NASA is hiding the recent images of Elenin.
135 2011-09-06 by [deleted]
Since the STEREO telescope showed Elenin's turn and that it hasn't broken up about Aug 31, SECCHI went off line. It just came back on line, but has added no new images to it's gallery. That usually happens after 24 hours. They are way late.
If you go to the NASA site, there are images, but since the turn and evidence that Elenin hasn't broken up, the image quality is so bad that you can't see anything let alone Elenin.
Here's what it looked like before Sept 1 2011: NASA
Here's what it looks like after Sept 1 2011. . : NASA
Here's how you can see what I'm talking about:
Go to this site: NASA
Select from the Telescope list > Behind HI1
Select a decent resolution > I use 1024x1024
Under Display select > Slideshow
Start Date > 20110826
End Date > 20110904
Click the "Search" button.
It will create a video showing how the quality became useless just after Elenin turns and was still clearly visible on Aug 31.
The quality of the images at NASA is so bad now that you can't see anything.
Images since Sept 1 are still not available at SECCHI. This site has much higher quality images, so if you want to see Elenin's make an apparent turn (this not an issue) and that it hasn't broken up (this is the issue), I suggest you go there.
Go to SECCHI website.
At the bottom select "Multi-day SECCHI tool".
Enter these values:
Telescope > HI1
Observatory > SECCHI-B
Image size > 1024x1024
Date > 20110825
Duration (Days) > 9
At the start, Elenin is just below and to the right of the letter "y" in Mercury. It moves against the star background up. As the lens flare (looks like a ring or oval) comes out from the right, it intersects with Elenin at "25/50 20110828_024901_tbh1B.png"
According to John Gossop, here's what Elenin looked like on Sept 2.
Here's what comets look like when they break up:
Image 02 (4th image down)
**Update*** > No new independent images of Elenin in the last 24 hours.
The SECCHI website came back on line and has the final latest images of Elenin, but it is now left it's field of view.
If you want to see the last images of Elenin go here: http://secchi.nrl.navy.mil/js_secchi_day.html
Enter these values:
Telescope > HI1
Observatory > SECCHI-B
Image size > 1024x1024
Date > 20110827
Duration (Days) > 9
At the start of the video Elenin is on the right of the screen a little bit above center to the left of where the lens flare comes from about two inches, moving up.
To me it looks like comet Elenin is still significant and not broken up. Also Elenin changes brightness significantly in the last few frames.
Elenin has now moved out of the field of view of Stereo B and is obscured by the Sun from Earth based telescopes.
We won't be getting any new images until late September, unless NASA re-positions Stereo B.
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16 VanillaPudding 2011-09-06
look at background stars. Also note on image 214 it jumps time frames almost 2h instead of the 20 or so min time frames it had been. The 215 to 216 it jumped 4h... But the background stars change a lot. And then frame 216 to 217 it jumps 3h and the background stars move again.... This progresses with each frame from this point. With each of the drastic changes between each frame look at the changes of time between frame and background star location. The scope is moving! Is it possible something has happened to the scope and it can't get images? SECCHI seems to just show the ones it could take.
10 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Satellites are always on the move on an orbital path. This same adjustment was also visible on august 1st-8th 2011.
There is actual information out there on elenin from actual scientists. There is no conspiracy around elenin. Its just garbage.
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4 VanillaPudding 2011-09-06
Yes, and I ask out of ignorance to the scope you link to. I have no idea really how much it moves or what it looks like and shows when it moves. Or if it even moves much...
But I am very interested in the concept.
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1 shadowkhas 2011-09-06
It's on the same orbit, yes, but it's slowly moving away from us, iirc.
3 [deleted] 2011-09-06
This is related. It appears to be written by the guy himself Leonid Elenin:
http://spaceobs.org/en/2011/09/03/comet-elenin-the-final-prospect/
Quote for the lazy:
Overall, the most scientifically interesting thing is the breakup scenario, but unfortunately right now the comet is not visible to the largest telescopes or even the Hubble Space Telescope because of its close angular distance from the Sun (small elongation). On the other hand, amateur astronomers, awaiting this comet which might have been visible to the unaided eye, will now not see it, at least visually in their telescopes and binoculars.
What do you think?
9 FacedJared 2011-09-06
So what does this mean? What are they trying to hide? Please fill me in.
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9 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Whether or not it actually breaks up is pretty much irrelevant seeing as its not coming closer than 90x the distance away from the moon.
Its simply too small to have any effect on us. We've seen bigger comets come closer in the past and our orbit has even passed through comet comas before. But we're still here. Elenin is a small comet. Its not in the news because it is insignificant, despite what fear mongers tell you.
3 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
But it IS in the news, and the prevailing message is to KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON. When the MSM won't even milk the obvious story for ratings, that's a sign it's time to look deeper.
3 Dr__House 2011-09-06
There were over 100 comets the size of elenin discovered this year alone. They don't get news coverage because they are insignificant. Why conspiracy theorists latched onto elenin is besides me.
I wonder if you'll still have any belief in this theory after the comet has left the system?
Do you think its a brown dwarf or something? If so, do you realize we would see it with our naked eyes very clearly, and it would have already affected the orbits of our planetary neighbors to a disastrous degree?
If its in the news AT ALL its probably because it's gotten soo much attention from the conspiracy communities. Yet when the actual astronomers and scientists speak on it, oddly, the conspiracy theorists are nowhere to be found in the crowd... Its really strange how that works out.
2 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
I know it's not a brown dwarf. Those are quite large and we would definitely know if it was by now.
2 californiarepublik 2011-09-06
What's the obvious story? It seems like a non-event.
2 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
And the MSM never, ever milks non-events for ratings. ಠ_ಠ
1 californiarepublik 2011-09-06
They do not, however, hype up EVERY non-event for ratings.
Just pointing out, the mere fact that something is not on TV does not indicate a conspiracy.
1 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
I agree. BUT.
It's not even not on TV. They talk about it, but it's always a short blurb about 'nothing to see, carry on'. I mean, look at the media circus surrounding Sheen and any number of Republican senator scandals. Those are definitely bigger non-stories than a course changing comet. But we don't get multiple news cycle coverage of the comet, just 'hey some nuts said this, not a big deal'. They didn't even try to bring on experts to downplay it.
THAT'S all I'm saying.
1 californiarepublik 2011-09-06
It's just not a very interesting story.
There's a little comet that will have no effect on Earth, where is the narrative hook?
The only interesting point is that some people think its the end of the world. Perhaps we'll see more stories on that soon.
2 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
Some people think taxation on the top 1% of the rich in this country will destroy America as we know it. There's no narrative hook there because that's mathematically false, and the opposite of accepted financial logic. But the news saw a chance to invent a narrative hook that will service both the agenda of the elites and the few numbskulls that still give these channels ratings.
The MSM is far past needing probable reason to invent a narrative around an issue.
2 [deleted] 2011-09-06
It is insignificant, it is however strange that a comet will take a turn like that, it's not un-ordinary for a comet to break up during the fastest part of it's orbit however it's pieces will usually follow the same orbit path..
if it has indeed taken a turn, then it is unusual but still probably nothing that cannot be explained with reason. I could bet it really is all coincidental, it is however a strange series of events regardless.
Comet from a not common section, makes an uncommon turn, nasa lies about it and doesn't release anything new...
It's just a bit strange, whether or not there is any significance however really doesn't matter. I will still continue to read until there's some solid answers as to what is actually going on (seems to be a lot of confusion atm)
5 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Nasa has hardly reported on it. In fact we are largely relying on amateur astronomers to track it. The reason? Its a small, insignificant comet. Of which over 100 were discovered this year.
I personally think that the trajectory of the comet has in fact remained unchanged. If it had changed inexplicably, amateur astronomy would be scrambling. This would be major news.
2 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
Amateur astronomers ARE scrambling. And our news doesn't even report 200 protestors getting arrested in front of the White House, so what makes you think they'd report that a comet just TURNED and may come (astronomically or otherwise) close to our planet?
3 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Can you provide any valid, non conspiracy website based materials stating that the comet has suddenly and unexpectedly shifted direction?
They are scrambling? First I've heard of it.
2 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
No, I can't.
If the comet had changed direction, do you believe that the MSM would cover it? I honestly don't have the education to take the raw data and provide a definitive yes or no on this, but I do think it's worth the research others are putting in. I don't expect unbiased results from the primary orgs, and perhaps I shouldn't from the independents either.
5 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Whether or not they did the worlds amateur astronomers would notice. In fact we are largely relying on amateur astronomy for the majority of observations around elenin.
They can't just hide this kind of stuff from us...
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2 Dr__House 2011-09-06
I am not but I am personal friends with one. I was looking at it with him back on the night of the 1st - morning of september 2nd.
Some quick googling turned up this post from the 3rd which claims it has broken up. It also provides reasoning for the lack of recent images (some conspiracy sites are hosting alleged photos from australia on the 6th that are not actually elenin - but a completely different object and you can see this with simple comparison).
I just gave my buddy a call and he actually picked up (its 5am). He tells me elenin is not visible in the current night sky. This seems to match with the above linked article. Here is a small excerpt from it:
This also offers additional valid explanation as to why the quality level of images suddenly slipped.
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2 Dr__House 2011-09-06
The orbit viewer doesn't appear to be loading properly. Adblock sees it and provides a block button so I know its there, it simply doesn't load up.
If I'm not mistaken though, this:
Indicates that the last observation that added to any estimates from them was from august 2nd so its completely possible that it will in fact be gone until September 23rd.
In addition, this article from mid-august provides legitimate explanation as to why observations in high resolution got dipped on september 1st.
So this is another article confirming the reappearance on the 23rd. Not only that but it also provides more explanation (though that was already clearly shown) as to why it dissipated on the 1st.
I'll try that orbit diagram thing again later. Perhaps its just busy right now.
Some more quotes from the above mentioned article.
1 FacedJared 2011-09-06
thank you, good man.
EDIT : Any of your own hypothesis to why they would hide it?
2 jetter10 2011-09-06
my hypothesis: either we did some research along time ago into asteroids and this is actually an artificial, and it's now broken up and there is the equipment unmasked, it could also be lifeform found after disintegrating? some must of been revealed that they don't want us to know...
1 boldtu 2011-09-06
thanks
5 ronintetsuro 2011-09-06
This is well worth the watch on what theorists believe Elenin might be. I found it in the last thread, and ended up watching the whole thing through. Presents the info without being hysterical.
9 [deleted] 2011-09-06
What's the big deal about Elenin?
All I have read about it is some threads on ATS that some people (maybe just two) mentioned having nightmares involving a date around the time when Elenin was going to go by earth.
I don't think that's enough to get alarmed about. Am I missing anything?
8 tttt0tttt 2011-09-06
The human race has been freaking out over comets for thousands of years. They were believed to herald upheavals of society, and were taken as fell portents, particularly regarding the lives and future prosperity of kings and other rulers. They had little or no bearing on the lives of ordinary folk, except in a secondary way (if a war is made on a ruler, the people under him suffer).
When a comet appeared during the reign of Queen Elizabeth the First, she was advised by some of her advisors not to look at it. The fear was that a ray from the comet would blight her life (all astrological objects were believed to send down rays to the earth that affected human lives). She defied them and looked at the comet anyway, and had a long and prosperous reign.
The comet craze of the present moment is tied in with the 2012 false prophecy of the Mayan calendar, which is (wrongly) supposed to predict the end of the world in 2012. Once we get past that year, much of the present apocalyptic nuttiness we see around us will fade away ... until the next doomsday.
3 phidel_kashflow 2011-09-06
I usually have one question for the people who request I 'Look up Hercolubus... I am convinced the end of the world is near...' and that is; If it is, what does it matter? What are you going to do about it?
9 MalcolmY 2011-09-06
Why would they hide it?
7 Byahhhhh 2011-09-06
Few will upvote Elenin post, but not me. Good research friend!
0 dreamslaughter 2011-09-06
Update at top.
7 crackiswhackexcept 2011-09-06
congratulations on having one of the more sane posts about elenin i've seen.
i still don't think there's anything to it, but we've only got 5 days to wait, huh? if nothing happens on The Anniversary we'll know that elenin was just more smoke and mirrors to keep people busy and scared instead of fighting imperial capitalism.
6 1ndigoo 2011-09-06
Good research! Must say, I am keeping a skeptical eye with elenin, but this is an interesting new twist to the saga.
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6 someauthor 2011-09-06
FTFY
3 redawn 2011-09-06
11.9.11 ironic.
2 jarcoreta 2011-09-06
What am I watching at in that image?
2 [deleted] 2011-09-06
Space isn't 2D, if you see this from another angle it isn't anywhere near as worrying
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1 WarlordFred 2011-09-06
Asteroid 2011 OD18 came within 0.4 lunar distances from the earth on July 28th. 2005 YU55 (the asteroid pictured) will pass within double that distance.
Edit: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ca/ for all your NEO needs.
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2 WarlordFred 2011-09-06
NASA is keeping an eye on all asteroids that could get a little bit close to Earth. FEMA has nothing to do with asteroids until NASA tells them they should have something to do with asteroids.
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5 giothegreek 2011-09-06
C/2010 X1 Elenin 8h magnitude and steady- in process of disintegrating. Will not survive perihelion. Low western evening sky.
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3 giothegreek 2011-09-06
That looks like a healthy comet to me ... shit. Not that I am an expert, but it looks nothing like the broken up ones in the photos you sent.
5 TeddyJackEddy 2011-09-06
The only source I've found for spawning a belief that it's self-destructed is an erroneous headline on the original Sky & Telescope
articleblog entry. Specifically, reports are that it's behavior (sudden brightening and elongating of the nucleus) is similar to other comets that broke up at or near perihelion.5 Magnora 2011-09-06
For people like me who have no clue what is going on, Elenin is a comet. A comet.
9 somafp 2011-09-06
NO, it is a pyramid and it will land in Brazil!
/Tinfoil ARMOR.
0 dreamslaughter 2011-09-06
Update at top.
4 justinxduff 2011-09-06
I have spoken to physics professors from my institute and other surrounding institutes. They all found it absurd that Elenin, or other celestial body, could have enough mass to cause any problems AND be in the inner solar system. If something as massive as Jupiter was inside the inner solar system we would be seeing severely altered orbits of all planets...especially since Elenin is getting so close to its perihelion.
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0 Veltan 2011-09-06
If all you can do to refute someone is to call them a shill, maybe you should take a close look at your own objectivity. :/
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0 Veltan 2011-09-06
Yeah, but why is it a "talking point" or a "means of disinformation"? I honestly want to know, I'm not trying to be contrary. Just seems to me that rhetoric is the enemy of truth.
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0 Veltan 2011-09-06
Okay, that makes a little more sense.
I'm still not sure that makes him a shill, though. I figure you could have said something like what you just did to me, and kept things more civil.
0 justinxduff 2011-09-06
Oh calm your britches! I just decided to skip all the "disinformation" (as you called it) that surrounds all these Elenin conspiracies.
I skipped 2-4.
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2 justinxduff 2011-09-06
It's where it would end up.
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1 justinxduff 2011-09-06
Just expediting the inevitable...that's the plan of my intervention.
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1 justinxduff 2011-09-06
I completely understand but lets be honest here...the only reason you find things about Elenin to be unusual is because of the current "theories" that already exist (like what I mentioned in step 5). If these "theories" never existed then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
1 justinxduff 2011-09-06
Maybe not but you are saying that NASA is hiding something, what exactly would they be hiding?
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1 justinxduff 2011-09-06
I'm not criticizing, I'm just simply asking what could they be hiding =)
3 Soupstorm 2011-09-06
"lol elenin", but I'll be damned if this isn't ever so slightly compelling.
-1 dreamslaughter 2011-09-06
Update at top.
3 supnigz 2011-09-06
How do you read these pictures? Mercury is moving right to left while Elenin is moving bottom to top? What does that mean? How can you tell from these pictures it's coming to earth o_o
5 bikemaul 2011-09-06
He never said it was coming to earth. To answer your question comets can enter the inner solar system from any direction.
3 Nobody_special 2011-09-06
Thank you for explaining this so well for the layman.
3 Rnad 2011-09-06
elenin sounds suspiciously like alien. just saying.
2 [deleted] 2011-09-06
NASA= Never A Straight Answer
2 phidel_kashflow 2011-09-06
Considering it's a -60 year old agency that continually launches satellites further, with better tech, a straight answer isn't always easy when we're observing phenomena or bodies for the first time.
Thats the straight answer.
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2 phidel_kashflow 2011-09-06
Cool, tx.
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2 Social_Experiment 2011-09-06
Do we know if any third party (not nasa) sites will be able to view it first, or at the same time as Nasa?
Or in other words, do we know who to watch next for strange happenings.
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2 Social_Experiment 2011-09-06
Is it possible to spot using a ground site?
1 Lingenfelter 2011-09-06
The Coming Of Raptor Jesus & Dissecting the Paranormal Hysteria Of Comet Elenin http://www.examiner.com/paranormal-in-panama-city/the-coming-of-raptor-jesus-dissecting-the-paranormal-hysteria-of-comet-elenin
for some reason ive alway issue posting link on reddit :s
0 PoppyCokc 2011-09-06
does this have anything to do with the abnormally hightide an rough surf along the coast of southern california
6 f33dback 2011-09-06
Thats due to the arctic storm that hit NZ
-1 g_sack 2011-09-06
ALIENS!
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4 Social_Experiment 2011-09-06
I got a good laugh out of that. Good stuff!
2 Swinly 2011-09-06
ALIENINS!!!
-2 RPL79 2011-09-06
I dont understand your fancy space talk.
10 Dr__House 2011-09-06
Satellites are always on the move on an orbital path. This same adjustment was also visible on august 1st-8th 2011.
There is actual information out there on elenin from actual scientists. There is no conspiracy around elenin. Its just garbage.
5 TeddyJackEddy 2011-09-06
The only source I've found for spawning a belief that it's self-destructed is an erroneous headline on the original Sky & Telescope
articleblog entry. Specifically, reports are that it's behavior (sudden brightening and elongating of the nucleus) is similar to other comets that broke up at or near perihelion.2 WarlordFred 2011-09-06
NASA is keeping an eye on all asteroids that could get a little bit close to Earth. FEMA has nothing to do with asteroids until NASA tells them they should have something to do with asteroids.
2 Dr__House 2011-09-06
The orbit viewer doesn't appear to be loading properly. Adblock sees it and provides a block button so I know its there, it simply doesn't load up.
If I'm not mistaken though, this:
Indicates that the last observation that added to any estimates from them was from august 2nd so its completely possible that it will in fact be gone until September 23rd.
In addition, this article from mid-august provides legitimate explanation as to why observations in high resolution got dipped on september 1st.
So this is another article confirming the reappearance on the 23rd. Not only that but it also provides more explanation (though that was already clearly shown) as to why it dissipated on the 1st.
I'll try that orbit diagram thing again later. Perhaps its just busy right now.
Some more quotes from the above mentioned article.