There are just a few things that seem very odd to me. The private detective Courtney hired is the very person who thinks Kurt was murdered. What did he have to gain from making this up? People think he's a crackpot now. The "suicide" note. How the handwriting at the end was so different. How there was no mention of death before that part. He shot himself with a shotgun, using his toe? The amount of heroin in his body would have left him incapacitated, not hysterical and suicidal. The fact that Courtney had so much to gain from Kurt's death, her obsession with his will, the fact that she's just a crazy, drug riddled bitch to begin with. Thoughts? I would be interested in any of these points being rebutted or supported.

Also, after watching several interviews with Kurt on YouTube, he said his stomach pains had been gone for over a year, thanks to some new medicine he was taking. That pain seemed to be the main reason he considered suicide and drugs in the first place. In the interviews he mentioned a few times how he would like to be less responsible for writing all of Nirvana's songs and how he didn't want Nirvana to last much longer. Which lends credit to Grant's theory on the note being about Nirvana breaking up, not suicide.

Can you provide more details? It's been a few years since I read about this.

What are you suggesting this means?

Makes you wonder, right? I was thoroughly pissed off after reading JusticeforKurt.com. At the very least the case should be reopened and a proper investigation should be done. The rush job the Seattle P.D. did is unacceptable.

Not to mention El Duce passed a lie detector test on the subject, which was administered by a world renowned expert.

Edit: Source: http://justiceforkurt.com/investigation/eldon_hoke.shtml

Wow. I've never heard that one before. It's pretty far out there, but interesting. I'm not sure how much you really believe it, but I will discuss it. The facial overlay was pretty crazy, but Kurt had a butt-chin. Unless he got some pretty extensive plastic surgery, it's not him. Plus, the newer Weezer albums suck. Kurt is too talented for that. Also, why would it make sense to fake your own death just to become a giant rock star again under a different name? Weezer has sold out much more than Nirvana ever did.

In the interest of a fair and balanced argument, I would like to share a couple people's opinions on how Kurt did indeed commit suicide. I actually found these posts on the IMDB message board for "Kurt & Courtney". I must say, they're pretty convincing.

One: The crap that loser Grant says about Courtney was ridiculous. That she killed him and he was afraid of her and they were going to divorce (something he hated his parents for doing). His suicide note reads "I have a GODDESS of a wife who bleeds EMPATHY", and then goes on about how he needs more empathy. Sure doesn't sound like someone he was afraid of and would murder him, and I doubt he'd refer to her as a GODDESS if he was planning to dump her.. If she really tried to kill him in Rome, why call the police and possibly put herself at risk? Why not let him die, then call?

Grants senario: Courtney arranged a drug intervention, somehow knowing Kurt would agree to go to a clinic, knew he would break out, knew he'd come back where people would be looking for him, knew he'd go to the greenhouse and knew he'd be writing something that could be misinterpreted as a suicide note. Or does he think the killers just got lucky. They came and said, "ah ha! There you are Kurt. We were just waiting for you to bust out of a drug clinic, so it would look like you were on the run and had a reason to kill yourself. What's this? You're writing a note saying you're divorcing you're wife and leaving Seattle, the music business and everything else, except commit suicide? Wow, what a stroke of luck! Now we can add a few lines at the bottom that will make it look like a suicide note. Man, we were lucky to find you here writing the particular note we need. Now lie down please, and don't struggle. We're going to overdose you on heroin then blow you're head off so it'll look like you killed yourself. They'll never find out there was heroin in you. I mean who does autopsies in Seattle?"

Two: (This person confuses heroin for morphine, but her argument is still strong) I can't believe the amount of biased sites fooling their readers about Kurt's death. There's no proof out there that points to murder. I'll explain:

LEVEL OF MORPHINE IN KURT'S BLOOD Kurt's autopsy was never made public, it's illegal. The toxicology report is private and only Kurt's family is allowed to ask for copies. Kurt's wife, father, mother, sister, half-siblings, step mother and step siblings believe Kurt commited suicide, and these people have access to the autopsy report.

1.52 mg/l of morphine in blood? That's what The Seattle Post Intelligencer printed it citing "a source". Who is the source? We don't know. Did the source exist or just a made up story to sell copies? Who knows. Was the source right? The newspaper wasn't shown anything, just words from "a misterious source". The Kurt had three times the lethal dose is nonsensical because nobody knows what the amount of morphine in his blood was.

The theory of Kurt being sedated with diazepam in order to be murdered is nuts too: Kurt was in rehab and his doctor says he was given Valium there (which is diazepam). This drug stays for days in the system (5 days). Last time Kurt was given valium was April 1st, he died April 5th (do the math).

LACK OF FINGERPRINTS? There were fingerprints at the scene. From official reports: - shell: a latent print card was lifted - casing: a latent print card was lifted - red print: no legible prints - shotgun: 4 cards of latent prints were lifted

So 6 cards of prints were lifted from the scene.

Authorities explained the prints were not legible because of excessive sweat (common in suicide cases because the victim gets really nervous) and because of the movement the shotgun makes when fired (the friction makes the prints illegible).

SUICIDE NOTE NOT WRITTEN BY KURT? No proof at all. The real note was examined by a forensic document examiner of the Washington State Patrol. She determined that "The note, item 1, was written by Kurt Cobain". She's the only person in the entire world who has examined the real note. Other experts were given photocopies of a fax, really bad quality. They said the last lines might have been written by a different person but they needed the real note (it's the only way to know how the traces were done).

We don't know when the note was written. What if Kurt wrote the body of the note April 2nd and added the first and last lines April 5th while on drugs? It's known that people under the influence can't write properly (a drunk person trying to open a door with a key rings a bell, right?).

Links that proof I don't lie: Shotgun fingerprint analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/shotgun_prints_3 .gif Pen, shells and casing fingerprint analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/spd_fingerprint_ analysis_pen_gun_1.gif Handwriting analysis: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/investigation/documents/handwriting_resu lts.gif Transcript of The Seattle Post Intelligencer: http://www.justiceforkurt.com/coverage/newspapers/seattle_post.shtml Instructions to ask for a copy of the autopsy report: http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/examiner.aspx

This is the thing believers and non believers of the theory alike agree upon. The investigation was shoddy and rushed. To not even attempt to take prints the day the body was found was ridiculous. The bottom line is there were inconsistencies and mistakes made. I don't believe the case will ever be re opened, unfortunately. Although mistakes were made, Tom Grant nor anyone else has produced the necessary solid evidence of murder it would take to reopen it (lie detector tests are not admissible evidence)... As much as I want to believe the conspiracy, all that's been offered is hear-say and opinion.

Hmm. I just figured this would be the one subreddit where people might hear me out and not call me crazy.

Fuck...