stuff and a guy sitting next to us joined in and mentioned that he was former military too and some are organizing here in central california. my mom told me that people have talked about doing this for years tho but she didn't know that it was already organized, I don't know any details about it yet but I'm just as spooked. from what I can tell from the things I've seen, it seems like this month were going to start seeing collapse, definitely when aug 2 hits and the US defaults. that is no joke about an apocalyptic event that I don't even know how to describe other then picture the dollar being useless as money to buy and sell things world wide
The collapse has already started, we're just to close to see it (Jared Diamond) Basic research projects are being cut, civic projects are failing and being ignored, national treasuries are being raped while the aqueducts tumble into ruin.
The process can be accelerated, slowed, halted, or reversed. The main consideration is our collective will. Here, I fear, is where we will fail.
I find a 12 ga. to be a bit of comfort, and a good friend to the end.
yes were in the process of collapse but this is like the phase where everyone is asleep to it while there is still time to prepare, what I'm talking about is where we go into the next phase where it's to late to prepare and something triggers everyone to wake up, snap out of the denial and realize how bad it really is.
you'll have people like in Alabama and in Joplin MO where people came together and helped each other or there will be places, most likely major cities where people act worse then in New Orleans and start shooting and looting. that will be "the tipping point" where we go into that phase and I think it could happen as soon as a few months to this week. where one thing will put us in the next phase, all we can do is prepare and watch for the next phase to start
Except, there is no real fighting going on. There are very minor police actions. The actual wars last a few days at best. They they turn into hostile military occupations. So, no, we are not in WW3. When we are, you will know it. There will be actual, wisespread battles going on, not a few bombs dropped on the houses of civilians.
that's why you give your missiles to china and let them put it on a boat. if german u-boats made it off the east coast of the US then whats to stop china or someone from making it to the west coast?
There is strong evidence that indicates North Korean nuclear tests have all been failures, or at the very least require several tons worth of dynamite to "work."
Well I'm hardly going to claim that would be impossible, but surely it is markedly more difficult to sneak about these days then it was back when the u-boats were doing it. Technology has come quite a long way since then-- should we be worried carrier groups will suddenly appear at Pearl Harbor again?
I know about how the navy find submarines today using an E-2C hawkeye. I can tell you it wouldn't stop a sub from trying or a few carrier groups from trying either the US pacific fleet is pretty big and it's how that guy is right about the US surrounding the world, it just can't be everywhere at the same time
Oh, I have no idea really. I was just trying to point out that because German U-Boats made it to the east coast is not a guarantee that a sub could sneak up on the West Coast.
major cities could be targets but other then the entertainment industry I don't know whats worth blowing up in hollywood, there is a nuke plant further down the coast that would do a lot of damage to the whole area. why anyone would put it there on the coast next to a fault line is beyond logical. do your own reaserch, get to know your local area and learn the history about it
i have no fucking clue, he looked it up on the internet then told us. i've been thinking about this all day now, I mean, turkey there could be an argument, as in the past they expressed interest in joining the EU, even though I'm pretty sure there is a relatively strong argument that they are not in fact part of europe.
but fucking switzerland, I mean, you know, hard to find it when it's all the way tucked down there in the direct center of the continent between the most recognizably european nations..
While, I think, Iran will provide a very opportunistic next country to invade, as far as propaganda is concerned, I think it's more important to look at the areas around the countries we've been invading and ponder what they have.
Southeast Asia has a dickfuck of untapped oil. Afghanistan has a dickfuck of raw ore (iron, silver and gold, among others), Iraq is a good place to sit and watch Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and make sure they're behaving.
Iran, I think, is being vilified by most media and would be an even better forward operating base and observation point to keep watch on much larger petroleum producers and other places where there are resources that the U.S. simply can't or won't produce for itself.
Sorry, forward observation point? So nevermind the countless satellites the gov't has in its service, the invasions are necessary so the US can get close enough to have a good peek?
I don't mean to simplify. I just know that when you surround the borders of a country by occupying every country around it. I'm pretty sure I'd call that strategic advantage.
Here is a list of countries that border Iran: Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Armenia and Pakistan. If you include naval borders you could include: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Oman.
The US has military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya (not even close to Iran). I'll even grant you Pakistan.
This isn't to say that Iran won't become a target in the future (though I think it would be stupid to do so), but your argument is horrendously simplistic.
When is France going to launch an attack on Monaco, or South Africa on Lesotho?
We most certainly will be in Saudi Arabia if we arn't running black ops there already.
However. That is 3 countries we are trying to control just around Iran. Those three (Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.) Share the largest sections of Iran's border.
Libya, Yemen and Somalia are different cases of course.
But, if you don't think that we are in these countries to gain a strategic advantage to eventually take over Iran, than what is the point?
Which is why iran would be stupid to not be developing nuclear weapons. Of course they've been developing the things since long before the war on terror. But before that there was the Iran Iraq war and the soviets in Afghanistan at the same time.
makes sense to me, except I feel like were already in WWIII and just in denial about it until were openly attacked. I will be really annoyed at any kind of 'we didn't do anything to deserve this' attitude from the gov, media, and the people who can't think for themselves
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33 Kranky_Old_Dude 2011-07-03
Any idiot with a map could look at the countries we occupy and realize that we've finally surrounded the mother fucking globe
Halleluiah, halleluiah, Amen - Praise Jesus!!!
11 KnightKrawler 2011-07-03
You mean..a map kind of like this:
http://www.chartingstocks.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/us_military_iran.jpg
5 sumdog 2011-07-03
Why do we need bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea.....
[eh, it's not a Jesus thing. That's just what they tell people to win elections. Besides, don't you want fuel for your car? I'm sorry, we gotta kill some brown people for that.]
4 [deleted] 2011-07-03
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2 WTFppl 2011-07-03
Dude, all of humanity is in need of a good lynching. Might help people start taking life seriously and responsibly!
2 revtrot 2011-07-03
what will happen when the world can not pump out enough oil? IMHO thats when the shit will hit the fan.
2 billsang1 2011-07-03
billions will die
1 revtrot 2011-07-03
i think you are correct. how they are alive today is also hard to understand.
2 billsang1 2011-07-03
we had about 3.5 billion on this planet in 1948 since we added diesel fuel to our agriculture system we doubled in population to 7 billion in 50 years. This is why when we run out and we will, billions will die from it because we will not be able to produce enough food fast enough. That to me sounds like one of the biggest problems will be facing in the near future.
0 Dunceparty 2011-07-03
The shit will hit the fan way earlier, when Saudi Arabia stops accepting the US Dollar in exchange for oil. This will signal to the rest of the world that the dollar has lost its value. China will demand payment on the huge debt we owe them but borrowing anymore by issuing bonds will be impossible since US treasuries will be downgraded.
2 revtrot 2011-07-03
its in Saudis interest to keep the dollar going. Saudi along with the other OPEC nations are the #3 largest holders of US Treasury Bonds ( http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt ). Saudi i think will just start bumping the price up for oil which has been happening for about a decade.
1 PersonOfInternets 2011-07-03
If Saudi Arabia tried that, the US would just come up with a reason to invade, just like Iraq and Libya.
-1 DoctorMiracles 2011-07-03
Convert oil fields to solar energy farms = profit.
3 revtrot 2011-07-03
which oil fields? for example if the desert of Saudi becomes one big solar plant that electricity can not travel that far. electricity can only (economically speaking) travel a few hundred miles at the most. we can send it longer but that will make it more and more uneconomical. IMHO the way solar is gonna work in USA is most homes in suburbia will have to have solar installed.
3 PersonOfInternets 2011-07-03
It would only cost 500 billion USD. We should have done it ten years ago when the towers fell. Instead, we went the way of war.
1 gnovos 2011-07-03
You can, technically, create gasoline with electricity. It's all just a chemical reaction that requires an energy input. You'll lose some energy in the process, but since solar is "free" it'll be cost effective in the long run.
1 revtrot 2011-07-03
yes you are correct. the only issue i was bringing up was when transporting electricity we can only transport it so far - while being cost effective. the real solution will have to be for most homes to have their own solar systems on the roofs. petrol production is stuck at the 85 million barrel per day mark for the past 5 years. so it does not seem as if we can pump more oil. eventually (within the next decade) most cars will have to be hybrid vehicles so they will be fueled with electricity. since we can not pump more petrol and the demand is going up (because of Brazil, India, China and Africa) the price of each gallon is gonna go north.
1 southwestont 2011-07-03
they keep the bases their to keep china in check
28 seeker135 2011-07-03
Kadhaffi wanted to take Africa and the OPEC nations onto a gold-standard currency, namely- gold. Issued by Libya which has ~ 150 tons of the stuff. Oil could then only be traded by buying the Libyan currency. Something the Globalists and Banksters could not abide.
This is why the US and NATO are in Libya, fighting to back up the CIA-inspired rebellion.
You can google this. It was discussed at two separate international symposiums.
EDIT: Accuracy of data
10 sun827 2011-07-03
Seems I remember hearing that that old Saddam was about to switch Iraqi oil onto the Euro right before he was invaded, as well as muslim-style (no compound interest) banking taking root in Tunisia right before all the troubles.
Funny how that seems to happen...
3 seeker135 2011-07-03
Welcome to the enlightened. Now we just need to organize.
1 rotethat 2011-07-03
Is there a way to organize without hierarchy?
1 seeker135 2011-07-03
Sure. Just like meet ups.
1 southwestont 2011-07-03
it is not easy but the internet allows for decentralization... also look into the Zapatista in Mexico they rotate their leadership every week or so I think
6 mothereffingteresa 2011-07-03
Tons, not pounds.
3 seeker135 2011-07-03
I can't believe I mis-read that. Thank you very much for the correction. :)
4 SoundSalad 2011-07-03
Never considered this until now. Thanks for the eye opener.
2 rmm45177 2011-07-03
If the currency did change, wouldn't the western economy just get even worse?
2 seeker135 2011-07-03
We are being raped and stolen from daily. Most of the foreclosures that have happened (well, about 6.5 million, anyway) were illegal because the Banksters took an all-paper system and digitized it. So the process of foreclosure on those homes was not in accordance with standing, established law. But the congress grandfathered the law making it legal.
My house was one of them. As to what would happen, I do not know. All I know now is that I have been robbed. And I am prepared to fight.
1 inevitablesky 2011-07-03
Good point, but don't you mean Gaddafi? How has no one noticed this yet.
1 seeker135 2011-07-03
The man himself has spelled it several ways.
16 [deleted] 2011-07-03
Any idiot with a map could look at the countries were invading and realize that we're just protecting Israel with our military.
3 anunnaki77 2011-07-03
nice fix..
13 nkktwotwozero 2011-07-03
Average Americans are super-idiots without maps.
8 badavila20 2011-07-03
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3 FlapScrap 2011-07-03
Some, people out there, in our nation don’t have maps, and uh.
10 bittermanscolon 2011-07-03
Well they are part of the "Axis of evil", G Dub said so.....
12 badavila20 2011-07-03
interesting how most of the "Axis of evil", Libya, China, and even Russia don't want to use the dollar for trade
13 s70n3834r 2011-07-03
They don't have private central banks, and thus are not part of the NWO; their economies cannot be looted by the banksters who have looted ours. Well the banksters need more loot now, the NWO nations are about tapped; and therein lies WWIII. The low hanging fruit of Africa won't hold that pack of hyenas for long.
18 badavila20 2011-07-03
makes sense to me, except I feel like were already in WWIII and just in denial about it until were openly attacked. I will be really annoyed at any kind of 'we didn't do anything to deserve this' attitude from the gov, media, and the people who can't think for themselves
17 s70n3834r 2011-07-03
US fighting on 5 fronts on 2 continents, NATO fighting on 3 fronts on 3 continents does technically amount to a world war. But most people have been conditioned not to believe it until the major powers come directly to blows, and the mushroom clouds begin to sprout. Too late to prepare by then though.
"The countries of the world will enter that third great war with open eyes, but they won't understand what is happening." ~ Matthias Stormberger
3 badavila20 2011-07-03
nope I'm prepare with a supply of food, water and if I need to I'm prepared to even walk over a hundred miles into the Sierra Nevada mountains for safety and take my chances in the woods if I need to. I know it sounds crazy but I won't stay close to or trust an ignorant society
2 s70n3834r 2011-07-03
Indeed; safe haven is more than a tank of gas away from any urban area. Make it a tank and a quarter, 'cause they are going to walk a while after they run out.
0 badavila20 2011-07-03
I already live out of the city in the country where the pop is just under 100K people but I think it's still not far enough. another reason I want to get out of here if shit hits the fan is there is a Masonic temple in town that makes me nervous
6 natus-lucis 2011-07-03
I live in southeast Tennessee. I've been getting some pretty solid whispers of christian dominionists organizing and arming @ around platoon strength, financed by a local individual.
Anything in your neck of the woods? This shit spooks me, and I'm stepping up my ammo aquisition and my drill.
3 badavila20 2011-07-03
wow, this past friday me and my mom were sitting and talking about some military stuff and a guy sitting next to us joined in and mentioned that he was former military too and some are organizing here in central california. my mom told me that people have talked about doing this for years tho but she didn't know that it was already organized, I don't know any details about it yet but I'm just as spooked. from what I can tell from the things I've seen, it seems like this month were going to start seeing collapse, definitely when aug 2 hits and the US defaults. that is no joke about an apocalyptic event that I don't even know how to describe other then picture the dollar being useless as money to buy and sell things world wide
2 natus-lucis 2011-07-03
The collapse has already started, we're just to close to see it (Jared Diamond) Basic research projects are being cut, civic projects are failing and being ignored, national treasuries are being raped while the aqueducts tumble into ruin.
The process can be accelerated, slowed, halted, or reversed. The main consideration is our collective will. Here, I fear, is where we will fail.
I find a 12 ga. to be a bit of comfort, and a good friend to the end.
2 badavila20 2011-07-03
yes were in the process of collapse but this is like the phase where everyone is asleep to it while there is still time to prepare, what I'm talking about is where we go into the next phase where it's to late to prepare and something triggers everyone to wake up, snap out of the denial and realize how bad it really is.
you'll have people like in Alabama and in Joplin MO where people came together and helped each other or there will be places, most likely major cities where people act worse then in New Orleans and start shooting and looting. that will be "the tipping point" where we go into that phase and I think it could happen as soon as a few months to this week. where one thing will put us in the next phase, all we can do is prepare and watch for the next phase to start
2 DoctorMiracles 2011-07-03
Balkanization and civil strife. Ah yes, best cure for what ails us... hey, it worked wonders in East Europe! shudders
2 tttt0tttt 2011-07-03
Except, there is no real fighting going on. There are very minor police actions. The actual wars last a few days at best. They they turn into hostile military occupations. So, no, we are not in WW3. When we are, you will know it. There will be actual, wisespread battles going on, not a few bombs dropped on the houses of civilians.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-03
Not sure why you're being downvoted for this?
3 skysonfire 2011-07-03
The "Axis of Evil" was Iran, Iraq and North Korea.
4 badavila20 2011-07-03
right, they ALL don't want to trade using the dollar
8 katyn 2011-07-03
Ya I do this in civ 5 all the time.
7 ih8registrations 2011-07-03
It's the PNAC plan for Israel.
3 big_boy_pants 2011-07-03
Not if you use the official Fox News world map.
Then it's obvious we are surrounding Mypos
3 redawn 2011-07-03
now i have to get the map...
2 [deleted] 2011-07-03
And they will attack Europe because america is too far away for them
1 badavila20 2011-07-03
but china, north korea and russia have a navy and missiles that can make it to the US main land.
EDIT: don't forget pakistan has the most nukes
5 enjoiturbulence 2011-07-03
North Korea can barely make it to Japan and that missile cost a fifth of their GDP plus the help of Iran. North Korea is not a threat.
1 badavila20 2011-07-03
that's why you give your missiles to china and let them put it on a boat. if german u-boats made it off the east coast of the US then whats to stop china or someone from making it to the west coast?
3 enjoiturbulence 2011-07-03
There is strong evidence that indicates North Korean nuclear tests have all been failures, or at the very least require several tons worth of dynamite to "work."
-1 badavila20 2011-07-03
true but china and pakistan would be willing to work together and pakistan has plenty of working nukes
1 mdaniel018 2011-07-03
Well I'm hardly going to claim that would be impossible, but surely it is markedly more difficult to sneak about these days then it was back when the u-boats were doing it. Technology has come quite a long way since then-- should we be worried carrier groups will suddenly appear at Pearl Harbor again?
1 badavila20 2011-07-03
I know about how the navy find submarines today using an E-2C hawkeye. I can tell you it wouldn't stop a sub from trying or a few carrier groups from trying either the US pacific fleet is pretty big and it's how that guy is right about the US surrounding the world, it just can't be everywhere at the same time
1 [deleted] 2011-07-03
If you wanted to be efficient in not being found wouldn't you just turn off all the tech in your sub? How are we tracking submarines?
1 mdaniel018 2011-07-03
Oh, I have no idea really. I was just trying to point out that because German U-Boats made it to the east coast is not a guarantee that a sub could sneak up on the West Coast.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-03
right. I get what you're saying.
1 gnovos 2011-07-03
In the case of North Korea: Hollywood. Would Kim Jong Il ever even think of attacking anywhere near Hollywood?
1 badavila20 2011-07-03
major cities could be targets but other then the entertainment industry I don't know whats worth blowing up in hollywood, there is a nuke plant further down the coast that would do a lot of damage to the whole area. why anyone would put it there on the coast next to a fault line is beyond logical. do your own reaserch, get to know your local area and learn the history about it
2 gnovos 2011-07-03
I was making a joke about Kim Jong Il's movie fetish.
1 badavila20 2011-07-03
wait what? he's into American films?
1 VapeApe 2011-07-03
North Korea wouldn't bomb mainland US. They would bomb our military installations they could hit. Oh, and South Korea.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-03
the problem is land troops a lot harder to move all the hardware via air or boat than by land.
2 Lachtan 2011-07-03
I heard same thing about Russia and American's missile bases around the world.
2 knowless 2011-07-03
I just had a job with a guy who claimed switzerland was not in europe, so maybe there's a shortage of maps in the US? idduno.
2 cojoco 2011-07-03
But it's not in the EU, so he's sort-of right.
1 rmm45177 2011-07-03
Where did he think it was?...
2 knowless 2011-07-03
i have no fucking clue, he looked it up on the internet then told us. i've been thinking about this all day now, I mean, turkey there could be an argument, as in the past they expressed interest in joining the EU, even though I'm pretty sure there is a relatively strong argument that they are not in fact part of europe.
but fucking switzerland, I mean, you know, hard to find it when it's all the way tucked down there in the direct center of the continent between the most recognizably european nations..
2 zero_iq 2011-07-03
He probably thought it was just west of Australia...
1 illuzion25 2011-07-03
I think you're over simplifying the matter.
While, I think, Iran will provide a very opportunistic next country to invade, as far as propaganda is concerned, I think it's more important to look at the areas around the countries we've been invading and ponder what they have.
Southeast Asia has a dickfuck of untapped oil. Afghanistan has a dickfuck of raw ore (iron, silver and gold, among others), Iraq is a good place to sit and watch Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and make sure they're behaving.
Iran, I think, is being vilified by most media and would be an even better forward operating base and observation point to keep watch on much larger petroleum producers and other places where there are resources that the U.S. simply can't or won't produce for itself.
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5 mdaniel018 2011-07-03
Sorry, forward observation point? So nevermind the countless satellites the gov't has in its service, the invasions are necessary so the US can get close enough to have a good peek?
5 [deleted] 2011-07-03
I don't mean to simplify. I just know that when you surround the borders of a country by occupying every country around it. I'm pretty sure I'd call that strategic advantage.
2 rotten_miracles 2011-07-03
Here is a list of countries that border Iran: Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Armenia and Pakistan. If you include naval borders you could include: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Oman.
The US has military operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya (not even close to Iran). I'll even grant you Pakistan.
This isn't to say that Iran won't become a target in the future (though I think it would be stupid to do so), but your argument is horrendously simplistic.
When is France going to launch an attack on Monaco, or South Africa on Lesotho?
2 [deleted] 2011-07-03
We most certainly will be in Saudi Arabia if we arn't running black ops there already. However. That is 3 countries we are trying to control just around Iran. Those three (Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.) Share the largest sections of Iran's border. Libya, Yemen and Somalia are different cases of course. But, if you don't think that we are in these countries to gain a strategic advantage to eventually take over Iran, than what is the point?
2 cojoco 2011-07-03
Whereas Iraq and Afghanistan were not stupid ???
0 thealienelite 2011-07-03
dickfuck? You, sir, are a literary genius!
-1 GavriloPrincep 2011-07-03
me too: "dickfuck", hear hear! jolly well said old chap, hmm dickfuck,.. mumble mumble ...
1 31109b 2011-07-03
I would wager the average American wouldn't be able to find Iran or any of the countries on a map if you handed them one.
4 VapeApe 2011-07-03
Naw man, the name is written on it. We'd find it eventually.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-03
Could I get a map here?
0 modestokun 2011-07-03
Which is why iran would be stupid to not be developing nuclear weapons. Of course they've been developing the things since long before the war on terror. But before that there was the Iran Iraq war and the soviets in Afghanistan at the same time.
-1 sh3pherd 2011-07-03
Or israel?
-1 MockingbirdMan 2011-07-03
We are surrounding Russia and China, dont give a major fuck about Iran.
18 badavila20 2011-07-03
makes sense to me, except I feel like were already in WWIII and just in denial about it until were openly attacked. I will be really annoyed at any kind of 'we didn't do anything to deserve this' attitude from the gov, media, and the people who can't think for themselves
4 badavila20 2011-07-03
right, they ALL don't want to trade using the dollar