Whats with all this Gaddafi Love? Why does *EVERYTHING* have to be a conspiracy?
0 2011-11-13 by [deleted]
Is it annoying anyone else that ANY time there is ANY event going on in the world, 90% of this subreddit simply refuses the simple answer in favour of an overly complicated theory?
All of a sudden most of this subreddit seems to think Gaddafi was some sort of saint killed by the US for trying to expose secrets or some stupid shit. I've seen questions asking for proof that he was brutal and unfair, others saying he didn't deserve to be removed and it was a conspiracy for oil or some stupid shit
I've been asked for proof that his troops shot on protesters. DO YOU PEOPLE NOT KEEP UP WITH ANY NEWS?
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-hDHa0QRn1I
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DyVV3CHow6Ng
These are civilian uploads to youtube. And for some reason everything the press says has to be 100% made up according to this subreddit, so I won't post any news reports detailing civilian executions. Don't forget the warehouse where they found protestors and fighters massacred. Lets just throw all his broadcasts saying to kill the rebels like rats and that they would not spare a single one. I'm also sure that the media just made up the fact that he was in power for over 30 FUCKING YEARS
No, suddenly this subreddit fucking loves this man. Suddenly he was a saint, was fair to his people and EVERYONE who has replied to my comments demands proof that he was an unfair dictator.
You're right, r/conspiracy. You are all smarter than me and everyone else and the "mainstream media" because you're in on this great conspiracy and you know that Gaddafi was a great person
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TL;DR
I know most of this subreddit would look for a tldr since that is what most of you do when looking for "facts". Either read the whole thing or don't comment
52 comments
8 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Two things the "rebels" immediately established:
1) A Rothschild Zionist Central Bank, and
2) A Rockefeller Zionist State Oil Company.
If that doesn't raise red flags, you aren't paying attention.
-5 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
Your "Rockefeller Zionist" wingnuttery aside, OF COURSE the first thing they did was set up a new state bank and oil company. They needed money and credibility for their revolution, and they needed to deny it to Gaddafi. What were you expecting them to do? Drum circles?
4 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Oh, look... It's RogerStrong, the notorious "label, mock, and ridicule" troll of r/conspiracy. Your reputation precedes you. How absolutely quaint of you to crawl out from under the baseboards to greet me on my first day here. I'd call you a reptilian, but you're more of an insect... tiny, and insignificant.
0 [deleted] 2011-11-13
This is an example of a stupid argument
Rest of r/conspiracy, please make sure your posts never resemble this in any way
1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Yes. RogerStrong's ad hominem comedy routine was pretty stupid. I agree.
0 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
Translation: I publicly disagreed with some of his endless wingnuttery.
1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Oh, is that what you did? I thought you started your comment with an ad hominem attack and proceeded from there into a stand up comedy routine. All a matter of perspective.
Insect.
0 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
I called your claim of Arabs setting up "Rothschild Zionist" banks and oil companies wingnutty. That's not a "ad hominem attack"; that's stating the obvious.
If you disagree, kindly explain the differences between a "Rothschild Zionist" bank and a NON-"Rothschild Zionist" bank. Or the difference between a "Rothschild Zionist" State Oil Company and a NON-"Rothschild Zionist" State Oil Company
-1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
First, identify yourself. Which species are you? I need to know which dialect to use to communicate with you.
2 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
Siince you're David Icke, you'll no doubt assume that I'm a shape-shifting reptile overlord from outer space regardless of what I say.
2 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Some of the people on here are seriously crazy, eh?
How do you debate someone who accuses you of being a reptile?
5 cojoco 2011-11-13
Great way to engage your audience!
Downvoted.
Bullshit.
He was a dictator killed for oil, and because he attempted to create a new African monetary union.
-1 syringistic 2011-11-13
No, he was killed because his people rebelled against him, and European nations feared a massive wave of refugees from a prolonged civil war.
1 kevans2 2011-11-13
There was over 1000,000 pro gadaffi protesters in Tripoli in June. A small of his people who were backed by the west killed him.
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
Libya's got 6.5M people. "a small" isn't really the answer here. It was the same popular uprising that is happening all over the Middle East.
2 kevans2 2011-11-13
Except western intelligence has been wanting to take him out since 1996 and made use of the opportunity. It had nothing to do with his people rising up. Lybia went from being one of the poorest countries in the world to the highest standard of living on the continent. Lybia was a functioning direct democracy not a dictatorship.Egypt was an actual revolution, lybia was a coupe.
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
First off, there were attempts on his life by western countries in the mid-80s. Noone is denying that.
No one is denying that it had one of the best standards of living in Africa. With the world's 10th largest oil reserves, it should have.
However, why are you retarded enough to state that it was a functioning direct democracy considering Gaddafi took power in a coup detat and was a dictator for 35 years? Where the fuck is that a democracy?
-2 [deleted] 2011-11-13
No, the simple answer is never allowed on this subreddit. You should know better
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
So we should conjure up a complicated answer because it fits better?
-3 [deleted] 2011-11-13
The more outlandish your theory is the better. Try to relate everything to 9/11 and zionists for extra points
1 syringistic 2011-11-13
Don't forget chemtrails!
1 syringistic 2011-11-13
Errr sorry, I originally didn't notice that you were the OP and didn't pick up on the sarcasm in that previous post.
-1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Yes, I really give a lot of fucks. This is furthering my point, you base your opinions on rhetoric
4 cojoco 2011-11-13
I don't understand where this is coming from.
-1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
You downvoted since I didn't "engage the audience". ie Didn't fit your viewpoint
Which says a lot about how you form opinions and read articles/news
3 cojoco 2011-11-13
Now you're just being silly.
Insulting your audience is in no way equivalent to not fitting their viewpoint.
If you want to challenge the status quo, you're better off keeping a civil tongue in your head.
0 [deleted] 2011-11-13
You have proven me wrong
I'll edit my post
-3 syringistic 2011-11-13
No, he was killed because his people rebelled against him, and European nations feared a massive wave of refugees from a prolonged civil war.
1 cojoco 2011-11-13
Have you got a ref for that?
First I've heard of it.
And anyway, who joins a war to stop the flow of refugees?
-1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
Anyone wanting to stop the flow of refugees? Stop the war, stop the flow
Europe is close enough to the area to have a vested interest in its stability
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
Seriously, people should look at the statements released by Italy and France right before NATO attacked Libya.
4 jwgmac 2011-11-13
Notorious 1994, you state that those that opposed the removal of Gaddafi did so because we believe there was" a conspiracy for oil or some stupid shit." The reasons for my objections are somewhat deeper than "oil or some stupid shit." The main reason Gadaffi was deposed and murdered is that he had plans tointroduce the gold dinar, a single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the U.S. dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth. The Dinar would have been backed 100% by gold, thus destroying the dollar's usability and credibility in Africa and the Middle East. It is surely no coincidence that Iraq’s prior leader, Saddam Hussein, was trying to do the same thing just prior to U.S. invasion for all of those “weapons of mass destruction.”
Human Rights Watch ranked Libya at 58 on it latest world report. When referring to this ranking by HRW one must keep in mind that a higher number is a better number. Notorious 1994, would you care to guess who has the dubious distinction of being number 1? If you guessed the United States of America, you'd be correct. In fact, of all the nations in Africa, Libya outranked EVERY single other nation on the continent. Also, the United Nations was preparing to bestow an award on the "brutal dictator" Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, for its achievements in the area of human rights. Lastly, Libya was a member of the UN Human Rights panel.
Notorious 1994, since you seem to be a fan of visual aids, I offer the following. This video shows what was reported by several news agencies to be over 1 million Libyans gathered in SUPPORT of Gadaffi. That would be 1 million out of a nation of 6 million Libyans.
2 Perignis 2011-11-13
Why? Every NATO mission in the past while seems to be about oil, frankly makes me wonder what is going on. It would be naive to say that the U.S finds all the evil in the world and randomly selects a country to be freed from their shackles.
Upvoted for discussion.
2 syringistic 2011-11-13
Get your facts right. US didn't lead that fight.
1 syringistic 2011-11-13
Get your facts right. US didn't lead that fight.
-1 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
There's not a lot of oil in Bosnia or Kosovo or Afghanistan. The Somali pirates don't have much either.
NATO countries had no problem buying oil from Gaddafi. the new regime will still be part of OPEC.
0 cojoco 2011-11-13
Oh yeah, that one's about Opium.
0 RogerStrong 2011-11-13
Riiiiiiight.
1 fugly2 2011-11-13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMK35W05kJI
0 tr3n7y 2011-11-13
Did you think we forgot what happened already? That you guys can just waltz in here and dictate propaganda to the fluoride impaired or something? Yeah, I know; just testing the water, gotta follow orders and such. Well ram this up your chain of command: 911 called and said it's going to be a long fucking wait.
-2 [deleted] 2011-11-13
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-1 tr3n7y 2011-11-13
That's just the liberal media lying to you, it's actually liberty, democracy, and (most of all) free markets being established over there, now that the nasty old bogey man is gone. It's true because the president said so.
-3 syringistic 2011-11-13
I share your sentiment. I think a lot of people have an immature need to provide "deeper" explanations for why things happen the way they do. These same people see inconsistencies in the status quo explanations of the world as proof that they are right.
Is everything the media telling us about Libya correct? Probably not. Can a high schooler accessing the internet from his mom's basement come up with a better explanation for why things happen the way they do? Definitely not.
2 cojoco 2011-11-13
So why do you share Notorious1994's sentiment?
It's obvious we're being lied to; why shouldn't we try to find the truth?
0 [deleted] 2011-11-13
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-1 syringistic 2011-11-13
His sentiment isn't "let's accept everything at face value". His sentiment is "I am tired of idiots coming up with deluded theories."
It's one thing to "find the truth". It's another thing when we start loving a dictator simply because our government attacked his country. The latter is paranoia.
1 [deleted] 2011-11-13
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-1 syringistic 2011-11-13
You got doubles as well.
0 cojoco 2011-11-13
He's slinging mud without providing any context.
I haven't noticed much Gaddafi love around here.
It's obvious that the MSM has been feeding us all a load of horse shit, but that's not the same thing as loving Gaddafi.
While I doubt that this is even true, I have to ask: why do you see that loving someone is paranoia?
???
-1 syringistic 2011-11-13
1) That's just what his sentiment is. And I agree with it.
2) It's paranoia because people are so angry with the American government at this point that they jump to a conclusion any leader deposed by the American government was killed because of some occult reason.
1 cojoco 2011-11-13
Stop it with the nonsensical attacks.
There are very good reasons for Gaddafi to be attacked, and they're much the same reasons as for Saddam to be attacked.
"Installing democracy" is not on the list.
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
Are you too fucking stupid to understand what I am saying?
1 cojoco 2011-11-13
Maybe you're just not very good at expressing yourself.
But I've never seen an "occult reason" posited for Gaddafi's assassination.
0 syringistic 2011-11-13
Really? Because all these "he was killed for oil" or "he was killed because he tried to start a new monetary union" explanations seem pretty retarded.
2 cojoco 2011-11-13
Now we see where you're coming from.
Is that the best you've got?
"Going after oil seems a bit retarded?"
-1 syringistic 2011-11-13
You got doubles as well.