You are not paranoid. The feds have tens of thousands all over the world who do nothing but feed disinfo via social networking and alternative media sites. They even have computer programs that generate usernames and replies to comments that help spread the disinfo.
I believe HBGary (they may have changed their name) is one of the companies who are paid by the feds to do this work. They were caught in a scandal a while back when company emails were found that discussed some of the really underhanded methods used to keep the public in the dark about what the governments in the usa and the uk are doing.
He also has formed a cult. These kids, like yourself, buy his books and send him money. They have absolutely ruined the internet with their smoke and mirrors bullshit.
Paul is also an anti-American asshole with an isolationist foreign policy.
His domestic policies would cause a depression.
Do yourself a favor pumpkin and get out of the cult!
As bad as the man himself is, his supporters are worse. They are probably his worst enemy in politics, next to those racist, homophobic, anti-American news letters.
There are no 'shills" hon. That's just a name given to anyone who disagrees with him by his cultists. Sometimes they just refer to them as trolls. It's easier than admitting the man is a loser.
Just curious. What makes you assume that I support Ron Paul?
Let's play devils advocated....(i'm independent btw)
You obviously don't know much about Ron Paul. You are making a lot of false accusations with nothing to back them up with. How is he racist? How is he anti-American? You make it seem like Ron Paul is the only candidate out there. You must feel extremely threatened by him to go to these extreme measures to slander him.
I don't really support any politician. I don't contribute to any of them. If the vote was tomorrow I could support Romney or Obama. Most the other candidates are fringe. Appealing to religious fanatics or folks like Potheads.
LOL, sorry kid, no one is threatened by a 5% guy. Except of course the extremely gullible who he sucks into his cult! He really plays to these wet behind the ears kids who like all generations are just looking for a cause. The difference with him is he has turned them into paranoid conspiracy theory freaks. He remind me of a Jim Jones!
Paul told CNN's "The Situation Room" Thursday that he didn't write any of the offensive articles and has "no idea" who did. Watch Paul's full interview with CNN
"When you bring this question up, you're really saying, 'You're a racist' or 'Are you a racist?' And the answer is, 'No, I'm not a racist,'" he said.
You are incapable of providing facts to back up any of your claims. You are extremely disrespectful for a multitude of reasons. I completely understand why you have -1600 karma.
Paul owns the news letters until he tells who wrote them. These were written over 10+ years. No one in their right mind would allow this to go on without a care.
WTF did you expect him to say?
In 1996 Paul defended the news letters saying they were typical of the times. Lew Rockwell, a friend and fellow racist of Paul's, has been named as a suspect as well. They are still thick as thieves today!
All of Paul's positions are in inherently racist. Especially his opposition to civil rights laws. He's slick though, I will give him that. It's been nice chatting!
Don't sweat the karma kid! There are 2 Paul supporter websites burying my comments! Such is life!
One place I see this (but alas, have no proof) is r/apple as well as various apple user forums.
Normally, things chug along and us actual users of apple stuff discuss and debate our issues. Then something controversial, especially when damning to the apple or the competition comes up, and the traffic goes through the roof.
Anti-apple or pro-competitor comments get voted sky-high, while the reverse get buried.
It just stands out from the day-to-day pattern and tone of the discussion. But fairly impossible to prove.
In its statement, G4 said that the company had originally found a Digg power user who also had other social networking accounts, including one on Reddit. G4 had traded games, then later money to this individual in return for them submitting stories to the social-news site.
When this much evidence has already surfaced, Occam's Razor dictates that the data is almost certainly valid. There are corporate, govt, and ideological disinfo agents in the reddits and there have been since nearly the beginning.
Look at the whole comment thread. There are a number of links that show examples of all three types of "gamers", ideological (like the pro Israel social media tools), govt (the recent HBGary stuff is dead on), and corporate (G4 and many others have attempted to game reddit in the past).
Who knows whom, and what friends do they have in common?
How frequently are certain people communicating with one another?
How symmetrical is the communication between people?
Who are the quietest/chattiest people in a network?
Who are the most influential/popular people in a network?
What are people chatting about (and is it interesting)?
It always reminds me of the comns monitoring hinted at in the dialogue of the V for Vendetta film. The government was portrayed as being in a feedback loop between iterating on its public policies and gauging reaction based on intercepted comns. I don't think that's at all far from the truth.
From Richard Aldrich's GCHQ: The uncensored story of Britain's most secret intelligence agency:
Recent job advertisements for Cheltenham state: "At GCHQ, we are leaders in the emerging field of data stream mining," and that "the next few years are guaranteed to be an exciting time" because of several new technologies which are "set to dramatically change the way large volumes of information are analysed". Areas in which GCHQ is currently looking for skilled personnel include "development and interrogation of large databases", "data-warehousing" and "machine learning" The latter is defined as "classification, prediction, clustering, pattern finding".
This was in 2008.
I was watching a National Geographic programme about "Hermit Kingdom" North Korea and Kim Jong's cult of personality earlier, wondering if the koreans had documentaries on how oppressive it is living under western imperialists, when something caught my attention as they listed the restrictions on cell phones and broadcast media.
We can communicate freely because it's monitorable. The bars on our prison are transparent. My father openly says "Don't say anything over the phone you wouldn't shout across a crowded room."
You can think outside of the box as much as you want, you'll only think yourself into a bigger box.
It's part of a bigger picture of statecraft. It's not just arbitrary. It's the maintenance of a monolithic control structure.
Fortunately all of these tools are open source. Learn to code yesterday. Write a script to anonymously rent a VPS, set yourself some sock puppets up and start telling people how to empower themselves. en masse.
Why not employ their tactics for a diametrically opposed cause, if you really think these are tactics they're employing?
That's pretty much how I see it. They can just watch the echo chamber of "public opinion". The government training for the "grassroots democracy"(conspicuously harmonious with American interests) is so wide spread. The shame of it is real people don't know or care that its happening.
Which is why I was completely serious about DIY sockpuppets. It's quite literally a force multiplier and a simple enough concept to grasp that any amateur propagandist could do it. Not just people with vested interests. Imagine
bringing consensus to online discussions with "Actually, the sky isn't falling. Yes our institutions are fucked, but it also falls upon you to replace them."
This thread in particular isn't ridiculous (imho), but wading through flagrant bullshit comes with the territory.
Shapeshifting reptillians, Faked moon landing, UFOs (rather than black budget spy planes)
Those are just a handful I've come to ignore by default when the real meat lies in that sweet spot between high level corruption and supressed technologies. (imho)
Considering how many governments around the world have publicly acknowledged that we have experienced a number of UFOs of extraterrestrial origin, you are still ignoring those data points?!? Are you one of those people who have to view something personally to accept it into your worldview?
Definitely not trying to beat you up or anything. Just incredulous that there are thinking people in the world that still don't believe in ETs given the evidence and testimony (from ex-military witnesses) that is so widely available now.
A canadian aircraft company released a press statement in Life magazine during the 40s about having created a rounded omnidirectional aircraft. The statement was aparrently retracted the following week. The nazis were aparrently working on similar aviation methods.
Personally I'm not saying governments haven't witnessed (..or bought) "flying saucers", I just doubt they're ET in origin.
There's a very slim probabilistic chance we're alone in this 3 × 108080 cubic meters. There's a slimmer chance, with that kind of distance, we'd ever meet an ET organism save for (very high latency) radio communication.
Often, it isn't necessarily the topic; rather, it's the presentation of it.
Aliens, UFOs, and Black Budget [Military] Aircraft <-- the potential for overlap of these three separate topics is where the disinfo artists and fanatical bloggers wreak havoc on the playing surface. Like drunken college kids playing football on a golf course fairway while a troupe of monkeys tries to rape the football.
EDIT: Wait. Did you see that? Over there... was that bigfoot?
See how easy it is to turn it into a tabloid article for ridicule?
Yeah, this one wasn't the best one to make that ascertation, as I could kinda see it happening, even if I don't think it actually is. It did make me say "Really?" though.
I've often suspected that many of the extreme, crazy posts are submitted to deliberately turn the average reader away from more reasoned posts on the same general topic. They are used as a way of poisoning the waters, so to speak, so that no one wants to even become involved in the discussion.
Example, 9/11 conspiracy theorists. There is good reason to believe that Israel, and perhaps even the CIA, had some foreknowledge about the attacks, but this never gets talked about because it is overwhelmed in all the crazy posts about missiles and planted explosives.
there was a redditor that came public with his reddit bot network and actually allowed users to use his botnet for a limited time... you can be damn sure that there's a massive botnet that's out here to promote certain ideals.
Banking = Government + Israel + Energy (sale of energy vs. sale of energy generation -- e.g., giant farms to sell electricity by the unit of energy, indefinitely forever and ever for profit amen vs. selling smaller units to the public creating energy independence and a communityst grid) + Big Pharma (the "legal" drug cartel) + Agriculture (Monsanto) + Media + [this list goes on and on and on: colleges and the student loan scam, even supposedly humanitarian groups get caught in the pervasive umbrella of the bankster control]
There were MANY others that have been outed to varying degrees. A few minutes on google should unearth some if you still doubt the veracity of my assertions.
Oh no I don't doubt you at all, I was just wondering if you had links at hand. I remember microsoft doing something similar as a kind of marketing thing, and to dissuade people from trying linux. Like I said in another post in this thread, it's an issue of statecraft, ultimately. Bigger than corporate image. Can't have parasites without a host.
Corporate, maybe. Zionist, without a doubt. I don't think the American government has yet started to invade Reddit, however. I just don't get that vibe yet. Of course I could be wrong.
Actually I think the first post shows it best with roughly 2/3 of people believing 9/11 conspirators are full of shit. Great to see a predominance of rationalism on Reddit.
Sure, goes without saying really. The more interesting question would be reddit's "shill" / bot to person ratio. On "hot" topics I'd say pretty close to 1-to-1. The retarded reddit hivemind is far too succulent of a fruit. Yum!
There are some, but it's mostly brainwashed people. Yes, you and I are part of those brainwashed in some way as long as we're part of the system. Think about the times you upvote something funny, entertaining or stupid. You're helping the system.
In a culture where you can't even hide from marketing and advertising and any public place where more than handful of people gather is flooded with ads both political and commercial, that this even viewed as speculation is actually a bit comical.
I mean c'mon, you can't even lay on the beach without someone hiring a plane towing ads to fly past you. How many people are on Reddit now?
Reddit is a big fat spin/disinformation/viral marketing target for every group with an agenda. The only question is how many of them there are working at this.
And it's not just downvoting, but submitting stories and artificially inflating them to the front page. Upvoting can be used as well to promote certain ideologies.
Why, some ask? There's a memetic war being waged on the internet, and some people realize the significance of it, even on "small" sites like Reddit. It's the same reason the msm is controlled.
Anyone who's been here since Reddit's inception has to be painfully aware of this trend. It is glaringly obvious.
Clearly the only thing bigger than your paranoia is your ego.
You guys should listen to yourselves sometimes... yes, I'm very sure
the gubment has no other way of dealing with unfavorable people than voting them down on an internet message board. Surely they go to great lengths to do so. You should have seen Bin Laden's karma... man was that low!
But now that funkyipod has uncovered our intricate conspiracy we will have to come up with a new masterplan to keep r/conspiracy down! Curses!
Extremely...there's something fundamentally flawed about the internet connection I'm using (I'm in the field, rather than at the home office) so I'm offline more often than I'm on.
Reddit is filled with people mature enough to recognize crap when they see it, despite the 14 year old socially maladjusted kids who often populate conspiracy sites.
Of course don't let that stop you from believing that the government hires people just to sit on reddit and downvote your posts.
Actually I think the first post shows it best with roughly 2/3 of people believing 9/11 conspirators are full of shit. Great to see a predominance of rationalism on Reddit.
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51 doc58 2011-07-14
You are not paranoid. The feds have tens of thousands all over the world who do nothing but feed disinfo via social networking and alternative media sites. They even have computer programs that generate usernames and replies to comments that help spread the disinfo.
I believe HBGary (they may have changed their name) is one of the companies who are paid by the feds to do this work. They were caught in a scandal a while back when company emails were found that discussed some of the really underhanded methods used to keep the public in the dark about what the governments in the usa and the uk are doing.
16 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
You're right. Not only are there tens of thousandsof gov shills, I wouldn't be surprised if reddit has been infiltrated by various corporate shills.
34 KirbyG 2011-07-14
That's ludicrous.
Why don't you just go enjoy an ice-cold Coca Cola and calm down a little?
27 cojoco 2011-07-14
Nice try, Pepsi.
6 JudoTrip 2011-07-14
Smooth one, water.
3 cojoco 2011-07-14
Tap water, to you.
7 fuckingkillme11441 2011-07-14
You've got nothing to worry about, son!
3 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
I didn't know it was possible to get that much negative karma!
2 Hughjarse 2011-07-14
Off topic, I know but: This guy got double that for one comment.
2 Hunter_o 2011-07-14
Apparently they called it "downmodding". Weird.
2 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
Wow. I wish I could downvote that still.
1 jcm267 2011-07-14
That was LouF's comment. LOL!
-3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
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3 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
I'm not a kid or your kid. You have -1650 karma. Seems like it's you doing the playing.
What exactly is your beef with Ron Paul, anyway? Are you a shill? Most likely.
2 [deleted] 2011-07-14
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1 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
Ha, interesting. Thanks!
-2 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
He's a racist for starters.
He also has formed a cult. These kids, like yourself, buy his books and send him money. They have absolutely ruined the internet with their smoke and mirrors bullshit.
Paul is also an anti-American asshole with an isolationist foreign policy.
His domestic policies would cause a depression.
Do yourself a favor pumpkin and get out of the cult!
As bad as the man himself is, his supporters are worse. They are probably his worst enemy in politics, next to those racist, homophobic, anti-American news letters.
There are no 'shills" hon. That's just a name given to anyone who disagrees with him by his cultists. Sometimes they just refer to them as trolls. It's easier than admitting the man is a loser.
2 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
Just curious. What makes you assume that I support Ron Paul?
Let's play devils advocated....(i'm independent btw)
You obviously don't know much about Ron Paul. You are making a lot of false accusations with nothing to back them up with. How is he racist? How is he anti-American? You make it seem like Ron Paul is the only candidate out there. You must feel extremely threatened by him to go to these extreme measures to slander him.
May I ask who you support?
-4 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS
I don't really support any politician. I don't contribute to any of them. If the vote was tomorrow I could support Romney or Obama. Most the other candidates are fringe. Appealing to religious fanatics or folks like Potheads.
LOL, sorry kid, no one is threatened by a 5% guy. Except of course the extremely gullible who he sucks into his cult! He really plays to these wet behind the ears kids who like all generations are just looking for a cause. The difference with him is he has turned them into paranoid conspiracy theory freaks. He remind me of a Jim Jones!
1 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
You didn't answer my most important questions....
1 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
See, since I began chatting with you my karma dropped 7 points. Kids!
1 Nolubrication 2011-07-14
Conspiracy nut!
0 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
Why did I think you might be a Paul supporter? Well, you seem kinda whacky!
1 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
Straight from the horses mouth:
You are incapable of providing facts to back up any of your claims. You are extremely disrespectful for a multitude of reasons. I completely understand why you have -1600 karma.
0 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
Paul owns the news letters until he tells who wrote them. These were written over 10+ years. No one in their right mind would allow this to go on without a care. WTF did you expect him to say?
In 1996 Paul defended the news letters saying they were typical of the times. Lew Rockwell, a friend and fellow racist of Paul's, has been named as a suspect as well. They are still thick as thieves today!
All of Paul's positions are in inherently racist. Especially his opposition to civil rights laws. He's slick though, I will give him that. It's been nice chatting!
Don't sweat the karma kid! There are 2 Paul supporter websites burying my comments! Such is life!
0 jcm267 2011-07-14
IRREFUTABLE FACTS ABOUT RON PAUL
Links proving that Ron Paul is a racist, and possibly a "White Nationalist"
2 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
NoNoLibertarians, you forgot to sign back in to your negative karma account :P Thanks for the info, I'll read over it in little bit.
0 jcm267 2011-07-14
I'm not NoNoLibertarians you conspiracy nut!
3 infinitymind 2011-07-14
Speaking of Coca-Cola --- here's an interesting video I came by the other day, about the corrupt coke.
13 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
It's a matter of public record that there are corporate shills in the reddits.
5 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Corporate and political, or am I being redundant? ^
3 thaksins 2011-07-14
One place I see this (but alas, have no proof) is r/apple as well as various apple user forums.
Normally, things chug along and us actual users of apple stuff discuss and debate our issues. Then something controversial, especially when damning to the apple or the competition comes up, and the traffic goes through the roof.
Anti-apple or pro-competitor comments get voted sky-high, while the reverse get buried.
It just stands out from the day-to-day pattern and tone of the discussion. But fairly impossible to prove.
1 cojoco 2011-07-14
Refs, please.
11 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Here's an easy one. There are MANY others.
3 zenslapped 2011-07-14
And another... http://blogs.computerworld.com/17852/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propaganda
5 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
crazy shit
3 jambonilton 2011-07-14
Tens of thousands?
1 Sroek 2011-07-14
They don't need disinfo agents when they can just cultivate stupid people via propaganda and environmental poisoning. Occam's Razor.
10 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
When this much evidence has already surfaced, Occam's Razor dictates that the data is almost certainly valid. There are corporate, govt, and ideological disinfo agents in the reddits and there have been since nearly the beginning.
1 Sroek 2011-07-14
I'd like to see the evidence.
4 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
I commend your inquisitive spirit!
Look at the whole comment thread. There are a number of links that show examples of all three types of "gamers", ideological (like the pro Israel social media tools), govt (the recent HBGary stuff is dead on), and corporate (G4 and many others have attempted to game reddit in the past).
39 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
Rather than participating, I think the government would be keen to see how far a story gets naturally (ie without them voting on it).
I'd be far more concerned about passive analysis.
It always reminds me of the comns monitoring hinted at in the dialogue of the V for Vendetta film. The government was portrayed as being in a feedback loop between iterating on its public policies and gauging reaction based on intercepted comns. I don't think that's at all far from the truth.
From Richard Aldrich's GCHQ: The uncensored story of Britain's most secret intelligence agency:
Recent job advertisements for Cheltenham state: "At GCHQ, we are leaders in the emerging field of data stream mining," and that "the next few years are guaranteed to be an exciting time" because of several new technologies which are "set to dramatically change the way large volumes of information are analysed". Areas in which GCHQ is currently looking for skilled personnel include "development and interrogation of large databases", "data-warehousing" and "machine learning" The latter is defined as "classification, prediction, clustering, pattern finding".
This was in 2008.
I was watching a National Geographic programme about "Hermit Kingdom" North Korea and Kim Jong's cult of personality earlier, wondering if the koreans had documentaries on how oppressive it is living under western imperialists, when something caught my attention as they listed the restrictions on cell phones and broadcast media.
We can communicate freely because it's monitorable. The bars on our prison are transparent. My father openly says "Don't say anything over the phone you wouldn't shout across a crowded room." You can think outside of the box as much as you want, you'll only think yourself into a bigger box.
It's part of a bigger picture of statecraft. It's not just arbitrary. It's the maintenance of a monolithic control structure.
Fortunately all of these tools are open source. Learn to code yesterday. Write a script to anonymously rent a VPS, set yourself some sock puppets up and start telling people how to empower themselves. en masse.
Why not employ their tactics for a diametrically opposed cause, if you really think these are tactics they're employing?
4 abowlofcereal 2011-07-14
That's pretty much how I see it. They can just watch the echo chamber of "public opinion". The government training for the "grassroots democracy"(conspicuously harmonious with American interests) is so wide spread. The shame of it is real people don't know or care that its happening.
5 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
Which is why I was completely serious about DIY sockpuppets. It's quite literally a force multiplier and a simple enough concept to grasp that any amateur propagandist could do it. Not just people with vested interests. Imagine bringing consensus to online discussions with "Actually, the sky isn't falling. Yes our institutions are fucked, but it also falls upon you to replace them."
The reason this grassroots democracy thing is so american is because it's being funded by the likes of Google and Pepsi. http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/03/twitterers-of-the-world-unite-the-digital-new-left-as-controlled-opposition-part-1/
33 Aswas 2011-07-14
The Megaphone desktop tool is a Windows Zionist Propaganda instrument developed by Give Israel Your United Support (GIYUS) and distributed by World Union of Jewish Students, World Jewish Congress, The Jewish Agency for Israel, World Zionist Organization, StandWithUs, Hasbara fellowships, HonestReporting, and other pro-Israel public relations organizations.
11 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
You're not paranoid. Anyone who doesnt think so is naive.
9 BlueJoshi 2011-07-14
DAE suspect that r/conspiracy is filled with people who submit ridiculous things to discredit conspiracy theorists?
13 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
This thread in particular isn't ridiculous (imho), but wading through flagrant bullshit comes with the territory.
Shapeshifting reptillians, Faked moon landing, UFOs (rather than black budget spy planes)
Those are just a handful I've come to ignore by default when the real meat lies in that sweet spot between high level corruption and supressed technologies. (imho)
5 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Considering how many governments around the world have publicly acknowledged that we have experienced a number of UFOs of extraterrestrial origin, you are still ignoring those data points?!? Are you one of those people who have to view something personally to accept it into your worldview?
Definitely not trying to beat you up or anything. Just incredulous that there are thinking people in the world that still don't believe in ETs given the evidence and testimony (from ex-military witnesses) that is so widely available now.
1 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
A canadian aircraft company released a press statement in Life magazine during the 40s about having created a rounded omnidirectional aircraft. The statement was aparrently retracted the following week. The nazis were aparrently working on similar aviation methods.
Personally I'm not saying governments haven't witnessed (..or bought) "flying saucers", I just doubt they're ET in origin.
There's a very slim probabilistic chance we're alone in this 3 × 108080 cubic meters. There's a slimmer chance, with that kind of distance, we'd ever meet an ET organism save for (very high latency) radio communication.
2 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Wow. That's a very 50's viewpoint I think. We've learned a lot since then.
3 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
Well, depending on the quality of the project bluebeam holographs, I'm up for admitting I'm wrong and old-fashioned. :P
2 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Yeah, if Jeebus appears in the sky, I think I'll have to call shenanigans. :-)
3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Often, it isn't necessarily the topic; rather, it's the presentation of it.
Aliens, UFOs, and Black Budget [Military] Aircraft <-- the potential for overlap of these three separate topics is where the disinfo artists and fanatical bloggers wreak havoc on the playing surface. Like drunken college kids playing football on a golf course fairway while a troupe of monkeys tries to rape the football.
EDIT: Wait. Did you see that? Over there... was that bigfoot?
See how easy it is to turn it into a tabloid article for ridicule?
1 BlueJoshi 2011-07-14
Yeah, this one wasn't the best one to make that ascertation, as I could kinda see it happening, even if I don't think it actually is. It did make me say "Really?" though.
3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
I really don't think it's ridiculous, but you're entitled to think whatever you want.
1 treebright 2011-07-14
Yes, I think here is a clear example.
1 tttt0tttt 2011-07-14
I've often suspected that many of the extreme, crazy posts are submitted to deliberately turn the average reader away from more reasoned posts on the same general topic. They are used as a way of poisoning the waters, so to speak, so that no one wants to even become involved in the discussion.
Example, 9/11 conspiracy theorists. There is good reason to believe that Israel, and perhaps even the CIA, had some foreknowledge about the attacks, but this never gets talked about because it is overwhelmed in all the crazy posts about missiles and planted explosives.
8 FemaCampDirector 2011-07-14
No, I don't.
0 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Then you haven't been paying attention...
5 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Ahem...Look at his username.
2 FemaCampDirector 2011-07-14
I assure you we have been paying attention. Move along citizen or I have a place for you.
2 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
I always liked camp! Can I bring my wife and kids with me? Make it a whole family thing..
1 FemaCampDirector 2011-07-14
Of course!
8 paintme 2011-07-14
No. Not paranoid. One of the smart ones.
7 [deleted] 2011-07-14
You're not paranoid. Bots are easy to apply.
2 infinitymind 2011-07-14
there was a redditor that came public with his reddit bot network and actually allowed users to use his botnet for a limited time... you can be damn sure that there's a massive botnet that's out here to promote certain ideals.
2 californiarepublik 2011-07-14
you got a link for that?
6 mothereffingteresa 2011-07-14
HBGary automates downboating. So, yeah.
4 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
That's just the one we know about publicly. There are many others that have not yet been made high profile.
6 DogXe 2011-07-14
If you can conceive of the idea and it's benefits, I'm pretty sure they, and other groups have.
6 SilentNick3 2011-07-14
Nah, you're just paranoid.
6 redawn 2011-07-14
government
israel
gay
nuclear
banking
big pharma
those are all the down voting blocks i have noticed thus far...
0 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Banking = Government + Israel + Energy (sale of energy vs. sale of energy generation -- e.g., giant farms to sell electricity by the unit of energy, indefinitely forever and ever for profit amen vs. selling smaller units to the public creating energy independence and a communi
tyst grid) + Big Pharma (the "legal" drug cartel) + Agriculture (Monsanto) + Media + [this list goes on and on and on: colleges and the student loan scam, even supposedly humanitarian groups get caught in the pervasive umbrella of the bankster control]EDIT: formatting
5 tttt0tttt 2011-07-14
No. I do however think it is filled with Zionist shills that downvote.
20 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Then you are myopically focused on only one threat vector. There are many govt and corporate shills as well and this fact is well documented.
1 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
documented where?
9 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
Here are a couple of examples: G4 gets caught.
HBGary also splashed big.
There were MANY others that have been outed to varying degrees. A few minutes on google should unearth some if you still doubt the veracity of my assertions.
5 LinksOrGTFO 2011-07-14
You sir, don't have to GTFO. You may stay.
3 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
Oh no I don't doubt you at all, I was just wondering if you had links at hand. I remember microsoft doing something similar as a kind of marketing thing, and to dissuade people from trying linux. Like I said in another post in this thread, it's an issue of statecraft, ultimately. Bigger than corporate image. Can't have parasites without a host.
1 beyondwithinitself 2011-07-14
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0 tttt0tttt 2011-07-14
Corporate, maybe. Zionist, without a doubt. I don't think the American government has yet started to invade Reddit, however. I just don't get that vibe yet. Of course I could be wrong.
5 [deleted] 2011-07-14
I moved by comment to a new submission http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ipuyw/the_redditgoogle_partenership_conspiracy/
4 Noxton 2011-07-14
Nothing to see, citizen. Move along.
4 ToKeYMonsTeR 2011-07-14
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/956411--u-s-military-using-fake-online-ids-in-sock-puppet-operation
They admit to doing it around the world, and they openly admit to spying on U.S. citizens, so they probably do it here too.
4 entropy_police 2011-07-14
Here's a neat live example
Downvotes for the divergent thinkers.
Upvotes for the guy who knows a guy that said so, therefore it must be true.
3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Thanks for that. I just put my two cents in.
-2 no1name 2011-07-14
Actually I think the first post shows it best with roughly 2/3 of people believing 9/11 conspirators are full of shit. Great to see a predominance of rationalism on Reddit.
3 SuperSumoYakuza 2011-07-14
All social networks of any significance have various govt and private factions trying to game them with varying degrees of success.
3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Yes, and it's not just reddit.
Have we forgotten the HB Gary fiasco already? Reddit has a fairly significant population, and you can bet that it's targeted by HB Gary (the us gov't)
3 HOW_ARE_BABBIES_FORM 2011-07-14
Sure, goes without saying really. The more interesting question would be reddit's "shill" / bot to person ratio. On "hot" topics I'd say pretty close to 1-to-1. The retarded reddit hivemind is far too succulent of a fruit. Yum!
3 JudoTrip 2011-07-14
NOTHING TO SEE HERE
2 beavis420 2011-07-14
Nah, I think the CIA is too busy making twitter accounts and reporting on the arab spring.
2 IDontWorkForRailroad 2011-07-14
Meta-conspiracy?
2 gruevy 2011-07-14
No, I don't think so.
2 [deleted] 2011-07-14
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
2 4morebeers 2011-07-14
Now you will get so paranoid about this ,you won't post on reddit anymore
2 sonicon 2011-07-14
There are some, but it's mostly brainwashed people. Yes, you and I are part of those brainwashed in some way as long as we're part of the system. Think about the times you upvote something funny, entertaining or stupid. You're helping the system.
2 gustoreddit51 2011-07-14
Duh. No, you're not paranoid.
In a culture where you can't even hide from marketing and advertising and any public place where more than handful of people gather is flooded with ads both political and commercial, that this even viewed as speculation is actually a bit comical.
I mean c'mon, you can't even lay on the beach without someone hiring a plane towing ads to fly past you. How many people are on Reddit now?
Reddit is a big fat spin/disinformation/viral marketing target for every group with an agenda. The only question is how many of them there are working at this.
2 allmen 2011-07-14
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-government+spy/pn-3
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/analytical/intelligence-collection-analyst.html
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/clandestine/core-collector.html
http://www.fbijobs.gov/239.asp#ha
1 thetimeisnow 2011-07-14
and upvote
1 Itsonlyfourinches 2011-07-14
Probably, just don't believe ANYTHING!!!!
1 rmm45177 2011-07-14
Yes, I don't doubt that there are shills spreading misinformation, but I don't think there are that many on reddit.
You have to remember that downvotes are fuzzed and that everyone has their own opinions on certain topics.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Fair enough. Just seems like some of the mods downvote anything controversial, before it has a chance to be shared.
3 ImJulianAssange 2011-07-14
It is not the mods.
It is admins.
1 sharked 2011-07-14
IDF internet troll division checking in. "were going to have to go ahead and downboat this".
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
I'm not sure what IDF is..but whatever.
1 jwgmac 2011-07-14
Israeli Defense Forces
1 SteveZIZZOU 2011-07-14
i don't think i know.
1 tummypierced 2011-07-14
reddit is the last place they'd look for dissidence. your safe here children. go back to sleep.
1 mushpuppy 2011-07-14
Corporate moles too.
1 atm_snowball 2011-07-14
Careful lads maybe this guy is a bot gathering research data on us.
1 aviopticus 2011-07-14
No. Now go back to your browsing.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
And it's not just downvoting, but submitting stories and artificially inflating them to the front page. Upvoting can be used as well to promote certain ideologies.
Why, some ask? There's a memetic war being waged on the internet, and some people realize the significance of it, even on "small" sites like Reddit. It's the same reason the msm is controlled.
Anyone who's been here since Reddit's inception has to be painfully aware of this trend. It is glaringly obvious.
1 r0t0r00t 2011-07-14
I do.
0 astrodad 2011-07-14
Maybe /r/conspiracy was set up by the government to keep us blind to the real conspiracy!
0 atm_snowball 2011-07-14
It might be happening but is the userbase big enough to warrant it extensively
0 ChaosMotor 2011-07-14
Don't say downboat it makes you look like a circlefag.
0 rotethat 2011-07-14
You may be paranoid, all right, but this question is not a sign. They surely are here: Information. We want information.
0 momzill 2011-07-14
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
0 Fountainhead 2011-07-14
Well it certainly isn't the shitty posts!
-1 wednesdays 2011-07-14
Clearly the only thing bigger than your paranoia is your ego.
You guys should listen to yourselves sometimes... yes, I'm very sure the gubment has no other way of dealing with unfavorable people than voting them down on an internet message board. Surely they go to great lengths to do so. You should have seen Bin Laden's karma... man was that low!
But now that funkyipod has uncovered our intricate conspiracy we will have to come up with a new masterplan to keep r/conspiracy down! Curses!
2 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Wednesdays, bless your heart. Also, perhaps have a cocktail and relax.
-3 wednesdays 2011-07-14
Heh, I'm not the one who thinks the government is out to get me on the internet.
I think we could both do with a drink or two.
2 SHAGGSTaRR 2011-07-14
Someone is disagreeing with me on the internet?!
Must be a government sockpuppet.
-1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
I'm from the government, I collect vast amounts of personal information about a particular group of individuals, and I used to work in the MIC.
Regardless, I don't downboat any more than I upboat... ;)
Oh, and did I mention my rather Masonic family?
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Do you get bored at work?
-1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Extremely...there's something fundamentally flawed about the internet connection I'm using (I'm in the field, rather than at the home office) so I'm offline more often than I'm on.
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
What do you do in the field?
-1 IWasOnCopsOnce 2011-07-14
This is even too paranoid for r/conspiracy
-1 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
You are paranoid as hell. There are folks on reddit smart enough to play to your juvenile mind and make you believe that they are indeed agents.
The internet is filled with paranoid conspiracy freaks such as yourself. Get a grip son, reddit is NOT that important,
If you will excuse me, I have to go to my weekly Legion Of No Meeting.
2 [deleted] 2011-07-14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfwwHa-7Ux8&feature=channel_video_title
-1 NoNoLibertarians 2011-07-14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU
-2 BlueJoshi 2011-07-14
DAE suspect that r/conspiracy is filled with people who submit ridiculous things to discredit conspiracy theorists?
1 [deleted] 2011-07-14
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1 BlueJoshi 2011-07-14
Meant to be DAE, "Does Anyone Else."
1 crazykoala 2011-07-14
thanks, I should have knowed that
-4 [deleted] 2011-07-14
What's a downboat?
2 crazykoala 2011-07-14
hipster slang for downvote
-4 no1name 2011-07-14
You're paranoid.
Reddit is filled with people mature enough to recognize crap when they see it, despite the 14 year old socially maladjusted kids who often populate conspiracy sites.
Of course don't let that stop you from believing that the government hires people just to sit on reddit and downvote your posts.
3 [deleted] 2011-07-14
Thanks for that. I just put my two cents in.
-2 no1name 2011-07-14
Actually I think the first post shows it best with roughly 2/3 of people believing 9/11 conspirators are full of shit. Great to see a predominance of rationalism on Reddit.
1 SoundSalad 2011-07-14
You didn't answer my most important questions....